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post #5821 of 8284
2/26/13 at 12:03pm
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Originally Posted by Nuttygambler View Post

Selden Ball: Help a little? NO! They help a lot... Yes the room is on a large loft area of the second floor with open ceiling and a large great room beside it to the lower level.
It is a large area, but I didn't think my old Pioneer was rated much higher... maybe 110 watts... and you could "ROCK THE HOUSE" with movies and dance music.

Using the calculators the amp "should" have enough power to "fill the room" to ear damaging levels with these front speakers.

1) First order of business is to get it to shutoff which won't be hard, and check out that light.

2)Then recheck my cabling... maybe there is a little short somewhere.
Note that with regard to shorts I was intending to refer to the speaker cables, not the HDMI cables.
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My HDMI cables "should" all be from mono and high quality, but maybe in haste a cheapo got used in the line.

3) Then rerun the setup... I may have used Large for front speakers

4) Test it again...

5) Try to determine if the amp is just too small for the room or if it is faulty...
Good luck!
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post #5822 of 8284
2/26/13 at 12:43pm
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Originally Posted by meddler76 View Post

When using powered Zone 2 outs on the 2113CI, can Zone 2 be toggled between Stereo and Mono?

Not on the 2113CI, no as this is only a feature of the 2313CI and 3313CI.

Ok. New plan:

I am trying to power two Zone 2 speakers that are oriented back-to-back serving two adjacent rooms. Because they are facing opposite directions, I need to monaurally downmix the stereo signal to each speaker. My plan is to output the audio from the AVR via the pre-amp outs to an AudioSource AMP-100 auxiliary amplifier. This amp can bridge to mono and it has auto-on ability.

I would also like to be able to control Zone 2 wirelessly via the Denon Remote App and Airplay. My concern is that using the aux amp will prevent me from remotely adjusting the volume via the AVR.

Anyone have thoughts on whether my plan will work?
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post #5823 of 8284
2/26/13 at 5:31pm
Im a little confused on the Zone thing. I know it came set to Zone 2 (3313CI), but I changed it to Main. Im currently only running a 3.1 setup, does it matter if it's Main or Zone 2?

Thanks.
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post #5824 of 8284
2/26/13 at 6:04pm
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Originally Posted by Kurth01 View Post

I have an AVR-1913, an XBOX, a Blu-Ray player, a Verizon Fios box and a Panasonic 42PZ700u plasma. I'm trying to get this all set up with a pair of Turtle Beach XF-4 wireless headphones for gaming or movie watching late at night.

Right now, the XBOX, the Blu-Ray, and the Fios box are all connected to the AVR-1913 HDMI inputs. The Panasonic plasma is connected to the AVR-1913 HDMI output.

The XF-4 basestation has an optical input, an optical output, and RCA (left/right) inputs.

Ideally, I'd like to run a signal optical line out from the AVR-1913 to the XF-4 basestation. I figure that way the wireless headphones will work with all my audio signals coming into the AVR-1913. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find any outputs on the AVR-1913 that aren't HDMI. What am I missing? Is there a way to do this?

My backup plan is to use the optical output on the Panasonic plasma and hook that directly into the XF-4 basestation. If all the components are going into the AVR-1913 with HDMI with ARC and there's an HDMI with ARC going from the AVR-1913 to the Panasonic plasma, doesn't that mean that all the audio going into the receiver is also being sent up to the TV? If that's the case, will an optical out from the TV to the headphones work?

Obviously, I'd prefer to have all signals going into the receiver fed to the headphones with an optical output, but like I said, I just can't seem to find ANY outputs on the AVR-1913 that aren't HDMI.

Any help would be much appreciated! smile.gif

if you want to use your headphones while not using your sound system you can do what i did. i ran the d.optical cable from my x41's to the output on my tv. the xbox and playstation use hdmi to my 3313 and hdmi from there to my TV. when you want to listen to the headphones you turn off the receiver and the sound will bypass the receiver (given that you have turned "hdmi control" ON and put "standby source" as LAST in the video section of the menu) and go to the headphones. this set-up also allows me to use my headphone when just watching tv or watching a movie too.



