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post #3451 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Note however, that you will be limited to only stereo 2.0 using ARC, while if you connect an optical cable from the TV to the AVR, you will also get DD 5.1 (eg. Netflix).http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_E5

eek.gif Sometime, one searches for complicated solutions when in fact, it's easy as pie and dictated by common sense. Thank you, I can now stream movies in DD from CinemaNow on my tv:)
post #3452 of 10468
Yup ... sometimes technology advancements aren't all they're cracked up to be. wink.gif
post #3453 of 10468
Just purchased the 2113ci and a new Panasonic plasma TV. Is there a way to use the TV's built-in speakers as the 5.1 center channel?
post #3454 of 10468
Not a good idea even if you could. If TV/movie viewing will make up the majority of your listening experience, the center speaker quality should be at least as good as the FL/FR speakers if not better as that is where 85%+ of the dialog will come from. You likely purchased a surround sound system because you didn't like the quality of the TV's speakers ... so why use them now? At the very least, go without a center speaker until you can afford a quality unit, ideally from the same mfr as your FL/FR speakers.
post #3455 of 10468
Hey Guys,
I've been using Airplay this morning for the first time on my new 1713. Everything was going fine until now my iPad says denon avr 1713 is being used by someone else. I've found one other post where it was recomended to try unplugging for 10 min. And/or possibly a microprocessor reset. Has this been a common issue? Does a reset generally fix for good?
Thanks
Joe
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post #3457 of 10468
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Correct. Zone 2 ONLY accepts analog connected sources so if you have a source that doesn't have analog outputs, you'll need to purchase a 3rd party DAC that can convert the audio to analog.
per jdsmoothie
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IMO - if you are going to have another receiver in the same rack for the 2ch setup, and you already have to run extra cables, might as well just make direct connections from the components to the 2nd receiver (i.e. not even using zone 2 of the Denon as the "switcher"). Then it will be like two "parallel" setups, with the old boss powering the Paradigms for 2ch. If you want to access the Denon streaming sources you can still make an analog pre out connection from the 1713 to the 2nd receiver, but it will just be another input on the 2nd receiver. Just another option to consider.
per batpig

I may have to diagram all this out.

If Apple TV v3 only has digital outs then it does not look like I can use the Denon analog pre-outs without a DAC converter. (The old AppleTV has analog out). The BlueRay does have HDMI, TosLink and analog outs. So I guess I could use the analog either direct to old Boss or using the Denon pre-outs and Zone 2? Of course that's handling CDs so no access to iTunes.

I am surely hoping one or the other works. Maybe I should have kept that old Sony 5 disc player or plug in the older AppleTV with analog out just for Boss 2 as a parallel install as suggested. Component in to TV should be OK for screen info.

There is only 2 digital inputs on the 1713 so I am hoping HDMI is all I will need for BlueRay, ATV and the CableSat. There is only one each of TsLink and Digital Coax if I have a problem? My old Onkyo 506 (mancave Boss) has 2 each.

Thanks both of you for the suggestions, tips and patience.
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post #3459 of 10468
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Originally Posted by coffeeguy57 View Post

I set mine up 2 days ago, got my HDMI to play nice, went through a bunch of material last night i know well, mine sounds very different coming from my Onkyo HT-Rc180. I didnt think it would make much difference. I haven't done Audessy set up yet just basic level and distance to get it fired up.
A lot of the differences i like. It seems much more robust in the mid bass regions and in dialog intelligibility, My Onkyo always seemed lacking in this region and I was contemplating some new speakers, I was amazed at the difference.

Dialog is more intelligible for sure. It could be my settings but it just lacks "energy". The audio sounds rather dull. Yeah when you get a nice bass section it plays nice, but otherwise, it just sounds flat.
post #3460 of 10468
Airplay issue update. I went the unplug route first for 10 min. And that worked. However, now I don't have any song info or cover art. Looks like I am headed for a microprocessor reset...
post #3461 of 10468
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An optical --> analog converter and optical switch are fairly inexpensive from forum sponsor Monoprice ...

Thanks again, MarkEJansen linked the DAC but the Toslink switch is pretty cool. I am going to need to surf around their website some.

Looking at some previous posts, are there fewer issue with Airplay if you stick with Zone 1 on the xx13s?

Now that the wife thinks the Polk Audio TL250's are cute and stylish, it's time to get this 5.1 setup going now.rolleyes.gif
post #3462 of 10468
I feel pretty dumb about this so please bear with me as I expain my problem.

