The **OFFICIAL** Denon AVR-XX13 Model Owner's Thread & FAQ - Page 169

Originally Posted by batpig 

Interesting, do you have HDMI Control on? On older models that still had switched outlets there was an issue that the outlets wouldn't switch off when the receiver powered down because the HDMI circuitry was still active and the voltage draw on the receiver was too high. I wonder if the same thing is happening here.

Another possibility is network standby being active, the USB and network inputs are conjoined so maybe having IP control active in standby keeps the USB port powered on.

EDIT: I just tested this by plugging in my iPhone into the front USB port of my 2113. It's the IP Control setting. When set to "always on" the iPhone charges even when the receiver is in standby. When i switched it off, the iPhone doesn't charge with the receiver in standby. I do not use HDMI control.

Originally Posted by MarkEHansen 

If you really think about it, you don't want the fan on only when the AVR is on. You want the fan on when the AVR is hot enough to need the fan. This will be sometime after the AVR is switched on until sometime after the AVR is switched off.

What if you can find a temperature-controlled switch?

On the receiver side, the only thing that you need to do to get ARC working is have HDMI Control enabled and then tune to the "TV Audio" source. And of course in the case of 2313 or 3313 with more than one HDMI output, you need to make sure the Control Monitor is the HDMI output you are using to the TV. Sounds like you have done all this already.

After that, the receiver is ready to accept an audio stream and everything else is on the TV side. Make sure that VieraLink is on and that the audio setting in the TV is set to "External Speakers" or "Home Theater" or whatever they call it.

Originally Posted by blind99 

I've tried this, and still no luck. I spoke with an AV installer, who tells me the ARC function is hit or miss, and unpredictable -- he recommended using the digital audio output from the TV. Or getting a Blue Ray player to serve up the Netflix.

Is anyone else using ARC?

Originally Posted by mpovolo 

I seem to have an HDMI pass through issue with a new Samsung TV. I have CEC turned on and the Samsung switched to internal speakers, this way my receiver only turns on when I want to use surround. When I turn on the TV, the cable service is running, for about 5 seconds. Then I get an error stating no signal. To fix it, turn on the AVR, cable signal starts, turn off the AVR, all good. This is consistent every time I turn on the TV.

Any thoughts on what to check, I have my STB connected through the SAT/CATV HDMI port on the 1913.
In the CEC settings, I have HDMI source set to last source.

thanks all

Originally Posted by Alan P 

PHANTOM CENTER

I thought I'd experiment with a phantom center channel with my 2113, but when I go into speaker config and set the center to "none" it doesn't seem to give me much of a phantom center. Anyone using phantom have any tips? Do I need to re-run Audyssey to get the phantom to work right? Could be my FL/R speaker placement, but wanted to make sure I'm setting up the AVR correctly before moving things around.

Originally Posted by batpig 

There is nothing to set up on the AVR besides turning the center channel off (setting it "none"). That will redirect all center channel content to the main speakers. There is no special processing involved in a "phantom center", it's simply the ability of the FR/FL main speakers to image properly, the foundation for stereo music reproduction.

Are your speakers toed in? This will greatly impact their ability to image properly and make it feel like the in-phase content is truly coming fro the "center". Also, a phantom center only really works perfectly if you are sitting in the sweet spot; the further off-axis you are the more the effect breaks down because you are closer to one or the other of the FR/FL mains.

Originally Posted by batpig 

This was just discussed a few posts back: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1409431/the-official-denon-avr-xx13-model-owners-thread-faq/5010#post_22870030

Originally Posted by batpig 

The only Denon models with pre-outs are the 33xx models and above. So maybe a 3312 refurb from last year? That would be cheaper than a new 3313. Marantz models have FR/FL pre-outs at a lower price point, so that might be another option.

If you don't care about Audyssey then you might be able to find a cheaper option with pre-outs from another brand. I believe Yamaha and HK both offer pre-outs at lower levels than Denon.

Originally Posted by batpig 

As noted in the first post of this thread, Denon reduced the chassis depth for all models 21xx and below by about 2 inches. I think this is less of a sign of reduced build quality and more of a gesture to marketing, where most people buying entry-level type gear like things to be smaller to fit their TV consoles.

Looking at the specs the 1613 weighs about 2.5lbs less than the 1612 -- I imagine a good bit of that is the reduction in the chassis size (looks like it's also about 1/2 inch shorter in addition to being 2 inches shallower).

The rest of it is probably a few ounces here and there due to less legacy connectivity; for example, the 1613 (compared to the 1612) has removed one RCA analog audio input from the rear, the RCA composite AUX input from the front panel, the SB/FH pre-outs for expanding to 7ch, the single S-Video input and the iPod "Dock Control" port, and the AM radio hardware. Counteracting that is the addition of the ethernet port and a front-panel HDMI port, but the losses are much more than the gains in terms of weight savings.

I wouldn't expect any actual difference in "real world" build quality or amp power. The amp specs are identical with both models. And IMO the addition of networking more than makes up for any minor losses of legacy connections noted above.

Originally Posted by batpig 

The standby passthrough feature should pass through video AND audio together -- it turns the receiver into a passive HDMI repeater that will pass through the designated HDMI input to the display. In theory, it should be like the receiver isn't even there, e.g. as though the cable box were connected directly to the TV.