The **OFFICIAL** Denon AVR-XX13 Model Owner's Thread & FAQ - Page 152

Other than trying a series of resets, no. Also, I don't recall anyone having posted with this same issue.

Thanks !!!

I also got the Panasonic dmp-bdt220 and now that I turned off deep color it's perfect. Prior to turning deep color off I had all kinds of issues. This is with the 1713

Tnx BBrix for trying it. I also tried a file like yours and still no luck. If I understand correctly you tried a plalylist from a shared Win 7 PC. However, what I'm trying is a playlist directly from a NAS. Not sure if that has something to do. I My problem is that as soon as I try any playlist the network connection of the AVR breaks.

Note: I just tried sharing my Win 7 media player and it works perfect even with the media and playlists stored in the NAS. I guess I'm gonna have to use a PC in the middle Perhaps the problem is the DLNA server in the NAS. I guess an updated NAS is my next purchase! I've been using a D-link DNS-323 for already several years.

Thanks for the help

Hi, I'm upgrading from a 3803 to a 2313CI. The new Denon will arrive Wednesday !!

Will I notice a difference??

But seriously, my main concerns are how should reconfigure the speakers to be able to take advantage of the Audyssey and other improvements that have come by over the last decade

I have ceiling speakers left/right slightly behind the viewing area and floor-mounted speakers left/right some (small) distance further behind but at a wider angle than the ceiling speakers, I have two front speakers L/R pretty close to the TV, a centre speaker above the TV and a sub-woofer nearby. My house is prewired for two more ceiling speakers that could be above, slightly forward, of the TV.

None of these seem to fit to the 7.1 configuration offered by the 2313.

Any recomendations? For sure I could add wireless speakers more or less anywhere (wife would not be happy with wires, and I'm not too keen on re-plumbing the walls).

Thanks in advance, T.

I've just bought a new pair of speakers for my AVR-1913 zone 2 and have spent more than the whole day cabling and doing all the work around it. Now I've just tested them and it sounds very good and it is a lot of fun. However I have some questions about zone 2. I hope the experts here can help me (perhaps I missed something in the manual):

1) I had already set up my AVR with amp assigned to zone 2 and ran the Audysey setup (without the speakers in zone2). Should I run it again now? (the speakers are in another area of the house, away from the AVR)

2) There seems to be almost not option to manage the sound in zone 2. I mean, I can change the volume level, but I wanted to try to use a balance, but couldn't find it anywhere (After all the cabling I don't know which cable is coming from the right or left speaker). I can not test the speakers in the zone 2 either, like I can in the main zone. Am I missing something?

3) I read is some post I should set the speakers size as large in zone 2 so it gives a wider range (since I don't have subwoofer in zone2). But I can only see the 5.1 speakers in the setup, not the zone 2.

4) Airplay from my iPad seems to go directly to the main zone (it even turns it on if in standy mode). I could sometimes play it in zone2 but couldn't figure out how, or if I can send it only to the zone2 without having to have the main zone on.

Lot of questions as you can see, but I spent quite some time trying these and couldn't find the answer. Hope you guys can help me

sorry if this had been asked before:

got the new media console, my 2113 is very tight fit height wise, can the four rubber feet been removed? thanks.

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Not recommended, no. Either find a new location for the AVR that provides at least 3-4" clearance above and to the sides of the AVR or time for a new stand.

These are both 7.1 AVRs so for the current 5.1 setup you would just use the same configuration you're using now with the 3803 (ie. the 2nd set of wider floor mounted speakers are treated as your "side" surrounds connected to the "Surround" speaker posts) and the ceiling speakers would be connected to the Surr Back/Amp Assign speaker posts where you can demo using either DD PLIIz or DSX-Front Height surround modes. Ideally, you would want to move the "wide" speakers to the sides of the main listening position which would better approximate the standard recommended 5.1 setup.

You've come to the right place to get answers regarding your new Denon XX13 AVR. Also be sure to review posts #3-6 in this thread for additional helpful information, including the information on Zone 2 in post #3.

1. Nope. Audyssey only applies to the main zone speakers.
2. Bass/treble settings on Zone 2 are only featured on the 2313CI and the 3313CI and test tones only apply to the main zone speakers. Note however, that Zone 2 will only pass "analog" connected devices, network sources, and USB (ie. no HDMI or optical).
3. You have no choice here ... the Zone 2 speakers will receive a full range signal so there is no LARGE/SMALL setting and again, GUI display focuses only on the main zone. The 2313CI and 3313CI feature a Zone 2 High Pass Filter best used with less capable Zone 2 speakers.
4. Airplay must first be set to play in both main and zone 2, and only then, another source can be selected for the main zone.

