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Thread Starter 
Good point, Spotify is only on the xx13 models (1913 and up) so the 2113ci looks like the winner.
post #6812 of 10465
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Good point, Spotify is only on the xx13 models (1913 and up) so the 2113ci looks like the winner.

Which brings me back to analog-only from my computer. Well crap, it's always something. mad.gif

Thanks again to you both for the clarification.
post #6813 of 10465
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Just to be clear -- Airplay requires a SOURCE for the music that you are streaming. That means somewhere an iTunes package must be active, either music hosted on a PC or on a mobile device (e.g. iPhone or iPad). If there is nothing to stream from, it won't work.

Since there is no music on the phone itself, you are using the iPhone simply as a "remote" to control a networked iTunes library. Assuming that iTunes is active, the iPhone should find the library and then you can start streaming, and it will wake the receiver up and start playing.

If the PC isn't on, or iTunes isn't active, there is nothing to stream from.

it's easy enough to put a few playlists on your iPhone or iPad, or attach an iPod via USB... cool.gif
post #6814 of 10465
Thread Starter 
Sure, but I was answering the guy's specific question in context smile.gif
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

it's easy enough to put a few playlists on your iPhone or iPad, or attach an iPod via USB... cool.gif

Sancho and BatPig...

I appreciate both responses, thank you. This is what I figured would be the case, from my meager knowledge of airplay. A few posts back JD advised that I could also do something via DLNA... Could you explain that to me, or point me in the right direction for some more info. My understanding of DLNA is that it's not "Apple-compatible". How would I stream my itunes library via DLNA?

My apologies if these are silly questions. I'm learning so much from this forum, yet I have so much to learn still. Thanks!
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Also... I have an IPhone 4 with very limited space for a playlist smile.gif
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Good point, Spotify is only on the xx13 models (1913 and up) so the 2113ci looks like the winner.

Sorry Batpig, lets see if I have this straight.
  • The 1713 has zone 2 preouts, but no Spotify.
  • The 1913 has Spotify, but no zone 2 preouts.
  • The 2113CI is the only one that has both.

Is anyone aware of plans for firmware upgrade of 1713 to eventually support Spotify?

Does anyone have equivalent information on Marantz that might fulfill my requirements? I'll go there now...

Hard to believe I'm about to spend $400 (refurbished) so that my wife can listen to Incubus radio. rolleyes.gif
post #6818 of 10465
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Originally Posted by MJRHARTLEY View Post

Sancho and BatPig...

I appreciate both responses, thank you. This is what I figured would be the case, from my meager knowledge of airplay. A few posts back JD advised that I could also do something via DLNA... Could you explain that to me, or point me in the right direction for some more info. My understanding of DLNA is that it's not "Apple-compatible". How would I stream my itunes library via DLNA?

My apologies if these are silly questions. I'm learning so much from this forum, yet I have so much to learn still. Thanks!

Disregard. I am now researching DLNA servers and players. I don't quite understand it yet, but I'm getting there.

Thanks all!
post #6819 of 10465
have had good luck with DLNA provided everything is WIRED
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

have had good luck with DLNA provided everything is WIRED

What I'm having a hard time understanding is this... I have my Itunes library in itunes on my pc. I don't have room to store my itunes library (or even part of it) on my iphone. If I could do that I would just use airplay to stream to my denon from my iphone. What I'm trying to figure out how to do is stream my library through either method on the denon, without having to use the PC as the source. I just want to be able to go into an app on my iphone, press a few buttons and start streaming. It's starting to seem as though I can't do that, because my iphone can't function as the source. What a bummer.

Thanks!
post #6821 of 10465
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by MJRHARTLEY View Post

What I'm trying to figure out how to do is stream my library through either method on the denon, without having to use the PC as the source

The music has to come from SOMEWHERE. If you don't want to use the PC as the source, and you don't have the music on the iPhone, where is the music supposed to come from? confused.gif

Obviously there are network streaming options like Pandora or Spotify but that won't work for your local music collection.

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I just want to be able to go into an app on my iphone, press a few buttons and start streaming. It's starting to seem as though I can't do that, because my iphone can't function as the source. What a bummer.

You can definitely do that, but again there has to be a SOURCE for the music. As long as iTunes is running on the PC then it will work fine. Not sure I understand what your objection to this is?

