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Right, you can't combine another video source with any network stream. Your best bet in this case would be to connect the video for that source straight to the TV -- for example, If you are trying to watch TV while listening to music, if you connect your cable box straight to the TV with HDMI (bypassing the receiver for video) you can select that video source on the TV while choosing a different audio source on the receiver.
post #3872 of 10468
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Thank you for the prompt reply.
Are you or anyone else that has the 1913 able to test this? I ask because this is a major reason I would be getting the 1913 so I need to be sure. My current receiver has a huge number of steps to make this work, and my wife/daughter simply don't use it for that reason.
Thank you.

Is anyone able to please test this to confirm? Apologies if I've mangled the posts, but I want to know the following:

1. Using an iPhone/iPad/whatever initiate an AirPlay connection with the 1913 (or higher) and have the output going to both Main and Zone 2.

2. Put the receiver in standby

3. Using the iPhone/iPad/whatever initiate another AirPlay connection ... which I understand should turn the receiver back on

My question: is the output going to both Main and Zone 2 when the receiver turns back on? In other words, does the receiver remember if Main/Zone 2 were both on?

The reason I am asking is that I am hoping it is not necessary to turn on Zone 2 every time the receiver is turned on from standby. Thank you!

Hi - I just tested this for you. If you let Airplay turn on the receiver for you, it does NOT turn on zone 2. It only turns on main zone, even if zone 2 was on when you turned it off.

As a side wrinkle, you actually can't turn off both zones with the remote, the power button only affects the zone you are controlling. The only way AFAICT to turn off both zones together is to use the "all zones" power button in the iPhone/iPad app.

That does however lead to a potential solution for you, provided you can train the ladies to use the Denon app. If you FIRST use the "all zones" power button to turn on the main zone and zone 2 simultaneously, and then switch to the Music app and start the Airplay stream, it will go to both zones.
post #3873 of 10468
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Hi - I just tested this for you. If you let Airplay turn on the receiver for you, it does NOT turn on zone 2. It only turns on main zone, even if zone 2 was on when you turned it off.
As a side wrinkle, you actually can't turn off both zones with the remote, the power button only affects the zone you are controlling. The only way AFAICT to turn off both zones together is to use the "all zones" power button in the iPhone/iPad app.
That does however lead to a potential solution for you, provided you can train the ladies to use the Denon app. If you FIRST use the "all zones" power button to turn on the main zone and zone 2 simultaneously, and then switch to the Music app and start the Airplay stream, it will go to both zones.

THANK YOU! I sincerely appreciate you going through the effort to do the test, and I think the workaround with the Denon app is reasonable. Now I just need to scrounge the dough to get the receiver...
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If anyone could help me I would greatly appreciate it. I downloaded the app and cant get it to work. I get to the screen where you can modify the buttons and than I cant get past that screen. I have no power off button up top and all i can do is edit the buttons on my screen. Is there a way to get to the screen to actually use the app, because I dont know what Im doing. Thanks for the help
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

This specific area is truly a personal preference zone. Some people will want 2ch left as 2ch, some people like the "blast it all out" sound of MultiCH Stereo, others want the more subtly "steered" sound of a multich processing mode like PLII Music or DTS:Neo Music. It's also worth noting that the "Music" upmix modes have some adjustable parameters to allow you to tweak the soundfield.
I would make a playlist of some of your favorite tracks and then just spend some time experimenting. Also worth noting that if you use Dynamic EQ with music, you should set the "Reference Level Offset" down to 10 or 15 or else the bass can get muddy/boomy and the surrounds too loud (especially in multich stereo mode).
Personally, I prefer PLII Music mode at the default settings with a Reference Offset of 10dB, that works for me on the vast majority of my music. But it will vary by taste, room, etc.

