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post #3271 of 8312
11/26/12 at 8:36am
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Originally Posted by kklstereoquestio View Post

EE is offering, through Amazon, a 2113ci open box for under 500. I'm seriously thinking of this but one of the reviews says:
"Another not so great thing about this receiver is that it does not come with a Wifi card like your smart TV's, again makes no sense, why would you make an advance piece of equipment like this with all the great features and no Wifi card, so this means you have to hardwire it to your router."
Is that true or did the owner misunderstand instructions? If true it would not work for me as the tv/AVR system is in a different room than my router.
Second, question, another reviewer said:
"Disappointment set in early when I discovered that the 2113ci does not have dual amps, which means that bi-wiring/amping is not possible. "
Folks have advised me that using "bi-wire" is a waste, but there is bi-wiring possible with the speakers I'll have. So is the above true? Thanks in advance.

I got this wireless bridge for my 3313 and it works great. This one has four ports, which could be handy for other devices. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004FMI3DA/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
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post #3272 of 8312
11/26/12 at 9:47am
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Originally Posted by raupa01 View Post

I did not find AV Science sales on the Denon link...
Thanks.

AV Science is listed with the New York dealers.

http://usa.denon.com/us/wheretobuy/pages/dealersearch.aspx


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post #3273 of 8312
11/26/12 at 10:18am
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Originally Posted by kklstereoquestio View Post

EE is offering, through Amazon, a 2113ci open box for under 500. I'm seriously thinking of this but one of the reviews says:

"Another not so great thing about this receiver is that it does not come with a Wifi card like your smart TV's, again makes no sense, why would you make an advance piece of equipment like this with all the great features and no Wifi card, so this means you have to hardwire it to your router."

Is that true or did the owner misunderstand instructions? If true it would not work for me as the tv/AVR system is in a different room than my router.

Second, question, another reviewer said:

"Disappointment set in early when I discovered that the 2113ci does not have dual amps, which means that bi-wiring/amping is not possible. "

Folks have advised me that using "bi-wire" is a waste, but there is bi-wiring possible with the speakers I'll have. So is the above true? Thanks in advance.

It's good that you posted here as Amazon reviewers have a high likelihood of not knowing WTF they are talking about wink.gif

I don't even know what "dual amps" even means. As pointed out above, bi-wiring is a giant waste of time.
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post #3274 of 8312
11/26/12 at 12:29pm
Hey folks. I just bought a Denon AVR-1613 during an online Black Friday sale. It arrived today and I promptly removed it from the box and started to set it up. I plugged it into the wall and TV and followed the setup instructions. I connected my two front speakers, my DVD player, my TV antenna, and an ethernet cable and everything worked great. After listening to it a few minutes on different sources I was pretty content that it was working well and decided to move it into my entertainment unit (prior to this point it was sitting on the floor next to my TV. I didn't want to go through the hassle of running everything through the back of the unit until I had tested it out, so I had a good number of cables running everywhere). I pushed the power button, saw it switch from green to red or yellow, and then unplugged it. Then I disconnected both speakers and ran them through the back of my unit, along with the power cord, and plugged it all back in. However, when I pushed the power button on my remote nothing happened. Then I tried pressing the button on the receiver itself and still nothing. After double-checking that it was properly plugged in, I tried again with no success. I then unplugged it, let it sit a few minutes, and then plugged it back in and tried again with the same result. I have tried plugging other things into the same outlet and all work fine, and I am confident that the receiver was not dropped/jostled/bumped/abused in the time between when it worked and now. A few minutes ago I tried resetting the processor as described in the manual, but nothing has worked. Any ideas/suggestions would be wonderful. Sorry if this has come up before and I was too ignorant to find the solution on my own. Thanks, everyone!
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post #3275 of 8312
11/26/12 at 12:50pm
Probably a dumb question, but on the 2313ci can you input your video signal through HDMI and output that inofrmation as component video?
Thanks,
J
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post #3276 of 8312
11/26/12 at 1:03pm
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no, no receiver will allow this "downconversion". It's against the "rules" for HDMI (digital copy protection of HD content).
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post #3277 of 8312
11/26/12 at 1:09pm
However there are external devices which can do HDMI to component conversion.
e.g. http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10114&cs_id=1011410&p_id=8125&seq=1&format=2
A Web search for
HDMI component convert
lists quite a few alternatives.
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post #3278 of 8312
11/26/12 at 4:08pm
Just thought I'd mention that someone might want to update the original post since you can listen to Spotify on the 1713 via AirPlay on an iPhone or iPad. I just tested it out and it treats it like any other AirPlay music, including the album artwork. smile.gif