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Thanks jdsmoothie. That means most of my assumptions were right. Never mind! I think I can leave with that. I'm still very happy with my receiver!

After reading the suggested posts I got a new answer. I have a Media player connected to the AVR1913. It has an analog audio output additionally to the audio from the HDMI. Can I set the AVR so that when I listen the audio (and see the video) in Zone 1, it uses the HDMI audio, and when I listen to it in zone 2 it uses the analog?

It seems possible if I change the input assign manually each time, but of course that is not practical at all. Any sugestion?

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Couldn't you just connect the analog output to different input on the AVR and set Zone 2 to that? Assuming the media player outputs to both the HDMI and the analog simultanously for situations when you want the zone 1 and zone 2 both playing media player.

I've gone through this thread and haven't found this... How much latency does the AV processing in the xx13 models add to the video path? Is there a no latency or reduced latency mode? (This is in regard to gaming).

Thanks

Whether or not there is any noticeable latency is likely going to depend on the source device and model of AVR, however to reduce video processing on a model with a video card (ie. 1913 or higher) you can try setting the "i/p Scaler" and "Video Conversion" settings to OFF as well as setting the "Video Mode" on any model to "GAME" vice "AUTO".

Correct. With the HDMI input assigned to the same source name as you plug the analog cable in to (eg. SAT/CBL), and as Zone 2 can only play the analog input, whenever that source is selected to play in the main zone, it will also play in Zone 2 via the analog input.

Thanks. Good advise... good to know there are some options to reduce it.

It would be great if anyone who plays games through the 2113 or 2313 has any first hand experience with how much latency it ads (or whether someone has measured it...)

I'd consider bypassing the 2113/2313 for PS3 gaming except that it's my primary bluray also. I'd almost certainly disable the settings you mentioned.

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Note that even if you do have latency issues which cannot be otherwise minimized via settings on the AVR, with a PS3(HDMI)--> TV and PS3(optical)-->AVR configuration, it's unlikely you will notice any difference between the higher bitrate lossy DD/DTS 5.1 tracks on BDs over optical vs. the HD audio tracks over HDMI if that is your concern with that configuration.

You don't describe your video source device.
If it's a blu-ray player, then the first thing to do is to go into the player's video setup menu and disable "deep color".

Video glitches usually are caused by trying to send an HDMI input signal which has too high a bitrate for the devices and cables that the signal is trying to go through. When "deep color" is enabled, the player generates a video signal which has more than 8 bits per color channel, and thus generates a much higher bitrate than when deep color is disabled. No consumer source material has more than 8 bits of color per channel, so there's no reason to enable deep color in the player -- either the player will set the extra bits to 0, or the player will generate interpolated colors. If you want interpolated colors, it's probably best to let the display device (TV or projector) generate them.

I have the AVR-3313CI. I noticed that when listening to an FM radio station on the AVR, there is about a 1/2 second delay between the AVR sound and that of a standard FM receiver playing elsewhere in the house. This causes a rather annoying "echo" effect which I would like to try to eliminate. I know that this could be resolved by zone 2/3 or a whole-home audio setup, but I'm not at that stage yet and am looking for a quick solution, if one exists.

Is this delay induced by some settings in the AVR which can be disabled (like sound modes, etc.)?

Is it because the AVR is using the HD radio source, rather than the Analog FM radio source? How do I make sure I'm using the analog FM radio source?

Thanks,

Another great point! I hadn't actually realized that the "new" non-lossy audio formats don't work over SPDIF. Quick researched shows the 1.5 Mbps limitation...It would be disappointing, however, to not be able to take advantage of newer tech when doing an upgrade --- regardless of how easy it is to hear the difference

I know some upper end devices have dual HDMI out... I wonder if anyone is using this to send audio to a receiver and video directly to a display? Better yet, I wonder if anyone has an designed special HDMI device that accepts an HDMI input and then has dual outputs --- one with both A/V and one with just audio.

I finally was able to try disabling the deep color setting on the BDP with no luck. Same issue I had before. I can see the BDP boot up screen but once it loads the menu picture/video is lost although audio can be played.

So, I'm going to try another BDP. Can anyone recommend one they have had success using in conjunction with a 1913, preferably in the $100-200 range? Thanks

You don't have the choice. The HD radio will either play the HD signal if strong enough or if not, revert back to the analog signal. You could try using the DIRECT surround mode.

dayjk,

As a test, you might try accessing your Blu-ray player's video menu and setting it to generate a fixed 1080i output.
ETA: or 720p
Alternatively, this can be set in the receiver if its video processor is enabled.. See page 106 of the 1913's manual.

