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post #3211 of 10468
Thanks for the quick reply. Glad to see that home theater receivers have matured to be music friendly. I am now in search of the best deal for the Denon AVR 2113CI. I want to make sure the seller is an authorized Denon reseller. It seems there are several deals out there for 500 but the retailers offering this price dont seem to be authorized re-sellers which I assume are required to activate the 3 year Denon warranty.
post #3212 of 10468
Your best "authorized" sources are going to be listed on Denon's website linked below (esp. Electronics Expo) as well as AV Science sales ...

http://usa.denon.com/us/wheretobuy/pages/onlineetailers.aspx
post #3213 of 10468
Thread Starter 
And remember to CALL for the best price.
post #3214 of 10468
I just got the AVR-1713 and I have had a couple instances of it seemingly randomly shutting off for a second and immediately turning back on. Any suggestions?
post #3215 of 10468
I just picked up a Denon Factory Refurbished AVR-2113 on accessories4less for $399. I figure I'd take my chances with a refurb unit in order to save some cash. I'm just hoping I won't be disappointed going from my 8yr old Marantz to the Denon.
post #3216 of 10468
Hello, In a real bind here, hoping one of the gurus from this forum will be able to help me out. I picked up the 3313 today and ran setup. I have 6 devices plugged in, all via HDMI. cable box, wd media player, hd dvd player, xbox 360, playstation 3, wiiu. I am having a number of issues. First issue is that I can have my xbox 360 hooked into HDMI 5 game, and no signal goes to the tv. If I move it to media player I get the image and sound. if the cable wiggles even the tiniest bit however, signal is gone. Same for most inputs I discovered. Right now I cannot get my ps3 to display on the screen even though it was earlier and I have changed nothing.

Second issue is with multi zone. I cannot get a seperate signal to go to my second monitor (all via HDMI) If I plug it into "zone 2" I will get a mirrored signal. If I plug it into "zone 3" I get no signal. Even worse, when I have an HDMI cable plugged into sone 2 now the video in zone 1 and two constantly turn off and on. I have used various sources to ensure it isn't my cable box and tried various HDMI cords. I am at a loss here and very frustrated. Please help if you have any ideas.
post #3217 of 10468
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Originally Posted by mxpx1821 View Post

Hello, In a real bind here, hoping one of the gurus from this forum will be able to help me out. I picked up the 3313 today and ran setup. I have 6 devices plugged in, all via HDMI. cable box, wd media player, hd dvd player, xbox 360, playstation 3, wiiu. I am having a number of issues. First issue is that I can have my xbox 360 hooked into HDMI 5 game, and no signal goes to the tv. If I move it to media player I get the image and sound. if the cable wiggles even the tiniest bit however, signal is gone. Same for most inputs I discovered. Right now I cannot get my ps3 to display on the screen even though it was earlier and I have changed nothing.
Second issue is with multi zone. I cannot get a seperate signal to go to my second monitor (all via HDMI) If I plug it into "zone 2" I will get a mirrored signal. If I plug it into "zone 3" I get no signal. Even worse, when I have an HDMI cable plugged into sone 2 now the video in zone 1 and two constantly turn off and on. I have used various sources to ensure it isn't my cable box and tried various HDMI cords. I am at a loss here and very frustrated. Please help if you have any ideas.

Try a different HDMI cable for your first issue. Get some from Monoprice that have the built in ferrite core. I had an cable that was doing the same thing yours is. Swapped the cables and all is well.
post #3218 of 10468
Thanks, I have done that. In fact I have the same cables from mono price smile.gif I bought a bunch about 2 months ago all of various sizes anticipating my new 3313. I can't think of anything other than my unit is defective. I have zero multi room functionality, and when it does try, video is on and off. connections to the receiver are so touchy that if somebody bumps the cabinet lightly, video will dissapear entirely and can only be restored by going behind and wiggleing the cable for thirty seconds to find the "sweet spot"
post #3219 of 10468
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Originally Posted by cmacdo05 View Post

I just got the AVR-1713 and I have had a couple instances of it seemingly randomly shutting off for a second and immediately turning back on. Any suggestions?

