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post #5011 of 8299
1/22/13 at 4:06pm
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Glad to help smile.gif The 2313 and 3313 sounded literally identical in my testing, again this was with some very nice speakers and high quality source material to demo.
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post #5012 of 8299
1/22/13 at 5:17pm
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Thought I might need the 3313 for the pre-outs but that hasn't been the case, especially with a powered SVS sub in the system.
I was still wondering if the 3313 would have been better though..... rolleyes.gif

The only reason why I went for the 3313 vs the others is for the zone 2 HDMI. In effect, it lets me share my HDMI sources (AppleTV, HTPC, Cable box, etc... ) between my bedroom and living room.
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post #5013 of 8299
1/22/13 at 5:35pm
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I have a question about the 2113's Bi-Amping ability.

The 2113 I got gives you many options how to use the last 2 speakers in a 7.1 setup. Zone 2, next to your Fronts (Fronts B), above your fronts (Front Height), Surround Back, and Bi-Amp.

Does setting it to Bi-Amp then split the Fronts to Woofer and Tweeter on the Crossover section of the options menu? Because if not, then surly the same data will still be being sent to both the woofer and the tweeter, the woofer will still try to play the high notes, and the tweeter will still try to play the low notes.

Not that it matters, as my TSI-100's aren't Bi-ampable. (yet monitor 30's are?)

The "bi-amp" setting simply sends the same signal to each set of speaker posts and the speaker then does then enables the same crossover it would with a single wired connection.
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post #5014 of 8299
1/22/13 at 5:40pm
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Tks JD for your response. re 3. Your response makes so much sense now that I think of it. If the HDMI from my media player Roku is going to the 2113, then I should get sound and video from the 2113. What happened when I did the install as such, I wasn't getting audio from the roku when I accessed media player from the remote. That started me to look for other solutions ie. ARC from the TV to the 2113 or digital output from the TV to the 2113. From what I have recently learned, I should forget about all this and work on getting audio from my Roku from the 2113 rather than the TV. Is this correct and if so, why would I not be getting audio and only video? Input assign needs tweaking?

Sorry, really not good as interfacing all my components at best standard practice as you can see.

Yes, correct. Try connecting the Roku to each of the other HDMI inputs.
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post #5015 of 8299
1/22/13 at 9:59pm
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The only reason why I went for the 3313 vs the others is for the zone 2 HDMI. In effect, it lets me share my HDMI sources (AppleTV, HTPC, Cable box, etc... ) between my bedroom and living room.

Hey don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not knocking the 3313. The 2313 was marked down to a hard to pass up price and it has met my needs.....
But I would still rather have the 3313 sitting on my shelf! cool.gif
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1/23/13 at 5:17am
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Originally Posted by Indiana627 View Post

I'm thinking of getting a USB powered cooling fan from Coolerguys and was going to plug it into the front panel USB on my 2313. Is that port only active when the receiver is on? I only want the fans running when the receiver is on. Thanks.
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Yes, the USB port is only active when the receiver is on.

I got my Coolerguys USB powered fans this week and plugged it into the front panel USB port on my 2313 and they turned on. Unfortunately when I turned off the 2313, the fans were still running, so apparently the USB port is active even when the AVR is off. I looked through the on screen menus and didn't see any mention of USB (nor did I really expect to), but is there anyway to have the USB port active only when the AVR is on? I see no need to have the fans running 24/7 when the AVR is only on for 4-5 hours on weeknights and 7-8 hours on weekends. Thanks.
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1/23/13 at 5:24am
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Originally Posted by jdvoracek View Post

As others have posted, all your devices need to be on the same subnet. The Comcast single ethernet port and the Comcast wireless are on one subnet, and the Dlink ethernet ports and wireless are on ANOTHER subnet. There are many ways to solve this. One would be to connect your devices wirelessly only to the Dlink and the AVR to the Dlink as you are doing. If you have the ethernet cabling in place, another would be to get rid of the Dlink, connect the AVR to the single ethernet port on your Comcast, and continue to wireless connect to the Comcast. There are other ways too...

I pulled the Dlink and now the AVR is connected directly to the Comcast ethernet port. Still no luck with Airplay or streaming from Media Player. I do now however, see the Denon within my PC's Media player devices tab but cannot play to the AVR connected speakers. Iphone only shows the airplay icon when a BT device is powered and in range, (no Denon listed). Does the AVR need to be set on a specific source, should I see Airplay along with the other Network service icons like Pandora/Internet Radio which are both working well?
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1/23/13 at 7:34am
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I got my Coolerguys USB powered fans this week and plugged it into the front panel USB port on my 2313 and they turned on. Unfortunately when I turned off the 2313, the fans were still running, so apparently the USB port is active even when the AVR is off. I looked through the on screen menus and didn't see any mention of USB (nor did I really expect to), but is there anyway to have the USB port active only when the AVR is on? I see no need to have the fans running 24/7 when the AVR is only on for 4-5 hours on weeknights and 7-8 hours on weekends. Thanks.

