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post #5671 of 8284
2/18/13 at 3:25pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

1. Correct.
2. Yes to the first part, no to the second. Zone 2 is only analog connected devices, network sources, FM Tuner, and USB.
3. No. Audyssey only applies to the main zone speakers.
4. Using the front panel display can be difficult at times. Much better served using the Web Control feature (p. 89 OM) or smart phone app. The 1613 does not support the Web Control feature, although does support smart phone control.
5. See #2 above. This is the case for at least 98% of all AVRs on the market today. Among the few that are able to pass PCM 2.0 over optical/digital coax include the prior year 331XCI series with the exception of the current 3313CI; however the 3313CI is able to pass HDMI to a Zone 2 using a dedicated Zone2(HDMI) output.

For more info, refer to the Zone 2 section in post #3 of this thread ....

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_M

Thanks, jdsmoothie! That's very useful information.

i. I'm not completely clear on #4. So it sounds like the front panel could be used, but it is simply a PITA. Can the DLNA server be fully browsed and accessed via the smartphone app? That is, I could browse and choose music remotely with the smartphone app, all without the need for a TV plugged into the AVR?

ii. It is unfortunate that Zone 2 cannot be Audyssey-calibrated. In lue of this, do you know if the speakers of zone 2 can be equalized with the 9-band graphical EQ?

iii. If yes to ii., I may instead be able to, connect the PC to zone 2 with an analog interconnect, and stream FLAC to the more critical, calibrated zone 1. Do you know if in this configuration, the analog source could be routed to both zones? How about the DLNA streaming in both zones?

FYI, and this is a bit of a diversion, but part of the reason I'm so interested in the DLNA streaming is that I can't envision a cleaner way to get lossless media to the speakers. I believe the Denon DACs in the AVR will be better than anything else I can get in a reasonable price range, and there will be minimal accumulation of noise on the analog line, as it doesn't have to run very far and presumably they've done a good job shielding internally. In my head, I'm imagining the alternative--a Sonos or other network streaming device, doing the DA conversion and lossy, noise-accumulating RCA cables running into the back of the AVR--would result in a lesser quality output in the end. I also wonder if even using a digital input from another device (like a Sonos, or the PC) would likely result in reduced quality versus the internal network streaming, because the devices (or soundcards) usually resample the digital signal (rather than pass it on in its native format), which leads to quantization noise. But perhaps resampling is going to happen internally in the AVR anyway. Any thoughts on this??
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post #5672 of 8284
2/18/13 at 3:51pm
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Originally Posted by paulbalegend View Post

Thanks, jdsmoothie! That's very useful information.
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I forgot to add the following question: can a sub preout be directed to zone 2? If no, is there any other way to get 2.1 in zone 2?

Thanks!
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post #5673 of 8284
2/18/13 at 5:47pm
No .. the LFE signal only applies to Zone 1, although if using the Zone2(HDMI) output you could pass the LFE from that source to another AVR and connect a 2nd sub to it.
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post #5674 of 8284
2/18/13 at 6:39pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

No .. the LFE signal only applies to Zone 1, although if using the Zone2(HDMI) output you could pass the LFE from that source to another AVR and connect a 2nd sub to it.

Thanks again, jdsmoothie. You're a fountain of knowledge, and I've found your posts (particularly on page 1 of this thread) tremendously helpful. Your link to the post discussing multizone features of 1912 models and that on the Crutchfield article were also very interesting, thanks.

Did you happen to see my other question above? (The post in which I began "i. I'm not completely clear on #4...")
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post #5675 of 8284
2/18/13 at 6:49pm
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Originally Posted by paulbalegend View Post

Thanks, jdsmoothie! That's very useful information.

i. I'm not completely clear on #4. So it sounds like the front panel could be used, but it is simply a PITA. Can the DLNA server be fully browsed and accessed via the smartphone app? That is, I could browse and choose music remotely with the smartphone app, all without the need for a TV plugged into the AVR?

ii. It is unfortunate that Zone 2 cannot be Audyssey-calibrated. In lue of this, do you know if the speakers of zone 2 can be equalized with the 9-band graphical EQ?

iii. If yes to ii., I may instead be able to, connect the PC to zone 2 with an analog interconnect, and stream FLAC to the more critical, calibrated zone 1. Do you know if in this configuration, the analog source could be routed to both zones? How about the DLNA streaming in both zones?

