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post #3121 of 10468
Yes, when buying a used/demo/refurbished AVR, you'll generally want to reset the microprocessor right out of the box.
post #3122 of 10468
I read the handshake issues under known issues, but it appears that the known issues are related to cable/SAT boxes.

I recently purchased the Denon AVS-1613. I have experienced issues displaying video from my Blu-Ray player when switching over from a different source. Everything was working perfectly for a few day, then when I switched from Cable/SAT to Blu-Ray, I get a green screen with a frozen image from the Satellite signal. I thought that maybe the signal was bleeding over from the SAT signal through the switching electronics in the receiver, but when I take the HDMI cable from the monitor output of the receiver and run it directly to the Blu-Ray player, I get the same thing. So it looks like my player might be toast. I wonder if the issue is related to the cheap HDMI cables I purchased. The HDMI cable said it also had the ethernet feature. This happened to my old panasonic player. I found an old Sony Blu-Ray player on Craigslist and connected that to the system. It worked fine for a few days, but the same thing occurred after a few days of use. Not sure if the issue is with the receiver, or the cables???

Has anyone experienced anything like this?

Any recommendations?

As you can imagine, I'm a little skeptical about simply resetting the processor, buying a new Blu-Ray Player and hoping the issue doesn't claim another device.
post #3123 of 10468
At the very least replace the cables (see Monoprice). Also review the Troubleshooting tips listed in post #3 to include ....

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_L9
post #3124 of 10468
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Originally Posted by lparsons21 View Post

Doesn't actually change the levels, but it takes the load assures the routing of the 80hz and lower frequencies to the sub which in turn takes some of the load off the other speakers. And yes, leave the sub at 12 o clock.
After it is done, check to see that Cinema EQ is on and I recommend Dynamic Volume is Medium. And don't forget to set it to Audyssey EQ. Running the Audyssey setup doesn't do that automagically for some reason.

I was reading through som posts and ran into this one.
I've followed the Audessey 101, the FAQ and the setup giude for setting upp my 2113.
Now I noticed that lparsons21 recommends to set the Cinema EQ to On which hasn't been mentioned anywhere else in the guides.
I just want to make sure that I haven't missunderstood this, should this setting be On?
And what benefits does it have?
post #3125 of 10468
^^^

The beauty of all those setting, buttons and dials is that you can fiddle with them to your heart's content to see what sounds/works best for you. I found that I love having the Cinema EQ on and also use the Dynamic Sound (medium) to get not only great loud performance, but superb low-level performance also.

YMMV!
post #3126 of 10468
^^^

from an audyssey setup standpoint, it's not relevant...

what he is indicating is a post audyssey setup "preference"... it is up to you whether you use it or not... that is also the same for his choice of using dynamic volume....
post #3127 of 10468
Ok, fair answer! smile.gif

However, I have found that to be able to get the more richerer sound I need to have Dynamic Volume set to anything other than Off, but that setting also seem to fade out the bang at big explosions aswell as the detailed sound that I'm expecting on, let's say, when glass getting smashed and hitting the ground.
Therefore I have set my Dynamic Volume to Light, but I'm still missing the details that can be heard by having Dynamic Volume set to Off.
Will Cinema EQ compensate for that? What's the real purpose of this setting (other than the explanation that is stated in the menu)?
post #3128 of 10468
^^^

once you compress out dynamic range by using dynamic volume, nothing will "put it back"...

it's not "less detailed"... it's "less dynamic"...

it's not "richerer"... using dynamic volume is allowing you to turn the volume higher, which in term you (being human) are interpreting as being "better" (or "richerer", as you put it)...

edit: there is nothing "wrong" with this, and after reading many posts about "too low dialog" and several posts from people who express a preference for some type of dynamic range compression in real world usage, i'm beginning to think that many (most?) people in a home environment would be better off using it...

my standard "recommendation" has always been for people not to use it... however, the rather large amount of anecdotal evidence can't be ignored...
post #3129 of 10468
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^
once you compress out dynamic range by using dynamic volume, nothing will "put it back"...
it's not "less detailed"... it's "less dynamic"...
it's not "richerer"... using dynamic volume is allowing you to turn the volume higher, which in term you (being human) are interpreting as being "better" (or "richerer", as you put it)...
edit: there is nothing "wrong" with this, and after reading many posts about "too low dialog" and several posts from people who express a preference for some type of dynamic range compression in real world usage, i'm beginning to think that many (most?) people in a home environment would be better off using it...
my standard "recommendation" has always been for people not to use it... however, the rather large amount of anecdotal evidence can't be ignored...