Check for loose cable connections. If only from the cable/sat box, could be an HDMI handshake issue (connect HDMI directly to TV with optical to the AVR), otherwise, it could be a defective unit.
post #3220 of 10468
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Originally Posted by mxpx1821 View Post

Hello, In a real bind here, hoping one of the gurus from this forum will be able to help me out. I picked up the 3313 today and ran setup. I have 6 devices plugged in, all via HDMI. cable box, wd media player, hd dvd player, xbox 360, playstation 3, wiiu. I am having a number of issues. First issue is that I can have my xbox 360 hooked into HDMI 5 game, and no signal goes to the tv. If I move it to media player I get the image and sound. if the cable wiggles even the tiniest bit however, signal is gone. Same for most inputs I discovered. Right now I cannot get my ps3 to display on the screen even though it was earlier and I have changed nothing.
Second issue is with multi zone. I cannot get a seperate signal to go to my second monitor (all via HDMI) If I plug it into "zone 2" I will get a mirrored signal. If I plug it into "zone 3" I get no signal. Even worse, when I have an HDMI cable plugged into sone 2 now the video in zone 1 and two constantly turn off and on. I have used various sources to ensure it isn't my cable box and tried various HDMI cords. I am at a loss here and very frustrated. Please help if you have any ideas.

1. Could be a defective unit with loose HDMI jacks. You may want to consider locking HDMI inputs if not easy to exchange the AVR. Also, you may need to swap the HDMI inputs around to identify the one's that work with specific HDMI inputs as some will and some won't.

2. HDMI audio cannot pass to Zone 2 except when using the Zone 2 (HDMI) monitor out. Rather only "analog" source audio and on board network application audio will pass to Zone 2.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_M
post #3221 of 10468
I am setting up a 3312CI. I am unable to get TV audio to play when I select TV Audio or get any out put out of the media player rca output. I am connecting to a Sonos Connect and would like to be able to get the TV audio into that system. I am able to hear the HD radio, internet radio, DVD via the sonos but no TV audio. My TV is connected by ARC HDMI monitor 1 and the receiver will play the TV audio through the speakers.

I also am unable to get a second TV to work on Zone 2 via HDMI. The same TV and HDMI cable works when connect to the monitor 2 HDMI. In this configuration, I get video only and the sonos provides the audio.

ANY HELP?
post #3222 of 10468
Hello All, I have been poking around on this site for a couple months now. I just upgraded from a Sony HTIB to the Denon 2313. Thanks to a thread here i was able to get a really good price from J&R. I have everything hooked up including some old floor speakers for fronts and the HTIB satellites for center and surround. I am currently looking for the right speaker upgrades. In my old setup I was able to control the volume of the receiver/TV with the tv remote (sound playing through HT). However I can not get it to work with the 2313. I have all componets going to the receiver and the Monitor 1 (ARC) from the 2313 to the TV's HDMI 1 (ARC). Any suggestions on how to get the TV volume to control the receiver volume?
post #3223 of 10468
Conundrum averted, was out listening to speakers in Delaware and Best Buy of all places has the 3313 for under $1k so the price difference became a no brainer to me.
post #3224 of 10468
ARC Support on 2113CI

I have a Samsung TV and Samsung Blu-ray BD-D550C player.

I want to be able to have ARC from any Internet apps I play on TV/Blu-ray player. I found out that on my Samsung TV they do NOT support ARC for Internet Apps. My friend seems to have the Internet@TV apps on the samsung bluray to send audio back to receiver. however on my bluray I cannot even enable the Internet@TV feature and Samsung tech support is asking for $110 to take a look at this since I am out of warranty.

Do any of you have tried to do ARC succesfully from your bluray player internet apps?

AVR
post #3225 of 10468
I'm looking at purchasing the Denon AVR-3313CI and have a question about the audio output jacks.

In my current setup (using a Harman Kardon AVR-520) I have the audio L/R output jacks connected to a receiver's line-in in another room.

I would like to keep that. It basically acts as an extension of the source being listened to in the main room so I can hear whatever is selected in both rooms.

However, I would like to use the Zone 2 feature of the Denon AVR-3313CI to power a pair of speakers that I will install on the back patio.

Can the main room audio source be provided on the Media Player audio output (RCA) jacks so that I can just connect these to my second receiver's line-in the way I have it today without interfering with the powered Zone 2 feature?