FYI, and this is a bit of a diversion, but part of the reason I'm so interested in the DLNA streaming is that I can't envision a cleaner way to get lossless media to the speakers. I believe the Denon DACs in the AVR will be better than anything else I can get in a reasonable price range, and there will be minimal accumulation of noise on the analog line, as it doesn't have to run very far and presumably they've done a good job shielding internally. In my head, I'm imagining the alternative--a Sonos or other network streaming device, doing the DA conversion and lossy, noise-accumulating RCA cables running into the back of the AVR--would result in a lesser quality output in the end. I also wonder if even using a digital input from another device (like a Sonos, or the PC) would likely result in reduced quality versus the internal network streaming, because the devices (or soundcards) usually resample the digital signal (rather than pass it on in its native format), which leads to quantization noise. But perhaps resampling is going to happen internally in the AVR anyway. Any thoughts on this??

i. I am not personally familiar with the smart phone apps, so I'll defer this to someone with more knowledge on the subject.
ii. Any EQ capability applies to the main zone only.
iii. Both analog and network audio sources can be played to both zones.
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post #5676 of 8284
2/18/13 at 7:50pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

i. I am not personally familiar with the smart phone apps, so I'll defer this to someone with more knowledge on the subject.
ii. Any EQ capability applies to the main zone only.
iii. Both analog and network audio sources can be played to both zones.

Thanks! I think the 1913 is the ticket. I'll just get a better sound card to output a descent quality analog out for my zone 2.
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post #5677 of 8284
2/18/13 at 8:37pm
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Originally Posted by paulbalegend View Post

Thanks, jdsmoothie! That's very useful information.

i. I'm not completely clear on #4. So it sounds like the front panel could be used, but it is simply a PITA. Can the DLNA server be fully browsed and accessed via the smartphone app? That is, I could browse and choose music remotely with the smartphone app, all without the need for a TV plugged into the AVR?

Yes you can use the official Denon iOS or Android App to browse the DLNA Server and play the FLACs. However, if you have custom playlists built on your Server then the app does not seems to play the whole list and you have to manually play each song in the list. The new update of the app now allows you to play a whole albums automatically but the playlist issue still persist.

There is also a web controller interface, which can be operated from smartphone browser as well and does not have the playlist issue with it. However, the GUI is not very good.

I am using Serviio as my primary DLNA server and I am playing FLACs using the denon app on my 3313.
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post #5678 of 8284
2/18/13 at 8:45pm
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Originally Posted by Saliss View Post

Yes you can use the official Denon iOS or Android App to browse the DLNA Server and play the FLACs. However, if you have custom playlists built on your Server then the app does not seems to play the whole list and you have to manually play each song in the list. The new update of the app now allows you to play a whole albums automatically but the playlist issue still persist.

There is also a web controller interface, which can be operated from smartphone browser as well and does not have the playlist issue with it. However, the GUI is not very good.

I am using Serviio as my primary DLNA server and I am playing FLACs using the denon app on my 3313.

I see. Thanks very much, Saliss.
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post #5679 of 8284
2/18/13 at 8:45pm
I made some adjustments to my subs and I needed to run Audyssey again on my 1613. I went to plug the mic in and I saw a slight spark. The AVR does not hear the mic. I unplugged it and plugged it back in and the calibration settings came on the screen, but the AVR still couldn't hear the mic. Would resetting my AVR fix this problem or is my mic fried?
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post #5680 of 8284
2/18/13 at 8:52pm
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Originally Posted by sojodave View Post

I made some adjustments to my subs and I needed to run Audyssey again on my 1613. I went to plug the mic in and I saw a slight spark. The AVR does not hear the mic. I unplugged it and plugged it back in and the calibration settings came on the screen, but the AVR still couldn't hear the mic. Would resetting my AVR fix this problem or is my mic fried?
I would guess that, unfortunately, it is not the mic that is fried but the circuitry into which the microphone plugs (the preamp IC, or one of the components about it, likely a coupling or blocking cap). I hope for your sake that I'm wrong!

You're only going to find out the answer to your question by trying the reset.

