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post #331 of 10457
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

unfortunately the rosenuts are LOOOONG gone. The RC line was discontinued a couple of years ago, but Vann's and Audiovox/Energy came up with an arrangement where specific models (RC-70, RC-10, RC-LCR) are still produced in black finish for Vann's at very steep discounts compared to their original msrp. But rosenut & cherry finish haven't been for sale in a long, long time.
you can get the newer Veritas models in their glossy rosewood finish, it's a bit redder and of course glossier than the matte rosenut finish from the RC's but by all accounts they are beautiful.

Oh well, then I need to look at veritas line.

Which one you suggest comparable to RC-70? Veritas 6.2 or 6.3?

and what should be good price for 3312CI:)
post #332 of 10457
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Originally Posted by NewHT View Post

Oh well, then I need to look at veritas line.
Which one you suggest comparable to RC-70? Veritas 6.2 or 6.3?
and what should be good price for 3312CI:)

Vanns got my order..cheaper than EE was going to cost for my location with tax and shipping:)

pm me for price..
post #333 of 10457
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by NewHT View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by batpig View Post

unfortunately the rosenuts are LOOOONG gone. The RC line was discontinued a couple of years ago, but Vann's and Audiovox/Energy came up with an arrangement where specific models (RC-70, RC-10, RC-LCR) are still produced in black finish for Vann's at very steep discounts compared to their original msrp. But rosenut & cherry finish haven't been for sale in a long, long time.
you can get the newer Veritas models in their glossy rosewood finish, it's a bit redder and of course glossier than the matte rosenut finish from the RC's but by all accounts they are beautiful.

Oh well, then I need to look at veritas line.

Which one you suggest comparable to RC-70? Veritas 6.2 or 6.3?

and what should be good price for 3312CI:)

this should really be in the Energy thread. The V6.3 is the direct comp to the RC-70 as it's a "true" 3-way design, but at the current pricing the V6.2 is really the best value by far (check out the clearance section at Vann's for some open box / returns at crazy prices). Unless you are a hardcore 2ch music nut where you would appreciate the extra separation/clarity in the midrange on the 3-way version, you will be fine with the V6.2. In fact, speaking of the clearance rack at Vann's, if you want a rosewood color I would strongly consider those Mirage OMD-15's they've got.

anyway, off topic for the thread, carry on smile.gif
post #334 of 10457
Another feature I noticed looking at the 3313CI back panel is that in addition to an HDMI Zone 2 output, the Component monitor output is switchable between the main zone and Zone 2.
post #335 of 10457
I have a zone 2 matrix question on the 3313 for a new system I am building.. In my media room, I will have two tv sets and a Projector with retractable screen, 5.1 surround. The TVs and Projector will never be on at the same time. From the specs, the 3313 seems to fit the need of connecting all three displays.

Some secondary needs are:
-Quickly switching audio from one tv to the next over the 5.1
-have both TVs displaying content while being able to listen to audio over the 5.1. The scenario is a poker game with music playing and sporting events displayed in the background.

Does the avr 3313 fit those needs or am I better of getting a different receiver and independent matrix switch?
Edited by samp81 - 6/9/12 at 2:12am
post #336 of 10457
Just bought a Denon AVR-2113CI and am having some issues. When I turn the unit on it will display "UPDATE RETRY" for abut 10 seconds or so and then it disappears. The unit cylces through its normal start-up telling me that the main zone is on....etc. During this time no buttons on the remote work and receiver does not operate normally. Then after about 2-3 minutes the receiver shuts itself off and then turns back on...again displaying "UPDATE RETRY" and repeating above cycle.

So far I have done the following and it has not seemed to help:

(1) unplug unit for 10 minutes and start over
(2) Microprocessor reset (holding down TUNER PRESET CH + and TUNER PRESET CHANNEL -
(3) I have confirmed that network connection is working
(4) Disconnecting internet and attempting to start-up without it

The unit was working fine for about a 48 hours, but when I connected to the internet is when I had issues. I think that an update may have been interrupted either by the unit being powered off or CAT5 cable getting disconnected so this may be the root of the problem.

