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post #5911 of 10466
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Originally Posted by chadcj7 View Post

I am really close to pulling the trigger on either a 2313 or 3313 from A4L( Finally got the wife approval). I currently have a central location down in my basement where I have a projector and have zone 2 audio. This is not my concern but I just wanted to give you a little background. My problem comes from a second TV location I will be adding in a back corner of the basement. I know that the 2313 has the capability to output to a zone two but it only supports the highest resolution of the two tv's. I am going to be looking at a 32" tv and most of them now a days in the right price range are only 720p and my projector is 1080p. Because of this I am looking in to the 3313 due to the capability to have a second independent zone. Is this possible to do this and still have the 1080p resolution of the projector while playing the same source and even different sources? I hope that this makes sense

Also I have a mild setup when it comes to speakers (TSi 400, polk center and rears) but am I going to be missing out on not having the XT32 found in the Onkyo 818 and other models? I would love to see what the new models will feature but I want to get ready for the NCAA tourney!

Thank you for help in advance


just thinking about getting the 3313 but would really like to know about the 1080p in one area and zone 2 being only 720p from the same source. Is this possible or not.


Thanks in advance
post #5912 of 10466
Question as mention before should I get the 1612 for $200 2yr Warr (Brand New) or 1613 for $250 1yr warr ( Refurb)... Airplay is not really a factor because my pc will be connected 24/7
post #5913 of 10466
Thread Starter 
What more do you need than the answers I already gave you? confused.gif
post #5914 of 10466
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by chadcj7 View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by chadcj7 View Post

I am really close to pulling the trigger on either a 2313 or 3313 from A4L( Finally got the wife approval). I currently have a central location down in my basement where I have a projector and have zone 2 audio. This is not my concern but I just wanted to give you a little background. My problem comes from a second TV location I will be adding in a back corner of the basement. I know that the 2313 has the capability to output to a zone two but it only supports the highest resolution of the two tv's. I am going to be looking at a 32" tv and most of them now a days in the right price range are only 720p and my projector is 1080p. Because of this I am looking in to the 3313 due to the capability to have a second independent zone. Is this possible to do this and still have the 1080p resolution of the projector while playing the same source and even different sources? I hope that this makes sense

Also I have a mild setup when it comes to speakers (TSi 400, polk center and rears) but am I going to be missing out on not having the XT32 found in the Onkyo 818 and other models? I would love to see what the new models will feature but I want to get ready for the NCAA tourney!

Thank you for help in advance


just thinking about getting the 3313 but would really like to know about the 1080p in one area and zone 2 being only 720p from the same source. Is this possible or not.


Thanks in advance

No, it will not work with both zones on the same source. The HDMI handshake will need to be negotiated for all active devices and the "lowest common denominator" principle will apply.

That said, if the only reason you want to spend extra on the 3313 is to accommodate a second 720p display because you think you can't afford the difference for the 1080p display.... Why not apply the price difference between the two towards the 2nd TV instead? And even if you spring for the 3313 to get the ability to have independent source output for the Tv vs the PJ, I simply can't believe that you can't find a cheap 1080p LCD display, this isn't 2007. LCDs are commoditized and dirt cheap now, if you look on craigslist I guarantee you can find one for you budget. Even new you can get a nice LCD like this for $300.
post #5915 of 10466
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

What more do you need than the answers I already gave you? confused.gif
Just want to really make sure before I order a receiver and get hell in returning it like the last one (8 Calls Later) lol thanks allot I'll do the newer model 1613
post #5916 of 10466
Hey all,

I've been doing a google search and can't find anything. My apologies if I'm asking a redundant question answered in this huge thread. I just received a 2113ci and my TWC cable box works perfectly through the avr but I get nothing with an Xbox plugged into the "Game" port. Is there a way to get pic and sound via HDMI or do I have to connect the HDMI to my Samsung (LN40B650) and run optical back out the receiver.

Thanks in advance.
post #5917 of 10466
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Originally Posted by JC507JC View Post

I had read the answer I'm looking for somewhere in this thread but now I can't find it.

How can I listen to my tv speakers instead of my surround sound on my denon 1613?

Using TV speakers while .......

