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post #5281 of 10468
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Originally Posted by 1956msg View Post

Hi,

I saw your detailed post and hope you can help. I'm considering the 3312 or 3313 and want to verify that you can output 2 different HDMI in sources to Out 1 and Out 2. I.E. Blu Ray to Out 1 and Sat/Cab to out 2. Will it pass thru the video unchanged as well with no upscale or conversion. (HDMI in I mean)

Also will any models below this output 2 separate sources.

Thanks

The 3313 (and 4520) have 3 HDMI outputs. Two of them, on the main zone, will output the same thing. The third output (zone 2 on the 3313, Zone 4? on the 4520) can be independently set to any of your HDMI inputs. It is important to note that if you set both zones to the same input, the HDMI source will see the lowest common denominator in terms of audio and video capabilities. IE if your zone 2 is just connected to a 2D TV, you're only going to get stereo and 2D out on the main zone sa well, even if your source is capable of sending DTS-HD and 3D. The moment you switch zone 2 away, it should re-negotiate back to the best available.

I use this at home quite a bit.... I can be watching the game in my living room, while my girlfriend watches netflix in the bedroom, all on the same system.
post #5282 of 10468
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Originally Posted by BPlayer View Post

Selecting mode of Surround Stereo outputs to just L, R, and sub.


how bout if i hooked up the 2 surrounds in the zone 2 output.. then essentially would it play through front left + right, subwoofer..and then those 2 ... i have 7 speakers but only 5 are currently hooked up so i could run 5.1 and have 2 for zone 2 right?
post #5283 of 10468
Thread Starter 
Instead of asking questions, why not take a step back and simply explain what you are trying to accomplish. Then we can suggest an appropriate solution.
post #5284 of 10468
I have a 1613 and have a problem with the audio randomly cutting out while watching cable. The cable box is a Cisco 8652HDC. The cable runs from the box to the HDMI in back on my Oppo BDP-103 then the video goes to my tv via HDMI 1 and the audio goes to the Denon via the HDMI 2.

The audio is on Dolby D but the audio will randomly cut out and the little Dolby symbol on the Denon display and "DIG" icon will disappear for a second.

Any solution?!
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post #5286 of 10468
Hi !!! I have an AVR 1613 and a 1912.

My son is 7+ months old and he is starting to touch everything. Does anyone know of a good clear plastic type front shield for the Denon receivers? I am trying to prevent my son from changing the settings on the receiver constantly...

Thanks !!!
post #5287 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

1. If this is something that has to be done regularly then perhaps you should consider repair or replace.

2. Protection mode is indicated by a "flashing" red light above the power button. The light is a constant "red" with the settings as noted below ...


I need some help with the standby status.
I have a new 2113, and I'm not clear on these distinctions, even after looking at the .PDF manual.
When I turn the receiver "off" with the power button on the remote, the status light goes totally off. However, if I use the power button on the remote app on my iPhone, it turns a solid red.

What's going on here? I've noticed that when it shuts off with no red light, that it's much more difficult to reestablish the wireless connection from the iPhone again. In fact, the iPhone can't "see" the unit when it's off, to be able to turn it back on. However, if the status light is solid red, then the iPhone app is perfectly able to wake the receiver and get back to business.

Can someone please explain WHY there are differences between these functions? To be honest, the explanations in the manual confuse me even more than anything, as I'm not clear on "HDMI Control" nor "IP Control".

Thanks!
post #5288 of 10468
^^^^

I believe you need to set your IP Control to Always On.
post #5289 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Alan P View Post

^^^^

I believe you need to set your IP Control to Always On.

I already do have that set to "Always On". But I still don't get the red standby if I use the power button on the remote.
post #5290 of 10468
I have a question about the output resolution. 99% of what we watch comes from my D* HR24 HD DVR. It's connected via HDMI to my 2313, and then the 2313 is connected to my Sony KDL-52W4100. I have the i/p scaler set to Analog & HDMI. When I set Resolution to Auto, the TV does get a 1080p signal and the picture does look a little better than just 720p or 1080i, but the video will be a little choppy sometimes, especially on certain channels like HGTV. It's most noticeable when there's a scene transition, but it does occur at other times to. I've played around with the DVR settings (it can be set to output either the channel's native resolution or it can be set to upscale everything to a certain resolution) but any of the changes I made didn't help. Basically the only way I've gotten rid of the choppiness is to set the 2313 Resolution to 1080i.

