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post #3781 of 10468
I reset my front crossover from 40 to 80. The center is at 150 and the sats are at 250. Should I change either of them?
post #3782 of 10468
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

yes, what he is saying is that there is no "auto sensing" which just lets the receiver wake up whenever it receives a signal while in standby. The "network standby" feature, when enabled, means that the receiver is able to receive network signal while in standby; this means you can access it from your smartphone app or web browser. It will not turn on automatically when you access it via the network, but you can turn it on yourself from the app/browser and start something playing.
the ONLY thing (AFAIK) that will wake it up automatically is an AirPlay stream.

Okay, so network standby (which the manual just refers to as just "standby") allows the AVR to be reached by a browser or phone app which can then "wake" the AVR by selecting an input. Additionally, activating Airplay from iOS device can "wake" the AVR from standby and this is the only input signal that can do so. Is that correct?
post #3783 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Alan P View Post

Just wanted to chime in to say that due to the great advice on this thread I just ordered a 2113ci from Accessories 4 Less. I got a refurb for a screaming price ($449)!!
that's good to know, trying to figure out a price to set b4 listing 2 mo 2113CI that i upgraded last week to a 3313CI - i'd strongly suggest a 3313CI to anyone if it's in the budget)

if going for an entire system you can save quite a bit of $$$$ with Andrew Jones designed Pioneer speaker set ($99 pair on sale bookshelves per pair, $69 on sale center) then use the HUNDREDS if NOT THOUSAND plus $$$$ saved on these amazing speakers to put towards the much better power amps within the 3313CI .

The Sticky here notes to spend the $$$$ on the speakers vs the receiver but in this case as it will vary for everyone - but I def find it better to spend more on the AVR with the 3313CI over the 2113CI for instance but if I had not found the amazing but crazy low priced Pioneer's , I'd have been back in my original boat of overpriced Polk speakers and an underpowered 2113CI.

Thanks for AVS for the Pioneer speaker forum which lead me to try them and return the Polks and put the $$$$ into the 3313CI with MUCH better speakers with the Pioneer's over the Polk's (or anything else under $2k, the Pioneer's were the only I'd consider and luckily they cost much less than anything else).

So glad in this case the speakers are LESS $$$ than the AVR :-)

ps - the Pioneer sub doesn't count, it's not up to par with the speakers (also i have the fs52 towers for fronts) , in fact I bought 2x each speaker to have a backup for down the line, they even sound amazing with my 10 year old Yamaha which the Denon's replaced

Loving the 3313CI , now to hopefully get at least $399 back on the 2113 CI :-(
post #3784 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Teletodd View Post

I reset my front crossover from 40 to 80. The center is at 150 and the sats are at 250. Should I change either of them?

Nope. Any crossover set >80Hz should be left at that original setting otherwise if lowered, there would be an EQ hole between the new lowered setting and the original Audyssey setting.
post #3785 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Option View Post

Okay, so network standby (which the manual just refers to as just "standby") allows the AVR to be reached by a browser or phone app which can then "wake" the AVR by selecting an input. Additionally, activating Airplay from iOS device can "wake" the AVR from standby and this is the only input signal that can do so. Is that correct?

Sorry for the confusion ..... although known for years as "Network Standby", this feature name has been changed to "IP Control" on the XX13 models (see p. 98 OM). Set it to "Always On" in order to "wake up" the AVR.




Also note there is no "web control' (ie. browser) capability on the 1613, rather it can be accessed only via a smart phone, iPad, or tablet using either Airplay or one of several available mobile Remote apps.
post #3786 of 10468
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^
with component for video and spdif for audio...
cable/satellite boxes suck... redface.gif

how would I hook this up (im still an AVR noob)? Components from cable box to AVR with an optical from the AVR to the TV?
post #3787 of 10468
^^

Cable/sat boxes are generally NOT designed to be connected to an HDMI repeater (ie. AVR), not too mention that firmware updates to these boxes will often cause even more HDMI audio/video handshake issues. The work around is to either:

(1) Connect a component video and optical cable from the box to the AVR (you keep the GUI overlay but lose the HDMI Standby pass through feature)

or

(2) Connect HDMI from the box to the TV directly and optical from the box to the AVR (you lose the GUI overlay but maintain the capability to watch TV without having to power on the AVR).