You could try using a small powered USB hub. I just did a quick look on Amazon and there are several listed. Some had only 4 ports, their own wall plug and looked small enough
you could conceal them out of sight. You could possibly plug the USB power plug into something like a surge/power filter that has switched and unswitched outlets. The switched
outlets will turn off when the bank is turned off. I have a Monster HTS-5000 that does that function.
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post #5019 of 8299
1/23/13 at 7:48am
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I pulled the Dlink and now the AVR is connected directly to the Comcast ethernet port.

You're getting closer. What model is your Comcast modem/router? I want to check something in the manual.
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1/23/13 at 9:23am
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You're getting closer. What model is your Comcast modem/router? I want to check something in the manual.

SMC Networks
SMCD3GNV
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post #5021 of 8299
1/23/13 at 9:49am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

A little story about sound quality...
awesome write-up.

I bet if someone else walked into the joint and started talking with you they probably wouldn't have noticed that you didn't work there... you could have even made a sale.

Now I just need some $$$ speakers and I'll be good to go... cool.gif
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1/23/13 at 10:10am
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You could try using a small powered USB hub. I just did a quick look on Amazon and there are several listed. Some had only 4 ports, their own wall plug and looked small enough
you could conceal them out of sight. You could possibly plug the USB power plug into something like a surge/power filter that has switched and unswitched outlets. The switched
outlets will turn off when the bank is turned off. I have a Monster HTS-5000 that does that function.

Right now all my gear is plugged into a UPS and there are no more open plugs. Besides none of the plugs are controlled by any of the other plugs. Having the 2313's USB port turn the fans on/off was a perfect (and cheap) solution. Now short of plugging and unplugging the fans all the time, I'm not sure what to do. I could look into a newer power strip like you mentioned, but that means 2 more purchases (power strip and powered USB hub.)
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post #5023 of 8299
1/23/13 at 10:54am
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Originally Posted by Indiana627 View Post

Right now all my gear is plugged into a UPS and there are no more open plugs. Besides none of the plugs are controlled by any of the other plugs. Having the 2313's USB port turn the fans on/off was a perfect (and cheap) solution. Now short of plugging and unplugging the fans all the time, I'm not sure what to do. I could look into a newer power strip like you mentioned, but that means 2 more purchases (power strip and powered USB hub.)

I can understand that. I was just trying to think of a way to make that situation work. Occasionally I see some of the those things listed on ebay for good prices if you go that route.
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1/23/13 at 10:55am
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Originally Posted by Indiana627 View Post

I'm thinking of getting a USB powered cooling fan from Coolerguys and was going to plug it into the front panel USB on my 2313. Is that port only active when the receiver is on? I only want the fans running when the receiver is on. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Yes, the USB port is only active when the receiver is on.

I got my Coolerguys USB powered fans this week and plugged it into the front panel USB port on my 2313 and they turned on. Unfortunately when I turned off the 2313, the fans were still running, so apparently the USB port is active even when the AVR is off. I looked through the on screen menus and didn't see any mention of USB (nor did I really expect to), but is there anyway to have the USB port active only when the AVR is on? I see no need to have the fans running 24/7 when the AVR is only on for 4-5 hours on weeknights and 7-8 hours on weekends. Thanks.

Interesting, do you have HDMI Control on? On older models that still had switched outlets there was an issue that the outlets wouldn't switch off when the receiver powered down because the HDMI circuitry was still active and the voltage draw on the receiver was too high. I wonder if the same thing is happening here.

Another possibility is network standby being active, the USB and network inputs are conjoined so maybe having IP control active in standby keeps the USB port powered on.

EDIT: I just tested this by plugging in my iPhone into the front USB port of my 2113. It's the IP Control setting. When set to "always on" the iPhone charges even when the receiver is in standby. When i switched it off, the iPhone doesn't charge with the receiver in standby. I do not use HDMI control.
Edited by batpig - 1/23/13 at 11:00am
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1/23/13 at 11:19am
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Originally Posted by nobones 
I do now however, see the Denon within my PC's Media player devices tab but cannot play to the AVR connected speakers. Iphone only shows the airplay icon when a BT device is powered and in range, (no Denon listed). Does the AVR need to be set on a specific source, should I see Airplay along with the other Network service icons like Pandora/Internet Radio which are both working well?

SMC Networks SMCD3GNV

Silly me: why I thought I would be able to find a manual to download I don't know. http://www.smc.com/files/AX/SMCD3GNVFeatureSheet.pdf certainly implies this should all work fine - see the picture at the brochure's end.