....the AVR is ON - Set the "HDMI Audio Out" (p. 87 OM) to "TV"

... the AVR is in Standby - Set "HDMI Control" (p. 87 OM) to "ON" and the "Standby Source" (p. 87 OM) set to the source name you want to pass through to the TV(you may also need to set HDMI-CEC on the TV to OFF).
post #5918 of 10466
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Originally Posted by rlg212 View Post

Hey all,

I've been doing a google search and can't find anything. My apologies if I'm asking a redundant question answered in this huge thread. I just received a 2113ci and my TWC cable box works perfectly through the avr but I get nothing with an Xbox plugged into the "Game" port. Is there a way to get pic and sound via HDMI or do I have to connect the HDMI to my Samsung (LN40B650) and run optical back out the receiver.

Thanks in advance.

Ensure the xBox is setup correctly (reset it if previously connected directly to a TV) and also try the other HDMI inputs as well.
post #5919 of 10466
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

No, it will not work with both zones on the same source. The HDMI handshake will need to be negotiated for all active devices and the "lowest common denominator" principle will apply.

That said, if the only reason you want to spend extra on the 3313 is to accommodate a second 720p display because you think you can't afford the difference for the 1080p display.... Why not apply the price difference between the two towards the 2nd TV instead? And even if you spring for the 3313 to get the ability to have independent source output for the Tv vs the PJ, I simply can't believe that you can't find a cheap 1080p LCD display, this isn't 2007. LCDs are commoditized and dirt cheap now, if you look on craigslist I guarantee you can find one for you budget. Even new you can get a nice LCD like this for $300.

Thanks. So it appears that the 2313 will suit what I need to do and not need to jump to a 3313. I also get to save some money and put it towards a TV.


Thanks again
post #5920 of 10466
I got an update for my 1613 this morning. Does anyone know what magic this update brings?
post #5921 of 10466
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Originally Posted by sojodave View Post

I got an update for my 1613 this morning. Does anyone know what magic this update brings?

Check post 6 or the posts on the previous few pages. This has been discussed recently.
post #5922 of 10466
I've checked everywhere on the manual and I'm trying to figure out if its possible to have hdmi control without having the unit going on standby? I don't want it to go on standby because my subwoofer (rw-12d) cannot use its own standby function to turn off automatically.

Also I was wondering if there is a default power on source, like if I power the unit on, it goes to a default source I designate. They have this feature for standby but not for powering the unit on, which baffles me.
post #5923 of 10466
Thread Starter 
No, there is no default power-on source.

I honestly don't understand the first question. Are you saying you never want the receiver to turn off (go on standby)? confused.gif
post #5924 of 10466
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by chadcj7 View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by batpig View Post

No, it will not work with both zones on the same source. The HDMI handshake will need to be negotiated for all active devices and the "lowest common denominator" principle will apply.

That said, if the only reason you want to spend extra on the 3313 is to accommodate a second 720p display because you think you can't afford the difference for the 1080p display.... Why not apply the price difference between the two towards the 2nd TV instead? And even if you spring for the 3313 to get the ability to have independent source output for the Tv vs the PJ, I simply can't believe that you can't find a cheap 1080p LCD display, this isn't 2007. LCDs are commoditized and dirt cheap now, if you look on craigslist I guarantee you can find one for you budget. Even new you can get a nice LCD like this for $300.

Thanks. So it appears that the 2313 will suit what I need to do and not need to jump to a 3313. I also get to save some money and put it towards a TV.


Thanks again

Yes, but just to be clear, the 2313's dual outputs can only play the SAME source. If you require independent sources (i.e. to watch different things on the PJ vs the TV), you need the 3313.
post #5925 of 10466
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Yes, but just to be clear, the 2313's dual outputs can only play the SAME source. If you require independent sources (i.e. to watch different things on the PJ vs the TV), you need the 3313.

I understand that. I know that sound is another tricky part to this equation on the 3313. If i run a different source to the TV can I just use the audio form the TV? Would I possible be able to use zone 2 or 3 to supply the audio?
post #5926 of 10466
Thread Starter 
Well, unless you have additional speakers set up the TV itself would be providing the audio.

With the 2313, the dual monitor output would feed the video signal (same source) to both the PJ and the TV, and the audio would be played on the surround sound system. The TV itself would receive NO audio signal, so you would be dependent on the audio form the surround speakers. You could get audio to the TV by manually changing the "HDMI Audio Out" setting to "TV", but then the surround system would mute and audio would ONLY come from the TV speakers (assuming here that the PJ has no built-in speakers).

