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post #4621 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

What are you seeing on the 2113 display that leads you to believe it is digital as only the 3313 has an HD Tuner installed? Check to make sure the FM antenna cable didn't get disconnected from the back of the AVR.

Before the FM stopped working, I was getting digital FM. As it showed as digital on the front display and TV. Showed the song playing, etc. I am in Australia, maybe it has a digital tuner? Antenna is connected ok, nothing has changed. Maybe a unit fault.?
post #4622 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Does sound like either an issue with the TV or a defective AVR. Try replacing the AVR.
Cheers Jdsmoothie. Indeed looks like it was a faulty 2113. I swapped it for another and its been fine since (touch wood !).
post #4623 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Alan P View Post

OK, so I'm getting my new XS15s from PSA tomorrow (YEAH) and was just thinking that I could sell my old subs (2 / Velodyne F1500s) OR I could re-purpose them.

I've got two options I'm considering:
  • Run all 4 subs from the one sub out on my AVR (Denon 2113ci)
  • Use the speaker level inputs on the F15s and run them between my AVR and FL/FR speakers (Klipschorns)

If I were to run them between the AVR and my K-Horns, would I then set the fronts to LARGE in the Denon? What should I set the F15s crossovers to (40-100hz)?

This is kind of complicated and depends on your goals.

I think if you like the sound of your current Velodynes for music and want to use them for dedicated 2ch listening with the KHorns, then the second option would work, allowing you to run the speakers as LARGE without the extra subs in play. The crossover integration will depend on (1) how low the K-Horns go and (2) whether or not the Velos have a HPF on the speaker level output. Eyeballing the manual for the F1500's, it doesn't look like the speaker outs are HPF'd, which means that the full range signal will pass through. In this case, you want to carefully the LPF for the sub such that you get a nice blend between the mains and subs without any overlap that will cause a "lump" in the mid-bass.

Personally, I'd probably just run all 4 subs off the SW OUT and use traditional bass management, but I don't think there's a clear cut answer. Even with movies some would argue that having the front channels play full range (large) is advantageous, but then the PSA's will be dedicated to purely LFE duty and won't get any play with stereo music.
post #4624 of 10468
Nate,

Have you connected it to the Ethernet yet? Denon released a firmware patch about 4 months ago that addressed that. My 3313 was doing the same thing until the released the patch. It was buried in some other firmware upgrade. But since I made the receiver current, I haven't had that problem since.

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Originally Posted by Nate427 View Post

Apologize upfront if I'm posting this in the wrong place but I'm an AV Novice here and hoping that I have an issue that someone here is familiar with....
I've had my AVR 1913 for just a few months now with no issues (really enjoying it). Recently the receiver will not turn on (via remote or front power button). To resolve I have to unplug the receiver and plug it back in...I hear a switch inside and seems to reset itself. After doing this I am able to turn it on via remote (or front power button). I've then tested it by turning it off and on several times to see if the issue is resolved and it reponds and turns off and on (seems like the problem is fixed). But if I leave it on for a little while and then turn it off (via remote) it will not turn back on. As a result I need to go through the whole process of unplugging it to "reset it"
The other thing that I noticed (which I'm not sure is normal) is when I unplug and then plug it back in and turn it on - the green Power button flashes several times and you can hear clicking/switching inside the unit.
Appreciate any help/expertise to help resolve!!!
Nate
post #4625 of 10468
I'm setting up a new 2313ci and connecting the OPPO BD-103 Blu-ray player. The OPPO has the latest Marvell QDEO video processor. When connecting the
HDMI from OPPO to Denon to the TV, does the Denon pass the video through or does it reprocess the signal?

I didn't see a clear answer in the Denon manual. The OPPO has 2 HDMI outs for running 1 direct to TV and 1 to receiver for the HDMI audio.
post #4626 of 10468
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Eyeballing the manual for the F1500's, it doesn't look like the speaker outs are HPF'd...

This is why I love you, BatPig. wink.gif

You go out of your way to look at the manual for my equipment to give the best informed answer you can...you are an invaluable asset to this forum, my friend!

I'm gonna try the quad sub setup both ways and see what works best. I think the speaker level outputs on the F15s do have a HPF, the manual isn't really clear on this...I guess I'll find out.