Any help out there would really be appreciated as I am so frustrated. I searched other threads and saw that on earlier model Denon's you could do either a "microprocessor reset" or a "network reset", but I cannot find any instructions on how to do a "network reset" on this model.

Thanks in advance!
post #337 of 10457
^^
Welcome to AVS Forum.

I'm still trying to get the Network reset info from Denon which when received I'll update post #5 of this thread.
Have you tried rebooting your router? Is the AVR "wired" to the router or connected wirelessly via a bridge modem?
post #338 of 10457
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Originally Posted by samp81 View Post

I have a zone 2 matrix question on the 3313 for a new system I am building.. In my media room, I will have two tv sets and a Projector with retractable screen, 5.1 surround. The TVs and Projector will never be on at the same time. From the specs, the 3313 seems to fit the need of connecting all three displays.
Some secondary needs are:
-Quickly switching audio from one tv to the next over the 5.1
-have both TVs displaying content while being able to listen to audio over the 5.1. The scenario is a poker game with music playing and sporting events displayed in the background.
Does the avr 3313 fit those needs or am I better of getting a different receiver and independent matrix switch?

The Zone 2 HDMI output is a matrix switch and therefore the video/audio processing must be done by either an external AVR or the TV itself, so that likely rules out connecting it to the PJ. It could be connected to one of the TVs for separate video/audio from that TV, although if the same video will always be on both TVs (not necessarily both at once) then there's no need for the 3313CI. It's still unknown whether the 2313CI, although having dual HDMI monitor outputs will be able to pass to both outputs simultaneously. And currently using the stock 3312CI remote, you must go into the GUI to change from one HDMI output to the other (although there's a Harmony remote command that can do this IIRC). Not sure about the capability of the 3313CI remote yet.
post #339 of 10457
Hmm - so to get the 3312 or the 3313 at this point is the question for me. There's a Denon "authorized" seller selling the 3312 at a fantastic price right now and only the 4K conversion feature intrigues me comparing the two.
Edited by Wryker - 6/9/12 at 9:49am
post #340 of 10457
^^^

at risk of repeating myself... smile.gif

the 4k "feature" is jewelry... it's not of any use....
post #341 of 10457
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^
at risk of repeating myself... smile.gif
the 4k "feature" is jewelry... it's not of any use....

And due to that fact and that Electronics Expo has a fantastic deal on the 3312 right now I just ordered the 3312. biggrin.gif
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post #343 of 10457
pitty they don't run on 240 volt for that price
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post #345 of 10457
Help with Denon 1613

Each time I click on the mute button, the receiver makes a loud clicking noice. The family likes to mute during the commercials and this new clicking sound is causing great friction in the family.

The set us is as follows: Cable Box to Reciever to the TV. I recall this issue being discussed in the forum, but can't recall where.

Please point me in the right direction. Thanks
post #346 of 10457
Thread Starter 
all Denons "click" when they mute because there's a physical relay that cuts the signal to the speakers. If you go into "Volume" setting (pg 83 of your manual, in the "Audio" section of the menu) and change the Mute Level from "Full" to -40dB, it will stop clicking because the sound isn't cut completely, it just digitally attenuates the signal by 40dB. You won't get a full mute but 40dB is a LOT of attenuation, and it should make the audio essentially inaudible, and you won't have to deal with the relay clicks anymore. smile.gif
post #347 of 10457
Great tip! The click in my old Denon never bothered me, but it is still a great tip. smile.gif
post #348 of 10457
thanks
post #349 of 10457
I think I am finally going to junp and look for a deal on a 3313. I would be upgrading from a 2809. I have also been running it with a very old PRA2400 pwr amp, B&W 640i main speakers and big newer HSU VTF 15H sub.I am only using HDMI inputs. PS3, Uverse and Sharp 3d Bluray. All connected to a 70 sharp LCD(735 model)
like the new GUI interface compared to the 2809.
Looking also for the zone setup. I believe I am good to say.
I can watch Nascar in 5.1 and then the wife can listen to her Iphone music in Zone 2(patio) and still control her own volume and songs via her iphone without disrupting my show?

I will miss the touch screen remote from the 2809.