I know like 2 pages of posts have been put up since now, but had to thank you for this. I'm gonna try this out this weekend. Ever since a party I threw right after I got my first 1911 and it kept shorting out as I was turning it on, I've steered far away from dynamic ANYTHING sound related. I'm still not entirely sure why it kept shorting out but my guess is because I didn't understand the settings yet and had the receiver on Stereo and dynamic volume. Either way I think its about time I ventured back in, at least in the Dynamic EQ.
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to be honest I'm not exactly sure what you are asking. You wouldn't have to actually go in and reassign inputs if you are using the method of multiple connections to the display. The Harmony activities can automate the input switching, or you can program buttons on the LCD screen to switch inputs on the TV or receiver. No fancy discretes are needed, the input switching commands should be built into your Harmony.

I'm sorry about this, I did realize I didn't include the most important piece of information: My setup is already all installed with only one HDMI cable running behind the wall. I could try to fish another cable or 2 through there but its really tight and thats frankly more manual labor than I'm willing to do for the rare occasion I want to play video games and listen to music. I was just hoping somewhere in those 30 pages of hex codes there was a "cycle audio input" or something. Just wondering if you knew of one or had an suggestions for what to look for...
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I just deployed an AVR-1913 and have what is probably a stupid question. If I hook up a device such as a blu-ray player, an Apple TV or a Roku directly to my TV via HDMI I get both audio and video. However, if I connect them to the AVR and the AVR to the TV (all with HDMI) I get picture but no sound on the TV. I would like the option of muting the AVR and listening to the TV speakers on occasion. Am I missing something?
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Thread Starter 
This is expected behavior -- the receiver is there to play the audio, so by default it will pass the video through but "strip" the audio to be processed and played on your speakers.

To pass the audio through to the TV speakers, you have two options:

Option 1) If you will only use one source primarily for TV-speakers-only viewing, you can use the HDMI Standby Passthrough feature, which will pass through the designated HDMI input when the receiver is off to the TV. You need to enable HDMI Control, and then designate which HDMI input is the passthrough source. This is done in the "Video" setup menu under HDMI Setup.

Option 2) You can go into that same "HDMI Setup" menu and just change the HDMI Audio Out setting to "TV", which will pass through all HDMI audio to the TV (basically turning the receiver into an HDMI switchbox).
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Originally Posted by sethfeinberg View Post

Ever since a party I threw right after I got my first 1911 and it kept shorting out as I was turning it on, I've steered far away from dynamic ANYTHING sound related. I'm still not entirely sure why it kept shorting out but my guess is because I didn't understand the settings yet and had the receiver on Stereo and dynamic volume. Either way I think its about time I ventured back in, at least in the Dynamic EQ..

If the receiver was shutting down in "protect mode" then it almost certainly wasn't user error. Most likely cause is a speaker short, check all your wiring carefully and make sure there are no loose strands or anything. If the speaker wire is good, it may have just been overheating. Is the receiver in an enclosed cabinet? Were you cranking it REALLY loud?

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I'm sorry about this, I did realize I didn't include the most important piece of information: My setup is already all installed with only one HDMI cable running behind the wall. I could try to fish another cable or 2 through there but its really tight and thats frankly more manual labor than I'm willing to do for the rare occasion I want to play video games and listen to music. I was just hoping somewhere in those 30 pages of hex codes there was a "cycle audio input" or something. Just wondering if you knew of one or had an suggestions for what to look for..

ah, OK, understood. It gets a little complicated, and the exact solution will depend on the goal.

There is a discrete code for Input Mode cycling -- this setting determines for a given input whether the receiver should look for the audio from the HDMI input, the digital input (coax or optical), or the analog input. However, it can't really be used to "mix" two different input names. As I discuss on my website, the input names are the "faucets" and those connections on the back are the plumbing... to coordinate two different inputs you need to coordinate the plumbing with the name. So, for example, if your PS3 is on the "GAME" input (HDMI) and you want to play PS3 while listening to audio from your Apple TV, you would need to connect the optical input of the Apple TV and then assign that optical so its also associated with the "GAME" input name. Then, by toggling the input mode from "Auto" or "HDMI" to "Digital" it will take the HDMI video but force the audio from the digital optical input.