You could also borrow someone else's Audyssey mic to test the (IMHO) less likely theory that the mic is fried.
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post #5681 of 8284
2/18/13 at 9:50pm
yeah,I'm wondering if I'm missing something real usefull in the 2312ci on which I just took delivery yesterday.thanks for your sharing 6.gif
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post #5682 of 8284
2/19/13 at 4:25am
I just upgraded from the 1911 to the 2113CI and encountered a couple peculiarities during Audyssey setup:

1) Audyssey had difficulty detecting each of speakers such that it increased the volume of the test tone for each channel. This never happened when calibrating on the 1911.

2) After calibration on the 2113CI, the subwoofer trim level was set to the undesirable level of -12dB. On the 1911, the trim level was typically -6 to -7dB for the same position of the volume knob.

Does the different behaviors of the two receivers indicate any sort of problem?
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post #5683 of 8284
2/19/13 at 6:25am
Owner of a 2113 that I have a couple questions on.

When skipping ahead on a program on my Directv receiver, I noticed that upon resuming the program/sound, it will be lower, then it quickly resumes the same level. (Not a bad thing,just curious if it's a feature?)

However when just simply watching a program, the sound will lower very briefly (not mute or anything) and then resume the same level. Kind of like a quick audio drop out? I watch the receiver to see if it maybe loses sync on Dolby Digital but doesn't seem so.

I don't want to reset it just yet and lose my settings, just curious if anyone else has had the problem?
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post #5684 of 8284
2/19/13 at 7:50am
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Originally Posted by paulbalegend View Post

Originally Posted by sojodave View Post

I made some adjustments to my subs and I needed to run Audyssey again on my 1613. I went to plug the mic in and I saw a slight spark. The AVR does not hear the mic. I unplugged it and plugged it back in and the calibration settings came on the screen, but the AVR still couldn't hear the mic. Would resetting my AVR fix this problem or is my mic fried?

I made some adjustments to my subs and I needed to run Audyssey again on my 1613. I went to plug the mic in and I saw a slight spark. The AVR does not hear the mic. I unplugged it and plugged it back in and the calibration settings came on the screen, but the AVR still couldn't hear the mic. Would resetting my AVR fix this problem or is my mic fried?

I would guess that, unfortunately, it is not the mic that is fried but the circuitry into which the microphone plugs (the preamp IC, or one of the components about it, likely a coupling or blocking cap). I hope for your sake that I'm wrong!

You're only going to find out the answer to your question by trying the reset.

You could also borrow someone else's Audyssey mic to test the (IMHO) less likely theory that the mic is fried.

I reset my AVR and I get the same message (no microphone or speaker found) Is there a way to test whether it's the microphone or the receiver. I agree with your assessment that it's probably the receiver.
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post #5685 of 8284
2/19/13 at 8:44am
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Originally Posted by slapshot View Post

Owner of a 2113 that I have a couple questions on.

When skipping ahead on a program on my Directv receiver, I noticed that upon resuming the program/sound, it will be lower, then it quickly resumes the same level. (Not a bad thing,just curious if it's a feature?)

However when just simply watching a program, the sound will lower very briefly (not mute or anything) and then resume the same level. Kind of like a quick audio drop out? I watch the receiver to see if it maybe loses sync on Dolby Digital but doesn't seem so.

I don't want to reset it just yet and lose my settings, just curious if anyone else has had the problem?

Do you have Dynamic Volume set to ON? That features tries to level out volumes to prevent sudden changes.
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post #5686 of 8284
2/19/13 at 8:48am
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Originally Posted by paulbalegend View Post

Originally Posted by sojodave View Post

I made some adjustments to my subs and I needed to run Audyssey again on my 1613. I went to plug the mic in and I saw a slight spark. The AVR does not hear the mic. I unplugged it and plugged it back in and the calibration settings came on the screen, but the AVR still couldn't hear the mic. Would resetting my AVR fix this problem or is my mic fried?

I made some adjustments to my subs and I needed to run Audyssey again on my 1613. I went to plug the mic in and I saw a slight spark. The AVR does not hear the mic. I unplugged it and plugged it back in and the calibration settings came on the screen, but the AVR still couldn't hear the mic. Would resetting my AVR fix this problem or is my mic fried?

I would guess that, unfortunately, it is not the mic that is fried but the circuitry into which the microphone plugs (the preamp IC, or one of the components about it, likely a coupling or blocking cap). I hope for your sake that I'm wrong!

You're only going to find out the answer to your question by trying the reset.

