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post #3991 of 10465
Quick question about 2113, If say I have my blu ray player plugged into it and i wanna watch a film but not using the avr would it still work or would I have to unplug cables and go with blu ray player connected straight to the TV ?
post #3992 of 10465
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Originally Posted by MarkEHansen View Post

I recently purchased a 3313CI from One Call. I called them and got a great price, plus they shipped to me for free (and it was really fast shipping too!). They are an authorized e-retailer for Denon. I'm very happy with my purchase. You have to call them to get the best price. Their number is at the top of their page.
It looks like they still have the 3313CI in stock:
http://www.onecall.com/denon-avr-3313ci-7-2-channel-3d-home-theater-receiver

Are you guys who are buying the 3313CI really running multiple zones and using dual HDMI outs?

I purchased the 3313CI and and after learning more about the real lack or benefit from the increase in wattage from 105 to 125, I'm going to exchange mine for the 2313CI which is less and still offers all the features that "I" will actually use.

I originally purchased the 3313CI for the increase in power thinking that my B&W speakers would be powered better, sound better but thats not really the case going from 105 to 125.
Edited by drober30 - 12/18/12 at 9:58am
post #3993 of 10465
Having read more than half the posts in this thread, I decided I'll buy a 2313 in january.

Questions:
1. How do I best for low cost make a hdmi-split 2 input (maybe more in future) and 3 out (maybe 4 in future) so I can listen to spotify And watch cable-tv or ps3 at the same time. Does Y-cables equal lower quality - should it rather be 1 or more switches / splitters. Don't think I'll need matrix where more screens are active simultaniously.

Setup
PS3 slim
Cable-recorder-VOD-box
Panasonic plasma 50G20
Denon 2313 with Dali Ikon 7.1
Projector to be bought

I want hdmi from both ps3 and cablebox via splitter to tv, avr and projector

I found some 2x4 splitters but they cost like half a 2313 in Denmark. On Monoprice I found this 2x4-splitter

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10113&cs_id=1011310&p_id=8156&seq=1&format=3#specification

But:
2. Does it support 3D?
3. It says refresh rate 50/60 hz - does that mean no 24 hz?
4. Do you know if they ship abroad?

Greetings
Erling1000
post #3994 of 10465
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by tjsbuyer View Post

Thanks. Can you set different options for different inputs. For instance, can I choose to do have the AVR do scaling on the "Sat' HDMI input only and just pass through the signal on the "Bluray" HDMI input?

Yes, Video processing settings are memorized by input.
post #3995 of 10465
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Originally Posted by MarkEHansen View Post

I recently purchased a 3313CI from One Call. I called them and got a great price, plus they shipped to me for free (and it was really fast shipping too!). They are an authorized e-retailer for Denon. I'm very happy with my purchase. You have to call them to get the best price. Their number is at the top of their page.
It looks like they still have the 3313CI in stock:
http://www.onecall.com/denon-avr-3313ci-7-2-channel-3d-home-theater-receiver


Another place to check out is Electronic Expo. Call or Chat with Henrique to great price ...possibly match xx12 prices
post #3996 of 10465
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Daveyyy View Post

Quick question about 2113, If say I have my blu ray player plugged into it and i wanna watch a film but not using the avr would it still work or would I have to unplug cables and go with blu ray player connected straight to the TV ?

All current Denon models feature HDMI passthrough in standby. You need to enable HDMI Control in the receiver's HDMI settings (found in the "Video" menu) and then designate either a specific source to pass through, or set it to "last source used". When the receiver is shut down to standby, it will passively pass through the designed HDMI input to your TV.

