The **OFFICIAL** Denon AVR-XX13 Model Owner's Thread & FAQ - Page 156

Hi cp, for the purpose of clearing up room size, my room is 26' x 32' and my recliner is 21' from the Center Channel speaker; a VSX20 Bose. Dialogue as well as all sound on all speakers is crystal clear and understandable. We've played some movies, both now and in the past, where the voice track is/was almost unintelligeble, but that's the track, not the speaker. I did run Aud. sound control 4 or 5 separate times, moving speakers a little here and there, especially the sub, and everything works automatically.

Just got my 2113 refurb from A4L a couple weeks ago. Fast delivery, everything looks like new and haven't had any issues so far. If you do get a refurb, make sure the first thing you do is a microprocessor reset.

I know there have been several comparisons, but what would you guys choose from the below based on value vs performance? I'm thinking the MultEQ XT of the 2xxx's could be worth the extra $ for my far less than ideal shaped room, or should I just keep the 1913 and be happy with it?

1913 - $482 is what I paid otd.
2113 - $579 for a new one
2112 - $399 for a refurb
2312 - $499 for a refurb

I bought a refurb 3313 from A4L the week before Christmas, and received it on 12/29. So shipping speed is acceptable considering that I opted for the Ground shipping. So, the buying experience from A4L has been positive for me.

Once I received the receiver, it was a good as brand new in appearance and quality of the included accessories. It came packed really well, but not in a Denon branded box. The actual receiver hooked up OK and worked fine - even with network control and streaming working perfectly, until I tried to update firmware over the internet. The receiver got stuck during update, and things went downhill after that. I can't say if a brand new receiver wouldn't have had such issues with an internet-based firmware update. The receiver is unusable right now with no video output and unresponsive to SETUP or RESET commands. I went straight to Denon support, initially to troubleshoot the situation, and was offered a replacement. But I have been waiting for more than a week now, for the Denon support to provide me an RMA or shipping labels to ship the receiver back for a replacement.

Good advice, I should have thought of it myself. Anyway, reversing the Monitor 1 and Zone 2 HDMI outputs, gave a picture to my kitchen tv (now on Monitor 1) and NO picture to my main tv (now on Zone 2). Reversing back to the original main tv on Monitor 1 and kitchen to Zone 2, again returned picture on the main tv an nothing to the kitchen. So, I have to assume that Zone 2 is not functional for Pass Thru. Also, I tried the kitchen in Monitor 2 HDMI output and it does work with Pass Thru. Unless I misread, Monitor 2 HDMI is not supposed to work with Pass Thru. I guess it's time to call Denon Tech Spt. Thanks for all the help, bp.

Just got off the phone Denon Tech Support and according to rep to whom I spoke, Zone 2 does not pass through when the receiver is turned off; Zone 2 must remain on. Personally, I don't call that Pass Through, if it has to be on to work. He also confirmed that both Monitor 1 & 2 HDMI outputs WILL Pass Through when the receiver is off. Again, thanks for all the assistance that I've received here.

This is what was confusing me with your posts. Batpig has already stated that Zone 2 needs to be on. This is how my 3313 works and how I understood it to work from the info in the manual.
Edited by praz - 1/9/13 at 11:22am

I went back through my posts and the responses, and if he made that statement, I missed it, both times. And my first posts stated 'Zone 2 off', no Pass Through, so I'm confused with your confusion, LOL. Perception and clarification on some terminology is also a minor problem, maybe just for me. For instance, if the unit has to be on for Zone 2 HDMI to "pass through' signals, I don't call that a "Pass Through"; to me it's a normal output. Pass Through means the unit will pass through signals when it's off. Also, there's Standby vs Power Off. Anyway, I think I have everything working properly and appreciate all advice.

Sorry if this has been covered, I could not find it via searching.

I recently purchased a refurbed 2313 from A4L and have been happy so far...but am having a setup problem.