You could also borrow someone else's Audyssey mic to test the (IMHO) less likely theory that the mic is fried.

I reset my AVR and I get the same message (no microphone or speaker found) Is there a way to test whether it's the microphone or the receiver. I agree with your assessment that it's probably the receiver.

You might try plugging the microphone into a computer.

Oh, and don't forget to turn on or purchase some humidifiers for your home. Static electricity sparks can damage just about anything electronic.
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post #5687 of 8284
2/19/13 at 11:10am
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Originally Posted by meddler76 View Post

I just upgraded from the 1911 to the 2113CI and encountered a couple peculiarities during Audyssey setup:

1) Audyssey had difficulty detecting each of speakers such that it increased the volume of the test tone for each channel. This never happened when calibrating on the 1911.

2) After calibration on the 2113CI, the subwoofer trim level was set to the undesirable level of -12dB. On the 1911, the trim level was typically -6 to -7dB for the same position of the volume knob.

Does the different behaviors of the two receivers indicate any sort of problem?

i did not know that when Audyssey increases the volume of the test tone for each channel that it means there was difficulty detecting speakers. everyone one of mine did that. the only one that went with the low tone only is my bad speaker. where ever i move it, it only tones it once and it fails however sound is perfect from it.
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post #5688 of 8284
2/19/13 at 11:14am
I have a Denon AVR-989 which has been a great receiver. We recently bought a 3D tv and some other newer electronics which require more hdmi inputs and functionality than the 989 can provide. We bought an AVR-1713 which I'm about to set up. Will the sound quality be comparable to the 989 or will we be sacrificing sound quality for functionality? The 989 has more audio and video processing capability than the 1713.http://www.avsforum.com/t/1057392/official-denon-avr-2809ci-989-thread.
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post #5689 of 8284
2/19/13 at 5:40pm
They both use the same version of Audyssey MultEQ XT so there shouldn't be that much of a difference. Keep in mind if you are using the 989 in another room, you can connect the Zone 2 pre-outs on each unit to the other unit to play sources in the other room.
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post #5690 of 8284
2/19/13 at 5:56pm
I've recently replaced a relatively ancient Denon AVR-4800 with an AVR-3313, and I couldn't be happier. I have the main zone set up as 7.2, and zone 2 connected to a tv in a separate room. With the 4800, I was using a POA-5200 as the amplifier for the the left and right front speakers. My question is, where if anywhere, does the POA-5200 fit into my new setup? I don't have a requirement to connect to a zone 3. Does it make sense to offload any of the 7.2 channels to the 5200? If so, which?

Thank you for any feed back.
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post #5691 of 8284
2/19/13 at 5:59pm
It only makes sense if you feel you need more power to your FL/FR speakers, otherwise if the 3313CI is doing the job, save it for a possible Zone 3. smile.gif
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post #5692 of 8284
2/19/13 at 6:07pm
Some have posted about Fry's Electronics having big discounts on some of the Denon receivers recently, such as the AVR-1913 for $299
At Fry's website all the Denon receivers are listed at near MSRP however.
Do they have the special low prices only in the store, not listed at the website or are they not discounted right now?
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post #5693 of 8284
2/19/13 at 7:25pm
Ok. This goes for everything Frys and many other retailers.

MANY manufactures stipulate in their dealer agreement (map) pricing - manufacture approved price. With this policy a retailer may not advertise a price lower than what the manufacture allows. This is to help allow each retailer an equal opportunity to make a sale.

This means you will not see a low price on a website.

So you must call.

In frys case. The have a weeekly ad. Ending 2/14 the 1913 was $329. In the ad is just said "top a/v brand" , some specs, and normal price of "$549". Call to reserve. I called. Found out the model. And reserved it.

This is what they and most retailers do to get around their dealer agreements.

Currently the 1913 is no longer discounted but they have other receiver brands on sale.

Hope this makes sense.
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post #5694 of 8284
2/19/13 at 7:50pm
Evening friends.

Tonight I went to change the volume on my 1913 and the indicator bar was pink. I also thought for a moment I saw some Japanese characters on screen. I went into the setup menu and it was fubar. Pink boxes with Japanese writing. A large rectangle filled with digital noise that went away after a few seconds. After resetting the unit it is operating normally. The audio and picture through the unit were fine the whole time aside from the issues above. I have been debating returning it for the 2113 for the extra warranty/Audessey upgrade, and this may help me make-up my mind. This unit replaced a 30 month old Onkyo 707 that had a failing HDMI board. I feel I have an AV curse. My setup is cool and air moves freely around the units.

