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post #4501 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Nope. Analog audio inputs are not assignable.
So if the correseponding named digital input is already being used, the analog inputs for the labeled name is of no use. (even if the digital input's name was changed so as not to match the analog's name exactly?)
post #4502 of 10468
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

But it's important to always remember that the diagram is just a guideline for the obsessive types who need guidance. The exact placement of the mic positions after #1 really doesn't matter. If you don't like rectangles you could do a pentagon, or a little star, or a smiley face... as long as you follow the basic guidelines (ear height, don't go too wide, don't get too close to reflective surfaces) it really doesn't matter! smile.gif

Which is why it bears repeating the reason behind the difference in the diagrams. smile.gif
post #4503 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Note the Audyssey diagram that I post with positions 7 and 8 behind #1 are for when the couch is NOT placed against a wall and when it is, simply move the positions forward of #1.
Understood. My couch is not near a back wall so I am good with 7 & 8 being behind 1,2,3.
Thanks for the 'wall factor' clarification.
post #4504 of 10468
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

.. as long as you follow the basic guidelines (ear height, don't go too wide, don't get too close to reflective surfaces) it really doesn't matter! smile.gif

Gotcha.
post #4505 of 10468
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Originally Posted by davekro View Post

I misspoke. The CD player is connected to the Optical input. Can I rename the optical input then use then be free to use the non- name changeable analog CD input for the XM tuner? Right now, I can get the XM tuner to play thru the DVD analog input, but not the CD analog input. Not a big deal, but if I can get the use of two analog inputs (VCR and XM tuner), that would be helpful.

Which may indicate an issue with the analog input. Try the other inputs as well.
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Originally Posted by davekro View Post

So if the correseponding named digital input is already being used, the analog inputs for the labeled name is of no use. (even if the digital input's name was changed so as not to match the analog's name exactly?)

Not necessarily, no. The digital input will take priority if in use, however, sources can be "stacked" under the same name. If the digital input is assigned to an analog input not in use, so much the better.
post #4506 of 10468
Hello!

Anyone having problems to play playlists from a NAS in the AVR-1913? .

I have a D-link DNS-323 with all my music. I have tried to create a simple playlist with only two tracks. If I play them one by one, or looking at the folders it works perfect, but when I try to select a playlist the network connection just breaks. Not sure if the AVR is rebooted but I can see in the display that the network is reconnected, also if I'm doing it trough the remote app it disconnects for a while. I have of course tried also through the menu with the remote control, with the same results.

I want to create different playlists so I can just leave the music playing according to the moment without having to worry about choosing tracks one by one.

An example of the m3u file is this and it located in the root folder of the music:

#EXTM3U
#EXTINF:240, - 4 - I Can't Dance
Music/Genesis-I Can't Dance.mp3
#EXTINF:200, - - Hey Baby
Music/No Doubt - Hey Baby.mp3

I'm using relative path and also / (Linux separator), but have also tried full path and \ (win separator)

Any help/clue would be appreciated
post #4507 of 10468
OK, another connection problem here ( under the heading Where's the "HT connections for Dummies" book)...........

I cannot get my 2113 and my Panasonic 50ST50 to coordinate.........I have my HDMI cable connected to my ARC slot on my Panny and the other end connected to the HDMI TV port in my Denon.........I have tried to get them to work together, but no go..............so I bought an optical cable to hook from the TV to the Denon, but I STILL cannot get it to work ( pushing TV Audio button on my Denon remote). What gives?

Do I need to change some settings on either the TV or the Denon?

Do I need to put the HDMI cable in another non-ARC port on my TV?

I just want to have the TV sound through my speakers...........that all I'm asking for................for now.
post #4508 of 10468
I'm deciding between the 3313 and the 4520. Does either (or perhaps neither) unit support assigning the same physical input to multiple sources? For example, could you assign HDMI 1 or COAX 1 (or perhaps ANALOG 1 on the 4520 - I know analog inputs are not assignable at all on the 3313) to CBL/SAT and DVD? Thanks!
post #4509 of 10468
Got a AVR-1913 for Christmas and I finally got it setup 3 days ago. Been great till today.