I have never tried to pwr my mains with its own internal amp. The 2809 is my 3rd Denon and have always used the PAO2400 to pwr my fronts.

Side question: Why do they list the HDMI inputs 1 ,2,3 etc with still Bluray, Cbl/Sat, DVD...etc...... Why not just HDMI 1,2,3,4 and you assign the title in the setup menu. Sat or Bluray or PS3 etc. ????
Dennis
post #350 of 10457
^^
AFAIK, the 3313CI should be available for purchase starting later next week. Although on prior year models, the HDMI inputs were assignable and able to renamed as you suggest, and although the "renameable" feature still exists, the 1913 and lower models lose the ability to reassign the HDMI inputs, likely because for most users it's easier to just plug the Blu Ray into the BD HDMI jack, the cable/sat box into the CBL/SAT HDMI jack, etc. Regarding the Denon remote, you may want to consider using a Harmony or perhaps the Denon REMOTE smart phone app instead.
post #351 of 10457
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

bumping this one... can somebody with an xx13 model and a Zone 2 speaker setup please confirm that AirPlay can stream independently to Zone 2? (see step-by-step instructions quoted above)
Tried the following on a 2113:
- main zone and zone 2 powered on and playing fm source
- on iPad3 (iOS 5.1), play music and start AirPlay selecting 2113
- main zone switches to NETWORK and plays AirPlay, zone 2 remains on selected source
- selecting NETWORK for zone 2 behaves as expected: main continues playing and zone 2 also plays AirPlay
- selecting a non-network source in the main zone behaves as expected: zone 2 continues playing airplay while the main zone plays the selected (hdmi) source
- surprise: stopping/starting AirPlay in iPad keeps the main zone at the selected source while continuing play in zone 2 (didn't expect that one to happen :-)

So far so good!

Not working:
- the AirPlay volume (volume slider on the iPad) always effect the main zone - independent of the main zone source
- if neither the main or zone 2 is on the Network source, always the main zone will automatically switch to Airplay (so selecting AirPlay for zone 2 while not having NETWORK selected on zone 2 will switch the main source to AirPlay, not zone 2)

Ideally, Denon would provide separate AirPlay 'destinations' so any connected device could select to stream to either zone 1 or 2 (or both if supported by the AirPlay source).

The bigger restriction here seems to be that Denon (still) doesn't support independent network streams for each zone.
It doesn't seem possible to have Internet Radio on zone 2 while having AirPlay on the main zone (or the other way around)...
post #352 of 10457
Just got off the phone with Denon Support and they gave me the Network reset and it worked like a charm. Here is how to do it:

(1) Power off unit
(2) Hold down "Zone2 Source" AND "Dimmer" at the same time
(3) While holding down above two buttons turn unit back on
(4) Wait for display to blink in 1-second intervals and then you can release buttons
(5) This resets both the microprocessor as well as the network card
post #353 of 10457
^^
Thanks for posting this ... I'll update post #5 with the information.
post #354 of 10457
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by diddl14 View Post

So far so good!

Thank you for testing this smile.gif

Quote:
Not working:
- the AirPlay volume (volume slider on the iPad) always effect the main zone - independent of the main zone source

that's definitely annoying. I might report this to Denon tech support as it sounds like the type of thing that they may cure with a firmware update. Although it's possible that it might not be feasible since (as some of your other tests show) on some level Airplay still "hijacks" the whole receiver. So I guess you'd rather use the direct Zone 2 volume control for the Denon itself.

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- if neither the main or zone 2 is on the Network source, always the main zone will automatically switch to Airplay (so selecting AirPlay for zone 2 while not having NETWORK selected on zone 2 will switch the main source to AirPlay, not zone 2)

yeah, so it looks like there has to be an initial "hijack" and then you can navigate away. Just to be clear, if you are prescient enough to select "NETWORK" as the zone 2 source in advance, can you successfully fire up AirPlay without causing main zone to switch to NETWORK?