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A few posts back JD advised that I could also do something via DLNA... Could you explain that to me, or point me in the right direction for some more info. My understanding of DLNA is that it's not "Apple-compatible". How would I stream my itunes library via DLNA?

You wouldn't. DLNA won't solve your problem, it's just an alternative streaming method that's an more open protocol. A simplification, but the easiest way to think about it is that Airplay is Apple's proprietary version of DLNA. If you are going to use iTunes / apple products there is no benefit to using DLNA instead of Airplay.
post #6822 of 10465
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Good point, Spotify is only on the xx13 models (1913 and up) so the 2113ci looks like the winner.

Sorry Batpig, lets see if I have this straight.
  • The 1713 has zone 2 preouts, but no Spotify.
  • The 1913 has Spotify, but no zone 2 preouts.
  • The 2113CI is the only one that has both.

Is anyone aware of plans for firmware upgrade of 1713 to eventually support Spotify?

Yeah, you've basically got it. On the xx13 models Denon only added Spotify via firmware update on the 1913 and up. The 1713 will never get Spotify AFAIK. The newer Denon models coming out this year have Spotify all the way down to the cheapest network model (E300, equivalent of the 1613) but the Zone 2 pre-outs again won't happen until you get to the 2113 equivalent.

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Does anyone have equivalent information on Marantz that might fulfill my requirements? I'll go there now...

Not sure about the Marantz models, but they are essentially parallel clones of Denon receivers so I imagine you will get a similar situation.

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Hard to believe I'm about to spend $400 (refurbished) so that my wife can listen to Incubus radio. rolleyes.gif

Out of curiosity have you explored alternative streaming options for Pandora/Spotify? You don't have to use the built-in functions of a receiver. For example maybe a networked Blu-ray player or media box (like WDTV) would have these features? Or the PC? I don't know a lot about the Squeezebox but other dedicated streaming options like Sonos do offer Pandora etc. If you were able to get an alternative source for Pandora/Spotify then you could use any receiver.

The built-in solution on the receiver does offer the simplicity of consolidated control from a smartphone app though.
post #6823 of 10465
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

Thanks Batpig. The 4520 is a bit pricey for what I want. I don't need 7 channels, but I do want the flexibility of connecting an amp for zone 2 speakers if I want, so it's looking like the 2113 is the base model. I'll look further into the capabilities of the 3312CI as well, it's a must that Pandora & Spotify are onboard for wife and daughter (controlled via Android). I can work around the analog-only limitation and stream my digital collection through the squeezebox RCA input, but this eliminates my beloved Foobar2000 library and Android app. If I can keep my computer connected (optical connection) with 3312 that would be golden.

One of these days I'm going to get to buy you a beer. You've earned it!

If you only want a 2.1 setup in the main zone, why not use the Amp Assign channels on the 1913 for Zone 2?

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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post


Is anyone aware of plans for firmware upgrade of 1713 to eventually support Spotify?

Does anyone have equivalent information on Marantz that might fulfill my requirements? I'll go there now...

Hard to believe I'm about to spend $400 (refurbished) so that my wife can listen to Incubus radio. rolleyes.gif

1. Not likely, no, although Spotify has moved down to the current lowest level networking model, the E300.
2. The 1603 is the lowest model Marantz with Zone 2 capability (via Amp Assign like the 1913).
Edited by jdsmoothie - 4/2/13 at 2:10pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Out of curiosity have you explored alternative streaming options for Pandora/Spotify? You don't have to use the built-in functions of a receiver. For example maybe a networked Blu-ray player or media box (like WDTV) would have these features? Or the PC? I don't know a lot about the Squeezebox but other dedicated streaming options like Sonos do offer Pandora etc. If you were able to get an alternative source for Pandora/Spotify then you could use any receiver.

The built-in solution on the receiver does offer the simplicity of consolidated control from a smartphone app though.

You got it. Convenience is the factor. I can stream whatever I want through the Logitech Squeezebox but this is another device for the ladies to have to wade through. If it's not simple I get nasty looks and with the amount of money I spend on gear... you get the picture smile.gif There's also the minor issue of preferring to use the receiver DAC over either Squeezebox or computer sound card.
post #6825 of 10465
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Originally Posted by skipcourt View Post

OK, brand new avr-1913 to replace an old Harmon Kardon with no HDMI. Blu-Ray and Comcast Cable Box, new Panasonic TV, NO VIDEO at all, any source.....

