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Originally Posted by bostonirish1326 View Post

I searched all the troubleshooting posts, and I am still stuck on why my Blu-Ray player won't play through my receiver via HDMI. My HDMI cable/tv connection plays fine and I have checked the Blu-ray player using the other inputs to no avail, and have ruled out the HDMI cable itself. The weird thing is it plays the audio when the tv imput is switched to another empty/vacant source. Also on initial startup of the Blu-ray it shows the Sony and Blu-ray logos, then the screen goes black.
I have two HDMI inputs on my tv, so I'm lucky that I can still connect it directly to the other input of my tv and will have to get an optical cable for connecting audio to my receiver.
Does anybody know of any similar issues and fixes? I'm thinking its a setting within my Blu-Ray player, but I've tried changing just about every setting with no luck.

Did you set the "Deep Color Output" on the Sony BDP to OFF? Ensure the BDP is firmware updated?
post #302 of 10469
I have the Denon 1913, and my TV is a Sony HD and the Blu-Ray player is a Sony BDP-S590.
I think I may have tried shutting the "deep color" to off already, but will try it again. And yes the firmware was updated. Thanks for the help so far. I will reply if i figure it out.
post #303 of 10469
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Originally Posted by bkucera View Post

One of the features of the xx13 AVRs is conversion to 1080p/24Hz. The manual for the 2312ci implies that the receiver will pass a 1080p/24 signal through when the connected display supports 1080p/24. So that means I can watch a bluray at 1080p/24, right?

Why is it important to be able to convert to 1080p/24, then?

as Chris hints it's really a fairly useless feature.

as you noted a source that is "native" 1080p/24 (like a blu-ray film) will simply pass through untouched at 1080p/24, so the feature is irrelevant in this case.

the only use would be to convert something else to 1080p/24, which you really do NOT want to do unless you *know* it was originally a good film source and was encoded via 3:2 telecine in an interlaced format. So it MIGHT be useful with a film on regular DVD (480i) or possible a 1080i film broadcast on a movie channel like HBO, if your display will do a much better job with a "clean" 1080p/24 input.... but the chance of this actually being helpful and/or you even noticing the difference is pretty darn slim.
post #304 of 10469
^^^

yup... "fairly useless" is being generous... more people get themselves into trouble with it than help themselves with it (i.e. trying to apply it to a non-film source, or to poorly flagged ones, or to ones with mixed cadences)...

although when displays capable of accepting 24fps (and actually doing something "good" with it), you would have thought it was the best thing since sliced bread... all of a sudden, telecine judder became the most evil thing in the world when as noted earlier, it's likely that damn few had even ever heard of it, let alone noticed it...
post #305 of 10469
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post


Another way to use Zone 2 without adding speakers to another room, is by using wireless headphones. You can have something playing in the main zone (ie someone watching a movie) while using Zone 2 (via wireless headphones) to listen to internet radio, Pandora, etc.
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post


Yes to another location and no to only headphones, just as long as you've got a "powered" speaker. Something like this would work just as well. The Zone 2 preouts are connected to a wireless transmitter (via 3.5mm to RCA cable in the case of the Amazon setup) which sends the audio to the wireless speaker/headphones. I use Sennheiser RS-140 (discontinued), however, they make a good line of wireless headphones.

jd,

Thanks a ton for posting this as I would never have considered the possibility. As a result I just got my first set of headphones since my college days many years ago. Actually, my wife is probably the main one to thank you as she is now able to watch TV using our Denon 1911 in the bedroom while I stream music over my new Sennheisers via a Squeezebox.
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Yup. Works like a charm. smile.gif
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I was looking to get the Denon 2112ci but now it's discontinued. With the new models coming out, all the xx12 are on sale (if they're still available). I'm looking to get the 2312ci since it's only $600 now but also looking at the xx13 series. It seems like a no brainer that the old 2312 would be better then the new 2113 but wanted to double check what everyone's thoughts were.
post #308 of 10469
^^
Depends on what features you require and whether you want a feature the 2113CI offers that the 2312CI does not.
post #309 of 10469
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Originally Posted by rancineb View Post

I was looking to get the Denon 2112ci but now it's discontinued. With the new models coming out, all the xx12 are on sale (if they're still available). I'm looking to get the 2312ci since it's only $600 now but also looking at the xx13 series. It seems like a no brainer that the old 2312 would be better then the new 2113 but wanted to double check what everyone's thoughts were.