Ok, so how would you get a "rich" / "dynamic" sound with dynamic volume turned off?
For me the sudden raise in the volume (when going from one scene to another) doesn't matter, I want to be able to hear all sounds as they were first ment to be heard.
I really don't like any settings that has the word Dynamic in it. I rather have the clean pure sound without having anything messing around with it.
But at the same time, I feel that with Dynamic Volume turned off the sound is nowhere near dynamic as it is with it turned On.

Maybe I use the wrong terms - but with dynamic and rich I mean more powerfull, more massive, more heavy and etc...

The problem is, on some movies the dialog is to low with this settings set to Off and there's no dynamic in the sound.
On other movies, during the action scenes, explosions and such are almost "muted" with the setting set to On and it seemes that some details in the sound just vanishes.


And btw, the " richerer" was a typo, but thanks for the laugh smile.gif
post #3130 of 10468
I've had my refurb 1913 for a few days now. Did a reset, downloaded the latest firmware and hooked up with new HDMI cables from my cable box and bluray to the AVR and from the AVR to my samsung 50" plasma/smart/3d tv. Almost everything is working except one big problem. When I switch to cable/tv, sometimes I get audio and video signal, sometimes audio only and sometimes no audio or video. The tv message says "no video source connected". any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
post #3131 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Rschissler View Post

I had the same problem last week. Based on the info JDSmoothie linked, I bought this unit: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004FMI3DA/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
It works great and what's nice about this one is that it has four ports, which might be handy in the future. Some of the others only have one port. The installation instructions may seem like a long list of steps, but it is easy to follow. What it does is provide a bridge between your denon and your router, via a wireless link.

I was just going to write JD but saw your response. I was considering going wireless but decided to go the hardwire route, a pain no less but perhaps worth the effort down the road. The Monoprice has 8 ports for further expansion.

Thanks for the link JD.

It appears from what I have read, "You must either connect the network capable AVR directly to a router/modem with an ethernet cable (recommended) or connect the AVR to a wireless bridge like this..." that you are suggesting hard wiring the AV from your router/modem rather than from a wireless connection I guess to avoid dropped, slow connections...

So I guess I will do it the hard way and get a ethernet line installed to the AV. I checked Monoprice and they have a gizzo called a 8 Port 10/100/1000 Mbps Desktop Gigabit Ethernet Switch # 7857 for 25 bucks. Ya gotta love these guys for their selection, quality and great prices. With this, I'll be able to provide wired internet access to my upcoming smart TV, BD player of of course the AV and G. knows what else going ito the future.

This forum rocks.!

tks
post #3132 of 10468
With Black Friday near I am looking for a great deal on an AVR-1713 model. Has anyone seen any deals?

What should I expect to pay from locations like (Electronics Expo, Vanns, or J&R) ?

Any feedback is appreciated!
post #3133 of 10468
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Originally Posted by virre View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^
once you compress out dynamic range by using dynamic volume, nothing will "put it back"...
it's not "less detailed"... it's "less dynamic"...
it's not "richerer"... using dynamic volume is allowing you to turn the volume higher, which in term you (being human) are interpreting as being "better" (or "richerer", as you put it)...
edit: there is nothing "wrong" with this, and after reading many posts about "too low dialog" and several posts from people who express a preference for some type of dynamic range compression in real world usage, i'm beginning to think that many (most?) people in a home environment would be better off using it...
my standard "recommendation" has always been for people not to use it... however, the rather large amount of anecdotal evidence can't be ignored...

Ok, so how would you get a "rich" / "dynamic" sound with dynamic volume turned off?
For me the sudden raise in the volume (when going from one scene to another) doesn't matter, I want to be able to hear all sounds as they were first ment to be heard.
I really don't like any settings that has the word Dynamic in it. I rather have the clean pure sound without having anything messing around with it.
But at the same time, I feel that with Dynamic Volume turned off the sound is nowhere near dynamic as it is with it turned On.

Maybe I use the wrong terms - but with dynamic and rich I mean more powerfull, more massive, more heavy and etc...

The problem is, on some movies the dialog is to low with this settings set to Off and there's no dynamic in the sound.
On other movies, during the action scenes, explosions and such are almost "muted" with the setting set to On and it seemes that some details in the sound just vanishes.


