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post #391 of 10468
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Originally Posted by hkp2k View Post

Hi guys,
I am getting ready to start a surround sound system that at first will consist of two Aperion Verus Forte towers and am looking for a Denon receiver to match up with them. I was settled on a 2113ci (I saw somewhere that they were going for $500 from J&R), but I also ran across a deal where I can get a 3312ci for $674 delivered. I don't need most of the additional features, but I am wondering if the extra power will give me anything. I have read that it takes doubling the wattage to give an audible 3db, and the 30 watt increase will obviously not do that, but I am also reading about headroom, and transients and am wondering if this 30 watts will make a difference driving my speakers.
Any thoughts?


The Forte are 6ohm speakers and the center and surrounds are mere 85 db sensitive, although the 2113 is rated for 6ohm speakers and would probably run your system just fine, I would opt for the 3312 if you plan to match your towers with the Forte center and surrounds for the little extra headroom and the ability to add an external amp if needed.
post #392 of 10468
For some of you that showed interest on the 3312CI, Amazon is having a Gold Box deal for this bad boy for $549.99 today. Sale starts now, or until it runs out and I'm pretty sure it will!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/goldbox?ref_=pe_36900_24358260
post #393 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

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No the 30W won't make any difference, but if you decide you want more power, the main zone pre-outs will. smile.gif
Edit: Although if you can buy today, June 15, Amazon has a 1 day Gold Box special going on.
Got in on the Amazon deal. Thanks!
post #394 of 10468
Does anyone know what video processing chip is in the new line? I am specifically interested in the models that perform the 4K up-conversion (3313 and the forthcoming 4520).

Thanks for any information.

Mark
post #395 of 10468
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All of the Denon CI models perform the 4K upscaling/pass through and use chips from the same company as last year, Analog Devices, although the chips are newer: 2113CI - AD 8003-3, 2313CI/3313CI - AD 8003-2
post #396 of 10468
Would you guys say that the 3312Cl is overall better than the 2313Cl? Amazon's deal on the 3312 is tempting.
post #397 of 10468
Yup ... and most especially at that price.
post #398 of 10468
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Originally Posted by benso37 View Post

Would you guys say that the 3312Cl is overall better than the 2313Cl? Amazon's deal on the 3312 is tempting.

I had 0 reasons for the 4k so 3312 is definitely my cup of tea...and by the time 4K is the real deal then the receivers will be a whole new generation so it was no brainer to get 3312
post #399 of 10468
I'm somewhat of a novice with this stuff, but can someone just confirm: with the new xx13 models I would be apple to stream airplay to Zone 2 outdoor speakers while simultaneously watch tv on zone 1 indoors? Thanks.
post #400 of 10468
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Yes. See post #351 for more details.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1409431/the-official-denon-avr-xx13-model-owners-thread-faq/350_50#post_22120304
post #401 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

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No the 30W won't make any difference, but if you decide you want more power, the main zone pre-outs will. smile.gif
Edit: Although if you can buy today, June 15, Amazon has a 1 day Gold Box special going on.

Ack! eek.gif Just bought the 2113CI (being delivered from Amazon today). Could have had this for $100 less?!? Ouchie. mad.gif I will have to make sure to stream lots of XM from my receiver...
post #402 of 10468
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.... and Spotify when the update comes later this summer. smile.gif
post #403 of 10468
Lemme ask...can you overlay streamed music onto an input (namely HDMI)?

Like let's say I have DirecTV running on HDMI one...can I overlay it with streamed Spotify content (when it's available)?

I currently stream to an appletv and simply use its toslink output over the DirecTV HDMI. Works fine, but I'd like to give the Denon a try directly as I'm sure it won't upsample the stream to 48khz like the appletv does.

I'm assuming this WON'T be possible btw, just want to make sure.

thanks and have a great weekend everyone,

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 6/15/12 at 8:30am
post #404 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

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.... and Spotify when the update comes later this summer. smile.gif

Not to go OT but Spotify requires a subscription to use anywhere but your computer right? Looks like $10/mo to use it on my Receiver/iPhone/iPad.