BTW - make sure to leave the HDMI Audio Out set to "AMP" and not "TV", this setting controls the behavior when the receiver is ON, not when it's in standby.
post #3997 of 10465
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by sanguinicus View Post

Is anyone else having an issue with streaming from a media server? If I go to the Network input, play music on my computer then switch on zone 2, i get both zone outputting which is fine. But if I turn off Main Zone (because i'm not in there, im in zone 2) both zones drop the source. Basically the only way i can do this is muting main zone or switching sources on Main.

hmm, on my 2113 I'm able to run Pandora or Internet radio to Zone 2 without having main zone on, but I can't do it for Airplay. I can't test the media server functionality, so keep trying and let us know if you can't get it to work.

what happens if you use the smartphone app to just power up Zone 2 only, and then select the "network" input as the source? Can you start Pandora, Internet Radio, and/or Media Server playing in Zone 2?
post #3998 of 10465
Nice one, Thanks.
post #3999 of 10465
Just wanted to let you all know the experience that I recently had with a 2313CI that I bought in September.

About two weeks ago I put on a Laserdisc and there was no sound. At first I thought the laserdisc player was dying (which could easily happen,) so I turned on the PS3 and noticed that I heard sound... but that it didn't sound right from the front speakers.

Turns out the left and right channels had died on the receiver. I took the unit in for repair and after one week in the shop I was told that it would take 10 weeks to get the part. The people at the repair shop stated that because the unit was new that the part might not have been produced for repair yet and that it needed to be made for my repair.

Thankfully my retailer (a local home theater installer in Wisconsin) is taking the unit back and getting it sent back to the distributor as DOA. I'm taking this opportunity to upgrade to the 3313CI as a result of the issues.

I have to say that I was frustrated with the repair process and hope that no one else has to go through anything like this in the future.
post #4000 of 10465
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Originally Posted by bluefish2411 View Post

Hello folks, need some airplay help.
I bought the denon 1613 refurbished 2 weeks back, it has been doing well until couple of days back when the receiver seemed to be unresponsive to remote and buttons on the front. I unplugged and replugged it. Everything still works but from the next day, if I play something over airplay, the receiver starts playing that song for 1 second, displays the name of the song and then there is nothing. The reciever then seems to re initiate network connection, it says connecting, initializing etc. It happens every time when I use airplay. On the first day it happened with itunes alone, then after few hours, the ipad also has the same problem. so now am without airplay ability from both laptop and ipad.
I tried the network reset mentioned in this thread, also tried modem/router reset. It doesnt seem to help. I have a Motorolla modem and router, the receiver is connected to the router through a LAN cable.
I would appreciate any help before I call Denon for assistance. Thanks in advance!!

Can somebody please help me, am still having issues with airplay, rarely (i dont know in what scenario) airplay works but if i switch song while another is playing, its back to same problem, the receiver seems to lose internet connection and says connecting, initializing etc and then airplay never works, until next rare occurance. Not sure what is happening. I would appreciate if any of the experts help me or point towards something that might help. I also upgraded the firmware (it prompted today) but the issue persists.
post #4001 of 10465
switch to the db scale of the volume...
post #4002 of 10465
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Originally Posted by bluefish2411 View Post

Can somebody please help me, am still having issues with airplay, rarely (i dont know in what scenario) airplay works but if i switch song while another is playing, its back to same problem, the receiver seems to lose internet connection and says connecting, initializing etc and then airplay never works, until next rare occurance. Not sure what is happening. I would appreciate if any of the experts help me or point towards something that might help. I also upgraded the firmware (it prompted today) but the issue persists.

If you've already tried the tips listed in my post below, then try replacing the router with a newer/more robust model.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_L1

The below models have been identified by XX13 owners as not causing any connection problems ...

Router
Cisco WRT-100
Cisco E3200
Linksys BEFSX41
Apple Airport Extreme


Bridge
Cisco WRT-54G
Apple Airport Extreme

Also are there any other models that XX13 owners are using that are currently working without any issues regarding networking connectivity?
Edited by jdsmoothie - 12/19/12 at 1:57am
post #4003 of 10465
Another option is call AVS! My wife purchased the 3313 for me for Xmas. . Santa/UPS has it on the way and great price for sure. We are hosting for Christmas and I really hope everyone realizes ill be in my theater and I'm not to be disturbed as I set up my 3313 biggrin.gif
post #4004 of 10465
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Also are there any other models that XX13 owners are using that are currently working without any issues regarding networking connectivity?

