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post #4921 of 10468
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Originally Posted by mindcrime66 View Post

Hi Aiden,

Check page 24 of the 1613 manual. Step 16 sets it.
I reckon there are ways to set/unset it not having to go through the whole audyssey setup. I own a 3313 and the menu structures are quite distinct. Search the .pdf version of your manual on dynanic volume and you should hit it soon enough.

Cheers,

Michael


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Ok, got it. Just set it off and I'll listen to see if it stops happening. Thank you Michael for your time/help.
post #4922 of 10468
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Originally Posted by rudds View Post

....One question that's perplexing me. I'm hooking up an Xbox 360 and a PS3, and the receiver is exhibiting a weird behavior with both of them. Initially I ran both consoles to my TV through HDMI and then ran an optical cable from TV to receiver, so I would only have to change inputs on the TV and leave the receiver on the same input all the time. When hooked up like this, the 360 worked fine, but I would hear no sound out of the PS3 for 2-3 seconds after it would start sending a signal to the receiver. For instance in the XMB menu, if I start navigating the menu, the little "ding" menu sound is missing for the first two or three movements, then kicks in afterward. If I let it sit for another 5 seconds and then start navigating again, same thing. It's almost like the receiver is going to "sleep" in the absence of a signal and then taking a few seconds to wake up again.

I tried instead connecting the consoles directly to the receiver's HDMI inputs and then running a single HDMI to the TV, and now the reverse is true. The PS3 outputs sound properly, but the 360 is exhibiting the weird sleep-lag phenomenon, so if I move around the dashboard menu, or go from silence to playing music, the first couple of seconds doesn't register and then it kicks back in.

Both consoles are set to output basic stereo audio, so I would have thought the receiver would simply pass this signal through without incident, but it seems there's some kind of processing delay taking place.

Any tips to alleviate this problem? I've dug around the setup menu and manual to no avail.

Anyone else with this problem and who might have solved it? I'm experiencing the same problem in XBMC. Earlier I had the same issue with my PS3, but it started to work just fine after a reset on the AVR.
There must be something else to it, I shouldn't need to reset it again, do I?
post #4923 of 10468
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

How is the video connected to the display? You ARE aware that this model doesn't do any video conversion, right?

Also, if you were on my website you should have read that the inputs you were trying to assign are NOT assignable... But that's a secondary point because its not the issue here.

I'm not concerned with video conversion. I'm just trying to get their dvd player connected to the bookshelf speakers that I got for them because their hearing is starting to go. I have an hdmi cable running from the avr to the tv and rca cables from the dvd player to the avr.

Thanks for your help.
post #4924 of 10468
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

How is the video connected to the display? You ARE aware that this model doesn't do any video conversion, right?

Also, if you were on my website you should have read that the inputs you were trying to assign are NOT assignable... But that's a secondary point because its not the issue here.

I'm not concerned with video conversion. I'm just trying to get their dvd player connected to the bookshelf speakers that I got for them because their hearing is starting to go. I have an hdmi cable running from the avr to the tv and rca cables from the dvd player to the avr.

Thanks for your help.
post #4925 of 10468
Help needed! We have had the 2113ci for 5 months now and have never had a single issue with it. Last night, while watching a movie, the receiver started turning off and the green light started blinking red (both in .5 second and 2 second intervals). Upon reading online we moved the receiver so it was in the open to make sure it cooled down, and turned down the volume on the movie. So far so good, until today.

We were listening to music today and the receiver turned off again, only this time it will NOT turn back on, it goes right to the fast blinking red light. We've checked the speaker wires in the back and they appear to not be touching any other posts. Any other thoughts as to what it could be? Any way we could reset the receiver and see what happens? We unplugged it about 15 minutes ago and will see what happens when we do that.
post #4926 of 10468
Denon 1913

1. I have seen posts but still not 100%, is it possible to listen to what ever is on the main zone on the zone 2 speakers? If so, how. Don't care if output is stereo, just want to hear pre game in the kitchen before game starts.

2. Does the AVR auto pick best sound output? If I hit the music button for example how do I get back to auto.

3. I noticed that my screen was shaking at random times, I did a processor reset and it hasn't done it since but it's only been 2 days. Anyone else notice video shaking a bit?
post #4927 of 10468
I'm currently only using 5.1, but the 2113 is capable of 7.1

I have several options available to me.