Had all my favorite internet radio stations on my Favorites Memory (under NETWORK) using the Option button. Today I come home and I click FAVORITES and the program hangs and locks up. It just sits there. I cannot scroll to anything else. I eventually have to hit another source to "get out" of the locked screen. When I add a new favorite that I have already added, the usual "its already a favorite" doesn't show.

All firmware has been updated after install. I have also performed a reset and have also unplugged the system for several minutes. Problem persists.
post #4510 of 10468
I just got an AVR-1913 and when ever I'm watching TV and shut off the AVR, the TV picture is still on like it should. However if the AVR is in standby and the TV is off, when I turn on just the TV a see a picture flash for a second and then it says no input.. When I turn on the AVR the picture returns... I had a 1909 before the 1913 and never had a problem with the standby with the same TV.. Any in-site would be great..
post #4511 of 10468
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Originally Posted by padgman1 View Post

OK, another connection problem here ( under the heading Where's the "HT connections for Dummies" book)...........
I cannot get my 2113 and my Panasonic 50ST50 to coordinate.........I have my HDMI cable connected to my ARC slot on my Panny and the other end connected to the HDMI TV port in my Denon.........I have tried to get them to work together, but no go..............so I bought an optical cable to hook from the TV to the Denon, but I STILL cannot get it to work ( pushing TV Audio button on my Denon remote). What gives?
Do I need to change some settings on either the TV or the Denon?
Do I need to put the HDMI cable in another non-ARC port on my TV?
I just want to have the TV sound through my speakers...........that all I'm asking for................for now.

As part of your "dummies" training, lets start with getting the lingo correct just to clarify the correct connection is being made ... the cable from the AVR to the TV is connected to the "HDMI Out/Monitor" jack as noted in the diagram below. smile.gif I mention this only because there have been some who have connected the cable from the TV to one of the HDMI "inputs" as a result of the fact that the ARC audio is being "input" to the AVR.




For more info on the ARC feature and proper setup, please review the link below ...

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_E5
post #4512 of 10468
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Originally Posted by rgbyhkr View Post

I'm deciding between the 3313 and the 4520. Does either (or perhaps neither) unit support assigning the same physical input to multiple sources? For example, could you assign HDMI 1 or COAX 1 (or perhaps ANALOG 1 on the 4520 - I know analog inputs are not assignable at all on the 3313) to CBL/SAT and DVD? Thanks!

What you asked and provided as an example are two different configurations. You cannot assign the "same" physical input (eg. HDMI1) to multiple sources (eg. CBL/SAT, DVD, Blu Ray), but you can assign "different" physical inputs (eg. HDMI, COAX1) to the same source (eg. CBL/SAT) in order to stack sources with the HDMI taking priority. This is true for both models, with, as you noted, the 4520CI having the added feature of being able to assign the analog inputs as well.
post #4513 of 10468
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Originally Posted by astropilot View Post

Got a AVR-1913 for Christmas and I finally got it setup 3 days ago. Been great till today.
Had all my favorite internet radio stations on my Favorites Memory (under NETWORK) using the Option button. Today I come home and I click FAVORITES and the program hangs and locks up. It just sits there. I cannot scroll to anything else. I eventually have to hit another source to "get out" of the locked screen. When I add a new favorite that I have already added, the usual "its already a favorite" doesn't show.
All firmware has been updated after install. I have also performed a reset and have also unplugged the system for several minutes. Problem persists.

You may want to also try a "Network reset" as noted in post #5 of this thread.
post #4514 of 10468
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Originally Posted by JDigi444 View Post

I just got an AVR-1913 and when ever I'm watching TV and shut off the AVR, the TV picture is still on like it should. However if the AVR is in standby and the TV is off, when I turn on just the TV a see a picture flash for a second and then it says no input.. When I turn on the AVR the picture returns... I had a 1909 before the 1913 and never had a problem with the standby with the same TV.. Any in-site would be great..