For starters, I have an AVR-1613 receiver (Best Buy Black Friday) and Polk RM700 Speakers (Amazon Cyber Week). For some reason I cannot get the audio to perform when using the Network or iPod/USB setting. The audio skips in/out on a consistent basis. 2-3 seconds of audio, 1-2 seconds of nothing, 2-3 seconds of audio, rinse and repeat indefinitely. While this is going on I can see the PCM icon flash on/off in sync with the audio drops so I was chalking it up to something involving the input settings for the Network and iPod/USB settings.

When using the BluRay, CBL/SAT, and Game setting we're very pleased with the outcome. But the Network and iPod/USB issue has got us frutrated enough to want to return the receiver and I don't really want to do that...I just want it to work properly!

I've been a Denon customer for a very long time and I am upgrading from an AVR-1803 and Bose Acoustimass 10 we've had for roughly 10 years. The Bose has a passive sub and wasn't really doing much for us. We're also budget conscious to a degree so we don't upgrade all that often.

When I had the AVR-1613 connected to the Bose speakers for a couple days, no issues, no audio drops. When adding the Polk speakers to the equation we've now got this problem. It seems receiver output signal related but I've tried multiple settings and can't seem to figure it out.

Please help!
post #3463 of 10468
How is your AVR connected to your router .... via cable or using a wireless bridge? Try unplugging the power cable to the AVR for a few minutes.
post #3464 of 10468
Hi all,

I have the 2113 and have had no problems but now I can no longer sing into Pandora? I put in my user ID and password and then click Okay, and the receiver does nothing. I can even enter a ID/password that I know is wrong and it still doesnt do anything (like say incorrect...). I can sing into Pandora through my roku just fine. Anybody else having this issue, what recommendations do you all have to fix?
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Thread Starter 
Everyone is having this issue. It's a new bug, use the search tool or read a few posts back.
post #3466 of 10468
I have looked and looked and would like a confirmation about a possible setup. I will be retiring the 3801 and Panasonic bd-85 for the 3313 and oppo-103. While I have no problems watching things through the receiver my wife and kids usually just like turning on the TV and watching a bluray or the Roku. With the OPPO I can set it up so that when the receiver is not on sound will be fed to the TV via the hdmi directly hooked to it (2nd hdmi out to receiver for sound only) - that problem solved. What I am trying to confirm is that there is a setting so that I can have a specific input pass through the hdmi signal from the Roku to the TV when the receiver is in standby so they can watch without having to power on everything (but when I watch I can have the receiver on to utilize the 5.1 from the Roku). Hopefully I explained this well enough.

Thank you to all those who can interpret what I wrote and respond.
post #3467 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Musicman17 View Post

Yes I saw the Onkyo receivers had alot of issues when I looked into the 515. My older Onkyo is rock solid but just HDMI challenged but i saw too many issues when searching the net. Hence why I choose to order the Denon 2112 over the Onkyo 515. I love saving money but hate having problems more wink.gif. Of course, since I am getting the 2113 instead of the 2112 I ordered, I am saving money and hopefully will have no problems.
As I wait for delivery I decided to buy the Roomie remote. Anyone using the xx13's have any experience on hw well it works with the Denon? If it works well, I want to order a wifi IR iTach to control everything.
I know this is an old posting but curious how you like the Roomie app with your Denon? Just got the 2113ci and was looking at getting Roomie. Anyone else using Roomie with their Denon? Curious if IP control works for everything or if there are things you require the IR emitter. Is there enough benefit to RS232 control to justify buying the iTach IP-to-RS232 interface (~$100).
post #3468 of 10468
Just got my 1713, had the 1613. Looking at hooking up orb speakers, i have a sub woofer so just 4 single orbs one double center speaker. also I noticed orb sells Denon on their website. Does anyone have any experience with orb? (Smaller family room application)
post #3469 of 10468
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Originally Posted by DGCanuck View Post

Thanks, but does that mean I would need analog connections to the Blueray or say an AppleTV v3 that has no analog connectors or is it just that the Denon dums it down from the existing HDMI digital connections when using the Denon analog outs?
My apologies if this is obvious but this is an important interim solution until I can matchup good home theater speakers and reasonably pure music stereo in the same room.