With the 3313, if you had the TV hooked up to the HDMI matrix (Zone 2) output, then it WOULD receive an audio signal in addition to the video. So you would hear sound from the TV speakers and the surround speakers in main zone. This is because the matrix output is a separate path, the receiver just passes it through like a matrix switch, without stripping the audio like it does when it processes the HDMI signal in main zone.
post #5927 of 10466
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Well, unless you have additional speakers set up the TV itself would be providing the audio.

With the 2313, the dual monitor output would feed the video signal (same source) to both the PJ and the TV, and the audio would be played on the surround sound system. The TV itself would receive NO audio signal, so you would be dependent on the audio form the surround speakers. You could get audio to the TV by manually changing the "HDMI Audio Out" setting to "TV", but then the surround system would mute and audio would ONLY come from the TV speakers (assuming here that the PJ has no built-in speakers).

With the 3313, if you had the TV hooked up to the HDMI matrix (Zone 2) output, then it WOULD receive an audio signal in addition to the video. So you would hear sound from the TV speakers and the surround speakers in main zone. This is because the matrix output is a separate path, the receiver just passes it through like a matrix switch, without stripping the audio like it does when it processes the HDMI signal in main zone.

Ok that is good to know. Also with that It looks like i will want the 3313 due to the audio I will need even if it is from the speakers. Thank you so much for you help. Off to A4L i go to place an order
post #5928 of 10466
Hi everyone. Been reading through this thread for a while now and had to give-up and post this question.

I just had a new system installed at home and was not involved in the installation. Although things seem to be going well, I'm second-guessing things (since I didn't see it done by the installers).

My system is Oppo-BDP93, Pioneer Kuro Elite panel, Denon 2313 AVR, Motorola HD DVR (comcast) and Golden Ear speakers, surrounds, and sub.

Here's my question: do I need to worry about the image manipulation by the Denon AVR from source material from the Oppo and DVR? Is it better to have the Kuro Elite process the signal and adjust accordingly? Maybe these are 2 separate issues? Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about and was just confused by the AV guy at the local superstore (ABT)....rolleyes.gif

Thanks for your help.

Justin
post #5929 of 10466
@batpig
quote:
No, there is no default power-on source.

I honestly don't understand the first question. Are you saying you never want the receiver to turn off (go on standby)? confused.gif
:end quote


I want the receiver to turn off completely, without the red dot. Standby mode is when the receiver has the red dot when "turned off" from green, correct?
So yea I want hdmi control without the red dot basically. At this point I guess its not possible. Is there any workaround this? I want hdmi control to control the receiver's volume via the tv's remote. But at the same time I want the unit to completely turn off, with no red dot, no standby. since it messes with my subwoofers capability to detect a signal to initiate its own standby/auto power on function.
post #5930 of 10466
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Ensure the xBox is setup correctly (reset it if previously connected directly to a TV) and also try the other HDMI inputs as well.

I did all that and nothing. I called Denon support and we reset the receiver and that fixed it all. Hopefully it's all good now.

Thanks for your help smile.gif
post #5931 of 10466
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by rahkz View Post

@batpig
quote:
No, there is no default power-on source.

I honestly don't understand the first question. Are you saying you never want the receiver to turn off (go on standby)? confused.gif
:end quote


I want the receiver to turn off completely, without the red dot. Standby mode is when the receiver has the red dot when "turned off" from green, correct?
So yea I want hdmi control without the red dot basically. At this point I guess its not possible. Is there any workaround this? I want hdmi control to control the receiver's volume via the tv's remote. But at the same time I want the unit to completely turn off, with no red dot, no standby. since it messes with my subwoofers capability to detect a signal to initiate its own standby/auto power on function.

OK, got it. The confusion is that in both cases the receiver is in "standby", the only way to power off completely is to unplug it. The red dot just indicates that the HDMI Control is on and certain circuits are still active while it is in standby.

So, in short, the answer to your question is NO, when HDMI Control is enabled it will still draw some additional power and the red dot will be lit.
post #5932 of 10466
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Originally Posted by MMakoto View Post

ok, maybe my question was a little confusing, so i'll try to explain it again. i enabled my front height speakers in "movie" mode, and when i change to "pure direct" mode and then back to "movie" mode, the front height speakers are no longer enabled, and i had to go into the setup and enable it again. all other audio settings are still there though, but no FH speakers. so my question is, is this normal or there's something i didn't do to save the FH speaker settings?

