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RIght .... which is why I highlighted the word "call". wink.gif
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What do you guys think is more important? 1080p up scaling or MultiEQ XT? And would the 1080p up scaling work on my PC monitor? That's my dilemma right now.

I'm trying to decide between the 1913 and the 1713. Their both about the same price.
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Originally Posted by ShadowJ20 View Post

What do you guys think is more important? 1080p up scaling or MultiEQ XT? That's my dilemma right now.

I'm trying to decide between the 1913 and the 1713. Their both about the same price.

XT. I just dont see a point in a scaling AVR.
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

RIght .... which is why I highlighted the word "call". wink.gif

/facepalm
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Well you were right. I called AVScience.com and he said his list price is $519 instead of $649. However he thought there was a price reduction. He is going to email me about it tomorrow.
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Well after through much thinking and researching I've decided to go with the Denon 1713. I got it at World Wide Stereo for about 380.00 shipped.
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Is Audssey Mult EQ XT worth an extra 90 dollars?

The best 90 you could spend

http://www.audyssey.com/audio-technology/multeq
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Got another question, I plan on a home theater PC setup with the Denon 1713, let's say I'm surfing the web and wanted to play a video (like from youtube) would I be able to get sound?
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Originally Posted by ShadowJ20 View Post

Well after through much thinking and researching I've decided to go with the Denon 1713. I got it at World Wide Stereo for about 380.00 shipped.
Noooooo! You can get the 1913 for $400 from Crutchfield amongst others.
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Originally Posted by ShadowJ20 View Post

Got another question, I plan on a home theater PC setup with the Denon 1713, let's say I'm surfing the web and wanted to play a video (like from youtube) would I be able to get sound?
Depends on how you're connecting it.
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Originally Posted by Ryan25 View Post

Depends on how you're connecting it.

What type of connection is required in order to get sound?
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Originally Posted by Ryan25 View Post

Noooooo! You can get the 1913 for $400 from Crutchfield amongst others.

I'm not going for a 7.1. And I chose the XT over the up scaling. That's why I went for the 1713.
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Originally Posted by ShadowJ20 View Post

What type of connection is required in order to get sound?
If you have HDMI, then it's pretty easy. If you use RGB, you'll need to run a seperate audio cable.
post #7064 of 10457
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Originally Posted by ShadowJ20 View Post

I'm not going for a 7.1. And I chose the XT over the up scaling. That's why I went for the 1713.
Fair enough.

To me, 2nd Zone and upscaling (for some strange reason) was more important. To each his own!
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I recently upgraded from a 2310CI to a 3313CI. I use multi channel stereo the majority of the time for watching TV, as my room has 17' ceilings which makes dialog very hard to hear clearly. The only time I like to use it without multi channel stereo is when we watch a Bluray movie, in which case I want the original TrueHD or DTS-HD soundtrack. With the 2310CI it differentiates and remembers my sound settings for regular Dolby Digital and TrueHD/DTS-HD - multi channel stereo would be in use for all signals other than TrueHD and DTS-HD. It does not do that with the 3313 - whatever sound mode I happen to be using with Dolby Digital, it will be the sound mode it uses when I switch to a HD soundtrack with Bluray.

I also replaced an AVR-591 in my other room with a 1913. It is doing the same thing there.

I remember with the older models there's an information screen that summarizes what sound mode is used with what input signal. I'm not seeing that screen with the xx13 models. Did Denon do away with that or is there something I'm missing?
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Are you sure there is NO sound coming out or is just soft? Have you actually gone up to the speaker and listened closely? Surround info can sometimes be subtle.
Yep you're right. I listened at low volume originally, so that's probably why I couldn't hear it.
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Originally Posted by wowubbzy View Post

I recently upgraded from a 2310CI to a 3313CI. I use multi channel stereo the majority of the time for watching TV, as my room has 17' ceilings which makes dialog very hard to hear clearly. The only time I like to use it without multi channel stereo is when we watch a Bluray movie, in which case I want the original TrueHD or DTS-HD soundtrack. With the 2310CI it differentiates and remembers my sound settings for regular Dolby Digital and TrueHD/DTS-HD - multi channel stereo would be in use for all signals other than TrueHD and DTS-HD. It does not do that with the 3313 - whatever sound mode I happen to be using with Dolby Digital, it will be the sound mode it uses when I switch to a HD soundtrack with Bluray.

I also replaced an AVR-591 in my other room with a 1913. It is doing the same thing there.

I remember with the older models there's an information screen that summarizes what sound mode is used with what input signal. I'm not seeing that screen with the xx13 models. Did Denon do away with that or is there something I'm missing?

Yes, the "Auto Surround" screen is gone now. The principle is still the same, they just took away the info screen from the GUI.