HDMI handshake connections between devices can be finicky at times. Presuming you are using a cable/sat box for your TV service, if you turn off the TV, then also turn off the cable/sat box. General power on advice to avoid these HDMI handshake issues is the TV first, wait a few seconds, the AVR, wait a few seconds, then the source (obviously skipping the AVR when it's not required).
post #4515 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

What you asked and provided as an example are two different configurations. You cannot assign the "same" physical input (eg. HDMI1) to multiple sources (eg. CBL/SAT, DVD, Blu Ray), but you can assign "different" physical inputs (eg. HDMI, COAX1) to the same source (eg. CBL/SAT) in order to stack sources with the HDMI taking priority. This is true for both models, with, as you noted, the 4520CI having the added feature of being able to assign the analog inputs as well.

Thanks JD. I should have made that more clear as I was talking about each input type in isolation but I was aware of the stacking ability. That answers my question though.

Here's a follow-up for you. Can you switch the audio type for an input ( HDMI, digital, analog) on the fly with a button press or 2? This as opposed to having to dig into the setup menu. Alternatively, maybe there are available discrete IR codes or RS-232 or IP control commands for something like this? Thanks!

Jeff
post #4516 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

As part of your "dummies" training, lets start with getting the lingo correct just to clarify the correct connection is being made ... the cable from the AVR to the TV is connected to the "HDMI Out/Monitor" jack as noted in the diagram below. smile.gif

I fortunately have this connection correct smile.gif

I did figure this out after going into an Input Assignment screen on my Denon and was able to switch the TV Audio port from HDMI to Optical...........as for trying to use the ARC pathway, I will attempt this (again) at another date.......

Thank you for all your help, JD........you and Batpig deserve many kudos for helping people on this forum..............
post #4517 of 10468
@rgbyhkr -

Yes, the INPUT MODE setting accomplishes this and although it is available on XX10 and older Denon AVR remotes, it was removed on XX11 and newer model remotes. You can however, the discrete code to use with a Harmony remote using an older model's code as well as it's available via serial RS-232. In fact this was just discussed in the 4520CI thread last week so you may want to review that thread as well, especially if considering the 4520CI.

Also, if the difference in cost is not an issue between the two models, you are much better served going with the far more advanced XT32 in the 4520CI vs. the XT in the 3313CI (even more so with a better quality speaker/sub setup > $2000).
post #4518 of 10468
@padgman1 -

Don't forget that after changing the AVR's "HDMI Control" setting to ON, to power OFF all devices and then power on all devices, TV, then AVR, then source device.
post #4519 of 10468
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Originally Posted by hhiguera View Post

Hello!

Anyone having problems to play playlists from a NAS in the AVR-1913? .

I have a D-link DNS-323 with all my music. I have tried to create a simple playlist with only two tracks. If I play them one by one, or looking at the folders it works perfect, but when I try to select a playlist the network connection just breaks. Not sure if the AVR is rebooted but I can see in the display that the network is reconnected, also if I'm doing it trough the remote app it disconnects for a while. I have of course tried also through the menu with the remote control, with the same results.

I want to create different playlists so I can just leave the music playing according to the moment without having to worry about choosing tracks one by one.

An example of the m3u file is this and it located in the root folder of the music:

#EXTM3U
#EXTINF:240, - 4 - I Can't Dance
Music/Genesis-I Can't Dance.mp3
#EXTINF:200, - - Hey Baby
Music/No Doubt - Hey Baby.mp3

I'm using relative path and also / (Linux separator), but have also tried full path and \ (win separator)

Any help/clue would be appreciated

I generally do not use playlists, but created on to test this. My setup isAVR- 3313 + Serviio DLNA server on Win7. The server looks at a couple directories, one of which is D:\My Music. Within this directory, I created a file SomeSongs.m3u and using a text editor created the contents

Bo Diddley - The Definitive Collection\09 - Hey Bo Diddley.mp3
Mark Knopfler - Get Lucky\01 Border Reiver.mp3
Mark Knopfler - Get Lucky\08 Remembrance Day.mp3
Ruby - Socratic Gilligan\02 - Blackbird Possessed.mp3
Ruby - Socratic Gilligan\04 - Freight Train.mp3
CéU\01 vinheta quebrante.mp3
Pink Floyd - The Dark Side Of The Moon\04 - Time.mp3

where the first file corresponds to a file with absolute path D:\My Music\Bo Diddley - The Definitive Collection\09 - Hey Bo Diddley.mp3. The CéU song did not appear on the AVR (presumably due to the special character) but it played the other songs without issue. Note that I did not include the "#EXTM3U" or "#EXTINF" lines because I created the file before bothering to look up the format, not because I thought there was a reason to exclude them.
post #4520 of 10468
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by rgbyhkr View Post