And you can knock off a C-note on that cost for a 2312 if you call around (J&R).
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Originally Posted by BeechTom View Post

And you can knock off a C-note on that cost for a 2312 if you call around (J&R).

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Originally Posted by rancineb View Post

I was looking to get the Denon 2112ci but now it's discontinued. With the new models coming out, all the xx12 are on sale (if they're still available). I'm looking to get the 2312ci since it's only $600 now but also looking at the xx13 series. It seems like a no brainer that the old 2312 would be better then the new 2113 but wanted to double check what everyone's thoughts were.
Onecall also list them for less than 6 bills, and as far as the 'no-brainer' part, I agree with you wholeheartedly!
post #311 of 10469
Does anyone know where I might find a Denon 1713 in Canada (preferably from an online retailer)? The best I've done so far is found 1613's available from bestbuy.ca but can't seem to track down the 1713 anywhere in Canada.
post #312 of 10469
Guys need your help,

should I pick up 2312CI instead of 2313CI?
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Originally Posted by NewHT View Post

Guys need your help,

should I pick up 2312CI instead of 2313CI?

so I take it you didn't read the informative posts at the beginning of this thread, where you can find a link to a detailed comparison of the two models you asked about? wink.gif
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Originally Posted by rancineb View Post

I was looking to get the Denon 2112ci but now it's discontinued. With the new models coming out, all the xx12 are on sale (if they're still available). I'm looking to get the 2312ci since it's only $600 now but also looking at the xx13 series. It seems like a no brainer that the old 2312 would be better then the new 2113 but wanted to double check what everyone's thoughts were.

Here's a comparison of the 2312ci vs. the newer 2113ci... given the current discounts I would probably go with the 2312ci unless you REALLY wanted independent AirPlay to Zone 2...

LINK TO DENON SPEC SHEET COMPARISON

The same:

* Both have the Audyssey MultEQ XT + Dyn EQ/Vol
* Both have "advanced GUI" and analog>HDMI video conversion
* Both have front panel HDMI, USB and composite inputs
* Both have RS-232 and room-to-room IR jacks
* Both have networking with Airplay support etc. (although xx13 models drop Rhapsody / Napster)
* Same DAC's and ADC and DSP chips
* Both have Zone 2 pre-outs


2312ci advantages over 2112ci:

* Rated at 105 w/ch instead of 95 w/ch, and over 3 lbs heavier
* Significantly greater back panel connectivity:
--- One extra rear HDMI input (6 instead of 5)
--- 4 digital audio inputs (2 optical + 2 coax) instead of 2
--- 2 component video inputs + 1 output (only 1 input and no output on 2113ci)
--- 2 extra analog RCA audio inputs, 2 S-video inputs, and an extra composite video input + output
--- An analog RCA rec-out line level output
--- Dual subwoofer pre-outs
--- 12v trigger output
--- iPod "Dock" input with control port (although obsoleted by Airplay + USB options)
* More flexible Zone 2 capabilities:
--- Zone 2 pre-outs can be set to "fixed" or "variable" output (fixed only on the 21xx level)
--- Zone 2 has tone adjustments for bass/treble
--- Zone 2 speakers can be set with a Hi-pass Filter (HPF) if they can't handle deep bass
--- Zone 2 speakers can be switched between Stereo and Mono
* AM radio tuner


2113ci gains vs. 2312ci:

* 4k video scaling
* AirPlay independent to Zone 2
* SiriusXM and Spotify (coming via firmware update later this summer)
* 2" shallower chassis depth
* Plus the general xx13 changes:
--- addition of "Auto Standby" feature
--- new simplified remote (although cannot control other devices) with INFO button for on-screen status display
--- new cosmetics
--- new Denon Remote App Ver 3.0 with XX13 model unique features
post #315 of 10469
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

so I take it you didn't read the informative posts at the beginning of this thread, where you can find a link to a detailed comparison of the two models you asked about? wink.gif

No, I didn't:)

That's why I'm asking experts...do you have comparison chart for 2312CI and 3312CI?

so if you have to pick up for yourself, which one would you pick up considering you need all the high-end features. - 2312 or 2313 or 3312CI?