Typically Denon memorizes surround modes by input signal "family", e.g 2 channel signals vs. multich. I never noticed this difference (also having gone from a 2310 to an xx13 model) because I would only potentially use multich stereo with a stereo input, never a 5.1 dolby digital input.

Here's a couple of suggestions:

1. on the xx13 models, the surround mode buttons (Movie, Music, Game) can be used to memorize a "favorite" surround to each button for quick recall, as described on my website here. What you can do is set the "Movie" button to be the standard decoding for a multich signal, and then set the "Music" or "Game" button to be MultiCH Stereo. Then you can switch easily with one button.

2. the superior option IMO is to just turn off Dolby Digital output for your cable box and set it to 2ch stereo output. Since you are using multich stereo as the surround mode there is no advantage to having it output the 5.1 DD audio. Then the input signal type will be from a different "family" than the multich audio from Blu-rays, and the auto-surround memorization should work correctly.
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Yes, the "Auto Surround" screen is gone now. The principle is still the same, they just took away the info screen from the GUI.

Typically Denon memorizes surround modes by input signal "family", e.g 2 channel signals vs. multich. I never noticed this difference (also having gone from a 2310 to an xx13 model) because I would only potentially use multich stereo with a stereo input, never a 5.1 dolby digital input.

Here's a couple of suggestions:

1. on the xx13 models, the surround mode buttons (Movie, Music, Game) can be used to memorize a "favorite" surround to each button for quick recall, as described on my website here. What you can do is set the "Movie" button to be the standard decoding for a multich signal, and then set the "Music" or "Game" button to be MultiCH Stereo. Then you can switch easily with one button.

2. the superior option IMO is to just turn off Dolby Digital output for your cable box and set it to 2ch stereo output. Since you are using multich stereo as the surround mode there is no advantage to having it output the 5.1 DD audio. Then the input signal type will be from a different "family" than the multich audio from Blu-rays, and the auto-surround memorization should work correctly.

It's no big deal really, to deselect multi-ch stereo when I watch a movie, I just wanted to make sure it's not something that I'm missing. The older models definitely treated TrueHD/DTS-HD as a separate family of input signal as I never had to manually deselect multi-ch stereo when I switched to a TrueHD/DTS-HD program. The nice thing about Denon's multi channel stereo is that when used with a 5.1 source, as far as I can tell, only the L/C/R channels are sent to the surround speakers and not vice versa, so there's still a bit of a surround effect.

That is a great suggestion though, I was about to do that when I realized what I said above about still having a bit of surround effect, so I would prefer to leave it to output DD 5.1. I might try a variation of your suggestion - run a separate optical audio cable just for TV watching and set that as the default audio source, and see if the receiver will remember the HDMI audio signal sound mode separately.

BTW my sole source to the 3313 receiver is the HTPC. WAY overkill for my use. Yeah I went way overboard but I got the 3313, but it was a can't-say-no deal I got at Best Buy. All I need is the 1613 - my reason to upgrade from the 2310 and 591 was for the network capability. I only moved up to the 1913 for my other room as I need the component video connection there. After reading your post from a while back, about how you couldn't tell the difference in sound quality between the 1713 and 3313 (which I had long suspect would be the case, but nice to get a confirmation from an expert here), I am seriously thinking about downgrading the 3313 to a 1613 and pocket the difference.
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Hello, I just tried my old iPod classic connected to the 1913 exactly as you described and same result - no sound. Were you able to sort this out? Thanks!
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I just tried my iPhone 4 on my 1913. I had to switch to the iPod input first, then hook up my iPhone. After that I was able to play music.
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Originally Posted by gozu View Post

Thank you for the info. I bought a harmony a few years back; it worked but it was imperfect. I see that the current models retail for $200-300. That's a little too expensive for my taste. I'll just have to wait until an iPhone app (inevitably) does it.

I recently bought a Harmony 700 refurb for $70. Looks and works like brand new and is rechargeable. It's a step above the 650. I have programmed everything into it including my 1913, a Roku, DVD player, TV, and Cisco DVR (Uverse). I wasn't sure I would like or use it - but it's quite good. It works flawlessly with the exception that even with delays I cannot quite get it all the way into Pandora. I still need to use a favorite to bring it all the way to the exact channel I want within Pandora (or navigate to it once it's all connected.

I am not sure if I am allowed to say where I got it but its one of the big online retailers that also has brick and mortar stores still. Looks like they are still available for that price.
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I just bought a 1713 for $339.94 shipped to replace my Onkyo 709 that had the famous 'Onkyo HDMI board failure'. On paper the 1713 fits my needs perfectly.........5.1, no video conversion and Audyssey XT. It's my first Denon, and I hope my experience is loads better than my first and last (ever) Onkyo. I'll post my thoughts in the upcoming days once I get some time with the unit.