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

What you asked and provided as an example are two different configurations. You cannot assign the "same" physical input (eg. HDMI1) to multiple sources (eg. CBL/SAT, DVD, Blu Ray), but you can assign "different" physical inputs (eg. HDMI, COAX1) to the same source (eg. CBL/SAT) in order to stack sources with the HDMI taking priority. This is true for both models, with, as you noted, the 4520CI having the added feature of being able to assign the analog inputs as well.

Thanks JD. I should have made that more clear as I was talking about each input type in isolation but I was aware of the stacking ability. That answers my question though.

Here's a follow-up for you. Can you switch the audio type for an input ( HDMI, digital, analog) on the fly with a button press or 2? This as opposed to having to dig into the setup menu. Alternatively, maybe there are available discrete IR codes or RS-232 or IP control commands for something like this? Thanks!

Jeff

Being able to assign the same physical input to multiple logical inputs would be so awesome. If I was designing an AVR from scratch I would do it this way, dispensing with the silly default names and allowing a user to create as many logical inputs as they wanted, name them whatever they want and create whatever digital input associations they want. It could be done very easily through a GUI or web interface.

Anyway, off the soapbox, as JD noted there are discrete input mode buttons. There is an "input mode" command that cycles through all options, as well as direct discretes for each mode. I have the harmony compatible hex versions listed on my website but you can also do it with pronto hex, serial, etc: http://batpigworld.com/wp/?p=117
post #4521 of 10468
I just replaced my old home theater AVR with a Denon AVR-3313CI. Of the many benefits I wanted out of this AVR is the ability to switch HDMI inputs and have just a single HDMI output to the TV.

One of my inputs comes from a PC (the application is a Java-based, custom music player application). Only the video for this application comes over the HDMI cable. The PC is set up with two displays - the PC's primary display, and then the secondary display which is configured for 1080p and send out the HDMI port to the home theater.

Previously, the HDMI cable from the PC was connected directly to the TV, which worked well (except that I want to connect all HDMI sources through the AVR).

With the AVR-3313CI in place, I'm connecting the HDMI from the PC to the AVR, which works for a while. After some time (hours, perhaps) of the PC source not being selected on the AVR, the PC disables the HDMI display from the PC side. This didn't happen when the HDMI cable was connected directly to the TV.

I'm assuming that even when in standby mode, the TV must have kept some signal on the HDMI input causing the PC to believe the connection was still active, while the AVR-3313CI is not doing this.

I don't know how to tell if that's what's happening, but am wondering if there is anything I can do to get the PC to believe the HDMI "sink" is active all the time - like perhaps using an HDMI extender or something similar?

Does anyone have any ideas that might help me?

Thanks,
post #4522 of 10468
^^
Although not directly related to your issue, review the following post and you may find a tip to possibly resolve the issue ...

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_L12
post #4523 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

@rgbyhkr -
Yes, the INPUT MODE setting accomplishes this and although it is available on XX10 and older Denon AVR remotes, it was removed on XX11 and newer model remotes. You can however, the discrete code to use with a Harmony remote using an older model's code as well as it's available via serial RS-232. In fact this was just discussed in the 4520CI thread last week so you may want to review that thread as well, especially if considering the 4520CI.
Also, if the difference in cost is not an issue between the two models, you are much better served going with the far more advanced XT32 in the 4520CI vs. the XT in the 3313CI (even more so with a better quality speaker/sub setup > $2000).

Thanks for that. The discrete codes would be perfect then. I'm of the same mind as batpig, but I understand tradeoffs when you’re talking about receivers in this price point (vs higher end pre/pros and external matrix switchers). This allows me to accomplish having the audio from something like Sonos while displaying the video from my sat receiver on TV - without additional hardware or multiple cable runs to the TV (I did consider all of those other scenarios).

I appreciate the recommendation on the 4520. Truthfully, the XT32 processing is the biggest benefit tugging me towards the 4520 especially given the rooms many imperfections. Also, I will definitely do 7.1 and may likely do 7.2. I have an "extra sub" I can use, but it doesn't match the first one. It's probably not the ideal scenario, but maybe the correction would be helpful there too.

