The **OFFICIAL** Denon AVR-XX13 Model Owner's Thread & FAQ - Page 127

I reset my front crossover from 40 to 80. The center is at 150 and the sats are at 250. Should I change either of them?

Okay, so network standby (which the manual just refers to as just "standby") allows the AVR to be reached by a browser or phone app which can then "wake" the AVR by selecting an input. Additionally, activating Airplay from iOS device can "wake" the AVR from standby and this is the only input signal that can do so. Is that correct?

that's good to know, trying to figure out a price to set b4 listing 2 mo 2113CI that i upgraded last week to a 3313CI - i'd strongly suggest a 3313CI to anyone if it's in the budget)

if going for an entire system you can save quite a bit of $$$$ with Andrew Jones designed Pioneer speaker set ($99 pair on sale bookshelves per pair, $69 on sale center) then use the HUNDREDS if NOT THOUSAND plus $$$$ saved on these amazing speakers to put towards the much better power amps within the 3313CI .

The Sticky here notes to spend the $$$$ on the speakers vs the receiver but in this case as it will vary for everyone - but I def find it better to spend more on the AVR with the 3313CI over the 2113CI for instance but if I had not found the amazing but crazy low priced Pioneer's , I'd have been back in my original boat of overpriced Polk speakers and an underpowered 2113CI.

Thanks for AVS for the Pioneer speaker forum which lead me to try them and return the Polks and put the $$$$ into the 3313CI with MUCH better speakers with the Pioneer's over the Polk's (or anything else under $2k, the Pioneer's were the only I'd consider and luckily they cost much less than anything else).

So glad in this case the speakers are LESS $$$ than the AVR :-)

ps - the Pioneer sub doesn't count, it's not up to par with the speakers (also i have the fs52 towers for fronts) , in fact I bought 2x each speaker to have a backup for down the line, they even sound amazing with my 10 year old Yamaha which the Denon's replaced

Loving the 3313CI , now to hopefully get at least $399 back on the 2113 CI :-(

Nope. Any crossover set >80Hz should be left at that original setting otherwise if lowered, there would be an EQ hole between the new lowered setting and the original Audyssey setting.

Sorry for the confusion ..... although known for years as "Network Standby", this feature name has been changed to "IP Control" on the XX13 models (see p. 98 OM). Set it to "Always On" in order to "wake up" the AVR.




Also note there is no "web control' (ie. browser) capability on the 1613, rather it can be accessed only via a smart phone, iPad, or tablet using either Airplay or one of several available mobile Remote apps.

how would I hook this up (im still an AVR noob)? Components from cable box to AVR with an optical from the AVR to the TV?

^^

Cable/sat boxes are generally NOT designed to be connected to an HDMI repeater (ie. AVR), not too mention that firmware updates to these boxes will often cause even more HDMI audio/video handshake issues. The work around is to either:

(1) Connect a component video and optical cable from the box to the AVR (you keep the GUI overlay but lose the HDMI Standby pass through feature)

or

(2) Connect HDMI from the box to the TV directly and optical from the box to the AVR (you lose the GUI overlay but maintain the capability to watch TV without having to power on the AVR).

With either configuration, the audio quality via optical as compared to the former HDMI input to the AVR is no different.

Not sure if this has been covered, but I have been having some problems when I turn off the receiver while playing Pandora on my 2113.

Below are the steps to take:
1) Sign into Pandora
2) Play a station
3) Turn off receiver
4) Turn on the receiver

When the receiver is back on, the internet radio seems to be stuck in some weird state where nothing plays until I back out until I find the initial splash screen with all the radio icons. If I go back into Pandora again, everything works fine.

Anyone else experiencing this? Anything I can do to fix it?

Yup. Make sure to shut down the network source before powering off the AVR.

nope...

however... what speakers are you using for center/sats? those numbers indicate one of the following:

- really tiny speakers...
- poor speaker serup...
- poor audyssey measuring technique...

the first one, you can't do anything about, short of replacing the speakers... the second 2 are "fixable"... if it's the second two, i would make the effort to do something about it, as a 150hz xover for the center is going to localize some male voices to the sub....

In case someone else has this problem - I ended up calling Denon support and described the troubleshooting process I'd gone through. They didn't have any other suggestions and indicated that the unit should be returned.

I exchanged it for a new one, and I have not had the same problem.

For now, my speakers are "vintage" KLH surround sound form the late 90s. Eventually Ill upgrade, although I like the fronts. I have 900b, 3way fronts with 8" woofers, a 2 speaker center and small 4"x5" surrounds. I think the speaker sizes in the center and the surounds are either 3' or 4". I recently replaced the passive sub with a BIC F12.
I think I may have the surrounds too high, about 3' above ear level. Maybe Ill lower them 6" and rerun audessey and see what happens. I wonder if the 8" woofers in the fronts caused the low initial 40 reading which I raised to 80. At least i got the sub to -2, it was -12 and rumbled durring certain news broadcasts dialogue.