Thanks again!
post #4627 of 10468
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Originally Posted by DanL View Post

I'm setting up a new 2313ci and connecting the OPPO BD-103 Blu-ray player. The OPPO has the latest Marvell QDEO video processor. When connecting the
HDMI from OPPO to Denon to the TV, does the Denon pass the video through or does it reprocess the signal?
I didn't see a clear answer in the Denon manual. The OPPO has 2 HDMI outs for running 1 direct to TV and 1 to receiver for the HDMI audio.

The processing on the AVR can be turned off by setting the Video Conversion and i/p Scaler settings to OFF, otherwise, simply pass the video straight to the TV with audio only to the AVR.
post #4628 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Alan P View Post

OK, so I'm getting my new XS15s from PSA tomorrow (YEAH) and was just thinking that I could sell my old subs (2 / Velodyne F1500s) OR I could re-purpose them.
I've got two options I'm considering:
  • Run all 4 subs from the one sub out on my AVR (Denon 2113ci)
  • Use the speaker level inputs on the F15s and run them between my AVR and FL/FR speakers (Klipschorns)
If I were to run them between the AVR and my K-Horns, would I then set the fronts to LARGE in the Denon? What should I set the F15s crossovers to (40-100hz)?

You can certainly give that a shot vs. just the two newer subs. And yes, the FL/FR speakers should be left as LARGE after running Audyssey. Subs don't have crossovers.
post #4629 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

The processing on the AVR can be turned off by setting the Video Conversion and i/p Scaler settings to OFF, otherwise, simply pass the video straight to the TV with audio only to the AVR.


Thank You! I was looking at the HDMI control section in the Denon manual and wanted to make sure I got that right.
post #4630 of 10468
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

could use some advice:not sure if this is correct thread?
I am looking for a receiver for my office: all I need is stereo but multichannel is OK
I bought an Onkyo TX-8050 and it is nice but my main listening is Sirius: the Onkyo uses the Sirius internet service which has occasional dropouts on a high speed cable service (many users share this)
Now I notice most of the new Denon's also use Sirius via Ethernet
so my question: which Denon models offer Sirius using the external Sirius module and antenna? I do want a networking receiver and iPad app interface
TIA

The 3311CI and 4311CI are the most current models with the Sirius jack.
post #4631 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

You can certainly give that a shot vs. just the two newer subs. And yes, the FL/FR speakers should be left as LARGE after running Audyssey. Subs don't have crossovers.

Huh? Mine do - adjustable from 40hz to 100hz.
post #4632 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

could use some advice:not sure if this is correct thread?
I am looking for a receiver for my office: all I need is stereo but multichannel is OK
I bought an Onkyo TX-8050 and it is nice but my main listening is Sirius: the Onkyo uses the Sirius internet service which has occasional dropouts on a high speed cable service (many users share this)
Now I notice most of the new Denon's also use Sirius via Ethernet
so my question: which Denon models offer Sirius using the external Sirius module and antenna? I do want a networking receiver and iPad app interface
TIA

The 3311CI and 4311CI are the most current models with the Sirius jack.

thank you
post #4633 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Alan P View Post

Huh? Mine do - adjustable from 40hz to 100hz.

If you're referring to the LFE frequency, as noted in the Owner's manual, set it to it's max of 150Hz.
post #4634 of 10468
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Originally Posted by OziDoggy View Post

Before the FM stopped working, I was getting digital FM. As it showed as digital on the front display and TV. Showed the song playing, etc. I am in Australia, maybe it has a digital tuner? Antenna is connected ok, nothing has changed. Maybe a unit fault.?

Your AU Owner's manual doesn't indicate the FM tuner to be other than analog so cannot address the digital vs. analog issue. To just get it up and running again, first try simply unplugging the AVR for a few minutes, and if still no joy, do the microprocessor reset after first saving the config.dat file to a PC using the Web Control feature.
post #4635 of 10468
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Alan P View Post

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

You can certainly give that a shot vs. just the two newer subs. And yes, the FL/FR speakers should be left as LARGE after running Audyssey. Subs don't have crossovers.

Huh? Mine do - adjustable from 40hz to 100hz.

Just to be clear on what JD was saying, a crossover requires TWO filters -- a HPF and an LPF. There has to be "two sides" to the equation for it to be a crossover. When you set the crossover on a receiver for a given speaker channel, it then employs both an HPF on the speaker side, and a matching LPF on the redirected bass to the sub channel.