I realize it's technically not the Denon Spotify app, but it's probably easier to use through an iPhone anyway.
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post #3279 of 8312
11/26/12 at 4:40pm
Hey Guys,
My new 1713 arrived today. Had an issue with my speaker phasing, who knew the generic wires with a yamaha soundbar would be incorrectly color coded? So far so good, just waiting for the new speakers to arrive wednesday.
Edited by joemannnnn - 11/26/12 at 5:19pm
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post #3280 of 8312
11/26/12 at 5:26pm
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Originally Posted by jesterck View Post

Hey folks. I just bought a Denon AVR-1613 during an online Black Friday sale. It arrived today and I promptly removed it from the box and started to set it up. I plugged it into the wall and TV and followed the setup instructions. I connected my two front speakers, my DVD player, my TV antenna, and an ethernet cable and everything worked great. After listening to it a few minutes on different sources I was pretty content that it was working well and decided to move it into my entertainment unit (prior to this point it was sitting on the floor next to my TV. I didn't want to go through the hassle of running everything through the back of the unit until I had tested it out, so I had a good number of cables running everywhere). I pushed the power button, saw it switch from green to red or yellow, and then unplugged it. Then I disconnected both speakers and ran them through the back of my unit, along with the power cord, and plugged it all back in. However, when I pushed the power button on my remote nothing happened. Then I tried pressing the button on the receiver itself and still nothing. After double-checking that it was properly plugged in, I tried again with no success. I then unplugged it, let it sit a few minutes, and then plugged it back in and tried again with the same result. I have tried plugging other things into the same outlet and all work fine, and I am confident that the receiver was not dropped/jostled/bumped/abused in the time between when it worked and now. A few minutes ago I tried resetting the processor as described in the manual, but nothing has worked. Any ideas/suggestions would be wonderful. Sorry if this has come up before and I was too ignorant to find the solution on my own. Thanks, everyone!
You probably already did so, but I would check to make sure it is plugged all the way in on the back of the receiver. Sometimes it can seem like it is plugged all the way in, but really isn't.
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post #3281 of 8312
11/26/12 at 6:43pm
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Originally Posted by BigSpeen3436 View Post

Just thought I'd mention that someone might want to update the original post since you can listen to Spotify on the 1713 via AirPlay on an iPhone or iPad. I just tested it out and it treats it like any other AirPlay music, including the album artwork. smile.gif
I realize it's technically not the Denon Spotify app, but it's probably easier to use through an iPhone anyway.

Post #2 refers to the on board Spotify feature, as there are numerous smart phone apps (to include Spotify and SiriusXM) that can use Airplay via the AVR.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_G9
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post #3282 of 8312
11/26/12 at 6:54pm
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Originally Posted by Rschissler View Post

You probably already did so, but I would check to make sure it is plugged all the way in on the back of the receiver. Sometimes it can seem like it is plugged all the way in, but really isn't.

I appreciate the response. Seems plugged in to me. The power cord doesn't just plug into a jack, it disappears into the receiver, but I unscrewed the cover and took a gander and everything looked secure (granted I have no technical knowledge of these kind of things, but nothing looked out of the ordinary). Right now I'm thinking I will just go to Best Buy and exchange it, but I'll feel pretty stupid if they tell me there is a simple solution I'm overlooking.
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post #3283 of 8312
11/26/12 at 7:14pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

And remember to CALL for the best price.

Thanks... Ended up getting 2113 for a great price from electronics expo.
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post #3284 of 8312
11/26/12 at 8:18pm
hey guys had a couple of quick questions. i have an onkyo 609 that i'm not too happy with and was thinking about switching over to denon. i only have a 3.1 set up right now with energy rc-10, lcr and svs pb 10 nsd so should i just get a 1713? al i have to hook up is a sony 590 blu ray player and my cable box? i see ac4l has a great deal on the 2113 for 399 but i don't know if i need all the extras. i was actually even looking at a 1712 on clearence at BB for 199 since my sony blu ray has pandora and netflix? just looking for anr insight or from anyone who has jumped over from an onkyo 609 or similiar.
thanks
mike
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post #3285 of 8312
11/27/12 at 2:46am
All the Denon models listed use the same Audyssey MultEQ XT, so if you don't need the extra features in the newer models, the 1712 would be a great buy. smile.gif
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post #3286 of 8312
11/27/12 at 4:11am
What do guys think of the possibility for MultEQ XT32 to be added to either 33xx or 38xx range next year? Don't want a 4520 since it´s overkill for me but still want the XT32.
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post #3287 of 8312
11/27/12 at 6:10am
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Originally Posted by plouie10 View Post