If you want the ability to freely mix any audio source with any video source... it gets complicated. There's not a really easy way to accomplish that unfortunately due to the restrictions on HDMI sources.
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Hey guys. This is a very informative thread. I recently bought an AVR-1613 and it has been fantastic. I am a big fan of Denon so far. I do have one little issue that I'm sure others have had and probably resolved. I tried searching the thread and if the solution is out there I must have overlooked it. I am trying to play Airplay from my Mac and it works great for the first few songs. Then all of a sudden I don't hear anything anymore. When I check Itunes on my Mac the songs are still playing and it shows it is still pointing to the Denon receiver, however there is no sound. If I pause it and start it then it starts working again. Any ideas why it would do that? The receiver appears to be displaying the correct (current) song. Thanks for any ideas/help!
post #3880 of 10468
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

This is expected behavior -- the receiver is there to play the audio, so by default it will pass the video through but "strip" the audio to be processed and played on your speakers.
To pass the audio through to the TV speakers, you have two options:
Option 1) If you will only use one source primarily for TV-speakers-only viewing, you can use the HDMI Standby Passthrough feature, which will pass through the designated HDMI input when the receiver is off to the TV. You need to enable HDMI Control, and then designate which HDMI input is the passthrough source. This is done in the "Video" setup menu under HDMI Setup.
Option 2) You can go into that same "HDMI Setup" menu and just change the HDMI Audio Out setting to "TV", which will pass through all HDMI audio to the TV (basically turning the receiver into an HDMI switchbox).

Thanks, that's what I was afraid of. I guess I was hoping for a "both" choice for HDMI Audio Out, then I could mute one or the other.
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Hey. What audio selections donuts guys use for movies and sports? I'm confused about plii, virtual, basically every setting and when to use em. Just curious which u guys use
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Most likely use DD PLII - Cinema to simulate stereo 2.0 to 5.1 and then DD/DTS signals will pass as 5.1 with this setting as well.
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Can any 1613 owner that is using a PS3 confirm whether passing a 1080p video signal is actually being played as 1080p or is being played as 1080i by the AVR? Thanks.

hi there,

Thanks for posting this for me. I finally resolve the problem.... It is the hdmi cable

This is what I had tried..
1). change to a shorter hdml cable (from 6 feet to 3 feet). Help a little bit. but still see blue flash line
2). buy a new hdmi cable from RadioShake. no help
3). switch to different hdmi post on the back of 1613. No help
4). turn off Deep Color on PS3. Help a lot, but get only 1080i. no blue flash line

The turning point is I bought a pair of hdmi cables(Ethernet) from Amazon(AmazonBasic) and just keep Denon settings to default. I can get full 1080p now. I am so happy that I can keep Denon 1613. Almost two weeks of testings frown.gif

I have complains about the Denon support. No help at all :<<br />
Anyway, big help from you. Thank you smile.gif
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Need some advice. Need to get my parents a receiver for Christmas. I've had the AVR-790 and currently the 3312CI so I want to stay in the Denon family as that's what I'm familiar with. I don't want to have to buy more receiver than they need. This is what they will be using the receiver for:

TV audio in stereo; most likely 2 bookshelf speakers up front with the option of adding rears which I doubt they'll ever do.
Additionally they have two (passive) speakers at the front of the house that they would like to play music through along with the two (possibly 4) speakers in the television room.
I do like the iphone control integration as my parents have iphones.. however they don't have wired internet coming into the location with the receiver. Thinking powerline will be the best option.
Hooked to the receiver will be, comcast box, apple TV and cd player. He also may occasionally use the front hdmi to plugin a laptop.