Anyone know the percentage increase of power consumption in standby WRT HDMI Control enabled v disabled on AVR-3313?

I'm curious as I enabled HDMI control yesterday for port control only (no power switching) and hoping my electrical billing won't substantially increase.
Edited by Iain- - 12/11/12 at 9:07am

I can't comment on the S3 specifically, but I have a Galaxy Nexus, which should be very similar (just a slightly smaller screen). I have had an AVR-1713 for about a week, and I have tried a few different apps for interfacing with the Denon.

The official Denon app works well, if a bit slowly. I also didn't find it particularly intuitive, but after fooling around with it getting used to the layout, I find it pretty convenient to use.

The highest rated app I found was AVR Remote. I find its network discovery a bit painful, but once you have your AVR discovered the performance seems more reliably quick than the official Denon app. However, it does not automatically display only the functions that are applicable to your specific AVR. For my 1713 for example, the list of inputs includes a whole bunch which may be applicable to other AVRs, but are not available on the 1713. This may be configurable, but I haven't bothered to try it further as the official app is good enough for my needs.

As for Airplay, there are a few things to consider. First is that it is possible to use the AirPlay protocol from Android. I've used the doubleTwist app, which has a (paid) AirPlay output feature. Secondly, there are a number of apps which let you use the uPnP/DLNA protocol to stream audio from your phone to your AVR, very similarly to AirPlay. In fact, you can set up a media server like MediaTomb or XBMC and use your smartphone to play media from the server on the AVR. I've personally used BubbleUPnP, but there are many others available as well. Be aware that I had a problem with low volume on the network input after using BubbleUPnP to control playback volume on the AVR. I had to return one AVR-1713, and haven't tried it yet on the new one.

Ive thought about getting a Pioneer spc21 center that matches the F52s and seeing if it would work with my KLH 900b fronts, and eventually getting the Pioneer f52 fronts and using the klh 900bs as surrounds. The pioneer center is $100.00 at bestbuy, might be cheaper elsewhere and they price match. Dont know if the mismatch would be any worse than the KLH center im using now.
Edited by Teletodd - 12/11/12 at 11:02am

Hey Guys

Just got my 2113 lastnight and was looking to get some tweek ideas.

My speakers are all klipsch

WF-34's front
WC- 24 center
(4) WB-14 for surrounds and rear surrounds
RW-12d

How would you guru's setup this config.

Thanks!

thanks mcglausa

My 3313 is in my basement. My tv is in my family room, 1 floor up. I know I can get some sort of extension, but it's gonna have to be pretty big. How long can i run the wire without losing effectiveness? Is there another way to calibrate without audyssey?

Denon AVR1613-

This morning I had a pulsing effect on Airplay, and on USB'd iPhone, but not on TV play. The Sammy TV is connected to the AVR via optical, and played without a hitch. The sound would cut out for a second every three or four seconds. Turned off receiver several times, rebooted devices, no luck. Turned off router when USB connected in case interference came from other devices on the LAN or outside. Powered unit off for ten minutes+, and that fixed it.

I'd like to know what caused this! Anyone know? Any preventatives?

Sorry to bump my question but does anyone have any similar experiences with the Denon 2113/2313's?

Also since we're having discussions about crossovers and audyssey etc. If I run Audysssey and it says my crossover is 80hz even though my speakers are only rated for 115hz at which point should I set the crossover?

Standby - 0.1W
HDMI Control (ON) - 0.5W
IP Control (ON) - 2.7W

I moved my sat speakers 6" down and reran audyssey. Sub is now -1.5, fronts at 60, and center still at 150 and Sats 250. I raised fronts to 80, thinking about lowering center, maybe to 100 ? If so should I also lower sats?

Only 1 extra 25' extension (total 50'). Although you can use the manual setup to calibrate the speakers, it won't compare to Audyssey.

The lack of a response points towards returning your unit. Leave the crossovers set per the AVR rather than per the mfr's listed ratings.

Thanks for that regarding the crossover.
In regards to the other things I guess I'll exchange it this weekend, I just found it odd that in my case it has happened to both a 2113 and a 2313. I must just have some rotten luck with Denon... :P

Thanks, Ive been reading the audyssey FAQ again and saw where its not recommended to lower crossovers. It sounds fine to me. I think I'll wait on replacing the center and the fronts for now. Thanks for all the help.