-Greg
Edited by Greg G - 6/15/12 at 8:05am
post #405 of 10468
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Based on what the Spotify website indicates, you have to have the "Premium" account $10/month to use on the AVR.

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post #406 of 10468
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Yea - that is what I saw too. Was hoping I was wrong smile.gif I guess it makes sense since how do they make money on text Ads if it is streaming via a receiver. I have 48hrs free on my iPad and think it's pretty amazing but I'll stick with Pandora for free and hope their audio Ads are enough to keep them in business.
post #407 of 10468
One more OT comment on a Friday won't hurt, will it?

Just wanted to give a little "hype" for Spotify. To me, if you're REALLY into music, it's a no brainer at $9.99 a month. I nearly jumped ship when they were gonna force everyone to have a FB account, but they (smartly) relented.

To have 99% of the music in existence right at your fingertips, on demand, is invaluable, imo. Sure, there's a few major artists omitted, but the beauty with Spotify (at least on your CPU) is that you can easily integrate your existing itunes library with it. That reality, coupled with 320kbps streaming, means you can't really use quality or some missing artists as an "excuse". That was my stance for the longest time, anyway. smile.gif

I have 1000+ CD's...most ripped into itunes, but as as soon as you can get past the hurdle of having to "own" all of your music, I think many find it difficult to go back. I know I won't.

I'd suggest everyone just try it, you can always cancel immediately. The ipad/iphone interface with the Denon's compatibility could be quite glorious for many.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program...


James
post #408 of 10468
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

Lemme ask...can you overlay streamed music onto an input (namely HDMI)?
Like let's say I have DirecTV running on HDMI one...can I overlay it with streamed Spotify content (when it's available)?
I currently stream to an appletv and simply use its toslink output over the DirecTV HDMI. Works fine, but I'd like to give the Denon a try directly as I'm sure it won't upsample the stream to 48khz like the appletv does.
I'm assuming this WON'T be possible btw, just want to make sure.
thanks and have a great weekend everyone,
James

Your best bet is in addition to the HDMI cable, also connect a component cable from the DirecTV box and with the audio source playing, use the Video Select setting to select the component video source.
post #409 of 10468
Thread Starter 
James - since we're OT.... can you expand on what you mean by Spotify "integrates with your iTunes library"? I'm not following what that implies. I'm still a little hazy on Spotify. How's the sound quality on those 320kbps streams? And any dropouts our buffering issues with that kind of bitrate?


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Lemme ask...can you overlay streamed music onto an input (namely HDMI)?

unfortunately no, nothing has changed on that front. The ever-more-vestigial "Video Select" feature still won't allow HDMI video signals and you can't "assign" internally streamed network audio to another video stream. You can do it with an external streaming box (as you know) by adding an SPDIF or analog audio connection and then using "Input Mode"

the only way you can mix audio streamed direct to the receiver with a different video stream would be:

1 - the video you want to watch is connected to the receiver with a non-HDMI video cable, allowing you to use the "Video Select" function (this is the solution I use, FYI, with cable box connected to receiver with component video so I can VSelect it and watch a game with music on)

2 - the video you want to watch is connected to the TV directly, bypassed the receiver for video (so you can change input on the TV to the video you want while using receiver for streaming audio)
post #410 of 10468
Ok, I just received the 3313Ci yesterday and had it hooked up in my family room. It's replacing my 4+yrs old Yamaha RX-V1800. One of the reason I'm upgrading besides 3D is it's upscaling capability on non-HD feed (like SD DirecTV channels). When I go into the manual and set it to upscale (and set to 1080p res.), the screen blank, then volia, the TV is reporting it's receiving 1080p from the SD channel (or anything non-1080p). However, when I turned the receiver off, and back on, it lost the upscaling and just feed the original res.? Menu still saying upscaling On, and all setting is the same. If I change the setting (like turn upscaling off then on again, or change the res. output), it'll upscale back to 1080p again.