Quote:
The bigger restriction here seems to be that Denon (still) doesn't support independent network streams for each zone.
It doesn't seem possible to have Internet Radio on zone 2 while having AirPlay on the main zone (or the other way around)...

not surprising, I didn't expect Denon to be able to support multiple independent network streams, they didn't do this in past years either.
post #355 of 10457
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Just to be clear, if you are prescient enough to select "NETWORK" as the zone 2 source in advance, can you successfully fire up AirPlay without causing main zone to switch to NETWORK?
Good question. Looks like the answer is NO...

Only when zone 2 is left untouched, AirPlay will play to zone 2 on a reconnect.
So disconnecting AirPlay and switching Zone 2 to FM and back to NETWORK will again hijack all zones when AirPlay starts playing :-(
post #356 of 10457
Problem - no Dolby Digital or Dolby True HD sound modes on my Blu-Ray movies for my new Denon AVR-1613.
All I am getting is Multi-channel Stereo or 2 Channel. Tried three different Blu-rays with True HD.
Setup -
LG HD TV
Sony BluRay (S480)
The tv is connected to the concast cable by HDMI
The AVR-1613 is connected to the TV by HDMI at the monitor plug on the Reciever (rear)
The BluRay is connected to the AVR-1613 by HDMI
An opitcal cable is connected to TV and AVR
All works ok, just not getting the Digital Sound Modes for any BluRay movie.

Any suggestions...
Al...
post #357 of 10457
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Originally Posted by aaggoo View Post

Problem - no Dolby Digital or Dolby True HD sound modes on my Blu-Ray movies for my new Denon AVR-1613.
All I am getting is Multi-channel Stereo or 2 Channel. Tried three different Blu-rays with True HD.
Setup -
LG HD TV
Sony BluRay (S480)
The tv is connected to the concast cable by HDMI
The AVR-1613 is connected to the TV by HDMI at the monitor plug on the Reciever (rear)
The BluRay is connected to the AVR-1613 by HDMI
An opitcal cable is connected to TV and AVR
All works ok, just not getting the Digital Sound Modes for any BluRay movie.

Any suggestions...
Al...
Need to set the Sony blu to bitstream or direct mode for audio.
post #358 of 10457
Sony set to Audio (HDMI) is set to Auto
Dolby Digital set to Dolby Digital
DTS set to DTS.

Its got to be my setup (HDMI connections).
Thanks...

Anything else???
post #359 of 10457
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by aaggoo View Post

Problem - no Dolby Digital or Dolby True HD sound modes on my Blu-Ray movies for my new Denon AVR-1613.
All I am getting is Multi-channel Stereo or 2 Channel. Tried three different Blu-rays with True HD.
Setup -
LG HD TV
Sony BluRay (S480)
The tv is connected to the concast cable by HDMI
The AVR-1613 is connected to the TV by HDMI at the monitor plug on the Reciever (rear)
The BluRay is connected to the AVR-1613 by HDMI
An opitcal cable is connected to TV and AVR
All works ok, just not getting the Digital Sound Modes for any BluRay movie.

Any suggestions...
Al...
Need to set the Sony blu to bitstream or direct mode for audio.

Why is the Comcast HDMI into TV and not AVR? Are you sure your not sending the audio to the TV first then the optical is out to the AVR? Most TV's can't pass hd audio back out. Remove the optical send the blu into the bd input on AVR via hdmi only. Did you run the AVR setup and Select HDMI?
post #360 of 10457
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Originally Posted by aaggoo View Post

Problem - no Dolby Digital or Dolby True HD sound modes on my Blu-Ray movies for my new Denon AVR-1613.
All I am getting is Multi-channel Stereo or 2 Channel. Tried three different Blu-rays with True HD.
Setup -
LG HD TV
Sony BluRay (S480)
The tv is connected to the concast cable by HDMI
The AVR-1613 is connected to the TV by HDMI at the monitor plug on the Reciever (rear)
The BluRay is connected to the AVR-1613 by HDMI
An opitcal cable is connected to TV and AVR
All works ok, just not getting the Digital Sound Modes for any BluRay movie.
Any suggestions...
Al...

The S480 was likely connected to the TV previously and so was set up to play only stereo. Reset the S480 while connected to the AVR so it will know it's connected to an AVR that can play 5.1 surround audio.

Also ---> http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_50#user_L26
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