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post #3751 of 10468
What is the benefit of the 1913's analog to hdmi conversion? Does it outweigh the 1713's Multieq? When would you need to use the analog to hdm conversion?
post #3752 of 10468
Thread Starter 
the benefit is that you can connect analog video sources but still output the video via a single HDMI cable to your TV.

Basically, it simplifies setup for people who don't want to run a bunch of cables to the TV (e.g. if you are running wires in the wall for a wall-mounted flat screen or PJ) and means you can use the receiver for all source switching (so you don't have to change inputs on BOTH the receiver and the TV when you want to view an analog source). Plus, you get the overlay graphics (volume bar, status info, GUI) on your analog sources.

If you don't have any analog video sources, the benefit is negligible.

It's really nonsensical to ask if this "outweighs" the benefit of the XT on the 1713, they are not comparable. One yields slightly better sound quality, the other yields slightly greater connectivity convenience.
post #3753 of 10468
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I checked this out over the weekend, the front panel USB connection worked fine both with my iPhone and iPad Mini.
In "Browse Mode" the album art displays on the screen along with song/album info, and you can control playback with the remote. Additionally, the track name also appears on the front panel dot matrix display, just like with AirPlay. And it all works with the TV off as well, although of course that makes navigating to find a specific playlist or album pretty challenging without the GUI.
When in "Browse Mode", the iPhone/iPad controls are still active, but if you try to open up the "Music" app it says "External Device Connected / Dock Connector" and you can't navigate through your music that way. This is all expected behavior of course, as when in "Browse Mode" the iDevice basically becomes a little iTunes "server" for the receiver and you do all the navigation through the receiver interface.

Thanks so much, Batpig! And I assume that you checked this out on your 2113CI, but that it should work similarly on a 1713?
post #3754 of 10468
Just got my 2113ci back from warranty repair. They said they found no issues, just cleaned and fully tested. The problem it went in for was that regardless of source, it would have a weird audio that sounded like a poor, weak AM radio station with little signal and lots of noise. It didn't do that for them, but it had always been a bit of a now and again issue that became all the time.

So I got it back, connected everything and tested it all out. Worked just fine with a couple things noted.

1. I had a saved config file that I uploaded to the 2113. The screen on the computer said it would automagically restart the unit after the load. Didn't do that, just stayed on 'loading' on the lcd panel. Pulled the power and replugged it in and it was all fully loaded just as it had been when it went to them. Great! Still don't know why it didn't do the auto restart though.

2. One problem that I had forgotten about when I sent it to them was with the Sony BDP-N460 BluRay player. Most of the time when that was selected, the menus on the Sony wouldn't hold, like the unit and AVR would lose sync. But stick a disk in and it would play and display with no issues at all. It was doing that today when I reconnected and only with the BluRay player. Couldn't figure out what the hell was going on.

Well after shifting some cables to see if it was because of one of the HDMI ports on the AVR not liking the BR player and finding out that wasn't the issue, I plugged the AppleTV into the port for the BR so I could see the AVRs settings for video with the BR port on the AVR. After much fiddling around, I finally figured out that I had to set the Video Output Resolution to a fixed 1080p and not Auto. Once I did that all was good. So it seems that for whatever electronic magic that is going on, the 'auto' setting was causing it to try to set and reset the resolution to something that wouldn't hold. No idea what the setting is, or if it is something set wrong on the BR player. But that same player connected to the TV directly, an HK AVR247 and a Sony 1000 didn't do that. Odd, but I'm glad I found a solution.

Anyone have any idea what is going on? Or am I right in my assumption?

thanks
post #3755 of 10468
Sorry for the nonsensical question, Im relatively new to all of this but I'm striving to educate myself. My old Samsung 52" had a built in subwoofer and a decent sound so i didnt need to set up my old surround sound system. The Samsung died and my new LCD sounded like a transister radio so i hooked up my old 1996 pioneer surround sound reciever which sounded bette than the lcd alone, but not as well as a new HDMi reciever. I was attracted to denon because of the reviews i read here on Audessey.

I was concerned that not having the analog to hdmi conversion might somehow limit setting up my older components. I could still get a 1913, but the 1713 is probalby more than adequate for my set up. I appreciate the help and patience.
post #3756 of 10468
Thread Starter 
no need to apologize smile.gif my point was just that it's an apples-to-oranges thing, it's really an impossible question to answer generically as it depends on what YOU value.
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I was concerned that not having the analog to hdmi conversion might somehow limit setting up my older components. I could still get a 1913, but the 1713 is probalby more than adequate for my set up. I appreciate the help and patience.

remember that the 1913 only has ONE measly component video input and two composite video input, so it doesn't really offer THAT much additionally flexibility. It's basically for people who have a Wii or something else with only component video output and don't want to run the extra cable to their TV. If you don't mind running an extra cable to the TV and are OK with losing the overlay graphics for that input, it's not a big deal.
post #3757 of 10468
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by limsilas View Post