With that said I'm assuming the minimum model I could get is the 1913 with powered zone 2 for the additional front room speakers. Or is there a way I could get away with this using the 1613? Slightly annoyed with the practically full msrp on the 1913's currently everywhere.

Thanks for any recommendations
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The 1713 would be the lowest model with Zone 2 capability (all be it by adding a 2CH amp to the Zone 2 pre-outs) with the 1913 being the lowest "powered" Zone 2 model. For the best prices, check with AVS Sales and Electronics Expo by "calling" them, not checking their websites. smile.gif Also check all of the Best Buy stores in your (their) local area for great clearance prices on last year's XX12 models, which would also serve them just as well (noting networking starts on the 1912 though).
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Hi all. Purchased this AVR (Denon 1713) yesterday and cannot output 1080p via the xbox only 1080i. Its really fustrating me now, have swapped HDMI's cables and ports but still unable, changed alot of settings on xbox and AVR still the same. Any ideas on fixing this would be highly appriciated. Another issue is with my cable box which only outputs DD 5.1 via Optical and not HDMI, I have plugged both in and set the digital resource to Optical, but still only outputting in Dolby PL 2. Apart from this everything is ok. But if I dont get these issues fixed soon i think I may have to return it.
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Ok Apple TV AirPlay question. So I have ATV2 hooked up to media player via hdmi. I get the menu screen and everything works fine. But when I try to use airplay to watch video over ATV, I only get sound. The menu screen stays up there and I see the title of the show pop up, but only sound, not the actual video. Any I deas?
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^^^

- what is the originating source?

- from what device are you streaming to the atv?

the issue lies with one of those... for example, it can't be the avr, it would have no way of knowing that the video was sent to the atv via airplay... it's virtually certain it is not the atv, as it is source agnostic when receiving a stream...
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Originally Posted by raptor89 View Post

Hi all. Purchased this AVR (Denon 1713) yesterday and cannot output 1080p via the xbox only 1080i. Its really fustrating me now, have swapped HDMI's cables and ports but still unable, changed alot of settings on xbox and AVR still the same. Any ideas on fixing this would be highly appriciated. Another issue is with my cable box which only outputs DD 5.1 via Optical and not HDMI, I have plugged both in and set the digital resource to Optical, but still only outputting in Dolby PL 2. Apart from this everything is ok. But if I dont get these issues fixed soon i think I may have to return it.

- likely an edid issue from the sink... what display?

- you are sending "stereo" from the cable box... either you haven't changed the setting in the cable box that allows mch audio (vs, downmixing to stereo), or the shows you are warching are being broadcast in strereo...

just as a fwiw... the "problems" (and this isn't just hdmi related, nor directed specifically at you) that people experience when they buy a new avr is almost never the fault of the avr... smile.gif

"problem solving" for many would be much easier if they always kept that in mind... wink.gif
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42" panny plasma. Have solved the xbox issue. The long HDMI from TV to AVR seems to be at fault, i tried connecting a shorter one and was fine with 1080p. Its a cheap 5m HDMI from fleabay, time to return it I think.

Still trying the other issue
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Originally Posted by raptor89 View Post

Hi all. Purchased this AVR (Denon 1713) yesterday and cannot output 1080p via the xbox only 1080i. Its really fustrating me now, have swapped HDMI's cables and ports but still unable, changed alot of settings on xbox and AVR still the same. Any ideas on fixing this would be highly appriciated. Another issue is with my cable box which only outputs DD 5.1 via Optical and not HDMI, I have plugged both in and set the digital resource to Optical, but still only outputting in Dolby PL 2. Apart from this everything is ok. But if I dont get these issues fixed soon i think I may have to return it.

