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post #3301 of 10468
Roger that. I have a 13x15 man cave set up with plasma TV and sound already and a custom touring bike with 6 Polk Audio speakers so I am trying to balance it here. She wants Apple TV, Airplay and an easy way to decent sound in the small room to access her own TV, chic flicks, music and impress her girlfriends with her new iPad. At some point I can introduce surround speakers to the 3.1 but I don't want to buy something yet that I won't use.

OK, how about what is the best way to set up the soundbar and sub? Is that best done manually and any experinced suggestions/instructions would be appreciated? I also need the easy way to switch back to the TV speakers if she is in a rush to watch The Good Wife she recorded!!!???? if I don't finish in time.rolleyes.gif
post #3302 of 10468
Thread Starter 
what is the exact model of the soundbar? If it is one that has normal speaker wire inputs for the L/R/C channels, then you just hook it up and calibrate normally like you would with three speakers. The receiver doesn't "know" that it's a soundbar.

you should be able to use the HDMI standby passthrough feature to switch to TV speakers for cable TV viewing. If the cable box is hooked up with HDMI, set HDMI Control to ON with the Standby Source designated as that HDMI input, and she should be able to turn on the TV with receiver powered off and it should pass through.
post #3303 of 10468
I apologize if this has already been answered but can anyone confirm whether or not the Iphone Denon App can thumbs-up/down a song when listening to Pandora?
post #3304 of 10468
Thread Starter 
My recollection is that it can't.
post #3305 of 10468
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

My recollection is that it can't.

Ah, that is a bummer. Oh well, thanks for the answer.

On a different topic I am wondering if the sound quality improves as you move up the Denon product line. This might be a stupid question but it seems like the more expensive models just have more features and functionality but I am not seeing much that would indicated improved audio performance.

I'm looking to replace an old hand-me-down Arcam AVR200 with a Denon 1613 and I'm concerned I'll notice a decline in sound quality since the Arcam retailed for $1,200 ten years ago.
post #3306 of 10468
Here is the link and this bar has 5 way posts for fronts, center and surrounds, http://reviews.cnet.com/speakers-speaker-systems/polk-audio-surroundbar-black/4505-6467_7-31556128.html
post #3307 of 10468
Thread Starter 
OK, then I would just hook it up normally with speaker wire to all five channels and let Audyssey calibrate it.
post #3308 of 10468
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Option View Post

On a different topic I am wondering if the sound quality improves as you move up the Denon product line. This might be a stupid question but it seems like the more expensive models just have more features and functionality but I am not seeing much that would indicated improved audio performance.

I'm looking to replace an old hand-me-down Arcam AVR200 with a Denon 1613 and I'm concerned I'll notice a decline in sound quality since the Arcam retailed for $1,200 ten years ago.

In general you can assume that the major determinant of sound quality will be the "flavor" of Audyssey MultEQ -- the models with XT will have better SQ than the models with regular MultEQ. Anecdotally, the top end (e.g. 3313ci in this year's lineup) may have a little more "refined" sound with its larger platform, better build, and AL24 processing, but I wouldn't pay a lot for what is likely to be a subtle difference at best.

So, in other words, I would skip the 1613 and go with the 1713 if you are going with a basic 5.1 model, so you can have the XT calibration.
post #3309 of 10468
By the way, thanks, batpig, my gal says she "might" be OK with surround speakers if they are not ALWAYS there!!??? Any suggestion on some small and reasonably priced surround speakers that could connect that way and work well with the Paradigms. I suppose I could then set the 2113 up with them connected and connect them only for movie viewing. Once she notices the difference and likes it who knows? Sounds like audio foreplay. After over 40 years you never know;)

I also got an e-mail tis morning suggesting the Energy Take Classic Five as a decent package but know nothing about them.
post #3310 of 10468
Thank you Batpig, that makes sense. I've already got a 1613 on the way thanks to the Black Friday $270 promotional price but if I'm not satisfied after setting it up, I'll keep my eye out for a good price on the 1713. (Maybe there will be more promotional pricing as we get closer to Xmas).
post #3311 of 10468
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Originally Posted by DGCanuck View Post

By the way, thanks, batpig, my gal says she "might" be OK with surround speakers if they are not ALWAYS there!!??? Any suggestion on some small and reasonably priced surround speakers that could connect that way and work well with the Paradigms. I suppose I could then set the 2113 up with them connected and connect them only for movie viewing. Once she notices the difference and likes it who knows? Sounds like audio foreplay. After over 40 years you never know;).

man, like I said before, this is something you're going to have to work out with the missus. I don't know about having them "not there all the time", seems like a huge pain. IMO, this sounds like a job for in-wall or in-ceiling speakers, so they will be effectively invisible at all times.

a pair of these would work perfectly: http://www.crutchfield.com/S-v17V1bwiHPj/p_732RC6CST/Energy-RC-6Cst.html

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I also got an e-mail tis morning suggesting the Energy Take Classic Five as a decent package but know nothing about them.