With either configuration, the audio quality via optical as compared to the former HDMI input to the AVR is no different.
post #3788 of 10468
Not sure if this has been covered, but I have been having some problems when I turn off the receiver while playing Pandora on my 2113.

Below are the steps to take:
1) Sign into Pandora
2) Play a station
3) Turn off receiver
4) Turn on the receiver

When the receiver is back on, the internet radio seems to be stuck in some weird state where nothing plays until I back out until I find the initial splash screen with all the radio icons. If I go back into Pandora again, everything works fine.

Anyone else experiencing this? Anything I can do to fix it?
post #3789 of 10468
Yup. Make sure to shut down the network source before powering off the AVR. smile.gif
post #3790 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Teletodd View Post

I reset my front crossover from 40 to 80. The center is at 150 and the sats are at 250. Should I change either of them?

nope...

however... what speakers are you using for center/sats? those numbers indicate one of the following:

- really tiny speakers...
- poor speaker serup...
- poor audyssey measuring technique...

the first one, you can't do anything about, short of replacing the speakers... the second 2 are "fixable"... if it's the second two, i would make the effort to do something about it, as a 150hz xover for the center is going to localize some male voices to the sub....
post #3791 of 10468
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Originally Posted by mcglausa View Post

I have now tried both a types of factory reset suggested at the beginning of the thread. I have also tried a couple of internet streams.
For some reason, everything played on the Network input source is significantly quieter than other sources. In numbers, a reasonable volume for FM radio is in the -30dB range, while network streams need to be around -15dBa just to be audible, with a reasonable volume around +3dB.
Any thoughts?

In case someone else has this problem - I ended up calling Denon support and described the troubleshooting process I'd gone through. They didn't have any other suggestions and indicated that the unit should be returned.

I exchanged it for a new one, and I have not had the same problem.
post #3792 of 10468
For now, my speakers are "vintage" KLH surround sound form the late 90s. Eventually Ill upgrade, although I like the fronts. I have 900b, 3way fronts with 8" woofers, a 2 speaker center and small 4"x5" surrounds. I think the speaker sizes in the center and the surounds are either 3' or 4". I recently replaced the passive sub with a BIC F12.
I think I may have the surrounds too high, about 3' above ear level. Maybe Ill lower them 6" and rerun audessey and see what happens. I wonder if the 8" woofers in the fronts caused the low initial 40 reading which I raised to 80. At least i got the sub to -2, it was -12 and rumbled durring certain news broadcasts dialogue.
post #3793 of 10468
Anyone know the percentage increase of power consumption in standby WRT HDMI Control enabled v disabled on AVR-3313?

I'm curious as I enabled HDMI control yesterday for port control only (no power switching) and hoping my electrical billing won't substantially increase.
Edited by Iain- - 12/11/12 at 9:07am
post #3794 of 10468
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Originally Posted by dizzyrapper18 View Post

i know the iphone 5 is a great way to use the denon but what about the samsung galaxy s3? is the main app for android compatable for this phone?
i went to the store and looked at both but the iphone is so small. they added length but not width. i currently have a htc evo 4g and the move up to samsung s3 is even bigger but very much customizable as whre the iphone 5 is hellava lot small but also has its own features. mainly the airplay and panorama pic which is the only reason why i might get it but leaning toward the s3 if the denon app work well with it.
Any info on each?

I can't comment on the S3 specifically, but I have a Galaxy Nexus, which should be very similar (just a slightly smaller screen). I have had an AVR-1713 for about a week, and I have tried a few different apps for interfacing with the Denon.

The official Denon app works well, if a bit slowly. I also didn't find it particularly intuitive, but after fooling around with it getting used to the layout, I find it pretty convenient to use.

The highest rated app I found was AVR Remote. I find its network discovery a bit painful, but once you have your AVR discovered the performance seems more reliably quick than the official Denon app. However, it does not automatically display only the functions that are applicable to your specific AVR. For my 1713 for example, the list of inputs includes a whole bunch which may be applicable to other AVRs, but are not available on the 1713. This may be configurable, but I haven't bothered to try it further as the official app is good enough for my needs.