I don't think you can play to the AVR connected speakers from your PC Media Player like you can AirPlay from an IOS device (Mac, iPhone, etc.). You should be able to select Network on the AVR, then select Media (I'm at work and don't remember the exact wording), and then select your PC. Then you should be able to play media that is on your PC, but you control what plays from the AVR end. Remember you need to allow other network devices to have access to your PC media. That is usually done in the PC Network folder.

To use AirPlay from your iPhone, you should be able to select the AVR. If you don't see it, I am a bit puzzled.



You don't have to do anything to the AVR. With the default settings, it can even be powered off, and it will turn itself on. Sorry you're having trouble. It sure works neat when it does.
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post #5026 of 8299
1/23/13 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Interesting, do you have HDMI Control on? On older models that still had switched outlets there was an issue that the outlets wouldn't switch off when the receiver powered down because the HDMI circuitry was still active and the voltage draw on the receiver was too high. I wonder if the same thing is happening here.

Another possibility is network standby being active, the USB and network inputs are conjoined so maybe having IP control active in standby keeps the USB port powered on.

EDIT: I just tested this by plugging in my iPhone into the front USB port of my 2113. It's the IP Control setting. When set to "always on" the iPhone charges even when the receiver is in standby. When i switched it off, the iPhone doesn't charge with the receiver in standby. I do not use HDMI control.
Yes I do have HDMI control on so that when my TV turns on/off so does the 2313. I don't really want to change that but could if I had to.

For the IP Control setting, what other options is there besides "always on?" What would I lose by changing it to something different?

Thanks for giving me hope that I can still get the fans working like I want to.
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post #5027 of 8299
1/23/13 at 12:28pm
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Originally Posted by jdvoracek View Post

You don't have to do anything to the AVR. With the default settings, it can even be powered off, and it will turn itself on. Sorry you're having trouble. It sure works neat when it does.

OK thanks. I'll get there in time, tough to find that when the Family is hording the setup. I need to 2x check that I have the remote app on the iphone. And then also check firewall settings on the PC. Thanks again for the advice. Wehn I get there it will be sweet, I'm really digging the receiver/speakers and I've only just scratched the surface.
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1/23/13 at 12:29pm
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Originally Posted by Indiana627 
Yes I do have HDMI control on so that when my TV turns on/off so does the 2313. I don't really want to change that but could if I had to.

For the IP Control setting, what other options is there besides "always on?" What would I lose by changing it to something different?

I think the HDMI control is a really neat feature too, but I don't think you have to change it.

If you set IP Control off with power off, you would lose the ability to have AirPlay turn the AVR on. When you use AirPlay from your IOS device, you would need to power the AVR on first, then select AirPlay. You wouldn't be able to turn the AVR on using the Denon IOS app either (or an Android app assuming there is one). That's all I can think of, but there may be more...
Edited by jdvoracek - 1/23/13 at 12:35pm
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post #5029 of 8299
1/23/13 at 12:38pm
New to the forum, thanks everyone for all the great info.

I'm unable to get the ARC to work.
Equipment:

TCL55E50 Panasonic TV
Denon 2313 Cl
Cable Box

The Denon HDMI Monitor 1 is connected to the Panasonic's HDMI (ARC) 2 input.

I would like to run Netflix on the TV and have the audio come through the AVR. The picture will play, but no audio is heard.
I've tried a bunch of settings, currently the AVR video/hdmi settings are
hdmi control on, standby source last, control monitor 1

thanks for any information!
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post #5030 of 8299
1/23/13 at 12:52pm
can someone please tell me the name of the feature that allows your audio to pass through to your tv speakers if you do not want your 5.1 on or if your avr is off???? thanks for the help.
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1/23/13 at 1:04pm
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New to the forum, thanks everyone for all the great info. I'm unable to get the ARC to work. The Denon HDMI Monitor 1 is connected to the Panasonic's HDMI (ARC) 2 input. I would like to run Netflix on the TV and have the audio come through the AVR. The picture will play, but no audio is heard.

See batpig's answer
Edited by jdvoracek - 1/23/13 at 4:04pm
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1/23/13 at 2:38pm
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I think the HDMI control is a really neat feature too, but I don't think you have to change it.

If you set IP Control off with power off, you would lose the ability to have AirPlay turn the AVR on. When you use AirPlay from your IOS device, you would need to power the AVR on first, then select AirPlay. You wouldn't be able to turn the AVR on using the Denon IOS app either (or an Android app assuming there is one). That's all I can think of, but there may be more...