And btw, the " richerer" was a typo, but thanks for the laugh smile.gif

problem is, you are saying you want two competing goals...

and you are caught up in the words... smile.gif and while you are professing to not like anything with "dynamic" in it (i hope you are using dynamic eq at least), your stated "preferences" are opposed to that "purist" view... you actually are telling us you like it with the dynamic range compressed so that you can have the mid-range be "louder"...

what i explained to you is "what is really happening"... by using dynamic volume, you are compressing the dynamic range... by compressing the dynamic range, you can then turn the volume up louder... that "louder" is what you are interpreting as "richer, heavier, etc."... it's the way human hearing works, things are "better" when they are "louder"...
post #3134 of 10468
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

problem is, you are saying you want two competing goals...
and you are caught up in the words... smile.gif and while you are professing to not like anything with "dynamic" in it (i hope you are using dynamic eq at least), your stated "preferences" are opposed to that "purist" view... you actually are telling us you like it with the dynamic range compressed so that you can have the mid-range be "louder"...
what i explained to you is "what is really happening"... by using dynamic volume, you are compressing the dynamic range... by compressing the dynamic range, you can then turn the volume up louder... that "louder" is what you are interpreting as "richer, heavier, etc."... it's the way human hearing works, things are "better" when they are "louder"...

Ok, things start to make more sense now smile.gif but one question still remains and that is, what's the real purpose of Cinema EQ (other than the explanation that is stated in the menu)?
post #3135 of 10468
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Originally Posted by vanduse1 View Post

With Black Friday near I am looking for a great deal on an AVR-1713 model. Has anyone seen any deals?
What should I expect to pay from locations like (Electronics Expo, Vanns, or J&R) ?
Any feedback is appreciated!

I have my eye on the same receiver. If you have a discover card and order from Brookstone, you get 20% off at this time (15% from cashback partners and 5% from online purchases Oct-Dec). There's also free shipping on all purchases 99 and up.

Best buy will have the AVR 1613 for 275 for black friday. I'm tempted to just "downgrade" and get the 1613. 275 is a good price.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, I have no need for dual zone and was only really looking at the 1713 because of the extra wattage and better EQ. But with a $175 savings to the 1613 through best buy, I can't justify the extra 5 w per channel and EQ anymore. I'm probably set on the 1613 unless someone can convince me that the wattage and eq is worth the extra 175 dollars to upgrade to the 1713.
Edited by PrebanAR15 - 11/19/12 at 2:31pm
post #3136 of 10468
"wattage"... no... it's completely irrelevent...

"eq"... yes... it's highly relevent...
post #3137 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jcgso View Post

I've had my refurb 1913 for a few days now. Did a reset, downloaded the latest firmware and hooked up with new HDMI cables from my cable box and bluray to the AVR and from the AVR to my samsung 50" plasma/smart/3d tv. Almost everything is working except one big problem. When I switch to cable/tv, sometimes I get audio and video signal, sometimes audio only and sometimes no audio or video. The tv message says "no video source connected". any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_L11
post #3138 of 10468
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Originally Posted by virre View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

problem is, you are saying you want two competing goals...
and you are caught up in the words... smile.gif and while you are professing to not like anything with "dynamic" in it (i hope you are using dynamic eq at least), your stated "preferences" are opposed to that "purist" view... you actually are telling us you like it with the dynamic range compressed so that you can have the mid-range be "louder"...
what i explained to you is "what is really happening"... by using dynamic volume, you are compressing the dynamic range... by compressing the dynamic range, you can then turn the volume up louder... that "louder" is what you are interpreting as "richer, heavier, etc."... it's the way human hearing works, things are "better" when they are "louder"...

Ok, things start to make more sense now smile.gif but one question still remains and that is, what's the real purpose of Cinema EQ (other than the explanation that is stated in the menu)?

cool... smile.gif now we are getting somewhere...

cinema eq (in effect) rolls off the high frequencies...

this can be useful in small untreated rooms (read: 99% of users) if they are experiencing overly "bright" sound...
post #3139 of 10468
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

"wattage"... no... it's completely irrelevent...
"eq"... yes... it's highly relevent...

I'm assuming you're responding to my post. If so, are you saying that the "EQ" is worth the 175 dollar difference from the 1613 to 1713?
post #3140 of 10468
^^^

yes, i was responding to your post... smile.gif

yes, i believe firmly that the "upgrade" to xt is worth the money...

note: if you pick up the phone and call, i bet the actual price difference between the black friday price on the 1613 and what the street price is for a 1713 is less than $175... wink.gif
post #3141 of 10468
Just when I thought I had my mind made up again. Oh well, I will wait and see if any specials show up for the 1713. Worst case scenario I can get the 1713 for 20% off through brookstone.
post #3142 of 10468
AFAIK, Brookstone is NOT a Denon authorized reseller so there would be no mfr's warranty if purchased from them.
post #3143 of 10468
Hi everyone smile.gif

I replaced the receiver from my old Sony HT-7200DH home theatre in a box with the Denon 1713 model. I'm using the same speakers and subwoofer from the Sony HTIB. The speakers are functioning as expected, but I'm not getting any output from the subwoofer.