Tried a different TV, nada, tried diff hdmi cable, nada, did factory reset, nada, tried diff poer on combinations, nada

Am I missing something here? I have walked thru all of the video related settings I can find and really don't see anything related to the HDMI Out.

The TV just keeps displayng the message that no source is connected. Both TVs work fine if I connect B-Ray directly........

Just doesn't seem kije this should be rocket science. There is only 1 HDMI out on the unit, How in the world can it have an issue knowing where to send the signal?

Try cycling the HDMI Control setting ON/OFF/ON/OFF ... power OFF the AVR, then power back ON again. If still no joy, then give the HDMI reset procedure in the post a try for each device.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_L11
post #6826 of 10465
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

If you only want a 2.1 setup in the main zone, why not use the Amp Assign channels on the 1913 for Zone 2?

Due to a nasty speaker addiction the option of using an external amp is a nice to have. With my current setup it's not a big issue (Kef Q300) but in 6 months who knows? I'm already eyeing a pair of 5 ohm ( eek.gif ) speakers.

Thanks for weighing in, appreciate the help!
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

The music has to come from SOMEWHERE. If you don't want to use the PC as the source, and you don't have the music on the iPhone, where is the music supposed to come from? confused.gif

Obviously there are network streaming options like Pandora or Spotify but that won't work for your local music collection.
You can definitely do that, but again there has to be a SOURCE for the music. As long as iTunes is running on the PC then it will work fine. Not sure I understand what your objection to this is?
You wouldn't. DLNA won't solve your problem, it's just an alternative streaming method that's an more open protocol. A simplification, but the easiest way to think about it is that Airplay is Apple's proprietary version of DLNA. If you are going to use iTunes / apple products there is no benefit to using DLNA instead of Airplay.

Understood, on all counts. Basically, I always have my phone on me, I always have the receiver on (when I'm home), but I only ever turn on the PC when I want to use it. So not being able to store my library on my phone I will just have to get used to having itunes up and the pc on. No big deal, really. I appreciate the assistance, and thank you for just verifying what I suspected was the case. I do understand what you're saying, I needed to make sure there wasn't something I was missing, as there seems to be some times smile.gif.

Bare with me, I'm sure it won't be my last annoying question on this thread. Thanks again!
post #6828 of 10465
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Originally Posted by MJRHARTLEY View Post

What I'm having a hard time understanding is this... I have my Itunes library in itunes on my pc. I don't have room to store my itunes library (or even part of it) on my iphone. If I could do that I would just use airplay to stream to my denon from my iphone. What I'm trying to figure out how to do is stream my library through either method on the denon, without having to use the PC as the source. I just want to be able to go into an app on my iphone, press a few buttons and start streaming. It's starting to seem as though I can't do that, because my iphone can't function as the source. What a bummer.

Thanks!
I could be wrong, but I thought there was a way to stream your iTunes library to your phone. Either via the cloud or possibly across the network.
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Streaming across the network still requires some file server to be powered on. If you have only the one computer acting as the file server, well, you're stuck.

However, you might consider plugging an external USB disk directly into the USB port. Check the receiver's manual for the supported file formats, though. Power is limited, so you might need to use an external powered USB hub if the disk draws more than about 0.5 amps over its USB connection.
post #6830 of 10465
Thread Starter 
Streaming TO the phone doesn't really help, as it would still require the computer to be on because there has to be an iTunes library to stream from.

I guess he could explore a cloud based solution where his personal music is hosted on iCloud or something, but my understanding is that you can't stream FROM iCloud to an iPhone, it just allows you to sync your music across multiple devices.
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Originally Posted by JasonT35 View Post



Yes good point. I thought the blu ray audios I was interested in were 192,but they are 96 actually.

They do sound pretty darn good.

Then again it's debatable that. Humans can hear anything past 48/16.
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So if I set crossovers on my mains at 80hz, and leave the lfe at 120hz then I will still get bass frequencies up to 120 then rolloff from there correct? Or 100hz then rolloff from there? For example it won't cut off the sub after 80hz right? I don't think audyssey works that way but I heard pioneer will cut a sub at 80hz with their global crossover setting...