Here's a pic of the issue. The banding you see on the display is from my ****** BBerry cam; the picture was fine. (Aside from the fact it was pink and in Japanese.)

Thoughts? Similar experiences?


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2/19/13 at 9:27pm
I just bought the AVR-1713 and cannot get Airplay to work. All devices (iPad/iPhone/MacBook Pro) see the Denon but all try to switch but then stop playing. The error on my MBP:
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An error occurred while connecting to the AirPlay device “DENON:[AVR-1713]”. An unknown error occurred (-15000).
I have trying turning off and unplugging as well as resetting the microprocessor 3-4 times. I have tried starting from blank input, input with video, and network input all without any success. It is clearly attempting to connect as the input switches to network, says Airplay, and has the circle loading any time I hit the play button whether on the Denon (center/OK button) or the source device trying to stream. The receiver is wired while devices are over N wifi (and none have problems with the internet). Any suggestions?
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post #5696 of 8284
2/20/13 at 12:00am
I'm looking over the photos and specs of Denon's current receiver models and noticed they don't have a switched AC power outlet anymore like my old Denon 1802 model has.
I need that switched power outlet for my subwoofer so it will turn off/on with the receiver's remote controlled power.
Why did they remove that switched power outlet on new HDMI receivers nowadays?
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post #5697 of 8284
2/20/13 at 3:12am
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I'm looking over the photos and specs of Denon's current receiver models and noticed they don't have a switched AC power outlet anymore like my old Denon 1802 model has.
I need that switched power outlet for my subwoofer so it will turn off/on with the receiver's remote controlled power.
Why did they remove that switched power outlet on new HDMI receivers nowadays?

Doubtless because of the extra expense of including it. They're doing cost reductions whereever possible, including deleting features that people actually want.

FWIW, smart power strips are available these days which will turn off all of the other outlets when the primary outlet stops drawing power. Here's an example. Many others are available. http://www.amazon.com/Smart-Strip-LCG5-Auto-Switching-Technology/dp/B000L9635G
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2/20/13 at 7:42am
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Originally Posted by BriscoCountyJr View Post

I'm looking over the photos and specs of Denon's current receiver models and noticed they don't have a switched AC power outlet anymore like my old Denon 1802 model has.
I need that switched power outlet for my subwoofer so it will turn off/on with the receiver's remote controlled power.
Why did they remove that switched power outlet on new HDMI receivers nowadays?
Quite simple.

Compare the VA rating of AVR outlet v sub-woofer requirement. You will find that sub-woofer power requirement vastly exceed the capability of AVR outlet and connecting sub-woofer to outlet could potentially damage AVR.

Sub-woofer should be connected direct to mains for proper operation.

BTW, this is quite obvious when comparing rear panels of my previous AVR-3310 v current AVR-3313.
Edited by Iain- - 2/20/13 at 7:48am
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post #5699 of 8284
2/20/13 at 9:27am
When using powered Zone 2 outs on the 2113CI, can Zone 2 be toggled between Stereo and Mono?
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2/20/13 at 11:36am
Hey guys, I posted on this issue a couple of weeks back and thought it went away but the problem came up again...... My setup is a 2113 with Definitive PC600 5.1 system. I have Audyssey running on my AVR, but I shut off the dynamic volume feature as it was all over the place with day to day DirecTV programming.

A couple of weeks back my 2113 went into power down / protection mode while watching Spartacus on Starz at which I thought was a moderate level, around 65 or 66 I believe. I wound up having to go down to 60 or it kept turning off on the louder scenes. I checked all my speaker connects and chalked it up to maybe just being a problem with the TV program.

Last night I was watching Argo at only 62.5 through the VUDU streaming app (HDX quality) and during one of the early riot scenes my unit shut off once again. It was a bit loud, but only to the extent that you would want it to be in a movie like that....

I guess my question is has anyone run into their AVR going into protection mode at such a low volume setting? Or could I have a problem on my hands with the AVR (it's about 3 or 4 months old).

Is dynamic volume a necessary evil when watching content with loud scenes like these to keep my 2113 from shutting off? Very frustrating!!! Thanks in advance for the feedback

-Jason
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