Thanks,
post #3226 of 10468
Hi experts smile.gif

I am not an expert, and am seeking some help. I got a Denon AVR-1613 yesterday and it's my first AVR and foray into home audio. I am looking for some help in getting the thing set up. I also ordered a set of speakers online that should arrive sometime next week, and in advance of that I am trying to get everything I need. I know I need some speaker wire and at least one more HDMI cord, but I'm a little confused on some things even after reading a lot online and the e-manual.

I have a PS3, Dish box, and my TV (Visio XVT553SV - a "good" Visio smile.gif ). I want to route as much through the AVR as possible to take advantage of all it offers. Can someone tell me if my understanding here is correct?
  • Connect my PS3 to the AVR via HDMI in.
  • Connect my Dish Box to the AVR via HDMI in.
  • Connect my TV to the AVR via HDMI out. This would be via an ARC port on the TV.

Once I have the speakers set up, should this be the setup I need to receive all audio and video correctly? I consider myself a moderately advanced technical person - I've build my own computer in the past, love technology and do lots of reading online, lots and lots of electrical gadgets, etc - but this is really is brand new territory for me and I did this all on a bit of a whim (which is not like me - this is my version of living on the edge). I'd really appreciate whatever help you guys and gals can provide. I might have more questions once it comes time to actually set up the speakers, too.

Thanks a ton in advance.
post #3227 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

@dryslick -
Either product would likely work just as well; however, using a Redmere cable up to 65' in length should not require any additional signal strengthening device. I'd give Monoprice a call and discuss your issue as if you're going to buy an HDMI repiearter, I'd condsider returning the Redmere for a regular High Speed 50' cable using the difference to pay for the repeater.

I finally solved the signal strength issue on the long run. First, I tried the RapidRun Digital Voltage Inserter. It didn't work. I then contacted monoprice regarding their extenders and I went with their product recommendation. Today, I tried the Monoprice tunable repeater (item 8120) and it did solve my issue. I now receive a HDMI signal on a kitchen TV after going through a HDMI matrix switch, AVR, HDMI detective and 50' cable. The repeater did take some tuning (used #4 setting on the repeater) and the position of the components in the HDMI chain seemed to matter because my initial ordering didn't seem to work.

To assist with any future visitors to the forum with similar signal strength issues when a combination of a HDMI switch, Denon AVR and / or another component drain strength, my complete cable run is detailed below. A different ordering of the components may work as well but this finally worked for me.

It's very nice to have HD on both the family room and kitchen TVs with independent sources (via the HDMI matrix switch) on the cheap without paying $1000+ for the Denon 3313. Without the Gefen HDMI Detective, I would have had 720P to both zones and I wanted 1080P to the larger TV.

For TV 1 (kitchen): [STB | DVD] -- 3' 24AWG CL2 HDMI --> 4x2 Matrix HDMI switch --> 8' 24AWG CL2 HDMI --> HDMI Detective --> 1' HDMI Detective cable --> Denon AVR-1513 -> 1' 24AWG CL2 HDMI --> HDMI Extender --> 50' HDMI RedMere --> Samsung 26' LED

For TV2 (family room): [STB | DVD] -- 3' 24AWG CL2 HDMI --> 4x2 Matrix HDMI switch --> 6' HDMI --> Samsung 40' LED
Note: We don't have an AVR for the family room. We're using a ZVOX soundbar since this isn't our HT room.
post #3228 of 10468
Hi
Perhaps someone might be able to help me. I purchased an avr-1913 and an avr-2313ci. I had the avr-1913 set up and connected to my network via wireless bridge with one of the ports connected to the amp. Airplay worked great and was able to stream from IPAD and MAC without issues. I then connected up my avr-2313ci downstairs hardwired to my network. Now the avr-1913 has disappeared and i can see the avr-2313ci. I can stil control the avr-1913 with the Denon app and I've tried what I can, but now cannot see the avr-1913 as an airplay device anymore only the avr-2313ci. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions of things I might be able to try to be able to see the avr-1913 as an airplay device.
Thanks
Phil
post #3229 of 10468
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Originally Posted by MikeIsGood View Post