Is Electronics Expo authorized and reputed dealer?
Edited by NewHT - 6/7/12 at 1:47pm
post #316 of 10469
^^^

if you "need" all the "high end features", you want a 4311...
post #317 of 10469
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Originally Posted by NewHT View Post

No, I didn't:)
That's why I'm asking experts...do you have comparison chart for 2312CI and 3312CI?
so if you have to pick up for yourself, which one would you pick up considering you need all the high-end features. - 2312 or 2313 or 3312CI?
Is Electronics Expo authorized and reputed dealer?

Again, you really should review the first few posts in both the XX12 and this XX13 Owner's thread. Also, Electronics Expo is authorized and one of the most referred resellers on this forum in these Denon threads.
post #318 of 10469
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Originally Posted by NewHT View Post

No, I didn't:)
That's why I'm asking experts...do you have comparison chart for 2312CI and 3312CI?
so if you have to pick up for yourself, which one would you pick up considering you need all the high-end features. - 2312 or 2313 or 3312CI?
Is Electronics Expo authorized and reputed dealer?

I went 3312 over the 2312...no brainer esp given costs and discounts now. Make sure you use coupon code @ EE.

the 4311 showed up and i refused @ the door...was weird, but i turned it away. still waiting for my 3312.
post #319 of 10469
I have a 4311CI, is there any good reason not to suggest that someone needing to upgrade their current AVR not go to a 4311? The 4311 more than meets my needs, especially with XT32 and the dual sub calibration. It took quite awhile to realize what the 4311 was capable of, given the density of the manual and its cryptographic text for someone seeing it the first time.
post #320 of 10469
^^^

nope... if they have 13 bens in their wallet and are looking to spend it, there's not a lot of doubt what the "best buy" is when it comes to avrs that are available today.... i've said this before, the 4311 isn't just the "best buy" right now, it is in the hall of fame of best buys, period (and i've had more than a few avrs/pre-pros pass through my room redface.gif )...

however, 13 bens still isn't chump change... and unless someone already has big boy subs (at the very least) and "better than adequate speakers", they might be better served with a much more modestly priced avr and putting their available funds towards noisemakers...

ymmv... but imo/ime, "speakers/subs" first is a pretty good motto to live by... smile.gif
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600 is a big diff between 3312 and 4311... And yeah I have less than adequate speakers, one sub. I don't listen at deafening reference volumes either. So to me I'd rather keep the 600 but still get kick ass features and more than enough wattage. Few years from now I can upgrade and still not regret it since the close out price on the 3312 is better than the lower models mark price.
post #322 of 10469
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Originally Posted by swizzchard View Post

I went 3312 over the 2312...no brainer esp given costs and discounts now. Make sure you use coupon code @ EE.
the 4311 showed up and i refused @ the door...was weird, but i turned it away. still waiting for my 3312.

Yes, I'm also leaning towards 3312. Currently I have Polk Audio speakers Monitor40, Monitor30, CS2 and Energy S10.3 sub. Not sure if I need to upgrade speakers to Energy.

EE charges shipping and tax to WA state:(..I'm trying to have JR match the EE price.
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^
nope... if they have 13 bens in their wallet and are looking to spend it, there's not a lot of doubt what the "best buy" is when it comes to avrs that are available today.... i've said this before, the 4311 isn't just the "best buy" right now, it is in the hall of fame of best buys, period...

I agree, though I am waiting to see what the new 1xxx and 2xxx Onkyo's bring to the table - as well as what the new 4xxx Denon shines forth with because I am a patient person...ok, I lied, it is because I do not yet have enough money to buy a 4311. All my money is going into the dedicated theater build right now. frown.gif
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^^
Keep in mind the new Denon 4520CI will likely cost at least $1000 more than the current 4311CI street price and once the 4311's are gone ... well ... hello refurb. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by NewHT View Post

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Originally Posted by swizzchard View Post

I went 3312 over the 2312...no brainer esp given costs and discounts now. Make sure you use coupon code @ EE.
the 4311 showed up and i refused @ the door...was weird, but i turned it away. still waiting for my 3312.