The subwoofer was working well with the Sony receiver. I'm guessing it's incompatible with the Denon receiver? Is my Denon defective? How can I tell?

Thank you for the help! smile.gif
post #3144 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

AFAIK, Brookstone is NOT a Denon authorized reseller so there would be no mfr's warranty if purchased from them.

Looks like you're right. They aren't listed on Denon's list of authorized dealers. Strange as I had assumed brookstone was a highly reputable company.
post #3145 of 10468
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

cool... smile.gif now we are getting somewhere...
cinema eq (in effect) rolls off the high frequencies...
this can be useful in small untreated rooms (read: 99% of users) if they are experiencing overly "bright" sound...

Ok, I'll have to try it out again then, last time I had it on I couldn't hear a difference, but as you say, I am sometimes actually experiencing a bright sound.

Thanks for all the answers! smile.gif
post #3146 of 10468
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Originally Posted by johnmeyer View Post

I've seen a few reports here about the upgrade that Denon started offering a few days ago. I've searched, but cannot find anything -- either here or on the Denon site -- that describes what is in this upgrade. I never upgrade anything unless there are new features or unless I have a problem that the upgrade eliminates ("don't fix it if it ain't broke ...").
So, is this information published, or are we supposed to just blindly download the update and hope it won't break anything? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that Denon supports its products and makes these updates available; I'd just like to know what I'm getting.
Thanks!

i heard this update was supposed to address the pandora issue. in which pandora would play as internet radio so you couldnt rate songs and the like...
post #3147 of 10468
I asked for real world power ratings (new Denon xx13 series) - someone i think batpig or the jds guy - both are frequent posters within this thread referenced an older model / review...

So here for all is the link to and info from a recent mag article - dated Nov 2012, figures are for the 1913 : http://www.hometheater.com/content/denon-avr-1913-av-receiver-ht-labs-measures

Denon AVR-1913 A/V Receiver HT Labs Measures


HT Labs Measures
Two channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 102.3 watts
1% distortion at 117.7 watts

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 70.5 watts
1% distortion at 81.7 watts

Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 52.7 watts
1% distortion at 68.7 watts

Analog frequency response in Pure Direct mode:
–0.14 dB at 10 Hz
–0.03 dB at 20 Hz
–0.08 dB at 20 kHz
–2.98 dB at 50 kHz

Analog frequency response with signal processing:
–0.56 dB at 10 Hz
–0.17 dB at 20 Hz
–0.32 dB at 20 kHz
–18.88 dB at 50 kHz
post #3148 of 10468
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Originally Posted by PrebanAR15 View Post

Looks like you're right. They aren't listed on Denon's list of authorized dealers. Strange as I had assumed brookstone was a highly reputable company.

Has less to do with their rep and more to do with whether they have "applied" to Denon or not to sell their products.
post #3149 of 10468
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Originally Posted by tilt3daxis View Post

Hi everyone smile.gif
I replaced the receiver from my old Sony HT-7200DH home theatre in a box with the Denon 1713 model. I'm using the same speakers and subwoofer from the Sony HTIB. The speakers are functioning as expected, but I'm not getting any output from the subwoofer.
The subwoofer was working well with the Sony receiver. I'm guessing it's incompatible with the Denon receiver? Is my Denon defective? How can I tell?
Thank you for the help! smile.gif


Many of the Sony HTIB systems use a passive subwoofer (no built-in amplifier). The subwoofer output on the Denon is for an active sub (has an amp). You will need either a new powered sub or an amp for the Sony. Does the Sony sub have a power cord to it or only the speaker wire from the HTIB unit? If there is no power cord, it is passive. If there is a power cord, it is active. If it's active there is a different problem. Could be as simple as not having sub output selected in the speaker set up.
post #3150 of 10468
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Originally Posted by tilt3daxis View Post

Hi everyone smile.gif
I replaced the receiver from my old Sony HT-7200DH home theatre in a box with the Denon 1713 model. I'm using the same speakers and subwoofer from the Sony HTIB. The speakers are functioning as expected, but I'm not getting any output from the subwoofer.
The subwoofer was working well with the Sony receiver. I'm guessing it's incompatible with the Denon receiver? Is my Denon defective? How can I tell?
Thank you for the help! smile.gif

There should be no reason either the speakers or the sub wouldn't work with the 1713. Lots of good Troubleshooting tips listed in the Guide listed in post #3 of this thread to include the following ...

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_L20
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