Goodluck
Edited by flockwood - 2/26/13 at 6:47pm
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post #5825 of 8284
2/27/13 at 7:30am
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Note that with regard to shorts I was intending to refer to the speaker cables, not the HDMI cables.
Good luck!

Well here are the results to date....

A) Yeap... quick flashing red light.

B) HDMI cable was a pretty good one, but not a mono... swapped it out, and although haven't had lots of time on it. Zero dropouts since.

C) Speaker cables and ends all looked good.

D) Reran setup: After changed front from Large to Small, Change Front crossover from 40 to 60, Moved others at 80.

E) Changed receiver to display in -XXdb.

F) Ran tests: Momentary checked that could go go +10db, Returned to zero. Watched fight scene in movie.... Red Flashing light at certain crash
Kept lowering with same scene... Thought it stopped at -8db but still happened at a different scene. So far -10 is about the highest I can go with a movie about the same with hard driving dance music.

Happy I at least seemed to eliminate the dropouts simply by replacing the HDMI cable..

SO! What does that tell me? Should the 1913 shutdown at these levels and 90 efficient speakers? Do I send it in for repairs, or is my area just to big for my current system. My old Pioneer used to drive it hard, before it tired out...

Guess... would like to know if there is a way to tell if the receiver is faulty, or I just have to live with my situation as I've gone over 30 days on the purchase and the price promptly dropped $170 already...
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post #5826 of 8284
2/27/13 at 7:51am
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Originally Posted by Nuttygambler View Post

SO! What does that tell me? Should the 1913 shutdown at these levels and 90 efficient speakers?

I would be looking at all the speakers since you wrote your previous receiver did the same thing.
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post #5827 of 8284
2/27/13 at 8:07am
Simple question hopefully. Does anyone know how to switch the receiver back to "auto-decode" mode for audio?

I was messing with the Movie, Game, Music buttons on the remote and it seems to be remembering those settings when I use those sources.

For instance, when playing a game on the PS3, the receiver reads Virtual instead of automatically detecting the source audio and setting it appropriately. Any way to change it back?

Thanks
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post #5828 of 8284
2/27/13 at 8:08am
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Originally Posted by praz View Post

I would be looking at all the speakers since you wrote your previous receiver did the same thing.

+1
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post #5829 of 8284
2/27/13 at 8:10am
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Originally Posted by dcx4610 View Post

Simple question hopefully. Does anyone know how to switch the receiver back to "auto-decode" mode for audio?

I was messing with the Movie, Game, Music buttons on the remote and it seems to be remembering those settings when I use those sources.

For instance, when playing a game on the PS3, the receiver reads Virtual instead of automatically detecting the source audio and setting it appropriately. Any way to change it back?

Thanks

The AVR will remember the last setting that you used for each format on each input - there is no "auto-decode" feature.
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post #5830 of 8284
2/27/13 at 8:32am
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Originally Posted by Alan P View Post

+1
+2! I recently helped someone setup their 1611. I noticed a major excess of speaker wire going into the slots. I was demoing my sub for him to buy and his system kept shutting down (rapid blinking) during loud scenes on Iron Man. We shortened all of his wires so there was no excess and it worked perfectly after that.
Have you tried banana clips?
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post #5831 of 8284
2/27/13 at 9:53am
I have a 2113. While good for the basics, the remote obviously leaves much to be desired.
Does anyone know whether the upgraded remote from the 3313 will work with the 2113 AVR?
Does that model have illuminated buttons? I really like that feature with my other remotes.

Thanks.
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post #5832 of 8284
2/27/13 at 9:57am
Just got a new 2113ci, loving this AMP very pleased with it, I have one little problem

My cable box (Rogers) is connected via HDMI and it all work fine for video and sound but we have lost the caller ID feature.

When the home phone rings the caller ID would come up on the bottom of the screen if you are watching the cable box.

Now the phone ring the caller ID does not show, if I plug the cable box direct to TV the ID shows, but via the AVR no ID info ?

Not sure how to fix it, and ideas?
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post #5833 of 8284
2/27/13 at 10:16am
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Originally Posted by Doug Nash View Post

I have a 2113. While good for the basics, the remote obviously leaves much to be desired.
Does anyone know whether the upgraded remote from the 3313 will work with the 2113 AVR?
Does that model have illuminated buttons? I really like that feature with my other remotes.

