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post #3001 of 10457
Okay - answered my own question - its a "Scale" thing (OM p. 32 and 103)
post #3002 of 10457
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Originally Posted by virre View Post

A quite expensive Netgear router, only quality cat 6 cables.
I haven't had any issues with the router so far and have been using it for 1½ years.
All our other devices at home (iPad 1, iPad 3, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, iPhone 5, Dreambox, Samsung TV, two laptops and one desktop) are all connected and working (not at the same time though) through this router.
My desktop PC, which is connected with wire, has also issues to find the receiver through iTunes/Airplay.
But whenever I have looked I have allways been able to find my media server on my PC through the Media Sever input on the receiver. Not sure if i have checked this exactly at the same point when the AirPlay is lost.
A reboot of the receiver does not help. I have even tried to do a soft reset (unplugging the power cable), but I had to wait for about 3-4 minutes before my iPhone found the receiver.
I havn't been able to find a pattern yet.

I'm so behind on this thread so I don't know if you already got an answer for this problem or not. But I figure I share my experience, I have a 1913 model and initially with a dlink -655 router, I also ran into the spotty airplay connection problem. Sometimes it finds it and often times it does not. I have since purchased a new ASUS n66u router, not for the airplay issue, but to extend the coverage at my house, and this has fixed the airplay issue altogether.
post #3003 of 10457
My Denon Denon AVR-2113CI is not detecting my Right Surround (5.1 setup) when running the audyssey setup. I've put new speaker cable in, verified R/B connect correctly. Any suggestions?
post #3004 of 10457
Try swapping the SL/SR speakers and see if you get the same result.
post #3005 of 10457
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Try swapping the SL/SR speakers and see if you get the same result.

I unplugged the SR from teh receiver, and plugged it into SL, and it worked as SL
post #3006 of 10457
Swap the SL speaker wire as well and if no sound, then it's an issue with the AVR. Try resetting the microprocessor (p. 148 OM).
post #3007 of 10457
Should I be connecting everything thru the denon and then the denon to the TV?
post #3008 of 10457
If they work correctly in that configuration, yes, so the AVR becomes the source switcher, although often times the cable/sat box will have HDMI handshake issues which require connecting it directly to the TV with optical to the AVR for surround audio.
post #3009 of 10457
So I am still getting use to the 3313, but I have noticed this thing runs warmer than expect and I not pushing it at all. I have seen the posts on the Coolerguys usb fan, anyone have any opinions or experience using one? Drawing power via usb might seem like it could generate more heat or strain on the power supply. Unfortunately using a smart strip and a 120v fan doesn't look to be a viable option as I am running everything thru a Panamax. Thanks
post #3010 of 10457
The majority of the heat is being generated by the video card so adding a USB fan isn't going to add to the heat.
post #3011 of 10457
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Originally Posted by vfr350 View Post

So I am still getting use to the 3313, but I have noticed this thing runs warmer than expect and I not pushing it at all. I have seen the posts on the Coolerguys usb fan, anyone have any opinions or experience using one? Drawing power via usb might seem like it could generate more heat or strain on the power supply. Unfortunately using a smart strip and a 120v fan doesn't look to be a viable option as I am running everything thru a Panamax. Thanks
As a precursor to purchase of 3313, I moved my 3310 and all other kit out of cramped cabinet and into this:
http://store.atacama-audio.co.uk/products/productdetail/Eris+Eco+5.0+Hi+Fi++with+FREE+ISOLATION+CONE+PACK/part_number=Eris%20Eco%205.0%20Hi%20Fi%20%20with%20FREE%20ISOLATION%20CONE%20PACK/758.2.4.3.108004.0.0.0.0?pp=12&