Are there any other suggestions to try so I can keep the 2313 Resolution at Auto without having the choppiness? Thanks.
post #5291 of 10468
Thread Starter 
If you set the resolution to 1080i you aren't doing anything, because the output from the D* box is probably already 1080i.

Try setting the receiver to "force" 1080p/60 instead of just Auto, there have been occasional reports of the Auto setting futzing things up.
post #5292 of 10468
OK thanks I'll try that. Sure would like to get the slightly improved PQ from the 2313 without the side effects if possible.

Setting it to 1080i was my solution to get rid of the choppiness, but as you state then it doesn't improve the PQ.
post #5293 of 10468
I'm considering purchasing a 3313 to pair with an AE-8000. I've selected the 3313 mostly based on the independent zone feature. Below is a list of what I'd like to have set up. Some of them I can clearly see are supported, others I'm not as clear. Perhaps someone with more experience can give me a Yes/No for each. I've sorted them what I'm pretty sure can be done to not so clear to me.


1. Watch a football game on DirectTV in the home theater, AND the digital TV in the Family room simulatenously (duel output 1 source)

2. Watch Bluray movie in the home theater with 7.1 sound, AND watch Direct TV in the Family room via the independent Zone (3?), with sound coming from the family room tv only (no external speakers). Might require moving the HDMI output for the family room from the dependent zone (2?) to the independent zone (3?) compared to scenario 1 above.

3. Play XBox in the home theater AND watch Direct TV in the Family room, AND use the 2 external speakers in the family room for the TV sound (they are wired to the 3313, not to the TV in the Family room)

3. Use the split-screen option on the AE8000 (2 HDMI inputs), to watch Direct TV AND play XBox on the same screen with Audio coming from only 1 of course (likely the Direct TV).

4. Watch BluRay movie in the home theater AND watch Direct TV in the Family room AND listen to Sirius XM on the external speakers in the Family room.


Likely Connections to the 3313:

1. Direct TV HD Receiver
2. XBox
3. Apple TV
4. BluRay Player
5. LAN
6. If I can do the side-by-side, maybe a 2nd XBox (8 up Call of Duty anyone?)

Thanks in advance,

Rymel
post #5294 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Doug Nash View Post

I already do have that set to "Always On". But I still don't get the red standby if I use the power button on the remote.
Try a reset of the AVR as turning off the AVR with the button on the AVR, the remote, or the remote app should have the same effect.
post #5295 of 10468
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Edited by Rick Zaida - 2/8/13 at 5:14pm
post #5296 of 10468
whats the general consensus for users with say fios/directv and a sony led... you prefer video conversion on or off??
post #5297 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Rymel View Post

I'm considering purchasing a 3313 to pair with an AE-8000. I've selected the 3313 mostly based on the independent zone feature. Below is a list of what I'd like to have set up. Some of them I can clearly see are supported, others I'm not as clear. Perhaps someone with more experience can give me a Yes/No for each. I've sorted them what I'm pretty sure can be done to not so clear to me.


