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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

That would appear to be the case, although give a microprocessor reset a few more tries to see if that resolves the issue. Do you just have a 3.1 setup or is the static only coming from the FL/FR speakers in a 5.1 setup?

Thanks for the reply. I've set up as 3.1 and get the static/distortion in the L and R. When I play music in stereo, it's still the same issue, but less acute. (That's why I was thinking it was something to do with the Dolby processing or other effects. If I switch from stereo to other settings, it magnified the problem, but perhaps it has more to do with the channel than the processing.) Should I try a 5.1 setup and see what happens, or won't that matter?

I've reset the processor about 5 times in a row. Leaving it unplugged for awhile and going to reset again as a last resort.
post #3722 of 10465
Nah ... I'd just return and exchange it.
post #3723 of 10465
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Nah ... I'd just return and exchange it.

I was hoping I wouldn't need to (Amazon fulfilled purchase).

I've already used the box to store all of my old CDs. smile.gif

Thanks for the reply.
post #3724 of 10465
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Originally Posted by craigmm View Post

Getting my new 3313 setup - so far things are going well.
I read a bunch about Audysee and Crossover settings. Post-audysee I bumped the LPF for LFE to 120Hz. Should I be modifying the Crossover setting for each individual speaker up to 80Hz? If I have the speakers set to small and the aforementioned LPF/LFE config at 120Hz do these individual Crossover settings come in to play?
My other question is with Dolby TrueHD. What is the recommended settings for Loudness Management and Dynamic Compression? How do these settings interact with the rest of the Audysee settings (Dynamic EQ, Dynamic Volume, etc.)?

Take some time to review the Audyssey FAQ/101 Guide linked in my sig as basically all of the most common questions ever asked in the Official Audyssey thread are in that Guide.

1. As the factory default for the LPF for LFE is 120Hz as noted in the manual on p. 131 (and below)




you shouldn't have had to "raise" this setting as it remains unchanged unless changed by the user. Any speaker set to LARGE, should be changed to SMALL and the speaker's crossover should be raised up to 80Hz and any speaker crossover set > 80Hz should not be changed. Note the LPF for LFE setting ONLY applies to the LFE (0.1 of DD/DTS 5.1) signal and not the speaker frequencies.

2. These settings can be left at their default settings or turned off. Try both ways and select the one you prefer (that is if you can tell any difference).

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Originally Posted by craigmm View Post

Post audysee my sub gain is also -12db. Should I be raising that setting?

Nope. You should be lowering the gain on your sub and rerunning Audyssey again until this setting is set to between -3db and 0db. You only need run a single mic position each time you lower the sub gain until within that -3db to 0db range and then you can complete the complete 8 mic position setup, although a good place to start with the sub gain would be at the 9 o'clock (or 1/4) level.
Edited by jdsmoothie - 12/9/12 at 4:00pm
post #3725 of 10465
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Originally Posted by fatsnaps View Post

I was hoping I wouldn't need to (Amazon fulfilled purchase).
I've already used the box to store all of my old CDs. smile.gif
Thanks for the reply.

Now you know why it's always a good ideal to keep the original electronic equipment boxes in case they need to go back or be repaired. wink.gif
post #3726 of 10465
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

John,
If you've already verified that your HDMI cables are OK, you might try plugging the DVR into different HDMI inputs on your receiver. Make sure the cable is well seated.
HDMI dropouts, both audio and video, are often caused by loose connections or marginal signal levels. Because the receiver's internal wiring is slightly different getting to the HDMI circuit, the receiver's different HDMI inputs have slightly different sensitivities.
Another workaround is to connect the DVR's HDMI cable directly to the display for video, while using a digital audio cable (optical or coax) to get the DVR's audio to the receiver.
Thanks, I'll try those things.
post #3727 of 10465
I supposed this is not specific to TrueHD so my question is more general in how Dynamic Compression and Loudness Management should be configured with Audysee.
post #3728 of 10465
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Take some time to review the Audyssey FAQ/101 Guide linked in my sig as basically all of the most common questions ever asked in the Official Audyssey thread are in that Guide.
1. As the factory default for the LPF for LFE is 120Hz as noted in the manual on p. 131 (and below)

