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Can the 1713 decode DTS-HD and DolbyTrue HD in an m2ts container using LAV and MPC-HC?
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Not likely, no. Refer to p. 46 in the OM for the acceptable file formats.
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Thanks, jd, appreciate it.

One other thing is baffling me - When I switch to 'Stereo' listening mode (for Airplay, CDs, etc.) I don't seem to get any sound out of the subwoofer.

I had to change the Subwoofer setting in one of the menus (Speakers>manual setup>subwoofer mode) from LFE to LFE+Main - doing this I'm able to get bass from the sub.

But I'm worried about what that's doing to my overall tonal balance I just calibrated using Audyssey. Is there a 'proper' way to 2.1 sound?
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If you don't want to use LFE+MAIN (aka "double bass") for stereo, you need to make sure the fronts are set to "small", which activates bass management. Also ensure the crossover is set high enough so the sub actually gets content with music, i.e. 80hz.
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Not likely, no. Refer to p. 46 in the OM for the acceptable file formats.

Bah. I bought this receiver under the assumption that it could decode HD audio streamed to it in an MKV or m2ts container with the right video card.

If I understand you right JD, you're saying this receiver will only decode HD audio when the source is an actual blu-ray? If so, that would explain why I've had such difficulty getting the setup to work as I've described above.

Can someone confirm that jdsmoothie is right on this for me?

If he is, I expect I'll be returning this receiver. As a replacement, I'll be looking for something that can decode HD audio streamed in an m2ts container with LAV and MPC-HC. Any recommendations for a receiver that can do this?
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gliese - do you have a PS3? I've had luck streaming high def LPCM audio using media server software on my computer, wrapped in just about every type of container. The amp doesn't correctly report the type of signal being received, but it will play back, at HD bitrates.
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batpig - I just re-ran Audyssey (it only offered 6 listening positions with my 5.1 setup) and it automatically set my fronts to Large, but I'll manually change them and manually bump the crossovers to 80.

Doing this (moving everything below 80Hz to the sub) will I still benefit from the EQed frequencies? The Parameter check menu only reports equalization performed on L C R LS RS, not for the sub.
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Bought a AVR-1713 for $319.99 + tax = ~$360. So excited to set it up once the projector and such is mounted and room is ready. I was hoping for 7.1 but can't find anything around $350 here in Canada. I prefer having network capability so I settled for 5.1
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Originally Posted by chrisinvan View Post

gliese - do you have a PS3? I've had luck streaming high def LPCM audio using media server software on my computer, wrapped in just about every type of container. The amp doesn't correctly report the type of signal being received, but it will play back, at HD bitrates.

Mind letting me know a bit more about your setup. Feel free to send me a PM.
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Originally Posted by gliese581g View Post

Can the 1713 decode DTS-HD and DolbyTrue HD in an m2ts container using LAV and MPC-HC?

Do you mean sending the file itself to the receiver, or playing the file on your computer with the DTS-HD being bitstreamed over HDMI? If the latter, then yeah, the container format is irrelevant, your computer decodes the container, decodes the video, and sends it along with the audio over the HDMI link. I have this going now running XBMC 12 Frodo (Beta). I can now get the HD audio codecs to play out over my Denon.
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Originally Posted by chrisinvan View Post

batpig - I just re-ran Audyssey (it only offered 6 listening positions with my 5.1 setup) and it automatically set my fronts to Large, but I'll manually change them and manually bump the crossovers to 80.

Doing this (moving everything below 80Hz to the sub) will I still benefit from the EQed frequencies? The Parameter check menu only reports equalization performed on L C R LS RS, not for the sub.

Not only do you benefit, you benefit MORE because Audyssey devotes most of its filter power to the subwoofer channel. Forget about the parameter check, those graphs are just crude approximations.

All of this is Audyssey 101 btw.... Have you checked out the FAQ / 101 info?
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I just got my 1713 and am trying to set my Harmony 900 remote. Using the 7.8.1 software on a Mac OS X 10.8.2. My issue is with zones - Harmony doesn't seem to recognize that the AVR-1713 can control 2 zones and thus this option is not available in the setup when adding the device - is this a known issue and is there a work around?
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batpig, I've done a bunch of hours of research, but for sure I'll read through the FAQs to try to fill in some of the gaps, now that I own a Denon... thanks for the clarification about the crossover point.
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Originally Posted by gliese581g View Post

Mind letting me know a bit more about your setup. Feel free to send me a PM.