Basically the sub will act independent based on the lfe crossover...
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Could someone expand a bit on the Denon Spotify experience? I'm considering switching from Pandora to Spotify in order to be able to select more specific song and artist options. How well does the Denon app work with the Iphone app? etc... What's your experience? pros/cons?

Thanks much!
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Nevermind, stupid question. Guess I'm just learning Denon-ese.
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So if I set crossovers on my mains at 80hz, and leave the lfe at 120hz then I will still get bass frequencies up to 120 then rolloff from there correct? Or 100hz then rolloff from there? For example it won't cut off the sub after 80hz right? I don't think audyssey works that way but I heard pioneer will cut a sub at 80hz with their global crossover setting...

Basically the sub will act independent based on the lfe crossover...

There are two sets of signals to consider ... the LFE (or .1 in DD/DTS 5.1) in which the LPF for LFE applies and is set to 120Hz on the AVR to allow the full range LFE signal (20Hz to 120Hz) to pass to the sub and the speaker "crossovers" which "cross over" the lower end of the full range speaker frequencies (20Hz to 20Khz) to the sub. The speaker "crossovers" can be set independently for each "set" of speakers, FL/FR, C, SL/SR, SBL/SBR.
post #6836 of 10465
As has been noted before in this thread, Monoprice has a "branded" 5.1 setup for a reduced price and now Amazon has the Monoprice setup on an even better sale for anyone looking for an inexpensive, but quality 5.1 setup especially for smaller rooms.....

http://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-5-1-Channel-Satellite-Speakers-Subwoofer/dp/B007YLQUWK
Edited by jdsmoothie - 4/3/13 at 3:14am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

As has been noted before in this thread, Monoprice has a "branded" 5.1 setup for a reduced price and now Amazon has the Monoprice setup on an even better sale for anyone looking for an inexpensive, but quality 5.1 setup especially for smaller rooms.....

http://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-5-1-Channel-Satellite-Speakers-Subwoofer/dp/B007YLQUWK

I purchased one of those sets a couple weeks ago, haven't had time to set it up yet, hopefully this weekend. I'm hoping it will sound better (and I'm sure it will) than the Bloze system it's replacing.
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I'm really torn on that. On one hand, all I currently have is a pair of B652's (which work great with the Lepai, we'll see with a real amp) and an old pair of Lloyd's that are blown and I haven't determined whether they're worth getting reconed (these are also at the beach cabin, an hour each way and we can't fit both in the car we have). If they are, then I'll just live in 2.0 for awhile and add-on piece by piece (sub, center, surround was the order someone recommended). If they're not and I do opt for the Monoprice, I can live with the 652's as my 6 & 7 or as a Zone 2.

I hate to throw away $100 on something that I probably won't have for long, but I also hate wasting the potential of a decent amp.
post #6839 of 10465
So I purchased a 2313 about a month ago and am loving it. Finally got my surround lines run and then ran Audyssey again and WOW! Everything is sounding great! Until now I was mostly just watching movies as this system was a vast improvement from my last setup and Movies is where the setup really shines.

Well, with the NCAA tournament I began watching more HDTV (DirecTV) and I began to notice that i was getting hiccup (Video and Audio both skip about a half second) ever couple of seconds (about 10 seconds) when watching the DirecTV through my receiver. Simple solution at the time was to run the HDMI directly to the TV and then run an optical cable to the receiver. Since we had people over at the time, the quick fix was necessary and it worked well. I stole the optical audio cable that was connecting my computer to the receiver to get it working. But now when I want to get audio from my computer I have to switch the audio cable back or get a second cable. I know the cables are cheap and it would probably be better to have a spare on hand in case one craps out on me but that's a whole other conversation.

Now that I have more time to troubleshoot I started looking into the issue and see if it's something that can be fixed or will have I have to work with my current fix as a permanent solution. All I can find is that TV provider boxes seem to have HDMI handshake problems. I've found nothing else even remotely related to the situation described.

Questions:
Does my issue sound like a handshake issue?
Will a receiver reset be of any help? (I haven't done this yet because I dont have my settings backed up yet but that will happen very soon as to not loose my settings.)
My DTV box is rather old (H24?), would an upgrade to the box be of any help?
I was already considering getting the DTV Genie, would that box have better HDMI handshake ?
Anyone else having similar issues?
Is there other ideas on things to try?

Thanks,
John
post #6840 of 10465
I'd try resetting the DirecTV box 1st
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