Rear surrounds or side surrounds or front highs or front wides or bi-amping the main FR / FL... So many options! What's people's opinions on the placement of the extra 2 speakers in a 7.1 vs a 5.1?
post #4928 of 10468
With a 5.1 setup you're already using "side" surrounds, and the 2113CI doesn't have DSX so you don't have to worry about whether to use DSX Front Wide or Front Height, rather you only have the DD PLIIz Front Height option. The bi-amping feature serves no real benefit so you're really only down to too choices .. either Front Height or rear surround. Some prefer one .. others the other. Your best bet is to try both and stick with the setup you prefer. smile.gif
post #4929 of 10468
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Originally Posted by raydog44 View Post

Denon 1913

1. I have seen posts but still not 100%, is it possible to listen to what ever is on the main zone on the zone 2 speakers? If so, how. Don't care if output is stereo, just want to hear pre game in the kitchen before game starts.

2. Does the AVR auto pick best sound output? If I hit the music button for example how do I get back to auto.

3. I noticed that my screen was shaking at random times, I did a processor reset and it hasn't done it since but it's only been 2 days. Anyone else notice video shaking a bit?

1. Not as Zone 2 no. Analog connected sources, USB, FM radio, and network sources only (ie. no HDMI and no optical/digital coax). However, if you set them up as "Front B" via Amp Assign, the same signal going to the Front A speakers will pass to the Front B speakers as well (HDMI or otherwise).
2. Nope. It plays what it receives.
post #4930 of 10468
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Originally Posted by kw33mn View Post

Help needed! We have had the 2113ci for 5 months now and have never had a single issue with it. Last night, while watching a movie, the receiver started turning off and the green light started blinking red (both in .5 second and 2 second intervals). Upon reading online we moved the receiver so it was in the open to make sure it cooled down, and turned down the volume on the movie. So far so good, until today.

We were listening to music today and the receiver turned off again, only this time it will NOT turn back on, it goes right to the fast blinking red light. We've checked the speaker wires in the back and they appear to not be touching any other posts. Any other thoughts as to what it could be? Any way we could reset the receiver and see what happens? We unplugged it about 15 minutes ago and will see what happens when we do that.

Refer to post #5 in this thread on how to do both a microprocessor reset and a network reset. If still no joy, it could be amp failure. frown.gif Check Denon's website to see if you have any authorized repair facilities in your local area.
post #4931 of 10468
When streaming to my NAS to the AVR-3313 it will (as the manual suggest) play HD audio up to 192kHz via FLACs. However multi channel flacs are downsampled to stereo. Can I somehow make the AVR respect the 6channel audio I feed to it?

Same 6ch files are played as multi channel when streamed by my DBT-3313. However this is a DNLA DMP, which unlike the DNLA DMR AVR, will not let it controlled remotely. So for casual playback I'd like to use the AVR....but preferably multi channel when available in the audio file.


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post #4932 of 10468
Doing lots of research on receivers for an upgrade from my Onkyotx-nr609. Last week I looked at Marantz 5007, 6007, 7005. Now looking at the Denon 2113, 2313, 3313. The main reason for upgrading is audyssey multieq, I have an HSU VTF-15H with Definitive Technology 8060 towers, 8040 centers, 8040 rears and pro monitor 1000's up front high. Between the Denon & Marantz all these models have multieq. Watts per channel from 95-125, of course not much audible difference. And other features I really don't care much about. Are there any differences in the amplifier hardware between these models? Better amps? Why not get the Denon 2113 or Marantz 5007? I'm just trying to find out if spending more is necessary.
post #4933 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Refer to post #5 in this thread on how to do both a microprocessor reset and a network reset. If still no joy, it could be amp failure. frown.gif Check Denon's website to see if you have any authorized repair facilities in your local area.

Thanks JD. Tried both the network reset and microprocessor reset. No dice, it still jumps right to a blinking red light. Looks like it's time to take advantage of the warranty from Electronics Expo!

Unless there's something I maybe haven't checked yet?
post #4934 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Doing lots of research on receivers for an upgrade from my Onkyotx-nr609. Last week I looked at Marantz 5007, 6007, 7005. Now looking at the Denon 2113, 2313, 3313. The main reason for upgrading is audyssey multieq, I have an HSU VTF-15H with Definitive Technology 8060 towers, 8040 centers, 8040 rears and pro monitor 1000's up front high. Between the Denon & Marantz all these models have multieq. Watts per channel from 95-125, of course not much audible difference. And other features I really don't care much about. Are there any differences in the amplifier hardware between these models? Better amps? Why not get the Denon 2113 or Marantz 5007? I'm just trying to find out if spending more is necessary.