In my case, I wound up re-using my older AVR-888 to run zone 2, so the HDMI stuff works just fine with that. The only new niggle I'm running into is now that I can play HD audio codecs (DTS-HD and/or Dolby TrueHD) the AVR-888 can't handle it, so those tracks cause silent. On a BR player this isn't as big of a deal, since they can usually downconvert to PCM... but I don't think that XBMC can do it yet, though I might be wrong about that.
post #3470 of 10468
Thanks Strider,good to know. I think I found the answer for my application with input from batpig and smoothie. I have too many older spare receivers but my friend now has a spare Sony STR-DH520 that I can stuff into the media rack and use just for music from the bigger fronts. Thanks to links I got I surfed around looking at connection options.
post #3471 of 10468
Hi Everyone,

I recently purchased a Denon 2113 as a replacement for my aging(feature-wise anyway...) Pioneer VSX 1018 and one of the first things I noticed was when it was turned out there was a quietish but noticable buzz/hum coming from the receiver itself. Strangely enough the noise would get louder when the receiver was in standby mode, but would quieten down a bit if it was being fed a signal in HDMI Standy Passthrough. I also noticed during my troubleshooting that if I unplugged the ethernet cable the sound would go away for a second then come back again.
I figured it may be a problem with the receiver so I ended up getting a Denon 2313 as a replacement and it does the exact same thing with the exact same symptoms.
Is this a normal thing for Denon amps? It just seems to much of a coincedence that both receivers would have the same fault so I can only imagine this is normal behaviour? Any settings I can try to reduce this?
It's just that my Pioneer was pretty much silent so I find this to be a bit annoying.
post #3472 of 10468
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Originally Posted by mgendell View Post

I know this is an old posting but curious how you like the Roomie app with your Denon? Just got the 2113ci and was looking at getting Roomie. Anyone else using Roomie with their Denon? Curious if IP control works for everything or if there are things you require the IR emitter. Is there enough benefit to RS232 control to justify buying the iTach IP-to-RS232 interface (~$100).

Does this iTach interface allow control of the Denon AVR via the RS232 port (using it's funky 15-bit word)?

Do you have a link to it's web site for more information (I've been searching but can't find anything)?

Thanks,
post #3473 of 10468
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Originally Posted by MarkEHansen View Post

Does this iTach interface allow control of the Denon AVR via the RS232 port (using it's funky 15-bit word)?
Do you have a link to it's web site for more information (I've been searching but can't find anything)?
Thanks,
Yes. The iTach IP2SL (Ethernet) or WF2SL (WiFi) allow remote control of Denon receivers via the serial/RS232 port over the network.

The iTach is just the hardware though, you also need software to drive it. Roomie is an iOS-based app that does this, but there are others. The Roomie app web page is here: http://www.roomieremote.com/. The FAQ page specifically discusses Denon receivers: http://www.roomieremote.com/faq/#

The iTach devices are made by a company called Global Caché which is here: http://www.globalcache.com

Roomie also can control devices via IR (using the iTac IP2IR or WF2IR) or directly via IP if the device supports IP-based control. I don't have any experience with either Roomie or the iTach devices though, which prompted my question about what the best way is to control the Denon receiver (i.e., via IP, IR or RS232).
post #3474 of 10468
Smoothie... Thanks! Can you briefly describe the setup and advantages of having an Apple TV and the 1913.
post #3475 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

First, understand that ALL HDMI cables surpport ARC, rather an HDMI cable is only limited by what "video" it can pass, either 1080p (High Speed) or lower resolution (Standard Speed). To enable ARC, you must set VierraLink on the TV to ON as well as to "external speakers" and then also set HDMI Control on the AVR to ON as well. Note however, that you will be limited to only stereo 2.0 using ARC, while if you connect an optical cable from the TV to the AVR, you will also get DD 5.1 (eg. Netflix).
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_E5
Thanks! I'm not sure how I missed it but I had the HDMI Control set to off. Also, thanks for pointing out the stereo 2.0 limitations. I was under the impression that ARC could do basic DD. Guess I'll have to get myself an optical cable.
post #3476 of 10468
Just set up my 1713 for the first time. The microphone test work great. I currently have a 10" polk subwoofer, but im replacing it with a bic f12. Should i redo the microphone set up with the bic sub, or just use the set up i did with the 10" polk and maunually turn the down the bic.
post #3477 of 10468
Rerun audessey it's a different sub so it show be reran.
post #3478 of 10468
Great, thanks.
post #3479 of 10468
Hi!

Just picked up my 1913 tonight. Working well so far with one small issue. After awhile, the video overlay stops working. For example, volume does not show on screen, info does not etc.

If I switch inputs, then it starts working again. Is this normal?
post #3480 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Hillhounds View Post

Smoothie... Thanks! Can you briefly describe the setup and advantages of having an Apple TV and the 1913.

The ATV would be connected via HDMI (and via RCA using optical--> analog converter if you want to pass the audio to Zone 2) and then selected as a source like any other device with no interruption of the main zone when passing an Airplay source (eg. from a smart phone) to Zone 2.
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