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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Typically Denon memorizes surround modes by input signal "family", e.g 2 channel signals vs. multich.

With my 709 and DirecTV the following was true. DTV has 3 audio sources: 2 channel PCM which I used 'Multi Channel Stereo' as the default, DD 2.0 which I used 'Dolby PLII' as the default and of course DD 5.1 which I used 'Straight Decode' as the default. I really liked that setup because if I tuned to a music channel in the 800s, it was PCM 2.0 and I enjoyed Multi Channel Stereo, and if I tuned to any other channel, I either got DPLII or straight 5.1 depending on the source, and I never had to lift a finger, as once I set it up, it was all automatic.

My question is, will the 1713 act like this, or does it simply set a 'surround mode' for a source and keep it there regardless of the input signal, so I will constantly have to reach for the remote when I change the channel?
Edited by D Bone - 4/10/13 at 10:47pm
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My 2113 (which should be the same as 1713 in this respect) keeps track automatically of the signal received: in most tv channels on the AVR display it says 'multichannel stereo', but on the few channels which I know broadcast in dolby digital it says 'dd'.
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Originally Posted by D Bone View Post

I just bought a 1713 for $339.94 shipped to replace my Onkyo 709 that had the famous 'Onkyo HDMI board failure'. On paper the 1713 fits my needs perfectly.........5.1, no video conversion and Audyssey XT. It's my first Denon, and I hope my experience is loads better than my first and last (ever) Onkyo. I'll post my thoughts in the upcoming days once I get some time with the unit.
With my 709 and DirecTV the following was true. DTV has 3 audio sources: 2 channel PCM which I used 'Multi Channel Stereo' as the default, DD 2.0 which I used 'Dolby PLII' as the default and of course DD 5.1 which I used 'Straight Decode' as the default. I really liked that setup because if I tuned to a music channel in the 800s, it was PCM 2.0 and I enjoyed Multi Channel Stereo, and if I tuned to any other channel, I either got DPLII or straight 5.1 depending on the source, and I never had to lift a finger, as once I set it up, it was all automatic.

My question is, will the 1713 act like this, or does it simply set a 'surround mode' for a source and keep it there regardless of the input signal, so I will constantly have to reach for the remote when I change the channel?

Yes it will remember your sound settings based on whether it's DD 2.0, DD5.1, PCM. So when you tune your DTV to different channels with different audio signal, it will remember multi-ch for PCM, straight decode for DD 5.1, and PLII for DD 2.0.

What I noticed is it no longer differentiates between DD5.1 and TrueHD. It used to with the older models, so now when I watch a Bluray with HD soundtracks I'd have to switch off multi-ch stereo manually and back on when I go back to watching TV.
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Originally Posted by wowubbzy View Post

Yes it will remember your sound settings based on whether it's DD 2.0, DD5.1, PCM. So when you tune your DTV to different channels with different audio signal, it will remember multi-ch for PCM, straight decode for DD 5.1, and PLII for DD 2.0.

What I noticed is it no longer differentiates between DD5.1 and TrueHD. It used to with the older models, so now when I watch a Bluray with HD soundtracks I'd have to switch off multi-ch stereo manually and back on when I go back to watching TV.

I thought it memorized the settings on a per-input basis. Aren't your Blu-Ray and TV two separate inputs on the AVR?
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Originally Posted by MarkEHansen View Post

I thought it memorized the settings on a per-input basis. Aren't your Blu-Ray and TV two separate inputs on the AVR?

I'm pretty sure it remembers settings based on audio signal and input sources. I only have a single source to my receiver, an HTPC that does it all. Yes really a waste not using the 3313 multi zone source routing capabilities, which is why I'm considering downgrading to a 1613 and put the difference back in my pocket.
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Thread Starter 
Surround modes are memorized by signal type for EACH input.
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Right on, thanks everyone! I'm glad to hear that because my system is a living room based system that is constantly used each day, with the vast majority of content being DirecTV HD. I was fearing having to change surround modes all the time.
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

RIght .... which is why I highlighted the word "call". wink.gif

After calling avscience.com and then a few emails back and forth I was able to get the 2113ci for $479. Order has been placed and I'm looking forward to getting it. I've got until the first week of May to return my 1913 for refund. Thanks for the tip jdsmoothie!

thanks to batpig for the advice on the side as well.
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Apple TV issue fixed

If anyone was having an issue with Apple TV sometimes not showing up when you changed the denon to your Apple TV input, after some setting testing I have found it was a handshake issue with the Auto Colour mode the Apple TV has.

If you leave on Auto I found sometime the Apple TV would not show up when selected or if the Apple TV was powered on before the AMP or you changed over to your Apple TV the screen was blank.

If you set to one of the three colour modes in the Apple TV the problem goes away.

Hope this info may help someone.
Edited by raymate - 4/11/13 at 6:27pm
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