Hi experts smile.gif
I am not an expert, and am seeking some help. I got a Denon AVR-1613 yesterday and it's my first AVR and foray into home audio. I am looking for some help in getting the thing set up. I also ordered a set of speakers online that should arrive sometime next week, and in advance of that I am trying to get everything I need. I know I need some speaker wire and at least one more HDMI cord, but I'm a little confused on some things even after reading a lot online and the e-manual.
I have a PS3, Dish box, and my TV (Visio XVT553SV - a "good" Visio smile.gif ). I want to route as much through the AVR as possible to take advantage of all it offers. Can someone tell me if my understanding here is correct?
  • Connect my PS3 to the AVR via HDMI in.
  • Connect my Dish Box to the AVR via HDMI in.
  • Connect my TV to the AVR via HDMI out. This would be via an ARC port on the TV.
Once I have the speakers set up, should this be the setup I need to receive all audio and video correctly? I consider myself a moderately advanced technical person - I've build my own computer in the past, love technology and do lots of reading online, lots and lots of electrical gadgets, etc - but this is really is brand new territory for me and I did this all on a bit of a whim (which is not like me - this is my version of living on the edge). I'd really appreciate whatever help you guys and gals can provide. I might have more questions once it comes time to actually set up the speakers, too.
Thanks a ton in advance.
Sounds good. PS: It's vizio wink.gif
post #3230 of 10468
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Originally Posted by cewan66 View Post

I am setting up a 3312CI. I am unable to get TV audio to play when I select TV Audio or get any out put out of the media player rca output. I am connecting to a Sonos Connect and would like to be able to get the TV audio into that system. I am able to hear the HD radio, internet radio, DVD via the sonos but no TV audio. My TV is connected by ARC HDMI monitor 1 and the receiver will play the TV audio through the speakers.
I also am unable to get a second TV to work on Zone 2 via HDMI. The same TV and HDMI cable works when connect to the monitor 2 HDMI. In this configuration, I get video only and the sonos provides the audio.
ANY HELP?

Only analog audio connected devices will pass to Zone 2 or the Media Player analog output, so you'll want to use the analog outputs from the TV to the AVR (vice HDMI(ARC) in order to pass it to the Sonos.

Also please review the Zone 2 info in my guide linked below ...

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread#user_M
Edited by jdsmoothie - 11/25/12 at 1:43pm
post #3231 of 10468
Quote:
Originally Posted by AVRookee View Post

ARC Support on 2113CI
I have a Samsung TV and Samsung Blu-ray BD-D550C player.
I want to be able to have ARC from any Internet apps I play on TV/Blu-ray player. I found out that on my Samsung TV they do NOT support ARC for Internet Apps. My friend seems to have the Internet@TV apps on the samsung bluray to send audio back to receiver. however on my bluray I cannot even enable the Internet@TV feature and Samsung tech support is asking for $110 to take a look at this since I am out of warranty.
Do any of you have tried to do ARC succesfully from your bluray player internet apps?
AVR

The ARC (audio return channel) feature is generally not offered on non HDMI 1.4/3D TVs, although you can get the audio back to the AVR by connecting an optical cable from the TV to the AVR, and actually that provides even better quality audio as the HDMI(ARC) on Samsung TV's is limited to only stereo 2.0 audio. Note that the ARC feature only applies to TVs as the HDMI cable that connects the AVR to the TV is passing audio/video "TO" the TV, while the ARC features allows the TV audio to be passed "BACK" to the AVR over that same HDMI cable. So when passing audio from the Blu Ray player, the signal is only going in one direction, ie. "TO to the AVR. The issue with the Blu Ray player and internet@TV app is a settings issue and better discussed in one of the Blu Ray threads.
post #3232 of 10468
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Originally Posted by MarkEHansen View Post

I'm looking at purchasing the Denon AVR-3313CI and have a question about the audio output jacks.
In my current setup (using a Harman Kardon AVR-520) I have the audio L/R output jacks connected to a receiver's line-in in another room.
I would like to keep that. It basically acts as an extension of the source being listened to in the main room so I can hear whatever is selected in both rooms.
However, I would like to use the Zone 2 feature of the Denon AVR-3313CI to power a pair of speakers that I will install on the back patio.
Can the main room audio source be provided on the Media Player audio output (RCA) jacks so that I can just connect these to my second receiver's line-in the way I have it today without interfering with the powered Zone 2 feature?
Thanks,

