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post #5161 of 7905
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Originally Posted by Saliss View Post

For Airplay to work you need to be on the "same broadcast network domain" or simply put you need to be physically connected to the same switch/ Wireless AP. This is the limitation of the Apple's Bonjour Service, which is required for Apple network devices to find each other for services such as Airplay or Airprint. You can independently connect to internet and even your DLNA services will be running through Network but not Airplay if there is any issue with network broadcast domain.

Firstly, you need to ensure if your iOS device can discover Airplay service broadcast by Denon. For this download any Bonjour Browser App from App store and see if you can find Denon on it (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/discovery-bonjour-browser/id305441017?mt=8)

If it is not then in that case you need to do network troubleshooting rather do any setting on Denon. What Wi-fi device(s) are you using? there are certain settings on particular Wi-fi devices that are enabled by default and can interfere with Bonjour Service.

Saliss, thanks for the info. I've downloaded the app and only see the Apple TV and Macbook Pro (itunes library). So I understand that I need to adjust network settings. I'm currently using the ATV & multiple mobile devices (laptop/iphone/etc) on the wireless signal being sent out by the Actiontech MI424-WR. I also have the Western Digital LiveWires connected and feeding network capability to the PS3 and Denon receiver. I wonder if the LiveWire is where the problem lies?

Any suggestions?
post #5162 of 7905
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Originally Posted by highyellow1 View Post

Saliss, thanks for the info. I've downloaded the app and only see the Apple TV and Macbook Pro (itunes library). So I understand that I need to adjust network settings. I'm currently using the ATV & multiple mobile devices (laptop/iphone/etc) on the wireless signal being sent out by the Actiontech MI424-WR. I also have the Western Digital LiveWires connected and feeding network capability to the PS3 and Denon receiver. I wonder if the LiveWire is where the problem lies?

Any suggestions?

WD LiveWires seems to be the culprit as it does have its own Network Broadcast domain. Each Layer-2 Network Switch will have its own Network Broadcast Domain unless you get an expensive Layer-3 Network switch and create a VLAN.

I would suggest that you first directly hook up a network cable between Actiontech MI424-WR and Denon then run the app again to see if you can see Denon AVR in it just to ensure that there in that particular device that may create a further issue as some Wireless devices do create separate Broadcast domain for its Wireless and wired connections. You can take out the AVR and bring it near to the MI424-WR and use a small network patch-cord to test this out.

If you can see the Denon AVR in the app then in that case you know the solution. You need to run a network wire from your access point to the place where you want your DVR placed, which I believed you avoided earlier by getting WD LiveWires.
Edited by Saliss - 1/31/13 at 1:41am
post #5163 of 7905
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Originally Posted by BBrix View Post

My components are the same as yours (phone is iPhone in case that matters). The Denon app will only play one song at a time, which means the app needs to be running to load successive songs; i.e., if you start playing an album, it will stop after playing after it finishes the song it was playing when you turned off the app. In this mode, it appears that the receiver is only capable of receiving a command to load a single song, after which it can work on its own until the song ends. At that point it needs another command from the external control.

In the DLNA world, you can involve a third component (DLNA control point) to direct streaming from your server (Serviio) to the render (Denon). I tried a few of the free apps without a lot of luck, though the focus was on playing albums as a playlist is something I would typically load when entertaining and was fine standing in front of the TV loading this via the IR remote.

As a quick experiment, I tried a playlist with Twonky Beam. It did not run the playlist directly, put allowed you to load the songs into its queue. After that, I turned off the phone (without running anything else on it), and the songs played to completion. My knowledge about running apps in the background or while the phone screen is off is limited, so I do not know how stable this solution would be. The App is free for both iOS and Android, so it would only cost time to try.

Thanks for your help and Control Point recommendation!

I downloaded the app on both iOS and Android devices. The app shows 2 Denon AVR 3313 entries and none of them seems to work. When I did a complete power recycle of the AVR it just played the first note of the first song and got disconnected.