you shouldn't have had to "raise" this setting as it remains unchanged unless changed by the user. Any speaker set to LARGE, should be changed to SMALL and the speaker's crossover should be raised up to 80Hz and any speaker crossover set > 80Hz should not be changed. Note the LPF for LFE setting ONLY applies to the LFE (0.1 of DD/DTS 5.1) signal and not the speaker frequencies.
2. These settings can be left at their default settings or turned off. Try both ways and select the one you prefer (that is if you can tell any difference).
Nope. You should be lowering the gain on your sub and rerunning Audyssey again until this setting is set to between -3db and 0db. You only need run a single mic position each time you lower the sub gain until within that -3db to 0db range and then you can complete the complete 8 mic position setup, although a good place to start with the sub gain would be at the 9 o'clock (or 1/4) level.

I could have sworn the LPF for LFE setting was not 120Hz when I looked but it probably was.

For tuning the sub, when you lower the gain are you talking about the sub volume? I have a Velodyne sub that has a push-button volume control.
post #3729 of 10465
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Originally Posted by JohnnyB (E-Work) View Post

Is the picture degradation with Video Convert set to ON present in 2312CI fixed in 2313CI?
Issue # 4
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread#post_20422031

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Originally Posted by lparsons21 View Post

Having never actually seen the 2132ci in person, I can only comment on what I see with my 2113ci. Well, what I saw until it shot craps and I had to send it off for repair.
My experience with the Video Convert is that I love it. It seems to offer very good upscaling and de-interlacing. With 720p/1080i sources, the benefit is that it is slightly better than what my TV or SAT box can do, but for SD (480i), it does a really great job.
No, it doesn't make SD look like HD, but it improves it by quite a bit and makes it tolerable on my 54" panny plasma.

Thank you for your reaction, however you apparently are not familiar with that particular issue / did no check the posts with pictures (linked from "Known issues" section I pointed to)
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/7410#post_21406531

So my question remains: is this fixed in 2313?
post #3730 of 10465
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Originally Posted by craigmm View Post

I could have sworn the LPF for LFE setting was not 120Hz when I looked but it probably was.
For tuning the sub, when you lower the gain are you talking about the sub volume? I have a Velodyne sub that has a push-button volume control.

Correct. Lower the gain/volume on the sub itself.
post #3731 of 10465
Thanks, I havent adjusted after I ran audyssey. I guess I thought why fiddle with perfection. Thanks I appreciate the advice
post #3732 of 10465
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Originally Posted by craigmm View Post

I supposed this is not specific to TrueHD so my question is more general in how Dynamic Compression and Loudness Management should be configured with Audysee.

The Loudness Management is a new setting and needs more feedback from owners as to whether any real difference is noted when left at factory default of ON vs. setting it to OFF when listening to Dolby TrueHD audio. Also, keep in mind, some settings are often set based on owner preference, how you prefer to listen in your own environment with your speakers, which might be completely different from someone else's preference especially as age deteriorates our higher frequency listening capability. Just because most owner's might use a specific surround mode, doesn't mean someone might prefer a lesser used surround mode ... it's your setup .... make your own selections.
post #3733 of 10465
^^

you need to run audyssey again after you adjust the gain on the sub...
post #3734 of 10465
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Originally Posted by Teletodd View Post

Thanks, I havent adjusted after I ran audyssey. I guess I thought why fiddle with perfection. Thanks I appreciate the advice

To be clear, adjusting after running Audyssey using the sub gain/volume knob, means you then run Audyssey again. Once a setting of -3db to 0db is attained, any further sub volume adjustments should be made using the "Subwoofer Level" setting on the AVR rather than adjusting via the sub gain/volume knob any further as it will be easier to track a change made from a digital number in the AVR's GUI setting.
post #3735 of 10465
You were correct, the sub was at -12, I reset it to -03, don't re run addyessey,... Yet. So far so good
post #3736 of 10465
^^^

somehow, i still think you are missing the boat here... do NOT change the trim in the avr... turn the gain knob on the sub down, and then re-run audyssey...
post #3737 of 10465
I originally ran audyssey with the sub at the half volume point, if I re run the audyssey should I lower the sub volume at 3, ( 3/4 turned down)?
post #3738 of 10465
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Originally Posted by Teletodd View Post

I originally ran audyssey with the sub at the half volume point, if I re run the audyssey should I lower the sub volume at 3, ( 3/4 turned down)?