As far as the Denon models the 3 mentioned are all good. I have the 2313ci and happy so far. The 3313 adds pre-outs for all channels if you need that option.
With your powered subs you might not need as much power as other users.
post #4935 of 10468
Have you disconnected everything including you speaker cables and does it still happen ?
post #4936 of 10468
I have the Denon AVR-3313CI. When listening to HD Radio, there is a strange character displayed on the front panel display.

It is a slash (/) character and it appears right below the preset number (in my case, this is preset station number one, so it appears right below the "01". The slash appears for 10 seconds, then is absent for 10 seconds, and then repeats.



I've gone all though the manual and can't find any explanation for this. Can anyone tell me what this means?

Thanks,
post #4937 of 10468
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As far as the Denon models the 3 mentioned are all good. I have the 2313ci and happy so far. The 3313 adds pre-outs for all channels if you need that option.
With your powered subs you might not need as much power as other users

right, I was thinking similar. I might be able to get a deal on the Marantz 5007 from my dealer that I bought my speakers from since he sells Marantz.
post #4938 of 10468
I have observed this when listening to certain (not all) HD FM radio stations, I think it is an anomaly caused by the station broadcasting and NOT relevant to the AVR. It doesn't AFAIK "mean" anything. If a station does not broadcast text (song title, artist, e.t.c.) then sometimes I will see the / displayed intermittently.
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Originally Posted by MarkEHansen View Post

I have the Denon AVR-3313CI. When listening to HD Radio, there is a strange character displayed on the front panel display.

It is a slash (/) character and it appears right below the preset number (in my case, this is preset station number one, so it appears right below the "01". The slash appears for 10 seconds, then is absent for 10 seconds, and then repeats.



I've gone all though the manual and can't find any explanation for this. Can anyone tell me what this means?

Thanks,
post #4939 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

1. Not as Zone 2 no. Analog connected sources, USB, FM radio, and network sources only (ie. no HDMI and no optical/digital coax). However, if you set them up as "Front B" via Amp Assign, the same signal going to the Front A speakers will pass to the Front B speakers as well (HDMI or otherwise).
2. Nope. It plays what it receives.

I set amp to B and heard nothing out of zone 2 speakers. Do I need to change the actual speaker connections on back of AVR? I don't understand why I can't just change the set up and make the zone 2 speakers rear surround instead so it plays main cable source like its 7.1 but the rear speakers are in a diff room.

Thx for responding.
post #4940 of 10468
You also have to set the setting (p. 115 OM) to "A+B". Another option is to set AMP ASSIGN to "Surround Back", turn Audyssey OFF, and then set the surround mode to "Multi CH Stereo".
post #4941 of 10468
I purchased an AVR1613 a few weeks back & been having video drop out issues, primarily on commercials. I am using it with a Cisco/SA 4632HD cable box on Time Warner. What's happening is that during some commercials, a few seconds into the commercial the screen will go black for about 500-750ms and then come back. During this time, the volume is muted, but once the picture comes back the volume ramps up to where it was previously. I have the cable box hard coded to output 1080i (as that's the limit of my Fujitsu plasma).

When the cable box is hooked directly to the display this does not happen. So I guess it could be the patch cable between the cable box. & the receiver, or the receiver itself. I've tried another HDMI patch cable between the Cale box. & receiver, same issue.

Has anyone else had this issue? Previously I was trying out a Harmon/Kardon AVR1700 that I returned for a number of reasons, one of which was that most commercials were extremely loud no matter what compression setting I tried on the H/k. I don't have loud commercials with the Denon, but this makes me wonder if there is something broadcast along with the commercial that's annoying the receiver, or if the receiver is for some reason blacking out the video while it tries to adjust the audio output for the loud commercial?
post #4942 of 10468
Issues with cable boxes are quite common with any brand of AVR. Go with the HDMI direct to TV and optical to 1613.
post #4943 of 10468
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by robotclaws View Post

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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

How is the video connected to the display? You ARE aware that this model doesn't do any video conversion, right?

Also, if you were on my website you should have read that the inputs you were trying to assign are NOT assignable... But that's a secondary point because its not the issue here.

I'm not concerned with video conversion. I'm just trying to get their dvd player connected to the bookshelf speakers that I got for them because their hearing is starting to go. I have an hdmi cable running from the avr to the tv and rca cables from the dvd player to the avr.