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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I checked this out over the weekend, the front panel USB connection worked fine both with my iPhone and iPad Mini.
In "Browse Mode" the album art displays on the screen along with song/album info, and you can control playback with the remote. Additionally, the track name also appears on the front panel dot matrix display, just like with AirPlay. And it all works with the TV off as well, although of course that makes navigating to find a specific playlist or album pretty challenging without the GUI.
When in "Browse Mode", the iPhone/iPad controls are still active, but if you try to open up the "Music" app it says "External Device Connected / Dock Connector" and you can't navigate through your music that way. This is all expected behavior of course, as when in "Browse Mode" the iDevice basically becomes a little iTunes "server" for the receiver and you do all the navigation through the receiver interface.

Thanks so much, Batpig! And I assume that you checked this out on your 2113CI, but that it should work similarly on a 1713?

no reason why it shouldn't work the same, all the xx13 models have the same basic architecture.
post #3758 of 10468
I searched this thread for "Wii" and found an earlier post with a link to a Wii hdmi converter for sale on amazon.
post #3759 of 10468
Just wanted to chime in to say that due to the great advice on this thread I just ordered a 2113ci from Accessories 4 Less. I got a refurb for a screaming price ($449)!

I'm upgrading from a 7-8 year old dolby digital, no HDMI receiver and am really looking forward to the new unit and all the new audio formats I will now be able to utilize.

Thanks to everyone who contributes to this thread (and AVS in general)!
post #3760 of 10468
I have the AVR-1713, wondering if it's possible for me to play games on my ps3 through it, but at the same time, have audio via airplay, rather than the audio from the ps3?
post #3761 of 10468
@alan...

even better than the new formats, just wait until you run xt... smile.gif

while you are waiting for the unit to arrive, spend some time reading the "audyssey setup guide" that some members here have put together... it will be time well spent, and give you answers to questions you don't even know you have... smile.gif
post #3762 of 10468
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by cmacdo05 View Post

I have the AVR-1713, wondering if it's possible for me to play games on my ps3 through it, but at the same time, have audio via airplay, rather than the audio from the ps3?

unfortunately, the answer is no. You can't "mix" the network source with any other video streams.

If this is a really important feature for you, you might want to consider running the PS3 straight to the TV with HDMI, and just run an optical cable to the receiver for digital audio.
post #3763 of 10468
Can you add an external amp to the 1713 or 2113?? Uing them as a preamp for 2 channel only?
post #3764 of 10468
^^^

no...
post #3765 of 10468
Do any of the upper models offer hook up for a external amp? 2313 or 3313.
Thanks.
post #3766 of 10468
Thread Starter 
only the 3313 has pre-outs for an external amp.

if you haven't yet, please review all of the information at the beginning of this thread, the models are described and compared in great detail wink.gif
post #3767 of 10468
Sorry to all for being so dumb..I read alot of the posts but did not understand whether or not certain models had preouts.

Thanks for the help.
post #3768 of 10468
Santa is bringing a 3313ci and I'm really looking forward to it! It is replacing an old Denon 1083 that I've had for a very long time. I have been using my new Oppo bdp-103 connected via the analog inputs on my older Denon and it sounds great so I really cannot wait to hear how the 3313 sounds. I will be doing my homework like reading about audissey FAQ etc etc. Quick couple questions, the bdp-103 is a good scaler and I have directv going into its hdmi input, then out through a Darbee to my projector. Will I be better suited just running everything through my new 3313? And also I plan on using Roomie remote to control the 3313 replacing an mx-3000, any thoughts on Roomie with 3313? Thanks
post #3769 of 10468
^^^

yes, run the video through the avr from the oppo, even if you want to still pass the dtv feed through the oppo... if the oppo has already done it's magic, the receiver can't do any scaling/deinterlacing... smile.gif running it through the avr allow you to use the zone 2 functionality for a "little tv" when you don't want to fire up the pj...

i pass everything through the avr (not a 3313, but close enough for this discussion), then out to the darbee, then from the darbee to the video processor, then to the pj...
post #3770 of 10468
Was having trouble with my 1913 connecting to my home network every now and then, but lately it wont connect at all. Called up tech support, tried resetting the network card but that didn't work so it's boxed up to be sent in for service. Hopefully when it comes back, i can actually enjoy this receiver. I've only had it since August and It's been riding my last nerve for the last few weeks. It will be nice to hit the internet radio button and actually hear music instead of the front display saying CONNECTING.....


also, i've always had handshake troubles with this unit causing me to have to turn my TV off and on several times to get the picture to come on. What is the best way, other than HDMI, to hook the AVR up to my cable box when I get it back to try to eliminate the handshake problems?
post #3771 of 10468
^^^

with component for video and spdif for audio...

cable/satellite boxes suck... redface.gif
post #3772 of 10468
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^
yes, run the video through the avr from the oppo, even if you want to still pass the dtv feed through the oppo... if the oppo has already done it's magic, the receiver can't do any scaling/deinterlacing... smile.gif running it through the avr allow you to use the zone 2 functionality for a "little tv" when you don't want to fire up the pj...
i pass everything through the avr (not a 3313, but close enough for this discussion), then out to the darbee, then from the darbee to the video processor, then to the pj...