Where the volmue knob on your sub is pointed means exactly zero about whether you're getting its full performance. If your trim is at -12, turn down the sub itself then re run Audyssey. The goal is to get the trim level in the receiver into something like the middle of its range (in Denons, AFAIK, it can go from plus 12 to minus 12 and if it's at the limit, you don't know if it SHOULD be at plus or minus 15).

Without knowing how the gain is set up in your sub, and what kind of potentiometer is behind that knob, you can't tell squat from where the control is set. Simply changing from a linear to a log potentiometer would make the exact same sub be at the exact same volume at halfway up (linear) and one tenth of the way up (log). See why you can't fret about turning down the sub's volume control?

Now for a fun knob setting story, which may or may not be true. Stevie Ray Vaughn's amp tech said that Stevie decided early in his career that "all" blacface Fender amps sounded best with "all" the knobs set to 6. Well, with the same amp, 6 means something different as the tubes drift over a period of (hard, in SRV's case) use. His tech used to measure things, pull the knobs off and put them back on so that they pointed at 6 when they were in the elcetrically correct place. SRv got his sound, and his personal bias in favor of "all on 6" was not offended. Everybody (me included) falls into the trap of thinking that if knob A sounds best at 7 or 8 on amp A, knob A should also sound best at 7 or 8 on amp B. But it ain't true.
post #3739 of 10465
Thanks everyone for the excellent info in this thread. I am very close to getting the 1913 but have a question:

If I have the unit on standby and initiate an airplay connection to it from an iPhone, is there a way to set it up so that the Zone 2 speakers are enabled/on along with Main whenever the unit is powered on?

Or will I always have to go to the unit/find the remote and turn on Zone 2?

Elsewhere in the forum I've confirmed that Airplay will wake it up and that I can get Airplay output in both Main and Zone 2 at the same time. Just not sure how Zone 2 startup works, and the manual doesn't seem to address this scenario.

Thank you.
post #3740 of 10465
Stevie ray is my guitar hero, although lately I've focused on Scruggs style banjo. SRV used a plethora of fender amps, in particular the vibrolux. When fender disected his no. 1 strat to clone it, they learned the pickups were close to dead magnetically. I remember the day he passed, I was listening to the radio when they announced a helicopter crashed but they didn't say who was in it. But I digress.
post #3741 of 10465
wow I'm going be able to sell the 2 mo old 2113CI that I upgraded to a 3313CI either very easily or with great difficulty as there are very few 2113CI's on eBay & not a single used (that's why I think either the used market demand is super low & it will sit & hopefully as there are currently no used 2113's out there it will go quickly, especially with all paperwork, box, mint condition etc.)

i hope i don't get stuck with a 2113CI as a "backup" , while it would be great to use if the 3313CI ever had an issue, that's an expense backup

btw for anyone looking for a new 3313CI, they are under $1k Amazon & BB matches prices thru Christmas (thankfully I don't see the 2113CI at a super low price new or that would kill my chance of selling...)

Interesting is that i was able to hookup the 2113CI to my backup Pioneer BS22's and compare it (stereo only to an older CD player) to my 10 yr old Yamaha RXV-620 , I don't know how I listened to the Yamaha for near 10 yrs being able to A/B it next to the Denon ....)
post #3742 of 10465
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Originally Posted by larry_az View Post

Thanks everyone for the excellent info in this thread. I am very close to getting the 1913 but have a question:
If I have the unit on standby and initiate an airplay connection to it from an iPhone, is there a way to set it up so that the Zone 2 speakers are enabled/on along with Main whenever the unit is powered on?
Or will I always have to go to the unit/find the remote and turn on Zone 2?
Elsewhere in the forum I've confirmed that Airplay will wake it up and that I can get Airplay output in both Main and Zone 2 at the same time. Just not sure how Zone 2 startup works, and the manual doesn't seem to address this scenario.
Thank you.