Yes, I'm also leaning towards 3312. Currently I have Polk Audio speakers Monitor40, Monitor30, CS2 and Energy S10.3 sub. Not sure if I need to upgrade speakers to Energy.

you certainly don't need to "match" your speakers to your subwoofer brand. That said, your speakers are clearly the limiting factor in your setup right now. Polk Monitors are perfectly fine entry-level speakers but if, as in the above example, you are considering spending an extra $600 on 4311 vs. 3312, then that money would be FAR better spent on speaker/subwoofer upgrades. As Chris said, the "noisemakers" are the most important link in the chain.

it really all depends on your overall budget and long-term goals. As you know from scoping the Energy thread there are some great prices on both the RC and Veritas models so that would be a very worthy upgrade, as would a 2nd sub (or just a better sub).
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

thanks for the post! so hopefully staying on topic, it would be great if you (or some other xx13 owner) would confirm the independent Airplay to zone 2 functionality.


1. start up an AirPlay stream

2. activate zone 2 and get the Airplay music going in zone 2

3. switch main zone to a different source

4. does the AirPlay audio continue in zone 2?

bumping this one... can somebody with an xx13 model and a Zone 2 speaker setup please confirm that AirPlay can stream independently to Zone 2? (see step-by-step instructions quoted above)
post #327 of 10469
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^
nope... if they have 13 bens in their wallet and are looking to spend it, there's not a lot of doubt what the "best buy" is when it comes to avrs that are available today.... i've said this before, the 4311 isn't just the "best buy" right now, it is in the hall of fame of best buys, period (and i've had more than a few avrs/pre-pros pass through my room redface.gif )...
however, 13 bens still isn't chump change... and unless someone already has big boy subs (at the very least) and "better than adequate speakers", they might be better served with a much more modestly priced avr and putting their available funds towards noisemakers...
ymmv... but imo/ime, "speakers/subs" first is a pretty good motto to live by... smile.gif

OK, I couldn't think of any good reason not to go with the 4311. It will be used in a 5.2 system that will then be expandable to 7.2 via heights.
post #328 of 10469
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

you certainly don't need to "match" your speakers to your subwoofer brand. That said, your speakers are clearly the limiting factor in your setup right now. Polk Monitors are perfectly fine entry-level speakers but if, as in the above example, you are considering spending an extra $600 on 4311 vs. 3312, then that money would be FAR better spent on speaker/subwoofer upgrades. As Chris said, the "noisemakers" are the most important link in the chain.
it really all depends on your overall budget and long-term goals. As you know from scoping the Energy thread there are some great prices on both the RC and Veritas models so that would be a very worthy upgrade, as would a 2nd sub (or just a better sub).


Yup you are correct.

Since I don't have dedicated ent. room or basement like that I'm going with 3312CI. EE has very good price with coupon:) JR is unable to match the price. Do you know any other auth/reputed online store which do price match? EE charges shipping and sales tax to WA that's the reason I'm holding off on it. Another $100 bucks without any reason:(

I kind of looking at RC setup. I like RC-70 with RC-LCR. Can you let me know how I can get them in Rosenut color? Not fan of black:) btw I do have 2nd S10.3 brand new sub. I bought 2 of them thru newegg. Currently only one is hooked up.

Thanks again!!
post #329 of 10469
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Originally Posted by NewHT View Post

Yup you are correct.
Since I don't have dedicated ent. room or basement like that I'm going with 3312CI. EE has very good price with coupon:) JR is unable to match the price. Do you know any other auth/reputed online store which do price match? EE charges shipping and sales tax to WA that's the reason I'm holding off on it. Another $100 bucks without any reason:(
I kind of looking at RC setup. I like RC-70 with RC-LCR. Can you let me know how I can get them in Rosenut color? Not fan of black:) btw I do have 2nd S10.3 brand new sub. I bought 2 of them thru newegg. Currently only one is hooked up.
Thanks again!!

I love the game of price match between 3 retailers...yeah they are going down on each other quote but not quite there where I want to be:)
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I kind of looking at RC setup. I like RC-70 with RC-LCR. Can you let me know how I can get them in Rosenut color? Not fan of black:)

unfortunately the rosenuts are LOOOONG gone. The RC line was discontinued a couple of years ago, but Vann's and Audiovox/Energy came up with an arrangement where specific models (RC-70, RC-10, RC-LCR) are still produced in black finish for Vann's at very steep discounts compared to their original msrp. But rosenut & cherry finish haven't been for sale in a long, long time.

you can get the newer Veritas models in their glossy rosewood finish, it's a bit redder and of course glossier than the matte rosenut finish from the RC's but by all accounts they are beautiful.
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