Note that the Direct Denon to Serviio operation is working ok i.e.; playing 1 song at a time from Serviio as before and Twonky Beam is also seems to be working well when I play any content from Serviio to another DLNA Renderer (Samsung ES7500 series TV) .

Any ideas?
post #5164 of 7905
Ive just got a 2113,this is my first receiver and have got it set up fine however i am having a problem with gettin dts hd ma with my blurays. So far I have only tried the dark knight rises, lawless and dredd. Dredd shows in the display dts hd ma no problem, the other two however are only showing dts. I tried a few things before i left for work and am pretty stumped as to what to do. I went into my bluray audio settings and it is set to bitstream. I popped in lawless got to the title screen went into audio and the 2 options are dts hd ma and 2 channel audio description. Played the film, 2113 shows dts. Held the film button for 3 seconds to pull up the audio options and it is set to dolby digital surround. No option for dts hd. I then checked the audio settings on the bluray player and it shows the master track as being dts hd master audio.
Popped in dredd got to title screen and the only audio options are 5.1 dts hd ma, played the film and low amd behold it shows dts hd ma on the 2113. When i held the film button to pull up the audio options it shows dts hd audio as a setting.
post #5165 of 7905
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Originally Posted by jdvoracek View Post

You don't have to do anything to the AVR. With the default settings, it can even be powered off, and it will turn itself on. Sorry you're having trouble. .
My issue is definitely my providers SMCD3GNV Gateway. Tested by plugging an old Dlink router directly into the AVR with no router connection to the internet; Airplay shows and plays from all my devices nicely. Thanks for the great info here and advice. I'll soon be looking to buy an eMTA modem w/. voice and drop the /month lease of the Comcast equipment.
post #5166 of 7905
i had a pioneer 1021 receiver, recently changed to a sony dn1030 bc the benchmarks implied louder and more power... that proved to be incorrect... which model denon is the lowest that will offer an increase in real power... receiver is driving 2 jbl 180s, 120c and 2 bookshelf 130's thanks!
post #5167 of 7905
Thread Starter 
Honestly, I highly doubt that power is an issue. All of the current Denon models are close enough in terms of power to have it be a relatively moot point when making a decision. Review the models in the first couple of posts in this thread where they are compared in detail, and choose the one which meets your needs in terms of FEATURES and connectivity.
post #5168 of 7905
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Honestly, I highly doubt that power is an issue. All of the current Denon models are close enough in terms of power to have it be a relatively moot point when making a decision. Review the models in the first couple of posts in this thread where they are compared in detail, and choose the one which meets your needs in terms of FEATURES and connectivity.


that mean you think even the 1712/1713 will be louder than both of those other models (even though they are rated higher)?
post #5169 of 7905
Thread Starter 
No, what I am saying is that all of them should be able to get equally loud with your speakers. I simply don't think power is the issue.

The difference between 80 watts and 120 watts is maybe 2dB of MAX headroom. The sound quality differences you think you have noted are almost certainly NOT due to power, unless you can explain more clearly what you experienced and convince me otherwise wink.gif
post #5170 of 7905
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

No, what I am saying is that all of them should be able to get equally loud with your speakers. I simply don't think power is the issue.

The difference between 80 watts and 120 watts is maybe 2dB of MAX headroom. The sound quality differences you think you have noted are almost certainly NOT due to power, unless you can explain more clearly what you experienced and convince me otherwise wink.gif


well the pioneer was louder but would distort before max volume and occasionally both receivers have gone off to auto protect... the speakers are rated well above what the receivers can output so that should not be an issue...for normal listening both were okay.. but when having parties i wanna make lots of noise and not worry about the receiver being overworked and/or damaging my speakers.... the local bestbuy has a 1713 available if u think it will sound BETTER and get to a higher volume as such maybe i'll go grab it to test drive it then go from there with a purchase online or the proper denon that fits my needs...
post #5171 of 7905
Thread Starter 
OK, that's the type of detail that is helpful. If you were actually driving the receivers into distortion / protect mode then, yes, you are going being their limits in terms of power. Most of what people do falls into the "normal listening" that you refer to, in which case people are typically only using 10 w/ch or less.