As long as you leave Zone 2 ON and set to SOURCE when the unit is set to Standby, AFAIK, Zone 2 should then play the Airplay source when the iPhone wakes the unit up.
post #3743 of 10465
Thank you for the prompt reply.

Are you or anyone else that has the 1913 able to test this? I ask because this is a major reason I would be getting the 1913 so I need to be sure. My current receiver has a huge number of steps to make this work, and my wife/daughter simply don't use it for that reason.

Thank you.
post #3744 of 10465
hi guys, do i need to re-run again my audyssey if i am gonna changed the degree position of my surround speakers?
post #3745 of 10465
^^^

yes... anytime you change the speaker's relative position to the listening position (or change anything at all in the room), a re-run is required...

it doesn't take long... smile.gif
post #3746 of 10465
And now for something completely different. I got my 1713 (replacing a Onkyo 503, a quality piece many years ago), set it up, hooked up Dish Network 211K, Roku XS (wired), Panny DVD Player. Everything works, all HDMI and no handshake issues. Audyssey is a beautiful thing.
post #3747 of 10465
Ill be adding a Wi player and an older sony dvd player to my 1713 set up. My son tried adding the wi and only got sound out of the right speaker. i have a vizio lcd and i get dish network. How do i add the wi and still get sterio sound? Would having anolog to hdmi conversion like on the 1913 give nay benefit?
post #3748 of 10465
Thread Starter 
something is hooked up wrong if you are only getting one channel. The Wii should output stereo audio without any issues. Check your connections.
post #3749 of 10465
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Yes to all of the above -- with the USB connection, the iDevice charges and the song info displays on the TV screen via the receiver's GUI, and you can control it with the receiver's remote.
Note that in this mode (a.k.a "Browse Mode") you can only access the "Music" app (i.e. iTunes) content on your iDevice. If you want to play audio from a different app, you need to switch the iDevice to "Remote Mode" in which case you navigate the iDevice directly, and the Denon is just an attached "speaker" as opposed to having integrated control. It still charges, but I think you then lose the on-screen info.

Thanks again, batpig! Now, would any of this work if you choose NOT to turn on your TV screen? That is, can you still control music playback with the receiver remote, and is there any chance the receiver's own dot-matrix display would display song info?

I checked this out over the weekend, the front panel USB connection worked fine both with my iPhone and iPad Mini.

In "Browse Mode" the album art displays on the screen along with song/album info, and you can control playback with the remote. Additionally, the track name also appears on the front panel dot matrix display, just like with AirPlay. And it all works with the TV off as well, although of course that makes navigating to find a specific playlist or album pretty challenging without the GUI.

When in "Browse Mode", the iPhone/iPad controls are still active, but if you try to open up the "Music" app it says "External Device Connected / Dock Connector" and you can't navigate through your music that way. This is all expected behavior of course, as when in "Browse Mode" the iDevice basically becomes a little iTunes "server" for the receiver and you do all the navigation through the receiver interface.
post #3750 of 10465
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Originally Posted by craigmm View Post

I supposed this is not specific to TrueHD so my question is more general in how Dynamic Compression and Loudness Management should be configured with Audysee.

My opinion is that you don't want to "stack" multiple compression technologies unless you REALLY want to clamp down dynamic range in an extreme situation. When you start layering multiple variables, it's hard to keep track of what settings are enabled and you could adversely impact sound quality.

So, my recommendation (and what I do in practice) is to disable ANY other compression... that means Dynamic Compression, D-Comp, DRC, "Dialoge Lift", etc. whether in the player (remember that many Blu-ray players, PS3, etc. will have their own controls for this) or in the receiver, and just use Audyssey Dynamic Volume. Then you have ONE tech working, that's designed to work with the rest of the Audyssey package (MultEQ + Dyn EQ), with three clear levels (light, medium, heavy) of compression.
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