One other thing. I'm also going to make use of some Sennheiser wireless headphones for listening when the kids are asleep. My thought is to attach them to Zone 3. I will have analog inputs for all sources as I know HDMI signals and digital signals can't be routed to the analog outputs of the other zones. I know there is a headphone jack, but using it mutes the speakers in Zone 1 and I can see a scenario where I forget to disconnect them and my wife then can't figure out why the volume isn't working. I'm assuming the receiver will still route the analog signal from a source even if that source is using HDMI audio in Zone 1 (since that's all it can route). I'm also assuming that mute is per zone such that if I mute Zone 1, volume level to the headphones feeding off of Zone 3 is unchanged. Lastly, I'll just have to see if lip sync is an issue in this scenario since the video to the TV will be HDMI from all sources.

Jeff
post #4524 of 10468
Correct on both Zone assumptions.
post #4525 of 10468
Hi All,

Please help me in resolving the HDMI Video Flash out issue I am having with my Denon AVR 1913. Earlier I used Yamaha receiver and never had HDMI issues. After using Denon 1913 I am started getting HDMI video issues. My video comes with "dots" and screen flashes with all white dots. No picture will come. I tried to switch off the receiver reset the receiver, reset microprocessor and power off all devices. When I try to power off and on the TV video works fine some times. But again if I switch off receiver then next time it may or may not get the video. I constantly has to power off multiple time to get the video one time.My TV is samsung TV (2009 model).

Does Denon receivers have hdmi issues with TV's?. How is the right solution?. All of my devices are having latest firmware.

Thanks in advance
post #4526 of 10468
I have the Denon 2113 and very much enjoying it. Just recently for the first time, I put FLAC music files on a usb stick. I plugged it into the receiver and everything shows up fine. However when I play a song, the album art does not show up. I have tried 500x500 and 300x300 size album art and no luck.

Anyone have this problem?
post #4527 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

You may want to also try a "Network reset" as noted in post #5 of this thread.
Tried Network reset as well. Still not working. Any other thoughts?
post #4528 of 10468
Hello.

I just set up a Denon AVR-1613 in my basement to a Polk Audio RM6750 5.1 speakers. I used 16 gauge speaker wire, the kind that has the blue line next to one of the wires but not the other.

I was sure to put the blue line on the red connector on both the speakers and the receiver. I even double checked it right now.

But when I run the Denon audio set up with the microphone, the receiver claims that I have the red and black connectors reversed on four of my speakers. Any explanation? What should I do? Thanks!
post #4529 of 10468
Evening chaps!

New to the forum, so I hope i'm posting this in the right place! Looking for your help with an issue ive got with my 2 day old Denon 2113CI

Unboxed it the other day, plugged in all the speakers (running 5.1), connected HDMI to the TV, ran Audyssey setup, all sounding good, all working nicely.

I have a Sky Box, running into HDMI 1 and Optical Input for noise, and a PS3 running into HDMI 4
> Connected to a Panny 50GT50 HDMI 2

All working well up until this afternoon, when I was watching something on Sky, and then wanted to use the PS3. So switched on PS3, changed the AVR from CBL/SAT to Game on the remote; and got no picture. Changed back to sky, which worked, changed to game again, no picture.

Weird I thought; checked hdmi feed by putting it direct to tv which worked... So, switched off AVR, left it 10mins, switched back on... and now I get no Video at all, from any HDMI source (tried all inputs) or even the Denon logo GUI, or the little box stating the sources etc. Totally blank output from it.

Things i've tried:

Microprocessor Reset - holding down tuner + & - & then powering up
Network Reset - holding down zone 2 source & dimmer & then powering up
5 different HDMI cables between AVR and TV
A different TV
Switching everything off & unplugging for 30mins or so, and booting TV first then AVR.

It just seems as if the output module has died...

Soo yeah, aside from boxing it up and taking it back to richer sounds, has anyone got any ideas i can try ??!

Many Thanks in advance!

Tom
post #4530 of 10468
As noted in the Owner's manual (p. 25) simply SKIP to the next position ....

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