The Take Classic is a nice setup but the thing to realize is they are TINY speakers. They will not hold a candle to the big Paradigm 5SE towers you already have. So, like the soundbar, they should only be considered if you are willing to compromise the overall sound quality for the sake of pleasing the wife. But, given that you already own the soundbar, buying something else for that purpose seems silly. If you are in compromise land, just use the soundbar you already have.
post #3312 of 10468
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Originally Posted by wesslan1 View Post

What do guys think of the possibility for MultEQ XT32 to be added to either 33xx or 38xx range next year? Don't want a 4520 since it´s overkill for me but still want the XT32.

Not at all likely on the 33XX and definitely not on the 38XX series as it ended about 5 years ago.
post #3313 of 10468
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Originally Posted by arnyk View Post

I don't know why you are giving even a second's thought to the soundbar or the Titan 3s, given that you already have the 5se's, the 170 and the PSW10.
Let the Audyssey Pro in the Denon 1713 do the matching for you, given how close to good you already are.

Audyssey Pro? You mean Audyssey MultEQ XT.
post #3314 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Option View Post

I'm looking to replace an old hand-me-down Arcam AVR200 with a Denon 1613 and I'm concerned I'll notice a decline in sound quality since the Arcam retailed for $1,200 ten years ago.

Audyssey MultEQ should provide some improvement which former Denon 3800/2 owners (MSRP ~ $1000) noticed as well.
post #3315 of 10468
Thanks again batpig. I had a look at my friends renovation that included in-wall and in-celing speakers. Looks and sounds good and I had not considered it. We have some renovations scheduled for spring so I will look at the option then.
post #3316 of 10468
Hi all,

Sending back my Onkyo, bought a 1713!

I have a question for current owners - Does it decode DTS-HD Master Audio? There seems to be a discrepancy between specs listed on Denon's site, which says the 1713 can't do it, and every other site on the internet, which all say it can.

Denon site:

http://usa.denon.com/US/Product/Pages/productcomparision.aspx?pIDs=AVR1513(DenonNA)|AVR1613(DenonNA)|AVR1713(DenonNA)|AVR1913(DenonNA)&catID=AVReceivers(DenonNA)

Everywhere else:

https://www.google.ca/search?q=denon+1713+DTs-HD+Master+audio&rlz=1C5CHFA_enCA503CA503&oq=Denon+1713+DTS-HD+Master+audio&aqs=chrome.0.59j60j62l3.7951&sugexp=chrome,mod=11&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Something seems amiss here - According to the comparison chart, every model BUT the 1713 (including the two step-down models) do DTS HD Master...
Edited by chrisinvan - 11/27/12 at 9:34pm
post #3317 of 10468
Just received and played with my 1613 for about an hour. I played around with some audio settings just to get used to using it then I did audyssey. Now my problem is, is that I can't change the base level anymore. It's grayed out. Like I said I only got an hour with it but would really like to know how to change the base level.
post #3318 of 10468
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Originally Posted by DGCanuck View Post

Sorry I may have posted this twice. Still getting used to the forum navigation.
I just picked up a 1713 for $299 and I am looking at options for speakers in a small 12x12 family room. I have a pair of Paradigm 5SEMk3s for fronts and a Paradigm CC170 for center channel and, for now, a Polk Audio PSW10 Sub. I could also use a pair of Paradigm Titan 3s for the fronts as probably a better match to the CC170. I think the proper match for the SEs is a CC300.
I also have a rarely used 42" unpowered Polk Audio Soundbar Black model that I could use withe PSW10. Right now the wife is balking at surround speakers because of decor and this install is mostly for TV, some movies and music. I will also be hooking up a Samsung series 6, 650 TV (no Arc), an HDTV cable box, blue ray and Apple TV.
So 3.1 with the Paradigms or try the Soundbar to please the wife's decor and budget outlook?
From the cd manual it looks like the auto calibration for the 3.1 will work but I gather that the auto setup won't work with the soundbar so any advice or links on setup to try that would be appreciated.

And where did you get it?
post #3319 of 10468
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Originally Posted by 64deuce View Post

Just received and played with my 1613 for about an hour. I played around with some audio settings just to get used to using it then I did audyssey. Now my problem is, is that I can't change the base level anymore. It's grayed out. Like I said I only got an hour with it but would really like to know how to change the base level.

Tone Control (p. 82 OM). Dyn EQ must be set to OFF to adjust the Bass setting.
post #3320 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Jagged68 View Post

Thanks Batpig. I know it's not a fair comparison, but the price points are identical @$650 (haven't seen the 2113CI cheaper yet). I just don't know if I need the higher end receiver since I probably won't use all those modes and I like the Denon UI and Airplay. I just know the 818 is so much more of a beast that I should probably just get it at this price even if I don't use its full functionality.
i called all over (sites on this forum E Expot, Vanns, also One Call) - none had the 2113CI for less than $599 , BBuy matched that price, this was end of August .