Crap spoke to soon. Disappeared again. I'll have to continue the testing. Keep you posted.

Okay, so I changed the wireless bridge I originally had (DLink) as I noticed the Denon AVR-1913 was losing it's IP address. So I swapped for a Netgear wireless bridge, changed the IP to static outside the normal range from 1.xx to 1.xxx and so far for 2 days in a row the AVR-1913 has appeared for and Airplay device. Keeping my fingers crossed.
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post #3288 of 8312
11/27/12 at 6:11am
How does the 2113CI compare to the Onkyo 818 at this same exact price? I just need it for a 5.1 home theater, music and cable (and maybe an outdoor zone 2) in my new house and I bit on a low price on the Onkyo, but after reading this thread I'm really feeling the love for the 2113C and tempted to go for this instead.
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post #3289 of 8312
11/27/12 at 6:13am
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Originally Posted by wesslan1 View Post

What do guys think of the possibility for MultEQ XT32 to be added to either 33xx or 38xx range next year? Don't want a 4520 since it´s overkill for me but still want the XT32.

while i suppose it is possible, it is one of the main differentiators between the 4xxx and the 3xxx series for the great majority of users... from a marketing standpoint, it wouldn't make much sense for them to do it...
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post #3290 of 8312
11/27/12 at 8:10am
Any options for Apple Lossless playback from a media server on the 3313 (short of converting to MP3 or other format)?
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post #3291 of 8312
11/27/12 at 8:38am
Over the network? I wouldn't think so. Via RCA cables? Definitely. =p

alternatively you could hook up an AppleTV.... That will output lossless with no conversion...
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post #3292 of 8312
11/27/12 at 9:30am
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Originally Posted by JasonColeman View Post

Any options for Apple Lossless playback from a media server on the 3313 (short of converting to MP3 or other format)?

can you not use AirPlay?
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post #3293 of 8312
11/27/12 at 9:35am
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Originally Posted by Jagged68 View Post

How does the 2113CI compare to the Onkyo 818 at this same exact price? I just need it for a 5.1 home theater, music and cable (and maybe an outdoor zone 2) in my new house and I bit on a low price on the Onkyo, but after reading this thread I'm really feeling the love for the 2113C and tempted to go for this instead.

that's a bit of an unfair comparison because the 818 is a much higher end receiver. It's a $1,200msrp product compared to the 2113CI which is a $650msrp product... so it's almost double the price.

The 2113CI streets for around $450ish so it you got the 818 for that price, god bless and enjoy! smile.gif

The 818 simply has a lot more features, most notable Audyssey XT32 calibration (a big step up from the Denon's XT flavor) plus it also has DSX, DTS Neo:X, THX Select2 certification and processing, high end HQV + Marvel QDEO video processing, bigger and heavier with beefier amps, more HDMI inputs, etc.

The only real advantage the Denon has is AirPlay (which Onkyo hasn't licensed for some reason) and any inherent advantages that you may find on Denon vs. Onkyo, like a better GUI interface or potentially better reliability.

The 2113CI gets a lot of "love" because it's a fantastic value at the price point (under $500) but the Onk 818 is just a higher end product.
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post #3294 of 8312
11/27/12 at 9:37am
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Originally Posted by wesslan1 View Post

What do guys think of the possibility for MultEQ XT32 to be added to either 33xx or 38xx range next year? Don't want a 4520 since it´s overkill for me but still want the XT32.