1. Watch a football game on DirectTV in the home theater, AND the digital TV in the Family room simulatenously (duel output 1 source)
Yep, but if your TV on zone 2 signals that it can only do stereo, then your DirecTV box is likely to only put out stereo, even for your main zone. (Lowest common denominator concept applies here)
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2. Watch Bluray movie in the home theater with 7.1 sound, AND watch Direct TV in the Family room via the independent Zone (3?), with sound coming from the family room tv only (no external speakers). Might require moving the HDMI output for the family room from the dependent zone (2?) to the independent zone (3?) compared to scenario 1 above.
Nope, in this scenario, your family room TV just stays on Zone 2, and you set Zone 2 to DirecTV, while Zone 1 is set to the BluRay input. I do this quite a bit, watch the game in the living room while the GF watches netflix in the bedroom (ok ok, she's normally watching netflix in the living room... wink.gif)
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3. Play XBox in the home theater AND watch Direct TV in the Family room, AND use the 2 external speakers in the family room for the TV sound (they are wired to the 3313, not to the TV in the Family room)
Unfortunately, the 3313 can not do this via HDMI, unless you run the analog Left/Right audio from the DirecTV box to the 3313 in addition to the HDMI. However, if you're doing 7.1 in the home theatre, you'll want to add an external amplifier for zone 2, as the 3313 only has 7 total amplification channels, and switching the assignable amplifier from a 7.1 setup to zone 2 setup is a major pain in the ass. Also, if you want this to work without major complications with scenario #4 below, you'll actually want ot have the spakers on zone 3, and thus will need to turn both zone 2 and zone 3 on, and set both of them to the DirecTV setup.
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3. Use the split-screen option on the AE8000 (2 HDMI inputs), to watch Direct TV AND play XBox on the same screen with Audio coming from only 1 of course (likely the Direct TV).
While the 3313 has dual zone 1 HDMI outputs, it only has a single zone 2 HDMI output (3 total). You could theoretically do this, but then you'd have to muck around with cables and/or an HDMI splitter on the zone 2 HDMI output. No reason why it wouldn't work though.
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4. Watch BluRay movie in the home theater AND watch Direct TV in the Family room AND listen to Sirius XM on the external speakers in the Family room.
In theory, yes this should work, as the 3313 is a 3 zone receiver. The inputs can be pretty freely assigned between the different outputs. This will absolutely require an external amplifier for Zone 3, assuming you're wanting 7.1 in the home theatre.

Anyhow, I hope this helps.
post #5298 of 10468
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

If you set the resolution to 1080i you aren't doing anything, because the output from the D* box is probably already 1080i.

Try setting the receiver to "force" 1080p/60 instead of just Auto, there have been occasional reports of the Auto setting futzing things up.

So I set the Resolution (HDMI) to 1080p (there is no specific 1080p/60) and the result was the same as when it was set to Auto. With it set to 1080p I tuned into BBC America HD and a Gordon Ramsey show was on and it was unwatchable. Extremely bad choppiness - worse than any choppiness I had seen before. When I set the Resolution back to 1080i, then the video was fine. Is there anything else I can try?

Do most people use the video conversion? If so, do they experience these issues?
post #5299 of 10468
^^^
When I had my DirecTV HR24-500 connected to my 2113ci, I had the D* box set to Native On and all resolutions, and the 2113ci set to Auto and all worked quite well with the only slight downside that channel changing took a slight bit longer. The result was very good with none of what you are describing happening.

That said, there are lots of reports about Sat/Cable boxes and AVRs with no real rhyme or reason to it.

Yesterday I put a new AppleTV 3 into my system and it looked very good. Then it did the download of the latest firmware and suddenly no video. Twiddled around and couldn't figure out what was going on. Finally just set the 2113ci to force 1080p output only for that input and all was good. Then looked to see what the hell was different that caused it and after a bit of looking at everything in settings on the AppleTV I gave up and just left it that way. Just another example of the HDMI crap we see all too often.
post #5300 of 10468
Hi Strider

Thanks that's the answer I was looking for. So it sounds like you can have Zone 2 Tv with a separate source on it's own and feed 2 other TV's from Zone 1 with another source. Or have all 3 with the same source and it then down samples to lowest capable TV?

If you have Zone 1 & 2 independent, will the surround work with Zone 1 and send sound out to Zone 2 TV?

Never had a Denon but I've heard the sound is awesome. I have a Onkyo 616 but the 2 outs are the same source and it's not working very well.

Thanks.
post #5301 of 10468
Speaking of HDMI issues. I'm trying to figure out whether there is a way to have the 2113 shut down my Samsung LED LCD when the receiver shuts down?
I've messed with the TV's options, but the closest I can get is to have the monitor shut off if it doesn't receive a signal for at least fifteen-minutes. That's not very elegant.
I know the Denon has the "HDMI Control Function" but I'm not quite clear on just how that needs to work, in conjunction with the TV settings. Maybe it's not exactly a reliable setup, considering what I've read about the flaky nature of some HDMI handshakes?
post #5302 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Indiana627 View Post

So I set the Resolution (HDMI) to 1080p (there is no specific 1080p/60) and the result was the same as when it was set to Auto. With it set to 1080p I tuned into BBC America HD and a Gordon Ramsey show was on and it was unwatchable. Extremely bad choppiness - worse than any choppiness I had seen before. When I set the Resolution back to 1080i, then the video was fine. Is there anything else I can try?