Typically, settings are remembered for each input you can select, and for each mode underneath them. The most common cause for it not remembering, at least based on my own experience and from reading these threads, is use of the "Quick Select" buttons, which are very convenient but have their own full memory for everything.

So if you use, say, "Quick Select 2" to activate your DVR input, and turned on the height speakers, switching away and then using the quick select button again will lose that setting.

If you want memory, you have two choices: You can press and hold the quick select button for a few seconds to remember the current settings until the next time you want to change them. You can also avoid quick select and just use the input selector dial or remote buttons. Doing that will go back to the last used settings for that input.
post #5933 of 10466
If i'm wanting to watch and listen to TV in zone 1 and watch and listen to something else (either a dvd or different tv channel from another stb) in zone 2- do I need the 3313 or will the 3312 work?
post #5934 of 10466
Hmmmmm.. A question.

Today I finally got my hands on my new Denon AVR 3313. I used to have a perfectly fine Denon AVR 1713.
Now all of a sudden with this new upgrade, the sound from my TV which goes through HDMI to (and from with ARC) the Denon AVR 3313 is skipping in the sound for like 0,5secs, when the TV is on a regular or HD channel. This does not happen when I watch movies through USB or a PC.
Does anyone have any clue how to sort this out? It is really annoying, because it happens ~4 times per minute?!

Setup:
Denon AVR 3313
Desktop with AMD Radeon HD 7870
Samsung Smart TV series 7000 (2011 model I believe)

It would be a huge help if someone could help me sort this out.
In advance: Thanks a lot!
post #5935 of 10466
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Originally Posted by rahkz View Post

@batpig
quote:
No, there is no default power-on source.

I honestly don't understand the first question. Are you saying you never want the receiver to turn off (go on standby)? confused.gif
:end quote


I want the receiver to turn off completely, without the red dot. Standby mode is when the receiver has the red dot when "turned off" from green, correct?
So yea I want hdmi control without the red dot basically. At this point I guess its not possible. Is there any workaround this? I want hdmi control to control the receiver's volume via the tv's remote. But at the same time I want the unit to completely turn off, with no red dot, no standby. since it messes with my subwoofers capability to detect a signal to initiate its own standby/auto power on function.

A couple things to keep in mind ... the "red dot" will appear when either HDMI Control or IP Control is set to ON and second, if your sub isn't shutting off with 10-15 minutes of the AVR going to Standby mode when set to "Auto", there may be something wrong with your sub.
post #5936 of 10466
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Originally Posted by ktex View Post

If i'm wanting to watch and listen to TV in zone 1 and watch and listen to something else (either a dvd or different tv channel from another stb) in zone 2- do I need the 3313 or will the 3312 work?

Depends on how you want to connect the Zone 2 source. The 3312CI can only pass either an analog or PCM 2.0 optical/digital coax audio source and composite video source to Zone 2 while the 3313CI can pass either an HDMI audio/video source or component video/analog audio source to Zone 2.
post #5937 of 10466
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Originally Posted by Lykias View Post

Hmmmmm.. A question.

Today I finally got my hands on my new Denon AVR 3313. I used to have a perfectly fine Denon AVR 1713.
Now all of a sudden with this new upgrade, the sound from my TV which goes through HDMI to (and from with ARC) the Denon AVR 3313 is skipping in the sound for like 0,5secs, when the TV is on a regular or HD channel. This does not happen when I watch movies through USB or a PC.
Does anyone have any clue how to sort this out? It is really annoying, because it happens ~4 times per minute?!

Setup:
Denon AVR 3313
Desktop with AMD Radeon HD 7870
Samsung Smart TV series 7000 (2011 model I believe)

It would be a huge help if someone could help me sort this out.
In advance: Thanks a lot!

You may be better served using optical from the TV as the HDMI(ARC) is likely limited to only 2.0 as well as causing the current issue.
post #5938 of 10466
I have a 1913 connected to my network via Ethernet, and I can connect to the AVR from my IPad but when I try to get onto Sirius, or even check for a firmware update the connection times out? Any ideas as to why I can't get out to the Internet on this thing? Although I can get on to Internet radio and listen to stations. On my 4520 the sirius works fine?

Thanks
post #5939 of 10466
If you changed the IP Control setting to "Always ON", try setting it back to the factory default of "Off in Standby".
post #5940 of 10466
Ok, tried that, now everything in network keeps saying connection down, and my network is fine.
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