I'm using an Apple Airport Extreme and it gives me no problems at all with any gear, including the 2113ci I own. I have a dual-airport extreme setup. One is by the DSL modem and does the main routing, the other is on my AV rack and extends the wireless distance, and I also have my ethernet equipped AV gear connected to it. Never a burp!
post #4005 of 10465
I was wondering if anyone had success programming a JP1 remote for these receivers. If so, do you mind sharing a Key Master Device Upgrade file or remote codes with me? Thanks!

I have a 1713 btw.
post #4006 of 10465
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Originally Posted by drober30 View Post

Are you guys who are buying the 3313CI really running multiple zones and using dual HDMI outs?

I am, it lets me share one set of devices (HTPC, AppleTV, DVD, IPTV box) with both the main 5.1 setup in my living room, and the TV/speakers in my bedroom. Works pretty well for this, I can watch the game in the living room while my girlfriend watches netflix in the bedroom, so everyone's happy, and I didn't have to buy more than one device. smile.gif
post #4007 of 10465
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

hmm, on my 2113 I'm able to run Pandora or Internet radio to Zone 2 without having main zone on, but I can't do it for Airplay. I can't test the media server functionality, so keep trying and let us know if you can't get it to work.

Hrmm.. That is odd, I see something similar on my 3313... If I start up AirPlay, main zone turns on and starts playing. I can turn on zones 2/3 and switch them to network, and all three zones will play the airplay sound. I can then switch Zone 1 to one of the other inputs, and the airplay will keep going to zones 2/3. However, if I turn off the main zone airplay stops.

This smells to me of a firmware bug.
post #4008 of 10465
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Originally Posted by lparsons21 View Post

I'm using an Apple Airport Extreme and it gives me no problems at all with any gear, including the 2113ci I own. I have a dual-airport extreme setup. One is by the DSL modem and does the main routing, the other is on my AV rack and extends the wireless distance, and I also have my ethernet equipped AV gear connected to it. Never a burp!

Noted and added to the list. Thanks for sharing. smile.gif
post #4009 of 10465
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Also are there any other models that XX13 owners are using that are currently working without any issues regarding networking connectivity?

I'm running an Apple Airport Extreme (Simultaneous Dual-Band) in bridge mode. This is connected to an ethernet switch, which links to the AVR, my server/NAS, and router. Yeah, it's complicated, but it works a treat.
post #4010 of 10465
Has anyone calibrated their Denon receiver with Energy Take Classic satellite speakers, and if so, can you tell me what the crossovers were? I just ran Audyssey and the receiver chose a crossover of 150Hz for the front speakers, but 60Hz for the surround speakers (and 80 Hz for the center, though I know this speaker is slightly different). Any ideas for why the same satellite speakers would calibrate so differently between the front and the surrounds? I have no problem raising the crossover on the surrounds to (as recommended by Energy) 110Hz, but I know I shouldn't lower the crossover for the fronts.

BTW, I have read quite a bit of this thread, the Audyssey thread, and batpig's site. From everything I've read, it seems this is a receiver issue and not an Audyssey issue, as the Audyssey mic just reports it's readings to the receiver and the receiver chooses these setting. That's why I'm posting here instead of the Audysse thread.