1. For the video issue, have you confirmed you are using High Speed (1080p) vice Standard Speed (1080i/720p) cables?
2. Ensure the proper Digital source name being used (eg. CBL/SAT) is set to "OPTICAL" as well as setting the INPUT MODE (p. 94) to "Digital".
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These are the HDMI cables ;

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280999899015

DD 5.1 on cable box now sorted thanks.
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I have ATV 2 plugged into media player via hdmi. I am using my iPad to AirPlay the video over the network. The video is on my main computer and I was using iPad shared over the network to try and airplay onto the screen
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^^^

Here's a couple things to try

1. Move a video from iTunes on your computer to the iPad and try to Airplay that from the Video app on the iPad.

2. Ensure the app you are trying to do a video airplay with actually can do video airplay, most video apps don't.

But other than just to test, why would you want to do it the way you describe? You can just use the shared iTunes library on your ATV2 without doing the dual-streaming you are trying.
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[quote name="ccotenjthe "problems" (and this isn't just hdmi related, nor directed specifically at you) that people experience when they buy a new avr is almost never the fault of the avr... smile.gif
"problem solving" for many would be much easier if they always kept that in mind... wink.gif[/quote]

Well other than the new AVR may be doing things a bit differently than the previous ones which makes for misunderstandings and some setup issues, I would agree. smile.gif

But take my case. I unplugged 5 HDMI sources, and one HDMI output from my old AVR and plugged them right into the new 2113ci and ran setup. You'd think that at that point all would be working just fine. But because of some twitchiness between the video output resolution 'auto' setting and my BluRay, it wasn't. Theoretically 'auto' should work, tv reports res it supports, BR and AVR see that and only select those res's. But instead it just wouldn't hold sync in the BR menus, only in the playback of the BR or DVD disk. Setting to fixed on the AVR fixed that, no other changes would.
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HDMI connections are sometimes "iffy" at best .... be thankful they work the first time connected when they do. smile.gif
post #3897 of 10468
^^^

Yep, I've used them long enough to be well aware of the 'iffy' prospect of HDMI! Best committee designed connection out there! smile.gif

I had to change my ATV2 settings to ensure it doesn't get turned off 'cause all too often the hdmi sync wouldn't 'catch'.
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Hi All,

First post on the forum, so would appreciate your input

I am looking for a receiver and found the AVR-3313CI and thought it would serve my needs

After reading a few posts, now I'm not so sure it would be worth my while, anyways this is what I am trying to setup:

Theater room:
Mitsubishi Projector
PS3
Cable Box
Receiver

Lounge:
Bravia LCD
iR Kit to control the Cable box

I want to:

- connect both the Bravia and Mitsubishi with HDMI to the Receiver
- watch a Movie on the PS3/Projector and at the same time watch Cable TV in the Lounge (not all the time)
- Install some in-ceiling speakers in the Lounge in the future and drive them from the amp

Is this possible with the inbuilt matrix switch in the 3313 ? Or do I need to connect the TV with a different cable to get it to work through the receiver

I don't really want to be switching cables all the time (from cable box to receiver/TV)

Basically I want to know if I would be wasting my money on having multiple HDMI outputs on the receiver, or I would be better served by a cheaper model

I know its a long post, but I appreciate any input, I'm starting to get a headache with all this!

Thanks in advance!
post #3899 of 10468
Welcome to AVS Forum! smile.gif

Yes. You can either use the 3313CI to ....

(1) Power a 5.1/7.1 setup with the PJ and send Zone 2 (HDMI) audio/video to the TV,

or

(2) Power a 5.1 setup with the PJ and a Zone 2 (2.0) setup for the LCD,

or

(3) Power a 7.1 setup with the PJ and connect the Zone 2 pre-outs to an external 2CH amp to power the speakers for the LCD.
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Not sure if I've introduced myself here, but I'm new to AVS. Just wanted to drop some Major Props to jdsmoothie and Batpig. Your posts here as well as Batpig's site have been very educational. They lead me to feel comfortable that purchasing the Denon AVR-1713 was the right choice for me, and helped this newbie use Audyssey correctly and then make the necessary post-Audyssey tweaks. Thank you for all your posts and time to help us.
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