As for Airplay, there are a few things to consider. First is that it is possible to use the AirPlay protocol from Android. I've used the doubleTwist app, which has a (paid) AirPlay output feature. Secondly, there are a number of apps which let you use the uPnP/DLNA protocol to stream audio from your phone to your AVR, very similarly to AirPlay. In fact, you can set up a media server like MediaTomb or XBMC and use your smartphone to play media from the server on the AVR. I've personally used BubbleUPnP, but there are many others available as well. Be aware that I had a problem with low volume on the network input after using BubbleUPnP to control playback volume on the AVR. I had to return one AVR-1713, and haven't tried it yet on the new one.
post #3795 of 10468
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Teletodd View Post

For now, my speakers are "vintage" KLH surround sound form the late 90s. Eventually Ill upgrade, although I like the fronts. I have 900b, 3way fronts with 8" woofers, a 2 speaker center and small 4"x5" surrounds. I think the speaker sizes in the center and the surounds are either 3' or 4". I recently replaced the passive sub with a BIC F12.

You should really think about upgrading the center speaker -- with HT, the center channel is as important as the L/R mains as it carries the vast majority of the dialogue as well as a bulk of the action. It's easier to "get away with" small surrounds but the center should be pretty capable.
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I think I may have the surrounds too high, about 3' above ear level. Maybe Ill lower them 6" and rerun audessey and see what happens. I wonder if the 8" woofers in the fronts caused the low initial 40 reading which I raised to 80.

3' above ear level is fine actually, but if you want to lower them a bit and try again it won't hurt. Experimentation is always good to see if you can keep improving the sound smile.gif

And, yes, the big woofers in the front are what caused the crossover to be set low. Audyssey measures each speaker and reports its low end bass response to the receiver, and the receiver then picks the lowest available crossover freq above that point. It's a "dumb" system which causes a lot of people to have misconfigured bass management, which is why Audyssey 101 recommends raising that crossover up to 80Hz to make sure the sub is getting the bulk of the low end action.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by eduboys View Post

Not sure if this has been covered, but I have been having some problems when I turn off the receiver while playing Pandora on my 2113.

Below are the steps to take:
1) Sign into Pandora
2) Play a station
3) Turn off receiver
4) Turn on the receiver

When the receiver is back on, the internet radio seems to be stuck in some weird state where nothing plays until I back out until I find the initial splash screen with all the radio icons. If I go back into Pandora again, everything works fine.

Anyone else experiencing this? Anything I can do to fix it?

There have definitely been issues with Pandora lately -- not including the most recent issue which "broke" the Pandora access and which is being fixed with firmware updates currently. Multiple users have reported weirdness with Internet Radio and Pandora. I would report the issue to Denon... the more people who complain, the more likely it is to get fixed.
post #3797 of 10468
Ive thought about getting a Pioneer spc21 center that matches the F52s and seeing if it would work with my KLH 900b fronts, and eventually getting the Pioneer f52 fronts and using the klh 900bs as surrounds. The pioneer center is $100.00 at bestbuy, might be cheaper elsewhere and they price match. Dont know if the mismatch would be any worse than the KLH center im using now.
Edited by Teletodd - 12/11/12 at 11:02am
post #3798 of 10468
Hey Guys

Just got my 2113 lastnight and was looking to get some tweek ideas.

My speakers are all klipsch

WF-34's front
WC- 24 center
(4) WB-14 for surrounds and rear surrounds
RW-12d

How would you guru's setup this config.

Thanks!
post #3799 of 10468
Thread Starter 
Step 1) Run Audyssey

Step 2) Make any necessary post-Audyssey tweaks to bass management

Step 3) Enjoy

Step 3A) Adjust the Reference Level Offset as needed for non-film sources

All of the above is covered in the Audyssey 101/FAQ: http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/51750#post_21782993
post #3800 of 10468
thanks mcglausa
post #3801 of 10468
My 3313 is in my basement. My tv is in my family room, 1 floor up. I know I can get some sort of extension, but it's gonna have to be pretty big. How long can i run the wire without losing effectiveness? Is there another way to calibrate without audyssey?
post #3802 of 10468
Denon AVR1613-

This morning I had a pulsing effect on Airplay, and on USB'd iPhone, but not on TV play. The Sammy TV is connected to the AVR via optical, and played without a hitch. The sound would cut out for a second every three or four seconds. Turned off receiver several times, rebooted devices, no luck. Turned off router when USB connected in case interference came from other devices on the LAN or outside. Powered unit off for ten minutes+, and that fixed it.