The knob on the sub is often labeled as a "crossover" but it's really just an LPF as far as the sub is concerned -- it only controls the high end of the subwoofer's response.

The point wrt this discussion is whether that knob in any way applies an HPF to the speaker level outputs if you are using the sub in-line between the receiver and the speakers, with a speaker wire connection. With almost all subs it's just an LPF on the sub response, and the high level outputs are either unfiltered or have some set HPF (usually 80Hz). It's hard to tell from the manual.

EDIT: I just found it in the manual in the spec sheet, it's a fixed 85Hz high pass for the outputs. The sub claims the -3dB point on the upper end is 85Hz, so it may work out perfectly just maxing out the LPF knob and letting the natural upper end roll-off of the sub blend with the built-in HPF on the outputs. You may need to tweak slightly to get a smoother blend on the crossover region.
Edited by batpig - 1/8/13 at 5:03pm
post #4636 of 10468
Late to the party. Thinking of ordering a 2313, and had a question about the 4k capabilities. Is there any way that when 4k content is introduced, this receiver could pass it through? I'm assuming that 4k would require a new HDMI spec, which would require new hardware. It sounds like the 2313 may still be worth it for the better Audessy.
post #4637 of 10468
Hi,

New to the forum and the receiver, and have a question. I ran Audyssey, but have a large and very sonically bright living room, so we're having trouble understanding dialogue in movies. I read about Cinema EQ and thought about trying it, but when I went to Audio under the setup menu, Sound Parameter and DIalogue Level are both dimmed, meaning one can't select them to make any changes.

Any suggestions for either adjusting to the room brightness or how to reach the Sound Parameter settings?

Thanks
post #4638 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Bookworm370 View Post

Nate,
Have you connected it to the Ethernet yet? Denon released a firmware patch about 4 months ago that addressed that. My 3313 was doing the same thing until the released the patch. It was buried in some other firmware upgrade. But since I made the receiver current, I haven't had that problem since.

Thanks Bookworm! I haven't done a firmware upgrade yet, so hopefully that does the trick....appreciate the help/advice!
post #4639 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Porteroso View Post

Late to the party. Thinking of ordering a 2313, and had a question about the 4k capabilities. Is there any way that when 4k content is introduced, this receiver could pass it through? I'm assuming that 4k would require a new HDMI spec, which would require new hardware. It sounds like the 2313 may still be worth it for the better Audessy.

The 2313 is 4K ready, as is the current HDMI spec (if you have HDMI 1.4, 1.4a or 1.4b cables, you won't need new ones). I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for content, or affordable display devices...could be awhile yet. Although, if you DID find a display you can afford, the 2313 will upconvert all sources to 4K - how that will actually look, I have no idea.
Edited by Alan P - 1/8/13 at 8:37pm
post #4640 of 10468
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Just to be clear on what JD was saying, a crossover requires TWO filters -- a HPF and an LPF. There has to be "two sides" to the equation for it to be a crossover. When you set the crossover on a receiver for a given speaker channel, it then employs both an HPF on the speaker side, and a matching LPF on the redirected bass to the sub channel.
The knob on the sub is often labeled as a "crossover" but it's really just an LPF as far as the sub is concerned -- it only controls the high end of the subwoofer's response.
The point wrt this discussion is whether that knob in any way applies an HPF to the speaker level outputs if you are using the sub in-line between the receiver and the speakers, with a speaker wire connection. With almost all subs it's just an LPF on the sub response, and the high level outputs are either unfiltered or have some set HPF (usually 80Hz). It's hard to tell from the manual.
EDIT: I just found it in the manual in the spec sheet, it's a fixed 85Hz high pass for the outputs. The sub claims the -3dB point on the upper end is 85Hz, so it may work out perfectly just maxing out the LPF knob and letting the natural upper end roll-off of the sub blend with the built-in HPF on the outputs. You may need to tweak slightly to get a smoother blend on the crossover region.