Thanks for your help.

In your original post you indicated that you are getting audio but NOT video. I am telling you that the reason is because there is no video conversion. If I understand this correctly then you definitely SHOULD be concerned because that's the problem wink.gif

The key thing to understand is that the analog RCA input signal will not be "converted" to the HDMI video output to the TV. Analog video input does NOT get cross converted to digital video output.

You will either need to run an analog video cable to the TV in addition to the HDMI, or (better option) get an inexpensive HDMI equipped DVD player.
post #4944 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Issues with cable boxes are quite common with any brand of AVR. Go with the HDMI direct to TV and optical to 1613.

Unfortunately that's not a long-term option for me, since in my case there can be only one HDMI cable to the display from the equipment console. Since the H/K didn't manifest this problem, I'd like to try & learn what the problem is before just giving up. The main drive for upgrading my AVR was for HDMI source switching.
post #4945 of 10468
The HDMI direct to TV configuration really is your best option, as even if it works correctly now, there's no guarantee that a future firmware update to the cable box won't cause problems (as DTV owners have learned). This is why many installers bypass the AVR right from the get go so that their customer doesn't have any future HDMI handshake problems to contend with. Going this route, you can use an HDMI switch.

Otherwise, give the tips suggested in the post below a try ....

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread#user_L11
post #4946 of 10468
Thanks to both Batpig and jdsmoothie. I'm going to pick up a blu-ray player.
post #4947 of 10468
Are there any major improvement between last year's models and this year's models? I see the differences listed in this thread, but I'm a bit more interested in sound quality and reliability instead of just features. As somebody who's Onkyo died an unexpected death and needs a cheap but quality replacement, would I be okay buying last year's model?
post #4948 of 10468
Here’s my set-up.

Roku or Apple TV HDMI out to Denon Media player in
Denon HDMI ARC out to TV HDMI ARC in

With above configuration, Denon manual page 8 says to use a Standard HDMI cable with Ethernet or High Speed HDMI cable with Ethernet. from the TV to the Denon or Denon to the TV
Now I have read 2 pieces of information I found on the net by reading about ARC which I was nor familiar with.

1-“However, with ARC- Audio Return Channel, you can simply take advantage of the HDMI you already have connected between the TV and the home theater receiver to transfer audio in both directions.” My question, does that imply that any HDMI cable will do?

2-“Although ARC has its purpose it was not intended for those using a surround sound system. The TC-P50GT30 does have a Digital Audio out and if one was determined to have the HDMI's connected directly to the TV then that is what needs to be used to audio out to the AV receiver. I get a lot of clients that think that hooking the HDMI's directly to the TV is better than going through the AV receiver and it is not true with a GOOD AV receiver.” Not intended for Surround sound use? Now, I’m confused. Denon says it ok.

So should use the ARC feature of the TV be used to return audio from the Roku/Apple TV or use the coaxial output from the TV to the 2113? Can you explain why so I understand all this.

Newbie here
Edited by carl333 - 1/21/13 at 9:43am
post #4949 of 10468
I spent the weekend scouring the Audyssey 101/FAQ/Setup Guide. After much trial and tribulation, I finally figured out how to get Audyssey to read my sub at under -3. I got it to -1.5, but my bass on music and some movie clips was very low. I realized from the Audyssey 101/FAQ/Setup Guide, that you need to turn the volume up to reference level. I must admit, the imaging and surround balance is excellent especially listening to the Chris Botti Concert. Here are my questions.

1. What would reference volume be on a 1613. I've had it set at 68 to 72, but I'm not sure if that is the right level.

2. Do most Denon owners keep their sub at the Audyssey level or do you like a little hotter?

3. If you do turn your sub up, the Audyssey guide says to turn it up through the AVR, how much do you turn your sub up?
post #4950 of 10468
^^
You don't "need" to turn the volume up to "reference" level which is either 80 or 0db depending on which volume scale is selected with the 0-98 scale being the factory default. However, as the average owner likely never raises the volume much above 20db below reference level (ie. 60 or -20db) Audyssey Dynamic EQ will boost the bass/surround audio at levels below reference level such that reference level volume is not required to get the impact intended by the mixer. If after adjusting to this new sub setting for a few weeks, you still prefer the sub to be boosted higher, then set the "Subwoofer Level" setting (p. 83 OM) up a few db higher (eg. from -1.5db to +4db) or whatever level you prefer.
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