I'd like to know what caused this! Anyone know? Any preventatives?
post #3803 of 10468
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Originally Posted by fatpizza View Post

Thanks for the response, I found out that when I changed the IP Control setting from 'Always On' to 'Off during Standby' the receiver would actually turn itself off(as in the LED would be off rather than red) and the noise disappeared. There's still a minor hiss when the receiver is on (noticable if I really listen for it) but the problem is much reduced. So I'll now rephrase my initial question. smile.gif
Does anyone on their 2313 have their IP Control set to 'Always On' not have this high pitched hiss/buzz/hum? Also does anyone else hear a slight hiss from their unit when it's turned on? Or should it be pretty much dead silent? It's just that I can still probably return it for a new one if it sounds like there's an issue...

Sorry to bump my question but does anyone have any similar experiences with the Denon 2113/2313's?

Also since we're having discussions about crossovers and audyssey etc. If I run Audysssey and it says my crossover is 80hz even though my speakers are only rated for 115hz at which point should I set the crossover?
post #3804 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Iain- View Post

Anyone know the percentage increase of power consumption in standby WRT HDMI Control enabled v disabled on AVR-3313?
I'm curious as I enabled HDMI control yesterday for port control only (no power switching) and hoping my electrical billing won't substantially increase.

Standby - 0.1W
HDMI Control (ON) - 0.5W
IP Control (ON) - 2.7W
post #3805 of 10468
I moved my sat speakers 6" down and reran audyssey. Sub is now -1.5, fronts at 60, and center still at 150 and Sats 250. I raised fronts to 80, thinking about lowering center, maybe to 100 ? If so should I also lower sats?
post #3806 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdiesel77 View Post

My 3313 is in my basement. My tv is in my family room, 1 floor up. I know I can get some sort of extension, but it's gonna have to be pretty big. How long can i run the wire without losing effectiveness? Is there another way to calibrate without audyssey?

Only 1 extra 25' extension (total 50'). Although you can use the manual setup to calibrate the speakers, it won't compare to Audyssey.
post #3807 of 10468
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Originally Posted by fatpizza View Post

Sorry to bump my question but does anyone have any similar experiences with the Denon 2113/2313's?
Also since we're having discussions about crossovers and audyssey etc. If I run Audysssey and it says my crossover is 80hz even though my speakers are only rated for 115hz at which point should I set the crossover?

The lack of a response points towards returning your unit. frown.gif Leave the crossovers set per the AVR rather than per the mfr's listed ratings.
post #3808 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

The lack of a response points towards returning your unit. frown.gif Leave the crossovers set per the AVR rather than per the mfr's listed ratings.

Thanks for that regarding the crossover. smile.gif
In regards to the other things I guess I'll exchange it this weekend, I just found it odd that in my case it has happened to both a 2113 and a 2313. I must just have some rotten luck with Denon... :P
post #3809 of 10468
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Teletodd View Post

I moved my sat speakers 6" down and reran audyssey. Sub is now -1.5, fronts at 60, and center still at 150 and Sats 250. I raised fronts to 80, thinking about lowering center, maybe to 100 ? If so should I also lower sats?

Again, you shouldn't lower the crossovers unless you are willing to accept a "hole" in the EQ'd speaker response. I would leave them as is given how small your speakers are.... just LISTEN to some content now, pop in a good Blu-ray or something, and let us know how it SOUNDS smile.gif
post #3810 of 10468
Thanks, Ive been reading the audyssey FAQ again and saw where its not recommended to lower crossovers. It sounds fine to me. I think I'll wait on replacing the center and the fronts for now. Thanks for all the help.
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