Do most people use the video conversion? If so, do they experience these issues?

The cause of this is because you are trying to convert an interlaced signal to a progressive signal. Try setting you D* box to output 720p only and you should get better results.

In my experience though (D* Tivo) the upscaling of my 2113 on D* content made little to no noticeabe difference.
post #5303 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Doug Nash View Post

Speaking of HDMI issues. I'm trying to figure out whether there is a way to have the 2113 shut down my Samsung LED LCD when the receiver shuts down?
I've messed with the TV's options, but the closest I can get is to have the monitor shut off if it doesn't receive a signal for at least fifteen-minutes. That's not very elegant.
I know the Denon has the "HDMI Control Function" but I'm not quite clear on just how that needs to work, in conjunction with the TV settings. Maybe it's not exactly a reliable setup, considering what I've read about the flaky nature of some HDMI handshakes?

I have my 2113 set up so that when I turn off the TV, the AVR shuts off. I'm not sure if you can do it the other way around.
post #5304 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Alan P View Post

I have my 2113 set up so that when I turn off the TV, the AVR shuts off. I'm not sure if you can do it the other way around.

Hmm...interesting. Thanks. I hadn't even thought about the relationship going in reverse. But the reason I'd like to (hopefully) get the AVR to control the TV is so that I could use the "sleep" function on the Denon, and have that shut down the TV too, late at night.
post #5305 of 10468
Good day fellow techies.

I just replaced an Onkyo 707 due to a bad HDMI board after 30 months (grrr) with a Denon 1913. Sounds great and loving some of the features, however, I cannot seem to get it to recognize my Mackbook Air via HDMI. With my Onkyo it plugged right in and my Macbook saw the Onkyo and allowed me to use my receiver/TV as a second monitor. No such luck with the Denon. I've tried on the AUX HDMI up front as well as a rear input. It seems the unit knows I plug something in since it replaces the Denon logo on screen with all black, but doesn't go further than that. I'm hoping there is a setting I haven't found to make this work.

Thanks in advance.
J
Edited by airjdogg56 - 2/6/13 at 11:06am
post #5306 of 10468
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Originally Posted by airjdogg56 View Post

Good day fellow techies.

I just replaced an Onkyo 707 due to a bad HDMI board after 30 months (grrr) with an Onkyo 1913. Sounds great and loving some of the features, however, I cannot seem to get it to recognize my Mackbook Air via HDMI. With my Onkyo it plugged right in and my Macbook saw the Onkyo and allowed me to use my receiver/TV as a second monitor. No such luck with the Denon. I've tried on the AUX HDMI up front as well as a rear input. It seems the unit knows I plug something in since it replaces the Denon logo on screen with all black, but doesn't go further than that. I'm hoping there is a setting I haven't found to make this work.

Thanks in advance.
J

I'm interested in that Onkyo 1913 model also... I hear it's quite hard to find wink.gif
post #5307 of 10468
Haha.. I don't know what you mean? biggrin.gif
post #5308 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Doug Nash View Post

Hmm...interesting. Thanks. I hadn't even thought about the relationship going in reverse. But the reason I'd like to (hopefully) get the AVR to control the TV is so that I could use the "sleep" function on the Denon, and have that shut down the TV too, late at night.

Does the TV have a sleep function you could use?
post #5309 of 10468
I'm planning to buy a Denon AVR1713.
After reading Batpig's FAW, I understand that Direct and Pure direct bypass everything and send the signal straight thru.
If I select stereo and have just 2 speakers (marked as small) and a sub connected would the stereo speakers benefit from Audyssey's MultEq settings?

Most of the stuff I will be listening too will be in stereo.
post #5310 of 10468
^^^^^

Short answer is yes.
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