Thanks,
JJ
post #4011 of 10465
I have a Denon 3313 and a Oppo 103 blu ray. Some times when starting a blu ray, the Denon doesn't pick up the DTS-HD Master Audio signal and plays the Virtual sound setting instead. Turning the Denon off and then on again solves the issue, but I wonder why it is happening?
post #4012 of 10465
Re Energy Take Classic side speakers 150 hz crossover; I have old KLH small side speakers with one 3"-4" speaker that audessee callibrated at 250hz. not sure why or what significance that means other than the klh's are small. I could lower the 250hz crossover, but I read here not to lower any crossover as it would create a hole in the sound. In any event, ive noticed at times with certain shows, that the side speakers sound odd, with a "squiqqle" sound,[possibly distortion, although they ususally sound fine. i plan to eventually replace them but in the meantime i could swap them out with my old fronts which are KLH 900b, 140 watt speakers that have an 8' woofer, a midrange and a tweeter. I would then use the small klh sides as back speakers as part of a 7.1 set up. I recently purchased pioneer bs 22s as fronts which are 80 watt, and i have the matching cs22 center. They sound fantastic. Dont know if the 140 watt klhs are too big or powerful to use as sides, I could use them as the backs. I could also not use the klh's and get another set of BS 22s for sides and skip the backs, or use the either set of the klh's for the backs.
Apart from tossing the KLHs, (any or all of them) any suggestions? As an aside, based primarily upon Batpig's terrrific review of the 2113 and the sonic benefits of XT, I wound up getting that model over the 1913.
Edited by Teletodd - 12/19/12 at 10:01am
post #4013 of 10465
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Rschissler View Post

I have a Denon 3313 and a Oppo 103 blu ray. Some times when starting a blu ray, the Denon doesn't pick up the DTS-HD Master Audio signal and plays the Virtual sound setting instead. Turning the Denon off and then on again solves the issue, but I wonder why it is happening?

Did you check the input signal reported by the receiver when it kicks into "Virtual"? My bet is there is some HDMI handshake hiccup and the Oppo is only outputting 2ch audio.
post #4014 of 10465
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by JJMiller View Post

Has anyone calibrated their Denon receiver with Energy Take Classic satellite speakers, and if so, can you tell me what the crossovers were? I just ran Audyssey and the receiver chose a crossover of 150Hz for the front speakers, but 60Hz for the surround speakers (and 80 Hz for the center, though I know this speaker is slightly different). Any ideas for why the same satellite speakers would calibrate so differently between the front and the surrounds?

JJ -- although all the speakers are identical, the differing acoustic positions within the room can have a dramatic effect on low end output. That's why Audyssey actually measures the speakers and how they respond in your room as opposed to just going by the manufacturer's specs.

The Takes are spec'd down to 115Hz but the bottom end will change in room depending on how much bass reinforcement they are getting from nearby boundaries or other properties of their physical position. Are the front speakers pulled out from the wall, whereas the surrounds are wall-mounted? This is one example that could explain the discrepancy. Also, just due to the room shape you could be sitting in a slight "null" for one or both of the fronts that is sucking out a bit of the bass as the mic "hears" it.

Also, there is less granularity in the crossovers once you move away from the 80/90/100 mid-zone. From 120Hz the next crossover is 150Hz, so it's possible your fronts are measuring just above 120Hz and then the receiver has to bump it all the way up to the next option (150).

As a test, you could try swapping the fronts and the surrounds and re-running Audyssey, and see if you get similar results. Note that you can get slight changes with different Audyssey runs if you don't use the exact same mic positions -- the crossovers are calculated based on all the measurements. Sometimes repositioning the speakers slightly and re-running will change things, you might be able to get the fronts to clock in at 120Hz if they are right around there.

Regardless, I would raise the other crossovers up to 120Hz and call it a day.
post #4015 of 10465
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Did you check the input signal reported by the receiver when it kicks into "Virtual"? My bet is there is some HDMI handshake hiccup and the Oppo is only outputting 2ch audio.
The Denon input was Blu Ray Virtual and I clicked the info button from the Oppo and it said DTS-HD Master Audio.
post #4016 of 10465
hey denon guys, just wondering if anyone test the 720P/120hz passthrought from a PC to a videoprojector (like HD67n)

Just to know if it workk with 3d vision and decode hd audio stream with that configuration ?