...as it was intermittently shutting down due to heat, even with fan. After that, no more problems with shut-down of any type.
post #3012 of 10457
The one thing I really miss in my new Denon 2113CI AVR is the switched outlet that my Denon 3808 AVR had. I really wish that feature had been retained in the design.
post #3013 of 10457
Thread Starter 
they dropped the switched outlets several years ago. The problem was that it didn't work well with HDMI-CEC or network standby... when these items are enabled, the receiver is still "on" when it's standby... or, at least certain functions are... so it consumes more power and this kept the triggered outlets powered on, even when the receiver was off, reducing their usefulness.

also, I am willing to bet they got complaints from people plugging their subwoofers into those outlets and frying the receiver...

anyway, there are many switched output "smart" powerstrips that can largely replicate this function.
post #3014 of 10457
or their plasmas... tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by mikey ra View Post

Okay - answered my own question - its a "Scale" thing (OM p. 32 and 103)

note to all new owners who owned denons before... this appears to be the new default for this option...
post #3015 of 10457
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

they dropped the switched outlets several years ago. The problem was that it didn't work well with HDMI-CEC or network standby... when these items are enabled, the receiver is still "on" when it's standby... or, at least certain functions are... so it consumes more power and this kept the triggered outlets powered on, even when the receiver was off, reducing their usefulness.
also, I am willing to bet they got complaints from people plugging their subwoofers into those outlets and frying the receiver...
anyway, there are many switched output "smart" powerstrips that can largely replicate this function.

Thanks for the info. I used the switched outlets on the 3808 AVR to turn on some ambient lights I used behind my television whenever the receiver was used. It was very convenient. I have tried the Smartstrip brand cords for this same concept and they worked horribly - the lights would constantly flicker on and off (tried using the TV and the AVR in the powered spot to no avail). Now its just a matter of remembering to turn the lights off by reaching behind the TV to flick the switch whenever I am done - which I will occasionally fail to remember to do.
post #3016 of 10457
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Originally Posted by Iain- View Post

As a precursor to purchase of 3313, I moved my 3310 and all other kit out of cramped cabinet and into this:
http://store.atacama-audio.co.uk/products/productdetail/Eris+Eco+5.0+Hi+Fi++with+FREE+ISOLATION+CONE+PACK/part_number=Eris%20Eco%205.0%20Hi%20Fi%20%20with%20FREE%20ISOLATION%20CONE%20PACK/758.2.4.3.108004.0.0.0.0?pp=12&
...as it was intermittently shutting down due to heat, even with fan. After that, no more problems with shut-down of any type.

Yeah, i have open front, back, sides (open then 2" on other side) top at least 5" of clearance. I think I may have found something that might work for my setup and not using a smartstrip. Just can't decide on either the Power Supply & Pre-Set Thermal Controller or Power Supply & Programmable Thermal Controller with LED Display.
http://www.coolerguys.com/cabcool1201.html

Temps in the above dead space above was in the 90's, not too bad. I wonder if raising the unit some would promote any better cooler air intake.
post #3017 of 10457
I'm starting to go crazy! mad.gif

May I get the 5.1 using the optical from my PC to the receiver ?
There is something I need to set on the Denon ?
I mean, there are some option like the Multichannel, PLII, Stero, Matrix, etc and I need to know what of this option I need to set in order to have a true 5.1 !

Thank a lot guys!
post #3018 of 10457
Thread Starter 
Sorry dude, even if you are getting frustrated it's STILL not the receiver. Like I already said, the receiver can only play what it gets. So if it's getting a 2ch input, that's what it's getting!! Nothing the receiver can do about it.

you may (if possible) want to contact tech support for your sound/video card, or even peruse online forums that are computer focused.
post #3019 of 10457
I don't think it's the receiver the problem, not at all !

With the ps3 and x360 I got a full 5.1 with the optical but not on my PC that's why I'm frustrated !