The 2112's if you could find one remaining were near $499 but not the 2113 . That's nice if you can find an auth dealer 2113CI for $499 - in that case i'd move up and get a higher model in the $600 range.

heck i wish badly i would have gotten the 3313CI (HD radio, AM radio, custom 2ch stereo mode, better amps, much higher power rating, pre-amp outs etc.)
post #3321 of 10468
I would imagine this is already answered but at 111 pages, there is a lot of reading to catch up on!

That said, does the 2113 output the 2nd zone to the speaker posts and the zone 2 pre-out simultaneously? What I am trying to do is have my main 5.1 setup, a 2nd 2-channel zone and then another 2-channel setup that plays the same source as zone 2, but that can be turned on and off by turning the external amp on and off. Is that possible with the 2113?

Thanks.
post #3322 of 10468
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Originally Posted by hushdrops View Post

i called all over (sites on this forum E Expot, Vanns, also One Call) - none had the 2113CI for less than $599 , BBuy matched that price, this was end of August .
The 2112's if you could find one remaining were near $499 but not the 2113 . That's nice if you can find an auth dealer 2113CI for $499 - in that case i'd move up and get a higher model in the $600 range.
heck i wish badly i would have gotten the 3313CI (HD radio, AM radio, custom 2ch stereo mode, better amps, much higher power rating, pre-amp outs etc.)

If you're okay with a factory refurb that comes with a 1yr Denon warranty, you can pick up the 2113CI for $399 from accessories4less. Mine is being delivered tomorrow.
post #3323 of 10468
Ordered a 3313CI last night. It's sort of an upgrade. I currently have a pioneer elite vsx-92. It didn't allow BD 3d passthrough, so I had to either upgrade or lose lossless audio which was wasn't about to do. I really wanted another PE receiver, but there isn't anyone in the near area that sells them. At least I can get the Denon shipped to me. Hopefully I'm satisfied with my purchase.
post #3324 of 10468
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by chrisinvan View Post

Hi all,

Sending back my Onkyo, bought a 1713!

I have a question for current owners - Does it decode DTS-HD Master Audio?

of course it does, EVERY receiver with HDMI does now and has for years.

if something seems amiss with info you get online, it probably is.
post #3325 of 10468
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Originally Posted by DGCanuck View Post

I just picked up a 1713 for $299

Oh wow, can you tell me where you got a 1713 for $299? I got a 1613 for $270 but I'm considering returning it for the 1713 and will probably do so if I can get the 1713 for $299.
post #3326 of 10468
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Originally Posted by bigoz89 View Post

I would imagine this is already answered but at 111 pages, there is a lot of reading to catch up on!

That said, does the 2113 output the 2nd zone to the speaker posts and the zone 2 pre-out simultaneously? What I am trying to do is have my main 5.1 setup, a 2nd 2-channel zone and then another 2-channel setup that plays the same source as zone 2, but that can be turned on and off by turning the external amp on and off. Is that possible with the 2113?

Thanks.

I believe it does, but be aware that the Zone 2 pre-outs are fixed volume (line level) so you will need to provide external volume control.

Another option is to simply use the pre-outs for both zones and feed an amp with A/B switching, which will allow you to turn off either/both independently external from the receiver.
post #3327 of 10468
Dynaudio and others;
I got the 1713 from a Canadian store called Futureshop. It is now owned by BestBuy. Futureshop has a VIP sale before Black Friday which is now becoming a big sale day here. I paid $349 then it dropped to $319 for Black Friday weekend so I got the credit back and then $20 on a "best it by 10%" policy. If it drops more over our Boxing Week sales, I could get more off but I doubt it.

Boxing Day time I will be looking for another Sub. Just for comparisons an Onkyo 414 could be had for $369 and a Yamaha 473 for $329. I usually look at Amazon.co for comparisons but I like to deal with local stores to assist the community and they have a 30 day return for full refund policy.
post #3328 of 10468
I've seen that if you are having problems with your Denon, you may need to reset the microprocessor which wipes out all your settings. How common is it for this to become necessary? I am wondering if the 1713's ability to save your receiver settings to a PC would make it a worth the extra $50-60 it would cost me over the 1613 I just picked up for $270.
post #3329 of 10468
Thread Starter 
there are so many reasons that the 1713 is worth it over the 1613.

microprocessor resets are rare, don't be mislead by internet forums where most people post to complain about problems. People don't post just to say "everything is working great!".

I can tell you, personally, in my experience, having owned many Denon units, I have NEVER performed a microprocessor reset other than when intentionally trying to start with a "blank slate" (e.g. after buying a used or open box model or before selling one).
post #3330 of 10468
Option I see the reset option in the manual but not the save settings option. Is that done through the USB port? I was planning to test some other equipment going forward so that would be useful. I also wanted the ability to adjust settings like db to center channel without messing up the original auto calibration but it seems I should be able to do that through the listening modes?
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