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post #4261 of 10468
Thanks batpig! You're the man. Evidently the crossover setting you mentioned is more important than anything else. I made all the changes you suggested and the sub is now thumping as it should be. Interestingly I decided to switch back to large speakers just for fun, and I think I prefer that sound. The sub still works, and the sound is more full. Does that make sense or am I just imagining it

Thanks again! I seriously doubt I would have figured this out on my own.
post #4262 of 10468
Thanks batpig! You're the man. Evidently the crossover setting you mentioned is more important than anything else. I made all the changes you suggested and the sub is now thumping as it should be. Interestingly I decided to switch back to large speakers just for fun, and I think I prefer that sound. The sub still works, and the sound is more full. Does that make sense or am I just imagining it

Thanks again! I seriously doubt I would have figured this out on my own.
post #4263 of 10468
Thread Starter 
If you set the fronts to large with LFE+MAIN enabled then you are getting "double bass" below the frequency you set for the crossover (80hz in this case). So in MultiCH Stereo mode, all speakers would get a full range signal and then the sub would double up the bass below 80hz.
post #4264 of 10468
Question about my 2113ci...........

I have 2 sets of speakers hooked up currently.........one set to the front and the other set to the surround speaker terminals................

In going into the Manual Setup menu, I have selected the Front B option to get both sets of speakers to work at the same time, set both sets to large and in the 2 channel and multichannel stereo options, have selected A+B ( have set Center Channel speaker to None and Sub to None or its equivalent)

Will this setup work with regular CDs ? ( by work, I mean equal output to both sets of speakers)

Will this setup mess up DVD playback ( am having trouble with playing rental DVDs.....hiccupping occuring with both audio and video)?
post #4265 of 10468
Are there any AVR1513 owner using long run HDMI cable (say 50ft) to TV from receiver? The reason I am asking is because, I am suspecting that the entry level receivers might not have HDMI repeating capability present in mid range receiver because of cost cutting. Please say that I am wrong. I can of course upgrade to a mid range receiver with more features and hope that HDMI length is non issue there. but after my experience with an Yamaha entry level receiver, I am now in cautious mode. And only after being fully sure would I order a new receiver.
post #4266 of 10468
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Originally Posted by kousikb View Post

Are there any AVR1513 owner using long run HDMI cable (say 50ft) to TV from receiver? The reason I am asking is because, I am suspecting that the entry level receivers might not have HDMI repeating capability present in mid range receiver because of cost cutting. Please say that I am wrong. I can of course upgrade to a mid range receiver with more features and hope that HDMI length is non issue there. but after my experience with an Yamaha entry level receiver, I am now in cautious mode. And only after being fully sure would I order a new receiver.

If you can, I'd avoid the 1513, as it's not too expensive to buy up to the 1613 or 1713, which gives you the Audyssey room correction, proper speaker posts, and other important bits. On the latter receivers, I think the final driver chipset (which is the system that generates the menus and so forth) is all pretty much the same across the line, so I doubt there would be any difference in their ability to drive long HDMI runs. (My 3313 drives approximately 40 feet of HDMI cables strung together without issues.
post #4267 of 10468
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Originally Posted by kousikb View Post

Are there any AVR1513 owner using long run HDMI cable (say 50ft) to TV from receiver? The reason I am asking is because, I am suspecting that the entry level receivers might not have HDMI repeating capability present in mid range receiver because of cost cutting. Please say that I am wrong. I can of course upgrade to a mid range receiver with more features and hope that HDMI length is non issue there. but after my experience with an Yamaha entry level receiver, I am now in cautious mode. And only after being fully sure would I order a new receiver.

Any model AVR may have difficulty with HDMI runs > 25' as that is the max length that HDMI is certified for, otherwise for greater lengths you'll likely need an HDMI extender/repeater to boost the signal.
post #4268 of 10468
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Originally Posted by padgman1 View Post

Question about my 2113ci...........
I have 2 sets of speakers hooked up currently.........one set to the front and the other set to the surround speaker terminals................
In going into the Manual Setup menu, I have selected the Front B option to get both sets of speakers to work at the same time, set both sets to large and in the 2 channel and multichannel stereo options, have selected A+B ( have set Center Channel speaker to None and Sub to None or its equivalent)
Will this setup work with regular CDs ? ( by work, I mean equal output to both sets of speakers)
Will this setup mess up DVD playback ( am having trouble with playing rental DVDs.....hiccupping occuring with both audio and video)?