Anyway, you are right, this is the thread of the Denon, not the audio cards, so I'm off topic now, sorry smile.gif

Anyway, just this one : what I need to set on the Denon to have a 5.1 ? The MultiChannel or the PLII ?
Edited by IcyEyes - 11/9/12 at 3:53pm
post #3020 of 10457
Thread Starter 
either one will work -- MultiCH Stereo will simply broadcast the same stereo signal on all 5 speakers, whereas PLII will attempt to upmix more intelligently by routing in-phase content to the center channel with diffuse sound to the surrounds. Try them both and see which sounds better to you.
post #3021 of 10457
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

either one will work -- MultiCH Stereo will simply broadcast the same stereo signal on all 5 speakers, whereas PLII will attempt to upmix more intelligently by routing in-phase content to the center channel with diffuse sound to the surrounds. Try them both and see which sounds better to you.


Thanks smile.gif
post #3022 of 10457
On the subject of selecting sound modes, I have yet to figure this out. If i select the music button and "multi-channel stereo" mode on the info display viewer, at the exact same time i see the receiver display go right to "Rock Arena", and the it continues to be one off the rest of the modes, I can never get it to play just "multichannel" I have tried to unplugged the unit, no fix. Is a processor reset the next step? I do want to mention BATPIG'S "DENON-TO-ENGLISH DICTIONARY" SETUP GUIDE AND FAQ and "Dynamic EQ Reference Level Offset". I literally thought that Audyssey had push my "sound bubble" about 3' closer to the tv than I wanted, changing the reference level tamed the rear half of things for sure.
post #3023 of 10457
Hey, looking for a little advice. I've read the first post and looked at all the specs over and over but I'm having a hard time making my final decision. Here is my setup:

Room 1 (Home Theater)
1. PS3
2. WD TV Live
3. Cable
4. (used to have a AVR-3808CI but it just died, all HDMI inputs/outputs stopped working)
5. 6.1 speaker setup using: Boston Acoustics 2x VR-M60(L/R) , VR-MC(C), 2x VR-MX(SL/SR), VR-M/EX(B), SVS PB12-NSD(S)
6. Panasonic PT-AX200U (soon to be upgraded)
7. Stewart GrayHawk (2:1 53x106)

Room 2 (Bedroom)
1. Xbox 360
2. Roku 2xs
3. Cable
4. Blu-ray player (coming soon)
5. AVR 3803 (retiring)
6. 5.1 speaker setup using: HSU Research 2x HB-1 MK2(L/R) , HC-1 MK2(C), 2x HB-1 MK2(SL/SR), VTF-1 MK2(S)
7. Sony KDS-60A3000

So I am looking at the 2313ci or 3313ci for the theater room and the 2113ci for the bedroom, which I think is the right choice, I hope! But for the theater I'm torn between the the 2313ci or 3313ci. I'm leaning towards the 3313ci but no need to waste money, although it was convenient to have the nice display and d-pad on the 3808 that I'd have to give up with the 2313ci.

Looking for any advice or suggestions. Thanks!
Edited by AstroCat - 11/11/12 at 1:33pm
post #3024 of 10457
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Swap the SL speaker wire as well and if no sound, then it's an issue with the AVR. Try resetting the microprocessor (p. 148 OM).

There was a short in the switch. I took it in, under warranty, and they fixed the short. Thanks. Not sure how that happened though.
post #3025 of 10457
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

either one will work -- MultiCH Stereo will simply broadcast the same stereo signal on all 5 speakers, whereas PLII will attempt to upmix more intelligently by routing in-phase content to the center channel with diffuse sound to the surrounds. Try them both and see which sounds better to you.

I've never changed or messed with any of these settings. I usually just let the receiver decide on its own when I watch tv or play xbox. Do most people change to Multich Stereo or PLII when watching tv?
post #3026 of 10457
^^^

if the source is 2 channel from the tv, i generally use dplii or just listen to it in 2 channel...

imo... mch stereo is useful for parties, and that's the extent of it... it makes little to no sense to send the "same" signal when you have an option available to send a "more correct" signal...
post #3027 of 10457
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Originally Posted by jedimastergrant View Post

Thx I will try this tonight if I have a chance.
Another problem I am having is the screen temporarily and intermittently goes black when watching tv for about a second then comes right back. I dont think The audio is affected. I don't think the problem is there with my PS3 but I will check again. I have alreDy switched out all of my hdmi cables. Am I having an hdmi handshake issue?
I also had this problem with my last denon 897 but it lasted for longer each incident.