Not unless you have the sources also connected with analog cables in addition to the HDMI cable as the Media Player analog outputs will only output audio from "analog" connected sources.
post #3233 of 10468
Quote:
Originally Posted by braves1fan77 View Post

Hello All, I have been poking around on this site for a couple months now. I just upgraded from a Sony HTIB to the Denon 2313. Thanks to a thread here i was able to get a really good price from J&R. I have everything hooked up including some old floor speakers for fronts and the HTIB satellites for center and surround. I am currently looking for the right speaker upgrades. In my old setup I was able to control the volume of the receiver/TV with the tv remote (sound playing through HT). However I can not get it to work with the 2313. I have all componets going to the receiver and the Monitor 1 (ARC) from the 2313 to the TV's HDMI 1 (ARC). Any suggestions on how to get the TV volume to control the receiver volume?

In order for the devices to communicate with each other, the HDMI-CEC (ie HDMI Control) feature must be enabled on each device. Note however, this does not always work with every device.
post #3234 of 10468
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeIsGood View Post

Hi experts smile.gif
I am not an expert, and am seeking some help. I got a Denon AVR-1613 yesterday and it's my first AVR and foray into home audio. I am looking for some help in getting the thing set up. I also ordered a set of speakers online that should arrive sometime next week, and in advance of that I am trying to get everything I need. I know I need some speaker wire and at least one more HDMI cord, but I'm a little confused on some things even after reading a lot online and the e-manual.
I have a PS3, Dish box, and my TV (Visio XVT553SV - a "good" Visio smile.gif ). I want to route as much through the AVR as possible to take advantage of all it offers. Can someone tell me if my understanding here is correct?
  • Connect my PS3 to the AVR via HDMI in.
  • Connect my Dish Box to the AVR via HDMI in.
  • Connect my TV to the AVR via HDMI out. This would be via an ARC port on the TV.
Once I have the speakers set up, should this be the setup I need to receive all audio and video correctly? I consider myself a moderately advanced technical person - I've build my own computer in the past, love technology and do lots of reading online, lots and lots of electrical gadgets, etc - but this is really is brand new territory for me and I did this all on a bit of a whim (which is not like me - this is my version of living on the edge). I'd really appreciate whatever help you guys and gals can provide. I might have more questions once it comes time to actually set up the speakers, too.
Thanks a ton in advance.

Although technically a good configuration, you may need to connect the Dish(HDMI) directly to the TV if you have any audio/video HDMI handshake issues while also connecting Dish (optical) to the AVR. Note also that you may need to try conecting to each HDMI input to see if a device works better in one input vs. another input as they are not all created equal. Also, if you have issues with the PS3, set the "Deep Color Output" setting to OFF.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread#user_L11
post #3235 of 10468
Quote:
Originally Posted by dryslick View Post

I finally solved the signal strength issue on the long run. First, I tried the RapidRun Digital Voltage Inserter. It didn't work. I then contacted monoprice regarding their extenders and I went with their product recommendation. Today, I tried the Monoprice tunable repeater (item 8120) and it did solve my issue. I now receive a HDMI signal on a kitchen TV after going through a HDMI matrix switch, AVR, HDMI detective and 50' cable. The repeater did take some tuning (used #4 setting on the repeater) and the position of the components in the HDMI chain seemed to matter because my initial ordering didn't seem to work.
To assist with any future visitors to the forum with similar signal strength issues when a combination of a HDMI switch, Denon AVR and / or another component drain strength, my complete cable run is detailed below. A different ordering of the components may work as well but this finally worked for me.
It's very nice to have HD on both the family room and kitchen TVs with independent sources (via the HDMI matrix switch) on the cheap without paying $1000+ for the Denon 3313. Without the Gefen HDMI Detective, I would have had 720P to both zones and I wanted 1080P to the larger TV.
For TV 1 (kitchen): [STB | DVD] -- 3' 24AWG CL2 HDMI --> 4x2 Matrix HDMI switch --> 8' 24AWG CL2 HDMI --> HDMI Detective --> 1' HDMI Detective cable --> Denon AVR-1513 -> 1' 24AWG CL2 HDMI --> HDMI Extender --> 50' HDMI RedMere --> Samsung 26' LED
For TV2 (family room): [STB | DVD] -- 3' 24AWG CL2 HDMI --> 4x2 Matrix HDMI switch --> 6' HDMI --> Samsung 40' LED
Note: We don't have an AVR for the family room. We're using a ZVOX soundbar since this isn't our HT room.