In my setup, the Playstation 3 does the decoding, and then feeds the receiver LPCM audio. It's played every file format I've thrown at it. File streams wirelessly from my computer to the PS3 and gets decoded, and then the PS3 passes the signal to the receiver via HDMI.

In general you usually have a choice whether to have the AV receiver do the decoding, or have the player decode it before it's sent to the receiver.
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Cross-post from the remote app thread:

Wondering about the Denon Remote App for iPhone:

I can't get source/input buttons to work - for example if I put CBL/SAT in one of the slots, it's greyed out. I'm only able to change sources by assigning Quickselect to one of the slots. Anyone know how this works?


Also wondering about the Status button on the unit itself (I have a 1713):

It's handy being able to see how many channels are playing, the sampling rate, etc. as I'm often playing files from my computer and want to verify they're playing correctly... so I've been using this button quite a bit. But it's on the unit (requiring getting up). Is there a way to display Status information onscreen, using the remote (or remote app)?

Thanks,

Chris
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Originally Posted by chrisinvan View Post

In my setup, the Playstation 3 does the decoding, and then feeds the receiver LPCM audio. It's played every file format I've thrown at it. File streams wirelessly from my computer to the PS3 and gets decoded, and then the PS3 passes the signal to the receiver via HDMI.
In general you usually have a choice whether to have the AV receiver do the decoding, or have the player decode it before it's sent to the receiver.

I can remember back when I used my PS3, I used to have problems with m2ts containers using VC-1 for video.

What program and settings are you using? This isn't a problem anymore, I take it. This was a few years ago when I was last using my PS3. Is your computer reencoding VC1 on the fly?
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Originally Posted by Strider- View Post

Do you mean sending the file itself to the receiver, or playing the file on your computer with the DTS-HD being bitstreamed over HDMI? If the latter, then yeah, the container format is irrelevant, your computer decodes the container, decodes the video, and sends it along with the audio over the HDMI link. I have this going now running XBMC 12 Frodo (Beta). I can now get the HD audio codecs to play out over my Denon.

It's the latter.

I'm glad to know you have it working. Now it's just a matter of me getting it to work.

So in your setup, does the receiver light up with Dolby HD/DTS-HD? Or do you select Direct or one of those other options

Mind elaborating a bit on how you've set things up? I was experimenting with XBMC 12 Frodo yesterday, but I didn't manage to get it working. You have a guide you can point me to? What settings do you use inside XBMC? And are you using the default media player that comes with it? I found it to be very choppy last night. When I was using XBMC a few years ago, I had a script that just automatically opened up MPC-HC when I selected a file. I'd like to use that method again if I can get it to bitstream the HD audio to the receiver for decoding.

If I can get this working through MPC-HC, that would be ideal. But I will use whatever programs are necessary to get this working if I have to use something else.
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Originally Posted by gliese581g View Post

It's the latter.
I'm glad to know you have it working. Now it's just a matter of me getting it to work.
So in your setup, does the receiver light up with Dolby HD/DTS-HD? Or do you select Direct or one of those other options
Mind elaborating a bit on how you've set things up? I was experimenting with XBMC 12 Frodo yesterday, but I didn't manage to get it working. You have a guide you can point me to? What settings do you use inside XBMC? And are you using the default media player that comes with it? I found it to be very choppy last night. When I was using XBMC a few years ago, I had a script that just automatically opened up MPC-HC when I selected a file. I'd like to use that method again if I can get it to bitstream the HD audio to the receiver for decoding.
If I can get this working through MPC-HC, that would be ideal. But I will use whatever programs are necessary to get this working if I have to use something else.

Well, the xx13 receivers don't have the HD light any more, but if I hit the info button on the remote it shows that it's getting the HD codecs.

My HTPC is a bit of a home brew job, running Debian Linux, and I've been installing XBMC from one of the ubuntu ppa's to get Frodo. I'm a Mac and Unix user, so I know pretty much nothing about Windows, so I don't know that I can help you much on that front, but I do suspect that it has to do with your video card, as some can pass the HD audio codecs and some can't, and it also depends on the drivers. In my case, the little box I'm using has NVidia ION2 graphics, which works fine, but AMD/ATI graphics chipsets can be problematic.