Thanks
post #4017 of 10465
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Originally Posted by Teletodd View Post

Re Energy Take Classic side speakers 150 hz crossover; I have old KLH small side speakers with one 3"-4" speaker that audessee callibrated at 250hz. not sure why or what significance that means other than the klh's are small. I could lower the 250hz crossover, but I read here not to lower any crossover as it would create a hole in the sound. In any event, ive noticed at times with certain shows, that the side speakers sound odd, with a "squiqqle" sound,[possibly distortion, although they ususally sound fine. i plan to eventually replace them but in the meantime i could swap them out with my old fronts which are KLH 900b, 140 watt speakers that have an 8' woofer, a midrange and a tweeter. I would then use the small klh sides as back speakers as part of a 7.1 set up. I recently purchased pioneer bs 22s as fronts which are 80 watt, and i have the matching cs22 center. They sound fantastic. Dont know if the 140 watt klhs are too big or powerful to use as sides, I could use them as the backs. I could also not use the klh's and get another set of BS 22s for sides and skip the backs, or use the either set of the klh's for the backs.
Apart from tossing the KLHs, (any or all of them) any suggestions? As an aside, based primarily upon Batpig's terrrific review of the 2113 and the sonic benefits of XT, I wound up getting that model over the 1913.

It's your setup ... experiment and use what sounds best to you. smile.gif

There's no such as "too big or too powerful" for sides as some owners use the same FL/FR tower speakers for side speakers as well. The speaker will draw what it needs to operate correctly, although sides generally don't draw much power.
post #4018 of 10465
Thanks! Sorry for the somewhat verbose post.
post #4019 of 10465
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Originally Posted by JJMiller View Post

Has anyone calibrated their Denon receiver with Energy Take Classic satellite speakers, and if so, can you tell me what the crossovers were? I just ran Audyssey and the receiver chose a crossover of 150Hz for the front speakers, but 60Hz for the surround speakers (and 80 Hz for the center, though I know this speaker is slightly different). Any ideas for why the same satellite speakers would calibrate so differently between the front and the surrounds? I have no problem raising the crossover on the surrounds to (as recommended by Energy) 110Hz, but I know I shouldn't lower the crossover for the fronts.
BTW, I have read quite a bit of this thread, the Audyssey thread, and batpig's site. From everything I've read, it seems this is a receiver issue and not an Audyssey issue, as the Audyssey mic just reports it's readings to the receiver and the receiver chooses these setting. That's why I'm posting here instead of the Audysse thread.
Thanks,
JJ

I have the Energy Take Classic 5.1 and my Denon 2313 picks up the crossover for all speakers as 80Hz so I can't really help you there. As for the 110Hz speaker rating I asked earlier in this thread whether I should leave it as the 80Hz Audyssey says or up it to 110Hz and I was told to leave it at what Audyssey said. Of course, since my crossover was detected at such a nice level it's easier for me to make that decision...
post #4020 of 10465
I bought a 2313CI, the first time you turned on the receiver, the internet was 100% 35mega connection, my system is 7.1, each box connected at its output ... only when I turned on the receiver showed me to upgrade, to leave all upgraded, the upgrade started it and it was 2 times up to 100%, it took a few 25min, which only stopped after the message retry connection and connection could fail .. .. I took and put the network cable and gave the same messages and then retry connection fail ....

After that did not work any more, no more no image appeared on TV, the sound is only coming out in zone 2 via usb in 2 boxes back, have tested all kinds of HDMI connection on the TV, AV, Component, no more image and thus leaves has no way to make the necessary adjustments or attempt to do an upgrade again ...

I also tried to make the procedure of holding reset ON + CH + and CH-during the 5s and nothing happened ....

What should I do, or care for some assistance here in Brazil authorized the Denon? or have any other way to restore it and leave the original factory?
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