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CORRECTION: Speakers are HELOS 10 (center and rear) and 100 (front) and sub is DYNAMO 700. Question same, thanks!

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Question regarding AVR-3313ci manual test tone.
Is this setup as -30db tone?
I want to use the manual tone to setup sub gains before running Audyssey.

More detailed questions are in THIS THREAD
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Thread Starter 
^^^^ @ arthurpjohnson -

Have you read the first posts of this thread? If you did, you would know the correct answer is "neither", it's the 1713!
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ceh383 View Post

Question regarding AVR-3313ci manual test tone.
Is this setup as -30db tone?
I want to use the manual tone to setup sub gains before running Audyssey.

More detailed questions are in THIS THREAD

yes, internal test tones are -30dbfs (i.e. 75dB calibrated).
post #5075 of 10468
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

yes, internal test tones are -30dbfs (i.e. 75dB calibrated).

Thank you very much sir....
post #5076 of 10468
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Modern Denons still have A/B speakers options but it's no longer accessible with a simple button on the front of the unit or remote. You have to dig into the menus to activate it; the intended application is really for those who have a separate "dedicated 2ch" setup that is independent from the main multich setup, so you can switch between your multich rig and the "B" rig. It's a little harder to get the type of switching you are describing unless you have a Harmony or other programmable universal which can access the remote command.

More likely you will want to use the Zone 2 capabilities, which allow fully independent power, source and volume control. You can read more about this and its limitations here: http://batpigworld.com/wp/?p=160

Out of curiosity, since you only have one speaker in each spot, did you have some way to make the output mono? Or were you just putting half of the stereo feed in each room? If you are interested in mono output, then it's probably worth stepping up to the 2313, which allows you to select Zone 2 output as stereo or mono; this would allow you play an identical mono downmix in both rooms.

Well ifs mainly for music that i want to fill the entire living room with it. With my old yamaha it choose 5ch stereo plus i press a and b button and all thecmusic comes out of my 5.1 plus the two other speakers who are hooked on b.

So basically when i watch tv and movies i use the 5.1 setup and music i use 5.1 plus the two other speakers. Thats still possible with the denon 2113? I dont fully understand that zone 2 thing. Does that mean i can listen to a movie on zone 1 and radio on zone 2? But i can also listen to radio on zone 1 and zone 2 at the same time? (with the 2 speakers)

Thanks
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Modern Denons still have A/B speakers options but it's no longer accessible with a simple button on the front of the unit or remote. You have to dig into the menus to activate it; the intended application is really for those who have a separate "dedicated 2ch" setup that is independent from the main multich setup, so you can switch between your multich rig and the "B" rig. It's a little harder to get the type of switching you are describing unless you have a Harmony or other programmable universal which can access the remote command.

More likely you will want to use the Zone 2 capabilities, which allow fully independent power, source and volume control. You can read more about this and its limitations here: http://batpigworld.com/wp/?p=160

Out of curiosity, since you only have one speaker in each spot, did you have some way to make the output mono? Or were you just putting half of the stereo feed in each room? If you are interested in mono output, then it's probably worth stepping up to the 2313, which allows you to select Zone 2 output as stereo or mono; this would allow you play an identical mono downmix in both rooms.

Yes but can i enable all the speakers ( 5.1 and the 2 other) when i want to listen to music and disable the 2 when i want to listen to a movie ( using 5.1)?
post #5078 of 10468
Yes but can i use the 2 speakers at the same time as the 5.1 when i want to listen to music and disable them when i only want 5.1? Like with the old yamaha receiver (a and b buttons)?
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Hi all,

I just hooked up a new center channel speaker to my Denon 1713 and ran Audyssey MultEQ XT, and while the center sounds very clear (much sharper and nicer than my last center), dialogue seems very localized (not blending well, distinctly coming from the speaker instead of being part of the sound stage)...

but more to the point, it's sounding a little boxy. Could this be because I haven't set an appropriate crossover point?

Speaker is about $300 so quality should be good when properly set up. I've also heard this model of speaker in someone else's setup, and it sounded better.

Any input appreciated!

Chris
post #5080 of 10468
The dialogue should be localized as 85%+ of it is sent to just the center speaker. If after running Audyssey the center speaker crossover was set below 80Hz, then raise it up to 80Hz, otherwise, leave it as set by the 1713.
post #5081 of 10468
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Originally Posted by SPiET View Post

Yes but can i use the 2 speakers at the same time as the 5.1 when i want to listen to music and disable them when i only want 5.1? Like with the old yamaha receiver (a and b buttons)?

Yes, by simply using the remote to turn Zone 2 ON/OFF with the following Zone 2 source limitations ....