In order to work, the Front B speakers must be connected to the "Surr Back/Amp Assign" speaker posts as opposed to the "Surr" speaker posts. With the setting to A+B, the same signal played in the Front A speakers will be mirrored to the Front B speakers. This configuration should not have any impact on playing DVDs.
post #4269 of 10468
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Originally Posted by flaudiophile View Post

Thanks batpig! You're the man. Evidently the crossover setting you mentioned is more important than anything else. I made all the changes you suggested and the sub is now thumping as it should be. Interestingly I decided to switch back to large speakers just for fun, and I think I prefer that sound. The sub still works, and the sound is more full. Does that make sense or am I just imagining it
Thanks again! I seriously doubt I would have figured this out on my own.

It's quite common for someone coming from an older model receiver to feel that "bloated" bass sounds better as that is what they got used to hearing; however, Audyssey sets up your speakers/sub such that they output the way the mixer intended you to hear the audio. Suggest you return the speakers to SMALL/80Hz and keep them that way for at least a few weeks to see if you can adjust to what should (in the end) actually sound much better and smoother. If after that time you still feel you prefer "bloated" bass, then change the settings to suit your preference.
post #4270 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Wamblej View Post

You need to make sure you have the required codecs to decode that on your computer. I use the shark007 codec pack. Then in settings make sure you have HD audio set to pass thru. This will ensure that you get the original audio stream.

Thanks for the clarification. smile.gif
post #4271 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Option View Post

Well we were watching a TV series on DVD where the opening and closing theme music starts quietly in the background (while one of the characters is monologuing) before ramping up for the opening and closing credits. The issue I described happened in every beginning and ending of every episode over the four discs that we watched.
I think the volume ramp-up happens at the beginning of any new audio signal as I've noticed the same thing happening at the beginning of Netflix streaming and Pandora radio streamed from my iPhone. Have you never noticed something similar?

Try turning Dyn EQ and Dyn Vol both OFF as these features are likely the cause ... Dyn EQ will boost the bass/surround audio at lower volume levels.
post #4272 of 10468
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Originally Posted by clev1 View Post

I went to the web site and typed Denon avr-3313ci in the search box. Here's the link to the page it returned:
http://www.electronics-expo.com/Open-Denon-IN-Command-AVR-3313CI-Receiver/dp/B00829USKS
If they're charging $1399 for an open box, I wonder what a new one is?

This is a typo as the MSRP is only $1199 and the open box price is usually $100 less (ie. $1099).
post #4273 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Make sure the "Deep Color Output" setting on the PS3 is set to OFF.

Does this apply to Sony Blu-Ray players as well? I am getting the blank screen intermittently but assumed it was my long hdmi run/extender.
post #4274 of 10468
Yup ... any brand/model as I have noted in the Troubleshooting section of post #3 below ...

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_L18
post #4275 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

In order to work, the Front B speakers must be connected to the "Surr Back/Amp Assign" speaker posts as opposed to the "Surr" speaker posts. With the setting to A+B, the same signal played in the Front A speakers will be mirrored to the Front B speakers. This configuration should not have any impact on playing DVDs.

Thank you!!
post #4276 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Yup ... any brand/model as I have noted in the Troubleshooting section of post #3 below ...
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_L18

Sorry, I had read that section of this thread a few times but didn't associate "No Video" to my problem, which was intermittent drop outs. I will give it a try, hopefully the problem will be fixed.
post #4277 of 10468
Batpig, You had posted a while back about getting a 2313 to replace the 2113. Did that happen and what was ur take on it? See im torn, upgrading from my denon 1911. I originally just wanted a 1712 that has the aud xt cause i figured that would be the cheap upgrade as it seems to be real close to the 1911 amp. Any how after reading about how much u liked your 2113 i have now opened up the budget and am looking at the 2113/2313. Would these receivers be a better option over say the 2312's of last yr? Or would both pretty much be even in sound comparison? Speakers i have are the new version of the pioneer Andrew Jones if ur curious.Any help or info would be appreciated. Thanks guys
post #4278 of 10468
I've just ordered a 3D TV and want to make sure I get settings right on my 2113.

For 3D I want to turn off i/p conversion so that I'm in bypass mode? Or can I leave that on and change a different setting?
post #4279 of 10468
Attention!!!!
I just got the denon 1913 for xmas. I asked for the 2113ci and my mother said it was too much so then iasked for the 1713. Im wondering if i should should just exchange it and pay the difference for the 2113c.Or get the 1713 and use the difference for a remote or somthing else i might want. My mom got the 1913 in sale for 529$ instead of 579$ at bestbuy. What do you guys think? Upgrade since ill have a balance of 529 or downgrade and geet somthing else?
post #4280 of 10468
Also if you compare the 1913 and the 2113ci on bestbuy.com they say the 1913 is of lesser quality. Why is that? I inly have 5 speakers and might get more or even use 2 more for the 2nd zone.
post #4281 of 10468
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Originally Posted by lparsons21 View Post

I've just ordered a 3D TV and want to make sure I get settings right on my 2113.
For 3D I want to turn off i/p conversion so that I'm in bypass mode? Or can I leave that on and change a different setting?