Thanks.

You're money would be better spent towards a harmony or equivalent.
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post #5834 of 8284
2/27/13 at 10:22am
hello all, i have the 3313 and there's a small annoyance. when i enable the front height speakers in any of the 4 modes (music, movie, etc...), it works fine, even after i power off-the FH speakers will be there when i power on again, but when i change to another mode, like from movie to pure, the FH speakers (including audyssey) are disabled. is this normal or there's something i need to do to save that setting? any inputs appreciated.
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post #5835 of 8284
2/27/13 at 10:29am
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Originally Posted by oryan_dunn View Post

You're money would be better spent towards a harmony or equivalent.
+ 1 million
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post #5836 of 8284
2/27/13 at 10:34am
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Originally Posted by MMakoto View Post

hello all, i have the 3313 and there's a small annoyance. when i enable the front height speakers in any of the 4 modes (music, movie, etc...), it works fine, even after i power off-the FH speakers will be there when i power on again, but when i change to another mode, like from movie to pure, the FH speakers (including audyssey) are disabled. is this normal or there's something i need to do to save that setting? any inputs appreciated.

"Pure Direct" mode will only play back the channels available in the source material. Check your manual, page 75.
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post #5837 of 8284
2/27/13 at 10:38am
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Originally Posted by praz View Post

I would be looking at all the speakers since you wrote your previous receiver did the same thing.

Are you suggesting adding them one at a time to see if anything changes? Or is there a "better way" using an amp or voltmeter to "look at them"?

The speakers themselves used to, and still do seem to take whatever the amp is able to give them and sound rock sold. My old Pioneer, owes me nothing, as it got road very hard for big 4th of July BBQ parties as well as many others without ever complaining before it started acting up.

I really think PROTECTION MODE is a problem on these AVRs... as I am not the only one with the issue in private messages and net searches.

ANY way to turn off Protection Mode??? Would rather burn the thing up then deal with this.

Thanks much.
Edited by Nuttygambler - 2/27/13 at 10:45am
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post #5838 of 8284
2/27/13 at 10:58am
^^^^

Sounds like your speakers have been rode pretty hard for a number of years - might not have been your Pionner giving up the ghost after all. smile.gif

You can't disable protection mode, and you wouldn't want to - seriously, could start a fire.
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post #5839 of 8284
2/27/13 at 10:59am
One more thing: are you using the same speaker wires as with the Pioneer? If so, might be worth a shot to swap those out for new ones.
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post #5840 of 8284
2/27/13 at 11:18am
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Im a little confused on the Zone thing. I know it came set to Zone 2 (3313CI), but I changed it to Main. Im currently only running a 3.1 setup, does it matter if it's Main or Zone 2?

Thanks.

What is "it"? You didn't say what setting you changed, we aren't mind readers wink.gif

Are you talking about the Amp Assign setting?
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post #5841 of 8284
2/27/13 at 11:43am
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Originally Posted by Alan P View Post

"Pure Direct" mode will only play back the channels available in the source material. Check your manual, page 75.
ok, maybe my question was a little confusing, so i'll try to explain it again. i enabled my front height speakers in "movie" mode, and when i change to "pure direct" mode and then back to "movie" mode, the front height speakers are no longer enabled, and i had to go into the setup and enable it again. all other audio settings are still there though, but no FH speakers. so my question is, is this normal or there's something i didn't do to save the FH speaker settings?
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post #5842 of 8284
2/27/13 at 12:54pm
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Originally Posted by oryan_dunn View Post

You're money would be better spent towards a harmony or equivalent.

Yeah, thanks. I have thought about that. But to be honest, I've not entirely enjoyed the Harmony remotes I have used in the past. Plus, Logitech is dumping that product, so who knows what's going to happen with future development / support. Plus, I use all the iPhone app goodies (for free) so I'm not entirely looking for a super-universal device. I would just like a slightly better version of the Denon remote, and that's why I'm asking about the compatibility of the one from the 3313.