Thanks for the review on the 8120 repeater. Regarding the Gefen HDMI Detective, if you are playing the "same" 1080p source to both TVs, will you still get 1080p to TV2?
post #3236 of 10468
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Originally Posted by plouie10 View Post

Hi
Perhaps someone might be able to help me. I purchased an avr-1913 and an avr-2313ci. I had the avr-1913 set up and connected to my network via wireless bridge with one of the ports connected to the amp. Airplay worked great and was able to stream from IPAD and MAC without issues. I then connected up my avr-2313ci downstairs hardwired to my network. Now the avr-1913 has disappeared and i can see the avr-2313ci. I can stil control the avr-1913 with the Denon app and I've tried what I can, but now cannot see the avr-1913 as an airplay device anymore only the avr-2313ci. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions of things I might be able to try to be able to see the avr-1913 as an airplay device.
Thanks
Phil

Try unplugging the power to the 1913 for a few minutes and then power back on as well as resetting your router as well as the tips listed below ....

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread#user_L1
post #3237 of 10468
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Try unplugging the power to the 1913 for a few minutes and then power back on as well as resetting your router as well as the tips listed below ....
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread#user_L1

Thanks I'll give those a go and report back with results!!
post #3238 of 10468
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Although technically a good configuration, you may need to connect the Dish(HDMI) directly to the TV if you have any audio/video HDMI handshake issues while also connecting Dish (optical) to the AVR. Note also that you may need to try conecting to each HDMI input to see if a device works better in one input vs. another input as they are not all created equal. Also, if you have issues with the PS3, set the "Deep Color Output" setting to OFF.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread#user_L11

I've heard about the Deep Color setting on the PS3, so I will keep that in mind when hooking it up. I planned on sending the Dish to HDMI Input 1 on the AVR as it's marked for CBL/SAT, and the PS3 to HDMI Input 4 as it's marked for Game, but if I have any problems I'll try out the other ones.

As for the Dish box... Thanks for the link explaining handshake, as I didn't know what that was. So if I have problems I will continue with the HDMI going from the Dish box to the TV itself. Then I need to send optical audio from the Dish to the AVR. This is the Dish box I have:



So I presume I would use the Digital Audio Output and connect it to the TV Audio Optical in on the AVR. Would I need one of these cords to do that? I definitely don't have one smile.gif

http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Digital-Optical-Audio-Toslink/dp/B001TH7GSW/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1353856904&sr=1-1

Thanks for your help.
post #3239 of 10468
Correct. if the box had an "orange" jack (digital coax), you could use a "yellow" composite video cable connected to the AVR's coax digital input jack with the same audio quality as the optical.
post #3240 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Not unless you have the sources also connected with analog cables in addition to the HDMI cable as the Media Player analog outputs will only output audio from "analog" connected sources.

Thanks, JD. 90% of the time, my sources will be one of the two:
- Audio via digital coax (s/pdif)
- The internet sources via the AVR (like Pandora).

I will not be able to connect an analog from the first source (there just isn't one) and the second is built-in to the AVR so there is no connection.

Is there any way to get a pre-out of these sources to a second AVR/amplifier without using zone 2 (perhaps other than the Media Player analog out)?

I see this receiver also has a zone 3 pre-out, which I assume can provide these sources, but I would have to select the source from the sub-room and I don't have an easy way to do that. I really just want to turn on the AVR/amp in the sub-room and have it play what is coming in on its line-in.

Just to restate it, I'm trying to get pre-outs of whatever is playing through the main speakers so I can send it to a sub-room containing a second AVR/amplifier. I plan to use the Zone 2 feature to power a set of speakers on the back patio so I don't want to do anything that would prevent that.
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