I would guess it's pretty unlikely. If you don't want to pay for the 4520 why not the 4311? You can find them these days for barely over 1G.
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post #3295 of 8312
11/27/12 at 10:20am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

that's a bit of an unfair comparison because the 818 is a much higher end receiver. It's a $1,200msrp product compared to the 2113CI which is a $650msrp product... so it's almost double the price.
The 2113CI streets for around $450ish so it you got the 818 for that price, god bless and enjoy! smile.gif
The 818 simply has a lot more features, most notable Audyssey XT32 calibration (a big step up from the Denon's XT flavor) plus it also has DSX, DTS Neo:X, THX Select2 certification and processing, high end HQV + Marvel QDEO video processing, bigger and heavier with beefier amps, more HDMI inputs, etc.
The only real advantage the Denon has is AirPlay (which Onkyo hasn't licensed for some reason) and any inherent advantages that you may find on Denon vs. Onkyo, like a better GUI interface or potentially better reliability.
The 2113CI gets a lot of "love" because it's a fantastic value at the price point (under $500) but the Onk 818 is just a higher end product.

Thanks Batpig. I know it's not a fair comparison, but the price points are identical @$650 (haven't seen the 2113CI cheaper yet). I just don't know if I need the higher end receiver since I probably won't use all those modes and I like the Denon UI and Airplay. I just know the 818 is so much more of a beast that I should probably just get it at this price even if I don't use its full functionality.
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post #3296 of 8312
11/27/12 at 10:21am
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Sorry but the price point is not identical. If you CALL authorized dealers you can find the 2113ci a lot cheaper than that. wink.gif Denon polices msrp so authorized dealers cannot advertise their best price online.
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post #3297 of 8312
11/27/12 at 10:59am
Sorry I may have posted this twice. Still getting used to the forum navigation.

I just picked up a 1713 for $299 and I am looking at options for speakers in a small 12x12 family room. I have a pair of Paradigm 5SEMk3s for fronts and a Paradigm CC170 for center channel and, for now, a Polk Audio PSW10 Sub. I could also use a pair of Paradigm Titan 3s for the fronts as probably a better match to the CC170. I think the proper match for the SEs is a CC300.

I also have a rarely used 42" unpowered Polk Audio Soundbar Black model that I could use withe PSW10. Right now the wife is balking at surround speakers because of decor and this install is mostly for TV, some movies and music. I will also be hooking up a Samsung series 6, 650 TV (no Arc), an HDTV cable box, blue ray and Apple TV.

So 3.1 with the Paradigms or try the Soundbar to please the wife's decor and budget outlook?

From the cd manual it looks like the auto calibration for the 3.1 will work but I gather that the auto setup won't work with the soundbar so any advice or links on setup to try that would be appreciated.
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post #3298 of 8312
11/27/12 at 11:07am
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this is really something that you need to work out with your wife, isn't it? What can we do in this situation?

The Paradigm speakers will undoubtedly sound better than the Polk soundbar, so it's really a question of whether you can convince your wife to allow you to use the better speakers and sacrifice her decor a bit.
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post #3299 of 8312
11/27/12 at 11:08am
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Originally Posted by DGCanuck View Post

Sorry I may have posted this twice. Still getting used to the forum navigation.

I just picked up a 1713 for $299 and I am looking at options for speakers in a small 12x12 family room. I have a pair of Paradigm 5SEMk3s for fronts and a Paradigm CC170 for center channel and, for now, a Polk Audio PSW10 Sub. I could also use a pair of Paradigm Titan 3s for the fronts as probably a better match to the CC170. I think the proper match for the SEs is a CC300.

I also have a rarely used 42" unpowered Polk Audio Soundbar Black model that I could use withe PSW10. Right now the wife is balking at surround speakers because of decor and this install is mostly for TV, some movies and music. I will also be hooking up a Samsung series 6, 650 TV (no Arc), an HDTV cable box, blue ray and Apple TV.

So 3.1 with the Paradigms or try the Soundbar to please the wife's decor and budget outlook?

From the cd manual it looks like the auto calibration for the 3.1 will work but I gather that the auto setup won't work with the soundbar so any advice or links on setup to try that would be appreciated.

I don't know why you are giving even a second's thought to the soundbar or the Titan 3s, given that you already have the 5se's, the 170 and the PSW10.

Let the Audyssey Pro in the Denon 1713 do the matching for you, given how close to good you already are.
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post #3300 of 8312
11/27/12 at 11:10am
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I don't know why you are giving even a second's thought to the soundbar or the Titan 3s

what do you mean you don't know why? yes you do, it's that thing over there with the second X chromosome and the ring on its finger wink.gif
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