• My main L&R speakers are Definitive Technologies PM-700s, with built-in powered subs.
• In Speaker Config, I have set the Front to "Small" and Subwoofer to "Yes".
• I wired the mains with both speaker wire and RCA to the LFE.
• When running Audyssey setup it does not recognize the sub. And when running manual test tones, I do not get subwoofer output.

I switched the Speaker config back to "Large" and am getting full range output (i.e.sub is working)

Am I missing a step?

I can't think of anything that would need to be done to the speaker to "activate" the LFE input. So I'm leaning towards thinking the sub out on the AVR is not working...

Thanks in advance for any insights,
M.J.

Do the AVR-1613 or AVR-1713 have Audyssey Dynamic Volume? Or just the MultEQ / MultEQ XT? It seems the old AVR-590 has they dynamic volume but i don't see it listed on the AVR-1613/1713 page

That is normal. Large speaker setting = built in sub. Small speaker setting = w/o sub ie dedicated sub. It's the same across all AVRs.

The specs page confirms that you set the speakers to large.
http://www.definitivetech.com/products/powermonitor-700

I've seen some nice frequency response graphs showing before and after Audyssey. Does the Denon Web interface allow this calibration data to be retrieved? Or are people using some external tool and just measuring prior to calibration and then again afterwards?

I asked over on the Audyssey forum and Chris responded I needed to set the fronts to small to be able to benefit from the XT bass management.

I'm concerned I have 1) a bad sub out or 2) bad LFE in on the drivers.

If it turns out to just be the cables or settings I'll be happy

2113ci reciever, polk monitor 60s, cs1, and 30s sitting and waiting to be hooked up at the house im closing in on in march. Ill post pics of the 2 rooms where im thinking of setting up. Basement and a very open upstairs.
What do you suggest would be the most benefial way of doing wifi? Thanks

No Denon today after all.

UPS arrived early. I wasn't there. After which, nobody would let me put a hold on the receiver to pick up at UPS Center, but was encouraged to go to online UPS and sign on for various programs. Spent the day creating a MyUPS and then MyUPS Choice account and it didn't work and generally waiting with Tech Support and Customer Service the whole day until finally it was confirmed that the MyUPS and MyUPSChoice were, in fact, working fine and that the reason was because the original shipper has put a no-redirect on the shipment, but now, with this knowledge in hand called the shipper and they are closed for the day.

Basically 5 hrs of life wasted... Sorry.. Just needed to vent :-(

Ugh, now that batpig mentions it, it doesn't seem likely both drivers would have "bad LFE inputs"...

I've not yet connected to the network to update the card...any chance the "turning on Sub output" could be effected by that?

I've going to dig up an old Klipsch powered sub I've got to see if it responds

Any of that stuff works or is somrhing better than the other. I was just thinking of a bridge so i can plug my xbox receiver and anything else into it for best results. Thinking of att uverse so thats wireless right there just have to do the bridge hookup.

Thanks!

Where did you see that Zone 2 would pass-through the HDMI input? I went through the manual for my receiver (3313CI) and it is never mentioned. Batpig did say that zone 2 had to be turned on - you just missed it. You did say that you had the power off, but BP probably assumed you meant the main zone power, not all zones. I'm pretty sure you wont get anything out of Zone 2 unless Zone 2 is turned on.

Hi All,

Got my 1713 today, hooked up all devices and speakers and everything is working well except for my cable box (no audio or video), tested all connections and HDMI cable to no avail.. any tips?

I would start by checking your cable box and making sure it is set to output via hdmi. Does it work when connected directly to your TV with hdmi?

I am lucky with my Dish receiver playing nice with my AVRs (Marantz till now, and a Denon 3313 currently getting swapped in under warranty repair), but I've seen repeated recommendations to connect the satellite/cable boxes directly to the TV using HDMI and have the TV output a 5.1 signal over its optical out to your receiver. These cable/sat signals are never higher than DD 5.1 anyway, so having your TV send out the audio signals back to the TV shouldn't change anything. Try this out and let us know if it solves your problem.