One thing you might want to look at if you don't just want to run this as an app on your existing machine is openelec. It's a pre-built HTPC setup, designed to boot off a thumb drive or similar.
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Bought a AVR-1713 for $319.99 + tax = ~$360. So excited to set it up once the projector and such is mounted and room is ready. I was hoping for 7.1 but can't find anything around $350 here in Canada. I prefer having network capability so I settled for 5.1
Congrats, I bet that's Futureshop where I got mine. Make sure you keep checking prices. Although not likely, the Denon may drop again slightly over Boxing Week and they give you the difference. I have to Jan. 6 on all the gear bought during VIP Day and Black Friday. ENJOY!!
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Originally Posted by Strider- View Post

Well, the xx13 receivers don't have the HD light any more, but if I hit the info button on the remote it shows that it's getting the HD codecs.
My HTPC is a bit of a home brew job, running Debian Linux, and I've been installing XBMC from one of the ubuntu ppa's to get Frodo. I'm a Mac and Unix user, so I know pretty much nothing about Windows, so I don't know that I can help you much on that front, but I do suspect that it has to do with your video card, as some can pass the HD audio codecs and some can't, and it also depends on the drivers. In my case, the little box I'm using has NVidia ION2 graphics, which works fine, but AMD/ATI graphics chipsets can be problematic.
One thing you might want to look at if you don't just want to run this as an app on your existing machine is openelec. It's a pre-built HTPC setup, designed to boot off a thumb drive or similar.

I'm using the GT-520, so my understanding is that it should work with this card. I haven't tried updating the drivers though, so I will definitely do that and just screw around a bit.

As for the receiver not lighting up, I'm a bit confused. In this stock photo, the receiver shows Dolby HD.

http://bmimages.jr.com/productimages/DNNAVR1713.PNG?QLT=85&FTR=3&BGCOLOR=FFFFFF&CVT=jpeg
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double post. sorry.
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Originally Posted by spyder67 View Post

Can someone please help me in figuring out how to play the TV Audio through my Denon 2113CI? I have a Samsung 3D TV ( UN55ES 8000) that I am trying to play audio from the tv, directly through my speakers, via the AV receiver. The audio source I have tried so far (on the tv) are Youtube, netflix, pandora and all the smart hub stuff loaded onto the tv, but none will play through my AV (but plays through my tv speakers). Here is my configuration: I have my cable box connected to my AV via HDMI. My DVD is also connected this way. The Denon AV then HDMI out to my Samsung TV. aLL Components (sound to external speakers) worked going in the direction -from the DVD player or cable box through the AV receiver --to the tv, but no sound can be played backward when the tv is the source sound.
I called Denon and they told me to turn off the "anynet" (which supposedly give up control from the tv or DVD player to the AVR), but still a no go. Has anyone else had this problem and how did you fixed it. BTW, I also have turned on HDMI control in HDMI setup in the AV Denon, but still a no go. Any help is appreciated in finding solution. I am starting to belive that a 1-month system cannot be faulty already. This is the first time I have tried using the tv audio mode on the receiver.
BTW, my Onkyo did this flawlessly and effortlessly.

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

You must turn ON the HDMI-CEC feature (Anynet+) on the TV as well as set audio to "external speakers. Ensure the HDMI cable from the AVR is plugged into the HDMI(ARC) input on the TV (generally #2). Then set HDMI Control on the AVR to On and you should be good to go.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_E5

I have this exact same issue with my ES8000 series Samsung. I forgot to turn HDMI control on to see if that will work, so I will try that tonight.
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Originally Posted by gliese581g View Post

As for the receiver not lighting up, I'm a bit confused. In this stock photo, the receiver shows Dolby HD.
http://bmimages.jr.com/productimages/DNNAVR1713.PNG?QLT=85&FTR=3&BGCOLOR=FFFFFF&CVT=jpeg

Oh, ok, yeah the dot matrix will show it, it just no longer has a dedicated "HD" light, as the xx12s and previous did.
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Originally Posted by DrEwe View Post

I just got my 1713 and am trying to set my Harmony 900 remote. Using the 7.8.1 software on a Mac OS X 10.8.2. My issue is with zones - Harmony doesn't seem to recognize that the AVR-1713 can control 2 zones and thus this option is not available in the setup when adding the device - is this a known issue and is there a work around?