Cheers.
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post #5843 of 8284
2/27/13 at 1:13pm
First, thanks all for the ton of information on this thread

I got a new 2113 and have set it to 5.1 setup for the main listening room and am using the back surrounds for zone2 speakers on the patio. This setup is working fine for the main zone and zone 2 listening.

I have now connected the Sennheiser RS120 wireless speakers to the pre-outs of the receiver. but I cannot find a way to stream the music to these wireless speakers (as the zone 2 is set to patio speakers). So what should be the receiver settings be set to, so that I can have all three - the main zone (5.1), zone 2 (patio speakers) and wireless speakers (connected to pre-outs) - working simultaneously?
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post #5844 of 8284
2/27/13 at 1:55pm
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Originally Posted by MMakoto View Post

ok, maybe my question was a little confusing, so i'll try to explain it again. i enabled my front height speakers in "movie" mode, and when i change to "pure direct" mode and then back to "movie" mode, the front height speakers are no longer enabled, and i had to go into the setup and enable it again. all other audio settings are still there though, but no FH speakers. so my question is, is this normal or there's something i didn't do to save the FH speaker settings?

You mean that when you switch back to MOVIE mode, the FH speakers are set to NONE in Speaker Setup? Now, that is strange. I have no idea...maybe Batpig or Smoothie will know.
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post #5845 of 8284
2/27/13 at 1:56pm
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Originally Posted by suds2001 View Post

First, thanks all for the ton of information on this thread

I got a new 2113 and have set it to 5.1 setup for the main listening room and am using the back surrounds for zone2 speakers on the patio. This setup is working fine for the main zone and zone 2 listening.

I have now connected the Sennheiser RS120 wireless speakers to the pre-outs of the receiver. but I cannot find a way to stream the music to these wireless speakers (as the zone 2 is set to patio speakers). So what should be the receiver settings be set to, so that I can have all three - the main zone (5.1), zone 2 (patio speakers) and wireless speakers (connected to pre-outs) - working simultaneously?

Huh? The 2113 does not have pre-outs.
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post #5846 of 8284
2/27/13 at 2:18pm
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Originally Posted by Alan P View Post

Huh? The 2113 does not have pre-outs.

The 2113 does have the zone2 pre-outs on the back of the receiver under AUDIO (OUT).
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post #5847 of 8284
2/27/13 at 2:40pm
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Originally Posted by suds2001 View Post

The 2113 does have the zone2 pre-outs on the back of the receiver under AUDIO (OUT).

You are correct sir....I never noticed those connectors, and now that you pointed them out, I looked at the manual but can't find a single reference to their usage. confused.gif
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post #5848 of 8284
2/27/13 at 2:47pm
I can make these pre-outs to work, if I change the settings to 7.1 setup, and then use the wireless headphones on the pre-outs as zone2. But I cannot see any settings whereby I can have 5.1 setup, zone2 patio speakers and these wireless speakers on pre-outs work simultaneously.
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post #5849 of 8284
2/27/13 at 2:53pm
Thread Starter 
So the Zone 2 pre-outs are active when the Amp Assign setting is 7.1, but are NOT active when the Amp Assign setting is Zone 2, correct?

It sounds like the receiver prevents you from using the Zone 2 pre-outs simultaneously with the powered Zone 2 option. That is probably just the way it works.

The step-up 2313 model has a pair of Rec Out pre-outs (Media Player) that are separate from the Zone 2 stuff, so that would do it for you.
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post #5850 of 8284
2/27/13 at 2:54pm
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Originally Posted by MMakoto View Post

ok, maybe my question was a little confusing, so i'll try to explain it again. i enabled my front height speakers in "movie" mode, and when i change to "pure direct" mode and then back to "movie" mode, the front height speakers are no longer enabled, and i had to go into the setup and enable it again. all other audio settings are still there though, but no FH speakers. so my question is, is this normal or there's something i didn't do to save the FH speaker settings?

You mean that when you switch back to MOVIE mode, the FH speakers are set to NONE in Speaker Setup? Now, that is strange. I have no idea...maybe Batpig or Smoothie will know.

No idea honestly. Does it ONLY happen when you go through the PURE button? May just be a quirk of the remote.... besides, not much reason to use the PURE button anyway tongue.gif
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