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_M
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Originally Posted by npgatech View Post

Hi All,

First post smile.gif I currently own 2112CI model from last year. I have recently acquired 2 monoblock amplifiers (135watts each) and was trying to fiddle around with the 2112CI for pre-outs (Zone 2). After a couple of hours, no joy. The manual clearly says that Zone 2 pre-outs only pass analog signals (bastards!) So, I can't use my Apple TV or PS3 with Zone 2 pre-outs.

Now, the 2112CI is on Craigslist for a new home. I am back in the market for another receiver...infact, I just need a pre-amp with HDMI inputs but they're exceeding hard to find and pretty pricey. Seems like I am just going to get a receiver and use pre-outs.

I have a request from all the pros in this forum thread. What is a good model to go with if I want the following:

- HDMI 1.4 with 3D switching
- Strip HDMI audio and pass through the pre-outs (just need 2.1, but 7.1 couldn't hurt)
- Need a volume control for the pre-outs. My monoblocks have no volume control...so I cannot use line-level pre-out signal in interest of saving my ears/speakers.
- I don't need Audessey or any of the DSP really...

Even an older xx12 would work :-) I am also looking at the Harman Kardon 3600 which has 7.1 pre-outs...not sure if they are line-level or variable volume.

Thank you!

The Marantz models all have at a minimum 2.1 pre-outs (1403 and 1603) with a full 7.1 set starting with the 5007.
post #5083 of 10468
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Originally Posted by superhq View Post

Hey guys. I just got 1713 after returning Yamaha rxv673. I can't figure out how to set the 1713 that if i don't want the AV on, but want to watch TV , it still passes the signal through (it was possible with Yamaha).If it is not possible with this unit, i might return it. I red the manual but couldn't find any info on this. Can someone give me any hint? Thanks in advance.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_E9
post #5084 of 10468
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Originally Posted by blind99 View Post

New to the forum, thanks everyone for all the great info.

I'm unable to get the ARC to work.
Equipment:

TCL55E50 Panasonic TV
Denon 2313 Cl
Cable Box

The Denon HDMI Monitor 1 is connected to the Panasonic's HDMI (ARC) 2 input.

I would like to run Netflix on the TV and have the audio come through the AVR. The picture will play, but no audio is heard.
I've tried a bunch of settings, currently the AVR video/hdmi settings are
hdmi control on, standby source last, control monitor 1

thanks for any information!

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_E5
post #5085 of 10468
jd,

i know dialogue should be localized, I'm just observing it sounds a little boxy with the new center speaker. Not muffled, but coming from a box instead of coming from space, for lack of a better way to put it. It may simply be because the center isn't the same brand as the fronts.
post #5086 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Yes, by simply using the remote to turn Zone 2 ON/OFF with the following Zone 2 source limitations ....

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_M

Ok thanks so it can be done , however i need to do it with TV on and going into the Denon menu through the remote control?
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Question regarding Denon AVR-1613. I bought mine from Amazon about three weeks ago. It appears to work fine most of the time. But twice since I have had it set up the following happens.

The AVR becomes completely non-responsive in the off position. If I go to turn it on, the red light is still on in the front (indicating that the unit is getting power) but the unit will not turn on either by remote or by pressing the button on the front. If I unplug and plug my AVR back in then both times this has happened it turns back on and starts operating normally.

Any ideas about what my problem might be? Should I try to return it and get a new unit?
post #5088 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Alan P View Post

They actually face into the room at a 45 degree angle - "corner horns". But, yeah, I'm gonna try spinning the top hats a bit and see how it goes.

Not even sure why I want to do this, I've got a very capable center channel. I was just reading a thread about phantom centers and how it can sound better than a dedicated center *in some situations* and wanted to give it a go. Will probably end up going back to the dedicated center, but if I can get my FL/FR imaging better in the process that'll be cool.

So, last night I messed around with trying to get phantom center to work. I got it to work - not sure if I like it, but that's another story...it's how I got there that's kind of worrying me:

I was messing around with FL/R toe-in and settings in the AVR to try and get the center to image in the center of my TV. The setting that finally did it was my crossover - I've had it set to 80hz for all speakers, but raising it to 120hz is what finally created the phantom. confused.gif This also made my entire system sound better; better imaging, better bass (esp. in the center channel/voices)...just an overall "smoothness" I didn't have before.

Now, what's worrying me is that my FL/R are rated to at least 40hz (Klipschorns) but they are almost 20 years old. I'm thinking there's something wrong with them, most likely culprits would be the bass drivers or crossovers - both fairly expensive to replace. frown.gif

Gonna do some FR measurements tonight to see if the bass is actually smoother or it's just my ears, but the imaging is definitely much better at 120hz. BTW, my subs are up front so even at 120hz, no localization issues.