But power demands are exponential -- 10dB increase in SPL requires 10x the power! So you can run out of power really quick if you are trying to blast the roof off for parties.

The Pio 1021 only tested out at around 45-55 watts/ch with 5 channels driven: http://www.hometheater.com/content/pioneer-vsx-1021-av-receiver-ht-labs-measures

The mid level 1913 tested at around 70-80: http://www.hometheater.com/content/denon-avr-1913-av-receiver-ht-labs-measures

Whereas the top level Denon 3312 (should be the same as the 3313) tested at around 80-100: http://www.hometheater.com/content/denon-avr-3312ci-av-receiver-ht-labs-measures

So realistically, best case, the 33xx level would have about double the "real world" power, which would actually only give you about 3dB of extra headroom. So the honest truth is that if you are going agro at your parties, you may even go into auto protect mode with a $1k unit like the 3313ci.

I do think the mid level Denons will sound better due to their Audyssey features, but you may still be hitting the wall when you go into party mode.
post #5172 of 7905
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

OK, that's the type of detail that is helpful. If you were actually driving the receivers into distortion / protect mode then, yes, you are going being their limits in terms of power. Most of what people do falls into the "normal listening" that you refer to, in which case people are typically only using 10 w/ch or less.

But power demands are exponential -- 10dB increase in SPL requires 10x the power! So you can run out of power really quick if you are trying to blast the roof off for parties.

The Pio 1021 only tested out at around 45-55 watts/ch with 5 channels driven: http://www.hometheater.com/content/pioneer-vsx-1021-av-receiver-ht-labs-measures

The mid level 1913 tested at around 70-80: http://www.hometheater.com/content/denon-avr-1913-av-receiver-ht-labs-measures

Whereas the top level Denon 3312 (should be the same as the 3313) tested at around 80-100: http://www.hometheater.com/content/denon-avr-3312ci-av-receiver-ht-labs-measures

So realistically, best case, the 33xx level would have about double the "real world" power, which would actually only give you about 3dB of extra headroom. So the honest truth is that if you are going agro at your parties, you may even go into auto protect mode with a $1k unit like the 3313ci.

I do think the mid level Denons will sound better due to their Audyssey features, but you may still be hitting the wall when you go into party mode.


i appreciate all your help... i'm not trying to double the output of the pioneer.. it got quite loud but a 20% increase would be nice.... i'm going to get a 2113 and see how it works... theres no issue with the speakers here right? the jbls should handle what they output and then some, correct?
post #5173 of 7905
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Originally Posted by EL Duke View Post

Ive just got a 2113,this is my first receiver and have got it set up fine however i am having a problem with gettin dts hd ma with my blurays. So far I have only tried the dark knight rises, lawless and dredd. Dredd shows in the display dts hd ma no problem, the other two however are only showing dts. I tried a few things before i left for work and am pretty stumped as to what to do. I went into my bluray audio settings and it is set to bitstream. I popped in lawless got to the title screen went into audio and the 2 options are dts hd ma and 2 channel audio description. Played the film, 2113 shows dts. Held the film button for 3 seconds to pull up the audio options and it is set to dolby digital surround. No option for dts hd. I then checked the audio settings on the bluray player and it shows the master track as being dts hd master audio.
Popped in dredd got to title screen and the only audio options are 5.1 dts hd ma, played the film and low amd behold it shows dts hd ma on the 2113. When i held the film button to pull up the audio options it shows dts hd audio as a setting.