Ahhh...now it all makes sense...HPF and LPF. Thanks guys, I'll let you know how it works out.
post #4641 of 10468
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Originally Posted by cpking View Post

Hi,
New to the forum and the receiver, and have a question. I ran Audyssey, but have a large and very sonically bright living room, so we're having trouble understanding dialogue in movies. I read about Cinema EQ and thought about trying it, but when I went to Audio under the setup menu, Sound Parameter and DIalogue Level are both dimmed, meaning one can't select them to make any changes.
Any suggestions for either adjusting to the room brightness or how to reach the Sound Parameter settings?
Thanks

Huh? Sounds like you have the receiver in Stereo or Direct mode as these are the only surround parameters I know of that exhibit this behavior. Is your center channel producing sound? Do you have a center channel speaker??
post #4642 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Porteroso View Post

Late to the party. Thinking of ordering a 2313, and had a question about the 4k capabilities. Is there any way that when 4k content is introduced, this receiver could pass it through? I'm assuming that 4k would require a new HDMI spec, which would require new hardware. It sounds like the 2313 may still be worth it for the better Audessy.

Yes. The 2012 Denon CI models (2113CI, 2313CI, 3313CI, 4520CI) and Marantz X007/7701/8801 can both upscale and pass through 4k content (unlike AFAIK the 2012 Onkyo models which can only upscale and NOT pass through 4k content).
post #4643 of 10468
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Originally Posted by cpking View Post

Hi,
New to the forum and the receiver, and have a question. I ran Audyssey, but have a large and very sonically bright living room, so we're having trouble understanding dialogue in movies. I read about Cinema EQ and thought about trying it, but when I went to Audio under the setup menu, Sound Parameter and DIalogue Level are both dimmed, meaning one can't select them to make any changes.
Any suggestions for either adjusting to the room brightness or how to reach the Sound Parameter settings?
Thanks

Rather than using Cinema EQ, suggest you take a look at the Audyssey 101/FAQ Guilde linked in my sig especially reviewing the following link to get the best EQ using Audyssey ...

http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/51700_100#user_a2
post #4644 of 10468
Have any of you purchased your Denons from accessories4less and if so, how was the shipping speed and quality of the refurbs?
post #4645 of 10468
I got my 1713 from them just before Christmas. It came a day early, looked like new, looked like original packaging, all parts and documentation were there and best of all is that I have not had a single problem with it. Oh yea, it sounds great, room correction is a wonderful thing.
post #4646 of 10468
Can you connect whoofer to 1713?
post #4647 of 10468
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ghan_sri View Post

Can you connect whoofer to 1713?

Do you mean a subwoofer? ALL modern receivers have a sub output for an external powered subwoofer.
post #4648 of 10468
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Originally Posted by clev1 View Post

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Originally Posted by clev1 View Post

Thanks bp, I've downloaded your guide and have been using it. I missed the Sur Snd part. One other thing, is Standby mode and power off the same thing? I've been reading about Pass Through to watch the TV when the receiver is off. As far as I know, I have all settings correct, but when I power off the receiver, I have no signal passing to the tv.

OK, I have Pass Thru working with Main HDMI, but not Zone 2 HDMI. Does that take a special setting?

Pass through is irrelevant to the zone 2 HDMI because its a totally separate path. The ONLY thing at Zone 2 HDMI can do is pass through an HDMI signal, so there is no special setting.... You just use it.
post #4649 of 10468
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Originally Posted by tcramer View Post

Have any of you purchased your Denons from accessories4less and if so, how was the shipping speed and quality of the refurbs?

I just purchased a 2313 from them. I'll let you know how it all turns out, but there was a thread here asking about them, and it seemed like they had an above average reputation. One guy had a serious problem with him, but I'm not so sure it wasn't his fault. Everyone else had had favorable experiences.
post #4650 of 10468
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Pass through is irrelevant to the zone 2 HDMI because its a totally separate path. The ONLY thing at Zone 2 HDMI can do is pass through an HDMI signal, so there is no special setting.... You just use it.

Thanks, bp. But, I don't know what I'm doing wrong. The Pass Thru works fine with Main, but I have no signal on Zone 2 unless the receiver is on. I have an HDMI cable hooked to the Zone 2 HDMI out, plugged into the HDMI wall plug that feeds the kitchen. The tv is an LCD HD 32" Sony with BraviaSync 'On', with an HDMI cable plugged into the HDMI wall plug. I've tried it with BraviaSync both on and off. Can you speculate on what may be causing the problem?
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