Ok so everything through avr then out through Darbee. I'll have to experiment with directv between going through Oppo then avr, or just through avr. One thing is the Oppo doesn't pass directv 3D which although not much content it's still 3D content. Thanks for the response, can't wait to hear the 3313 in my theater.
post #3773 of 10468
I lowered my subs volume knob, reran audyssey and now it reads -2 instead of -12. Only issue was front speakers were 40 crossover. Should I raise them to 80?
post #3774 of 10468
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Originally Posted by mattr6 View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^
yes, run the video through the avr from the oppo, even if you want to still pass the dtv feed through the oppo... if the oppo has already done it's magic, the receiver can't do any scaling/deinterlacing... smile.gif running it through the avr allow you to use the zone 2 functionality for a "little tv" when you don't want to fire up the pj...
i pass everything through the avr (not a 3313, but close enough for this discussion), then out to the darbee, then from the darbee to the video processor, then to the pj...

Ok so everything through avr then out through Darbee. I'll have to experiment with directv between going through Oppo then avr, or just through avr. One thing is the Oppo doesn't pass directv 3D which although not much content it's still 3D content. Thanks for the response, can't wait to hear the 3313 in my theater.

yea, try it different ways... it's likely to be very very close in real world viewing... plus you'd be able to keep the 3d...

you are welcome, and good luck... smile.gif
post #3775 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Teletodd View Post

I lowered my subs volume knob, reran audyssey and now it reads -2 instead of -12. Only issue was front speakers were 40 crossover. Should I raise them to 80?

yes...
post #3776 of 10468
My new AVR 1613 was on standby mode this morning when I hit play on my iPhone (Pandora app) which stays permanently plugged into one of the analog inputs and I was surprised that the AVR didn't wake up.

Can anyone confirm if sending a signal to one of the analog audio inputs should wake the 1613 from standby mode? If not, would it work if my iPhone was permanently plugged into the USB port?
post #3777 of 10468
Oh, I just thought of one more question...

I ran Audyessey for the first time with my sub-woofers volume at the 12 o'clock position as directed in the manual. However, the resulting sound had waaaay too much base. When I dug into the 1613's settings, i saw that Audyessey had set my sub to -12 which seemed to be the maximum reduction so I reran Audyessey a second time with my sub on a much lower volume setting. This time the base level sounds much better but the AVR still shows it at -12. Should I lower the sub-woofer volume again an re-run Audyessey for a third time?
post #3778 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Option View Post

My new AVR 1613 was on standby mode this morning when I hit play on my iPhone (Pandora app) which stays permanently plugged into one of the analog inputs and I was surprised that the AVR didn't wake up.
Can anyone confirm if sending a signal to one of the analog audio inputs should wake the 1613 from standby mode? If not, would it work if my iPhone was permanently plugged into the USB port?

Network Standby only works for the network sources (ie. on board Pandora) when using the IP Control (ie. iPhone communicating with the AVR via home network).

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Originally Posted by Option View Post

Oh, I just thought of one more question...
I ran Audyessey for the first time with my sub-woofers volume at the 12 o'clock position as directed in the manual. However, the resulting sound had waaaay too much base. When I dug into the 1613's settings, i saw that Audyessey had set my sub to -12 which seemed to be the maximum reduction so I reran Audyessey a second time with my sub on a much lower volume setting. This time the base level sounds much better but the AVR still shows it at -12. Should I lower the sub-woofer volume again an re-run Audyessey for a third time?

Yes, lower the sub as much as necessary to get the final trim to within -3db to 0db, even as low as 1 out of 10 if necessary.
post #3779 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Network Standby only works for the network sources (ie. on board Pandora) when using the IP Control (ie. iPhone communicating with the AVR via home network).

Thank you JP but I am a little confused. Are you saying that "network standby" is the same as "standby"? If so, then you are saying that the only thing that will "wake up" the AVR is a signal from the network input? (internal Pandora, airplay etc)
post #3780 of 10468
Thread Starter 
yes, what he is saying is that there is no "auto sensing" which just lets the receiver wake up whenever it receives a signal while in standby. The "network standby" feature, when enabled, means that the receiver is able to receive network signal while in standby; this means you can access it from your smartphone app or web browser. It will not turn on automatically when you access it via the network, but you can turn it on yourself from the app/browser and start something playing.

the ONLY thing (AFAIK) that will wake it up automatically is an AirPlay stream.
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