As is often said in this thread, the AVR can only play what it receives which also depends on how the BDP is setup. If the AVR is able to play DTS HD MA with one BD then your BDP is properly setup. The fact that it's not on another BD likely means you don't have the HD track selected on that BD or there is a problem with the BD itself.
post #5174 of 7905
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Originally Posted by Saliss View Post

I downloaded the app on both iOS and Android devices. The app shows 2 Denon AVR 3313 entries and none of them seems to work. When I did a complete power recycle of the AVR it just played the first note of the first song and got disconnected.

Note that the Direct Denon to Serviio operation is working ok i.e.; playing 1 song at a time from Serviio as before and Twonky Beam is also seems to be working well when I play any content from Serviio to another DLNA Renderer (Samsung ES7500 series TV) .

Any ideas?

I am afraid not. I played around with a few of these on the iPhone, but was never really happy with them, so I generally control the player via the OSD. If you ever do find a solution, please post back.
post #5175 of 7905
i just setup my 2113ci... everything is working great besides airplay... i even updated firmware... its not in feature add list... am i missing something? i've tried my mac, iphone and ipad.. all have newest software installed... thoughts?
post #5176 of 7905
nevermind GOT IT!
post #5177 of 7905
when pressing the remote "movie" or "music" button.. does it set it to decode any of the accepted formats automatically?... is there a way to do it manually? the ios app doesn't offer many options either just the basic catagories.
post #5178 of 7905
Thread Starter 
MIght help to read this: http://batpigworld.com/wp/?p=150

Surround mode preferences are memorized by input type (e.g. 2ch vs. Dolby Digital) and stored separately for each source. For any MultiCH input it should default to the correct decoding automatically.

The iOS app actually does offer all the same functionality. You can reassign the eight buttons at the bottom and map them to Movie/Music etc or to specific surround modes like Stereo.
post #5179 of 7905
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Originally Posted by EL Duke View Post

Ive just got a 2113,this is my first receiver and have got it set up fine however i am having a problem with gettin dts hd ma with my blurays. So far I have only tried the dark knight rises, lawless and dredd. Dredd shows in the display dts hd ma no problem, the other two however are only showing dts. I tried a few things before i left for work and am pretty stumped as to what to do. I went into my bluray audio settings and it is set to bitstream. I popped in lawless got to the title screen went into audio and the 2 options are dts hd ma and 2 channel audio description. Played the film, 2113 shows dts. Held the film button for 3 seconds to pull up the audio options and it is set to dolby digital surround. No option for dts hd. I then checked the audio settings on the bluray player and it shows the master track as being dts hd master audio.
Popped in dredd got to title screen and the only audio options are 5.1 dts hd ma, played the film and low amd behold it shows dts hd ma on the 2113. When i held the film button to pull up the audio options it shows dts hd audio as a setting.

Are you using a PS3 Fat for your Blu Ray player by any chance?
post #5180 of 7905
Hi all,

I just upgraded from an Denon AVR3806 to the AVR3313 and am experiencing video "distortion" with the new setup. I have a Dish Network 211 HD STB connected thru the AVR3313 to a Samsung SP710 projector (720p DLP). The picture from the STB seems to be zoomed and stretched to the point that the left and right side of the picture is severely cropped. As an example, half of the Science Channels "bug" is cropped. I have tried all combinations of AVR, STB and projector settings with no luck in resolving this issue but there doesn't seem to be any controls that fix this scaling issue. The AVR3806 did not exhibit this, but this is to be expected as this model had only HDMI switching with no video processing.

I have not tried to replicate this on my other sources yet (Oppo BDP83, XBOX), nor have I tried putting the AVR in standby bypass mode yet.

Any suggestions are appreciated.