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

If this only occurs with the cable box then, yes, likely an HDMI handshake issue, resolved by configuration change I suggested.

Ok. Here is an update. The PS3 also has the same problem with the screen either going black or showing fuzz. And the audio also goes out when this happens.

I tried the optical switch with the cable box to the Denon and the problem is still there. But, the incidence has decreased.

What do you think my problem is?

Edit. Sometimes when the screen goes out the audio goes out and sometimes only the picture goes out and the audio is not affected.
Edited by jedimastergrant - 11/10/12 at 8:26am
post #3028 of 10457
Thread Starter 
This is spot on for an hdmi issue between the receiver and display, probably a bad cable or connection point. Random brief dropouts with both sources doesn't really sound like a handshake issue. Double check the cable, make sure it is plugged in fully at both ends, and that it isn't making any tight bends that put lateral tension on the connection point. Hdmi is a finicky and not very robust connection format, if the cable is loose or jiggly or under tension you can get these symptoms.
post #3029 of 10457
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

This is spot on for an hdmi issue between the receiver and display, probably a bad cable or connection point. Random brief dropouts with both sources doesn't really sound like a handshake issue. Double check the cable, make sure it is plugged in fully at both ends, and that it isn't making any tight bends that put lateral tension on the connection point. Hdmi is a finicky and not very robust connection format, if the cable is loose or jiggly or under tension you can get these symptoms.

Thank you Batpig. I checked the connection and it seemed secure but I reinserted anyway. All of the cables are new. That is the first thing I did. Is it possible the actual hdmi port on the TV is to blame? I also had this problem with my last Denon AVR but it was not nearly this bad.

btw I love your guide and it has already helped me a great deal in dealing with the Denon language barrier.
post #3030 of 10457
I have a Denon 1713. After spending a couple months with it I have some questions. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated! Questions are in italics ...

First topic - Dynamic volume levels compensation.

Dynamic Comp. vs Dynamic Volume (in Audyssey menu). These seem to do the same thing, and Dynamic Comp is the more confusing, the manual says:
- Dynamic Comp is turned on and off by the Loudness Mngmt setting.
- The Loudness Mngmt setting says it only applies to Dolby TrueHD.
- In Dynamic Comp it says the "Auto" setting only applies to Dolby TrueHD.

Questions ...
- Does Dynamic Comp only apply to Dolby TrueHD, or, do the "Low / Medium / High" settings apply to all audio sources while the "Auto" setting only applies to Dolby TrueHD?
- Is it a bad idea to have both Dynamic Comp and Dynamic Volume (Audyssey menu) turned on? If I'm using Audyssey should I just use Dynamic Volume and turn off Dynamic Comp/Loudness Mngmt?



Second topic - Audio Delay:

Setting only allows you to delay audio (i.e. assumes the TV picture is lagging).
My TV picture, a Panasonic 65GT50, is ahead of the audio - how do I fix this?


Third topic - Audyssey MultEQ XT settings:

One of the features I like most about Audyssey is that it gives you the option to use either it's "optimized" EQ (the "Audyssey" setting) or an optimized-to-flat EQ ("Audyssey Flat" setting). I like the "Audyssey" setting for TV/Movies and the" Audyssey Flat" setting for music, but traversing the menus to select the setting each time is a hassle.

Is there a way to automatically have all the "Movie" sound modes use the "Audyssey" setting and all the "Music" sound modes use the "Audyssey Flat" setting? This way I could make the switch just by pushing one button on the remote.

Much thanks!
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