Am I missing something?? What can I do to have it pick up the non-1080p signal and upscale it every time?? confused.gif

Thank in advance guys!

Btw, I do like it especially the GUI overlay. But again, if it's not upscaling, like watching 480p channel/feed, I even lost the GUI overlay feature too!
post #411 of 10468
Thread Starter 
first thing to do is check if this is just happening with DirecTV. there was recent firmware update which is causing all sorts of HDMI issues including what you just described. that's the likely issue....
post #412 of 10468
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Cable/sat boxes often cause issues like this. Before trying to get it to work, I would first confirm whether or not the cable/sat box or the TV itself can do just as good or better a job of upscaling.
post #413 of 10468
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

first thing to do is check if this is just happening with DirecTV. there was recent firmware update which is causing all sorts of HDMI issues including what you just described. that's the likely issue....
Hmmmm...... I really only watched non-1080p contents from DirecTV. Most of my other video source are backup Bluray rip. May be I'll try to pull some SD content from the Popcorn Hour and see if the AVR will automatically picked up & convert the non-1080p signals....

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

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Cable/sat boxes often cause issues like this. Before trying to get it to work, I would first confirm whether or not the cable/sat box or the TV itself can do just as good or better a job of upscaling.
Yes, I do like the AVR's upscaling PQ than the TV's. That's why I would like to keep it upscaling all non-1080p contents.
post #414 of 10468
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Originally Posted by 80sGuy View Post

For some of you that showed interest on the 3312CI, Amazon is having a Gold Box deal for this bad boy for $549.99 today. Sale starts now, or until it runs out and I'm pretty sure it will!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/goldbox?ref_=pe_36900_24358260

Was all set to get the 3313CI until I saw this deal. Coudn't pass it up, only 9 left folks!!
post #415 of 10468
^^My friend had just phoned me and said that he'd already bought one from the Gold Box deal.
post #416 of 10468
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Originally Posted by landshark1 View Post

Ok, I just received the 3313Ci yesterday and had it hooked up in my family room. It's replacing my 4+yrs old Yamaha RX-V1800. One of the reason I'm upgrading besides 3D is it's upscaling capability on non-HD feed (like SD DirecTV channels). When I go into the manual and set it to upscale (and set to 1080p res.), the screen blank, then volia, the TV is reporting it's receiving 1080p from the SD channel (or anything non-1080p). However, when I turned the receiver off, and back on, it lost the upscaling and just feed the original res.? Menu still saying upscaling On, and all setting is the same. If I change the setting (like turn upscaling off then on again, or change the res. output), it'll upscale back to 1080p again.
Am I missing something?? What can I do to have it pick up the non-1080p signal and upscale it every time?? confused.gif
Thank in advance guys!
Btw, I do like it especially the GUI overlay. But again, if it's not upscaling, like watching 480p channel/feed, I even lost the GUI overlay feature too!

Ok, a little more test, when I first turn on the AVR, it did upscale the signal to 1080p regardless the channel from the DirecTV box. However, as soon as I change to a different channel, it lost the upscaling too and just pass thru whatever the input signal is. Is it normal for most modern AVR (has problem with DirecTV box)? Or it's just being too new & might need a firmware fix down the road?
post #417 of 10468
Thread Starter 
I already told you -- this problem is due to a firmware update that was recently released on the DirecTV box. Not the receiver.
post #418 of 10468
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I already told you -- this problem is due to a firmware update that was recently released on the DirecTV box. Not the receiver.
Thanks. So hopefully DirecTV will "fix" it in the next update (fingers crossing). cool.gif
post #419 of 10468
Can a 3312CI be rack mounted? I can't seem to find any info on a kit online. Thanks!
post #420 of 10468
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AFAIK, it uses a 4RU rack mounting kit, but no idea on source.
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