Yeah, the Harmony software doesn't always do the 2nd zone commands natively. Your best bet is to simply "teach" the correct commands to the remote using the learning function and the original Denon remote. Thankfully for Zone 2 there aren't a lot of commands, really just power on/off and input selection. The 1713 can't control Zone 2 volume (the pre-outs are line level fixed) so that's all you really need to learn.
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Originally Posted by chrisinvan View Post

I can't get source/input buttons to work - for example if I put CBL/SAT in one of the slots, it's greyed out. I'm only able to change sources by assigning Quickselect to one of the slots. Anyone know how this works?

That's a little weird, it works fine for me on my iPhone. What about when you do source selection the regular way, not using the eight assignable slots at the bottom, but just pressing the source icon above on the left?


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Also wondering about the Status button on the unit itself (I have a 1713):

It's handy being able to see how many channels are playing, the sampling rate, etc. as I'm often playing files from my computer and want to verify they're playing correctly... so I've been using this button quite a bit. But it's on the unit (requiring getting up). Is there a way to display Status information onscreen, using the remote (or remote app)?

unfortunately, no, there is no "one button" way to show this detailed info on the on-screen overlay. This is one of my biggest (although nit-picky) gripes with the new models -- they went to the effort of adding this cool new "Info" button to the remote that pops up the on-screen info on source + surround mode... but then they didn't take it that one extra step by allowing you to access richer information on input/output channels, sample rate, etc. Seems like they could have set it up as a toggle so one press gets you the basic info, the 2nd press toggles to the more in-depth info....

the best way to access this info without having to get off your ass and walk over to the receiver is either:

1) go into the GUI, then go down to General > Information > Audio (slow)
2) have the Denon's IP address entered into your web browser and check the Information screen there (more convenient, my preference)
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Originally Posted by jdiesel77 View Post

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Connect the video source with a component cable and then use the "Video Source" setting while listening to the music.

Im trying to watch tv while listening to music. I connected the component cables from the box to cable/sat o he amp. I connected the analog audio cables from the cable box to the cable/sat audio on the receiver I tried video source but when i am listening to say pandora or xm, there is no option for video source under input. any thoughts?

Just to follow up on this -- I tested this last night on my 2113 and I can confirm that the "Video Source" setting doesn't work with the Network source.... so unfortunately you are SOL unless you are willing to connect your cable box directly to the TV for video (bypassing the receiver). The advantage of this configuration is that you can easily watch cable with the receiver off, and you can freely mix ANY audio source with the video feed from the cable box, because it is now dissociated from the receiver.
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Yesterday's firmware update for the Denon at least made Pandora useable, but it did not fix all of the Pandora problems. I'm still having the same old problem when using Pandora... it shows internet radio at the top and consequently the proper navigation buttons are not visible at the bottom of the screen. Very frustrating indeed.
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I'm really sorry if this is somewhere already in this thread. I searched for a number of different terms and found nothing. Could someone please tell me whether the Ethernet (RJ-45) port is gigabit (Gbps) or 100Mbps?
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Originally Posted by sethfeinberg View Post

I'm really sorry if this is somewhere already in this thread. I searched for a number of different terms and found nothing. Could someone please tell me whether the Ethernet (RJ-45) port is gigabit (Gbps) or 100Mbps?

It's 100Mbps, which is more than you'll ever need for the tasks at hand. Hell, 10mbps would be more than adequate.
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Just to follow up on this -- I tested this last night on my 2113 and I can confirm that the "Video Source" setting doesn't work with the Network source.... so unfortunately you are SOL unless you are willing to connect your cable box directly to the TV for video (bypassing the receiver). The advantage of this configuration is that you can easily watch cable with the receiver off, and you can freely mix ANY audio source with the video feed from the cable box, because it is now dissociated from the receiver.

Bat pig, thank you. So if I connect the cable box directly to the tv, then basically it would have to go like this:

1. Fios to tv via HDMI ( but then I can't use surround sound while watching TV?). I can do hdmi direct to tv, then optical audio to the receiver? SO then I can use say HDMI 1 to watch tv, the switch to HDMI 2 to use the receiver to select music , whether it's pandora or apple tv. But then will music still play if i switch back to hdmi 1?
2. Component from fios to receiver, then optical audio from a source like apple tv, but then I can't see apple tv on my tv.

sorry im still a little confused by all this, but I really need to figure out how to do this. I had a party last weekend that didnt go so well...the guys wanted to watch the game adn the girls wanted the music and I couldnt deliver!
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