I'm really happy my system is sounding even better than before, but I hate that my K-Horns aren't performing up to their potential! mad.gif
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Originally Posted by chrisinvan View Post

Hi all,

I just hooked up a new center channel speaker to my Denon 1713 and ran Audyssey MultEQ XT, and while the center sounds very clear (much sharper and nicer than my last center), dialogue seems very localized (not blending well, distinctly coming from the speaker instead of being part of the sound stage)...

but more to the point, it's sounding a little boxy. Could this be because I haven't set an appropriate crossover point?

Speaker is about $300 so quality should be good when properly set up. I've also heard this model of speaker in someone else's setup, and it sounded better.

Any input appreciated!

Chris

Chris - see my post directly above this one.

Not sure if this is the answer, but it sure helped my center to sound less "boxy".
post #5090 of 10468
Thanks JD, so if i understood correct, i can only watch (when AV is in stand by) the last source? So example if the AV is in stand by mode, and i am watching Cable/Sat, and than i decide to watch DVD, do i have to turn the AV on in order to change the source to DVD? With Yamaha i was able to change source input even when AV was off.
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Thread Starter 
You can designate either the LAST source used or a specific HDMI input to always be used as the standby source. You cannot switch sources which the AVR is off.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ProfD View Post

Question regarding Denon AVR-1613. I bought mine from Amazon about three weeks ago. It appears to work fine most of the time. But twice since I have had it set up the following happens.

The AVR becomes completely non-responsive in the off position. If I go to turn it on, the red light is still on in the front (indicating that the unit is getting power) but the unit will not turn on either by remote or by pressing the button on the front. If I unplug and plug my AVR back in then both times this has happened it turns back on and starts operating normally.

Any ideas about what my problem might be? Should I try to return it and get a new unit?

This has been reported a few times. Try a full microprocessor reset (note that this will erase all settings) and if the problem crops up again I might see about exchanging it.
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

You can designate either the LAST source used or a specific HDMI input to always be used as the standby source. You cannot switch sources which the AVR is off.
Got it, thanks. I might exchange this AV with Yamaha again.
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Question for you Denon experts.

Equipment:
Denon 2313ci
Samsung 6000 smart tv
Verizon Fios

Every once in a while we are watching TV and the screen changes then goes fuzzy. Message on the tv is signal low or lost. I have to reset the input on the tv to hdmi input from what looks like the "tv" input. It also happens when the system is powered on occasionally.

I am using the roomie remote and have added a command to set the input,on the hdmi input for the tv but it still does it.

Any ideas.?
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Thread Starter 
That symptom describes an HDMI failure -- the signal strength drops to a point where the connection is lost. This could be due to a number of factors.

Most likely is a cable issue: either a bad HDMI cable, or a good cable that is poorly seated (e.g. loose connection points or tension due to a cable bend near a connection point), or an HDMI cable that is too long for the signal strength. Less likely is a hardware malfunction (e.g. bad HDMI input / board) but the cable is the most likely culprit.
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

This has been reported a few times. Try a full microprocessor reset (note that this will erase all settings) and if the problem crops up again I might see about exchanging it.

Thank you. I called Denon and they suggested it could either be my power strip, or a problem within the power supply within unit. They recommended that I exchange it, which I did today, since I only had a 30 day exchange window from Amazon that was ticking down.
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Yes, by simply using the remote to turn Zone 2 ON/OFF with the following Zone 2 source limitations ....

Is it easy then? I can access it all through the remote? No need for an universal one?
post #5098 of 10468
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Originally Posted by SPiET View Post

Ok thanks so it can be done , however i need to do it with TV on and going into the Denon menu through the remote control?

Nope. Simply select Zone 2 and On/Off on the remote.






From p. 92 in the Owner's manual ....


post #5099 of 10468
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

That symptom describes an HDMI failure -- the signal strength drops to a point where the connection is lost. This could be due to a number of factors.

Most likely is a cable issue: either a bad HDMI cable, or a good cable that is poorly seated (e.g. loose connection points or tension due to a cable bend near a connection point), or an HDMI cable that is too long for the signal strength. Less likely is a hardware malfunction (e.g. bad HDMI input / board) but the cable is the most likely culprit.

Thanks for the idea. I thought of this as well being I had everything hooked up without any problems before I ran the cable under the house. I need a longer cable anyway.

I need a 50 foot cable to make it from the tv to the Avr with a couple of feet on each end to spare so it's not tight. What brand name cable would be good for this application? Also, the cable will be run from the av closet, through the floor, though the crawl space, then back up through the floor to the tv. Would temperature affect anything with the cable?
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Thread Starter 
A 50 ft cable definitely explains it. I don't think brand matters so much, just make sure it's CL2 rated for in wall installation so the jacket won't corrode. But that said, there is a good chance you will need to add a signal booster to get reliable performance at that distance.
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