You will also lose the web control while the AVR is in standby - no big deal if you ask me.
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1/23/13 at 3:01pm
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Originally Posted by jfeva0049 View Post

can someone please tell me the name of the feature that allows your audio to pass through to your tv speakers if you do not want your 5.1 on or if your avr is off???? thanks for the help.

This is known as "Standby Pass-through". You activate it by going to Video > HDMI Settings, turning HDMI control on and then designating the "Standby Source" to pass through.
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1/23/13 at 3:33pm
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Originally Posted by blind99 View Post

New to the forum, thanks everyone for all the great info.

I'm unable to get the ARC to work.
Equipment:

TCL55E50 Panasonic TV
Denon 2313 Cl
Cable Box

The Denon HDMI Monitor 1 is connected to the Panasonic's HDMI (ARC) 2 input.

I would like to run Netflix on the TV and have the audio come through the AVR. The picture will play, but no audio is heard.
I've tried a bunch of settings, currently the AVR video/hdmi settings are
hdmi control on, standby source last, control monitor 1

thanks for any information!

On the receiver side, the only thing that you need to do to get ARC working is have HDMI Control enabled and then tune to the "TV Audio" source. And of course in the case of 2313 or 3313 with more than one HDMI output, you need to make sure the Control Monitor is the HDMI output you are using to the TV. Sounds like you have done all this already.

After that, the receiver is ready to accept an audio stream and everything else is on the TV side. Make sure that VieraLink is on and that the audio setting in the TV is set to "External Speakers" or "Home Theater" or whatever they call it.
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1/23/13 at 4:39pm
Avr 2313-Perhaps I'm missing something but I would like to think there is a way to play audio from airplay via iPad in main zone 1, while sourcing video only to tv of course via hdmi. I have a htpc and at times would like to let music play from iphone/ipad while surfing the web etc on htpc. Any help here would be appreciated
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1/23/13 at 4:48pm
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You aren't missing anything unfortunately; there is no way to "mix" a network stream with another video source. If this is a high priority, the best option may be to make a direct video connection from the HTPC to the display, thus dissociating the video path from the receiver for that source.

EDIT: 20,000th post! biggrin.gif
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1/23/13 at 5:04pm
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Right now all my gear is plugged into a UPS and there are no more open plugs. Besides none of the plugs are controlled by any of the other plugs. Having the 2313's USB port turn the fans on/off was a perfect (and cheap) solution. Now short of plugging and unplugging the fans all the time, I'm not sure what to do. I could look into a newer power strip like you mentioned, but that means 2 more purchases (power strip and powered USB hub.)

If you really think about it, you don't want the fan on only when the AVR is on. You want the fan on when the AVR is hot enough to need the fan. This will be sometime after the AVR is switched on until sometime after the AVR is switched off.

What if you can find a temperature-controlled switch? I don't know of one off-hand, but perhaps you could start 'googling' for one. Then you could have the fans turn on when they're needed and turn off when they're not - regardless of when the AVR is switched on.

In fact, why not use a regular thermostat? The old-fashioned mercury switch type are manually adjustable and have simple open/closed contacts you could use to power a relay of any sort you want.

Have a look at this: http://www.mtmscientific.com/tempkit.html
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1/23/13 at 5:23pm
Well my tv is 30 feet from the reciever and I I can't so easily run another cable to it. Obviously, the htpc is necessary to be hooked to the avr for movie playback, etc. and with only one hdmi thru wall to moniter, I rely heavily the hdmi switching capability of the avr. There must be a way! Most times this wont be huge issue, but I would certainly like to have something on the tv screen even if I'm listening to music sometimes. I would definitely expect the hdmi to pass video to moniter and just keep the volume down and source my audio! Call me crazy, but I wouldn't have even thought this would be an issue.
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1/23/13 at 6:27pm
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Well my tv is 30 feet from the reciever and I I can't so easily run another cable to it. Obviously, the htpc is necessary to be hooked to the avr for movie playback, etc. and with only one hdmi thru wall to moniter, I rely heavily the hdmi switching capability of the avr. There must be a way! Most times this wont be huge issue, but I would certainly like to have something on the tv screen even if I'm listening to music sometimes. I would definitely expect the hdmi to pass video to moniter and just keep the volume down and source my audio! Call me crazy, but I wouldn't have even thought this would be an issue.

Well in desperate attempt, I did find a way to make a easy workaround for anyone with a same issue. Installing xbmc on my htpc with the newest version now includes airplay! So as long as my htpc is running , I can direct airplay from my I device to xbmc in lieu of the avr.

Thanks for the help as well guys, there is great knowledge on this site!
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1/23/13 at 7:27pm
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but I wouldn't have even thought this would be an issue.
Would be no issue if you were using the 3313. Although as you don't want to use a second HDMI cable a switch would have to be added.
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