3D video will pass through the AVR as it's HDMI 1.4a ... no reason to change a setting.
post #4282 of 10468
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Originally Posted by dizzyrapper18 View Post

Attention!!!!
I just got the denon 1913 for xmas. I asked for the 2113ci and my mother said it was too much so then iasked for the 1713. Im wondering if i should should just exchange it and pay the difference for the 2113c.Or get the 1713 and use the difference for a remote or somthing else i might want. My mom got the 1913 in sale for 529$ instead of 579$ at bestbuy. What do you guys think? Upgrade since ill have a balance of 529 or downgrade and geet somthing else?

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Originally Posted by dizzyrapper18 View Post

Also if you compare the 1913 and the 2113ci on bestbuy.com they say the 1913 is of lesser quality. Why is that? I inly have 5 speakers and might get more or even use 2 more for the 2nd zone.

As noted in post #2 of this thread, the 2113CI uses the more advanced version of Audyssey MultEQ XT as well as having some additional features over the.1913. The 1713 also uses MultEQ XT but is only a 5.1 AVR vice 7.1 as are both the 1913 and 2113CI.
post #4283 of 10468
Is it worth upgrading and paying 100+$ for the 2113ci or downgrade to the 1713?
post #4284 of 10468
If your planning on going 7.1 id say yes.
post #4285 of 10468
If you don't need a RS-232 port and an extra 1/yr warranty the 1913 isn't much different than the 2113ci. We only sell the CI line cause we use the RS-232 port for control system integration. The 1713 receiver is not bad, but it doesn't leave you with many expansion options down the road like 7.1 or Zone 2. You will also lose power going to the 1713....
post #4286 of 10468
Not sure what RS-232 is but i have monitor 60s, 30s, cs1, and a psw505 sub. The room would be 25x15. Id love to try the zone 2. I also might do 7 speakers later on. Audessy really that big of a difference from 2113ci and 1913. This is tough for some reason
post #4287 of 10468
I faced the same dilemma, got the 2113 over the 1913. Extra year warranty, and multeqxt made it a no brainier. I could hear the difference between the multeq and the multeqxt.
Edited by Teletodd - 12/30/12 at 11:40am
post #4288 of 10468
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Originally Posted by cconner View Post

If you don't need a RS-232 port and an extra 1/yr warranty the 1913 isn't much different than the 2113ci. We only sell the CI line cause we use the RS-232 port for control system integration. The 1713 receiver is not bad, but it doesn't leave you with many expansion options down the road like 7.1 or Zone 2. You will also lose power going to the 1713....

The power difference is negligible and the 1713 has Zone 2 pre-outs.
post #4289 of 10468
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Originally Posted by dizzyrapper18 View Post

Not sure what RS-232 is but i have monitor 60s, 30s, cs1, and a psw505 sub. The room would be 25x15. Id love to try the zone 2. I also might do 7 speakers later on. Audessy really that big of a difference from 2113ci and 1913. This is tough for some reason

RS-232 can be used with whole home remote setups. The 1713 is not able to expand to 7.1 as would either the 1913 or the 2113CI, although the small difference in price makes the 2113CI the better buy.
post #4290 of 10468
Problem with Tivo Component/Optical Audio -- using Denon 1613 and Sony KDL-60ES700

Hello -
I'm new to using a receiver and it's got me going around in circles!

I have the Denon receiver hooked up to Blue ray and an Apple TV - no issues. All HDMI connections with one HDMI going into the HDMI 1 socket on the Sony TV (ARC capable).

Problem is the Tivo. The HDMI connection no longer works on the Tivo and the Denon 1613 doesn't support component.

I have my cable coming into the Tivo, then I have the component going out from Tivo and into the Sony TV.

First Try: For audio I tried to use the HDMI ARC connection with the Denon, but it doesn't work. I ran component and optical audio cables from the Tivo to the Sony and thought the HDMI port 1 (ARC) would send sound back to the Denon...but no sound. So if anyone knows how I could troubleshoot that - it would be great!

Second Try: just to get some sound when the tv is playing - I ran the optical audio cable from the Tivo to the Denon and left the component as above- I got sound fine, but when I turn off the Tivo the Denon keeps playing the sound. I did the Setup Assistant and it recognized the optical audio.

So I guess my main question is: How can I either get the HDMI cable that takes signal out of the Denon and into the Sony HDMI port 1 (ARC) to play the sound I am sending - and then control everything from HOPEFULLY? the Tivo Remote...

OR

Forget the HDMI ARC sound solution and use the optical cable into the Denon - but when I turn off the TV (Tivo remote) have the sound turn off on the Denon.

Thanks!

Cindy
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