Thanks,
Joe
post #5181 of 7905
Guys, what is causing handshake issues when I switch to Internet Radio mode on my receiver? If I hit the internet radio button, the music will start play but the TV will flash the white/black static screen for a split second and then have no picture so I cannot navigate the menus. I have to turn every off and back on again several times to get the picture to come on. I thought the handshake problem only dealt with cable box signals, but this is just the receiver and the TV being used so I dont know why im having the problem. Im hooked up with a component video and optical from the cable box to the AVR, and then an HDMI from the AVR to the TV. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
post #5182 of 7905
^^
You may want to try powering off the AVR and unplugging it for 10 minutes to see if that resolves the issue. Also try backing out of the Internet radio and then going back in to it.
post #5183 of 7905
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Originally Posted by JVL View Post

Hi all,

I just upgraded from an Denon AVR3806 to the AVR3313 and am experiencing video "distortion" with the new setup. I have a Dish Network 211 HD STB connected thru the AVR3313 to a Samsung SP710 projector (720p DLP). The picture from the STB seems to be zoomed and stretched to the point that the left and right side of the picture is severely cropped. As an example, half of the Science Channels "bug" is cropped. I have tried all combinations of AVR, STB and projector settings with no luck in resolving this issue but there doesn't seem to be any controls that fix this scaling issue. The AVR3806 did not exhibit this, but this is to be expected as this model had only HDMI switching with no video processing.

I have not tried to replicate this on my other sources yet (Oppo BDP83, XBOX), nor have I tried putting the AVR in standby bypass mode yet.

Any suggestions are appreciated.

Thanks,
Joe

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_L11
post #5184 of 7905
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
You may want to try powering off the AVR and unplugging it for 10 minutes to see if that resolves the issue. Also try backing out of the Internet radio and then going back in to it.

I have this issue everytime I want to listen to the radio, so that would mean unplugging it everyday almost. I swear using this AVR is like a crap shoot. Sometimes the TV will come on, sometimes it will connect to the network, but sometimes it won't.

Another question I have is that some mornings when I get up and turn the AVR on, it won't come on. The red standby light under the power button is on, but the unit will not power up. I have to unplug/plug in the AVR for it to work. Is this some kind of protection mode it goes in to? Once or twice a week it will happen, and Ive noticed that these are the times that it will not connect to the network. So what I usually do is unplug it when I leave for work in the morning and plug it back in when I get home and everyything works fine. Could it be overheating during the evening while watching TV and going into a protection mode when I shut it down for the night?
post #5185 of 7905
1. If this is something that has to be done regularly then perhaps you should consider repair or replace.

2. Protection mode is indicated by a "flashing" red light above the power button. The light is a constant "red" with the settings as noted below ...

post #5186 of 7905
Thanks for the info. I sent it in for service already thinking the network card was bad after talking to customer service, and it was sent back saying everything checked out OK so Im still having the same problems after forking out almost $50 to ship it in. But Ive noticed after I leave it unplugged for the day, the network function works again so something else is wrong but I dont know what.
post #5187 of 7905
Unless the issue is reproduceable at will, a repair center isn't going to be able do anything. Try replacing the HDMI cable from the AVR to the TV and perhaps the router as well. Have you tried doing the "Network reset" procedure noted in post #5 of this thread?
post #5188 of 7905
Yes, Ive done the network reset twice while on the phone with tech support. The problems just resume a day or 2 later.

One more question, with the way I have the AVR connected (COMP and Optical from cbl box to AVR and HDMI from AVR to TV), do I want HDMI control on or off? I just checked and it was off...would that make a difference with the handshake issues?
post #5189 of 7905
With that specific connection not being HDMI, no you don't need HDMI Control to be ON.
post #5190 of 7905
Darn, I was hoping that there were just some settings that weren't right that could maybe fix these problems. Do you know of any specific settings that I need to verify to see if they would help? On the Input Assign menu, the CBL/SAT is set to OPT under the digital column, and COMP under the comp column. All of the other inputs say 'none' under both columns. The network DHCP is on. I turned HDMI control to ON, with Standby source set to Last but that was before you said it wasnt needed. I dont really know what else to look for to make any corrections or troubleshoot.
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