I don't see where you mention which BDP you currently have, or which TV you have. Sorry if I've overlooked them.
Most BDs have 1080p/60 menus.
Some older 720p HD TVs can't handle 1080p video and require 1080i video.

There are a few dual HDMI 1.4 BDPs on the market now to include the Panasonic BDT350.

Thanks. Even with Direct mode, there is still a delay (it's more like a quarter second than a half second).

Very frustrating. That's three places so far this new receiver has bit me in the backside Oh well, I'll move past these issues in time. I love the receiver otherwise.

Thanks again for all the help. This forum is really great (and the primary reason I decided to go with Denon in the first place)!

I use mine for gaming too - you almost certainly won't notice any latency,even if it's there - we're talking milliseconds. Your brain makes the adjustment and your performance doesn't suffer. Except maybe for games like Rock Band, where a/v sync matters most... but then you can calibrate in-game.

But if you TV has a 'game' mode, use that... and as mentioned turning off video processing and doing a direct pass-through of video on the Denon can help, too.

Hello fellow Denon owners and those considering becoming Denon owners.

After years of drooling over the Denon brand I picked up a 3313 on boxing day and have been working on getting things set up over the past week.

My previous receiver was about 15 years old. It had no HDMI inputs at all so I had to constantly switch inputs on both TV and AVR. Yeah, first world problem, I know.

It's hooked up to a Samsung rear-projection TV, PS3, HD TiVo, Klipsch Reference series speakers in 5.1 configuration and various other components.

I noticed a couple issues when playing around with the setup.

First, I ran into an issue with the HDMI-CEC option on my TV. When that was on I did not get any passthrough video even though I have the passthrough set to the TiVo imput. I did not figure out a solution for that one but since I decided to turn that off it turns out to not be a problem.

However, while turning setting that on and off on the TV I noticed the audio did not always respond and at some point just stopped. It turns out the solution for that was to turn off the AVR and turn it back on. Audio issues went away.

The second issue I ran into once in a while was some video tearing. That turned out to be caused by two issues.

One was a problem with sub-par HDMI cables. I had a couple cables that were of questionable origin and quality. Updating them to high-quality, high-speed cables took care of them.

The other issue was loose HDMI cables. I inadvertently loosened up cables while messing around with stuff on the back. Pushing cables all the way in fixed the tearing.

So, use good HDMI cables and make sure they are tight.

Thank you, you've given me some extra things to try. I have just been kind of set on the fact it's been a unsolvable compatibility issue as i dont have any issues when i connect the BDP directly to the TV and when i called Denon support they felt it was a HDMI handshake issue as well.

I can say the TV connected is an older 720/1080i Plasma so I was concerned resolution was an issue as well. I did turn the resolution down to 720 in the BDP without luck already but maybe the processor settings on the AVR are a piece of the puzzle so I will fiddle with those and see if that solves the issue.

Just to confirm, for the settings outlined on pg 106 of the manual, are those set per input, i.e., I need to be set to the BDP input before I adjust the settings or can this be set from the menu regardless of input.

Thanks again!

Hi All,
Please bear with me whilst I try and describe my audio problem.
Sometimes (but more often than not) when I turn on the receiver which is connected to my tv only - via either HDMI ARC or optical (not at the same time) the sound is all garbled and distorted out of all channels with high levels in the rear speakers. Sometimes there is no center channel audio whilst the others are working.
It takes a number of power offs and on of the receiver for it to finally "kick in" correctly for want of a better term. It sounds like the receiver is very "confused" at what to do with the audio.
When it does "kick in" it is all fine with the receiver auto changing to PLIIx C when the TV is giving out stereo or Dolby Digital when the HD channels are broadcasting such.
I have the AVR-2113 connected to an LG 42ls575 TV only, listening to freeview channels in the UK which broadcast stereo only mpeg audio on standard channels or HE-AAC on HD Channels. (as displayed by my TV)
My first thought was a HDMI handshake problem which is when I tried an optical cable only and the same problem happens. (all HDMI control fucntions work ok btw)
I turned off all hdmi control settings on both TV and receiver to see if this helped but no. I also turned off dynamic volume and eq
I suspected a problem with the audio output of the TV but before the Denon I had a Pioneer with the same TV and never had a problem.
I factory reset the 2113 so there is no Audyssey processing and also factory reset the TV. Both units have the latest firmwares.
Could the latest 2113 frimware not like the output of the LG tv for some reason ? or have sample rate conversion or sync problem between the TV and receiver ?
I've tried different cables etc etc.
I don't currently have any other HDMI sources to compare inputs but ultimatly I want to connect it this way with the single HDMI cable to reduce cable clutter. And the fact it does it through the optical cable anyway suggests a processing problem
Any thoughts would be most welcome as this is proving very frustrating.
Thanks