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post #7291 of 10468
Hi all, I have the 3313 which is 7.2, I already have two subwoofers connected to it, So if I wanted to add a 3rd one, then do I just connect a Y splinter to either subwoofer's output on the 3313? What are the Downs of this connection? thanks in advance.
post #7292 of 10468
Yup. Just add external "Y" splitters for any additional subs you want to add as the two output on the unit are simply an internal "Y" splitter. smile.gif
post #7293 of 10468

The Denon XX12 remotes come preloaded to control several commonly used devices (not the case with the XX13 remotes). In order to get the AVR GUI/menu to display you must first press the "AMP" button and then the "Menu" button to let the remote know you want the menu from the AMP as opposed to another device's menu. Also note, on some XX12 units (1912, 2112CI) there is a defect issue with the NET/USB GUI not showing up, otherwise, in some cases unplugging the AVR for a few minutes will resolve the issue.


I see this from the link but it doesn't help. I still can't get the GUI to show up.
post #7294 of 10468
After much more time with my 1713 with my 'go to' material, there is a pretty large difference in sound vs the Onkyo 709. The 1713 seems to be more enveloping in terms of surround sound field, especially with 2 channel sources via DPL II Cinema/Music, but also with Multi-Channel signals too.

In terms of sound, the 1713 wins hands down, while the 709 wins in the front display/info department.................Of course it's the sound that matters, so the 1713 gets the win and the right to remain in my theater even when the 709 gets fixed. Anybody wanna buy a slightly used 709? biggrin.gif
post #7295 of 10468
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Originally Posted by ShadowJ20 View Post

The Denon XX12 remotes come preloaded to control several commonly used devices (not the case with the XX13 remotes). In order to get the AVR GUI/menu to display you must first press the "AMP" button and then the "Menu" button to let the remote know you want the menu from the AMP as opposed to another device's menu. Also note, on some XX12 units (1912, 2112CI) there is a defect issue with the NET/USB GUI not showing up, otherwise, in some cases unplugging the AVR for a few minutes will resolve the issue.


I see this from the link but it doesn't help. I still can't get the GUI to show up.

As long as the HTPC is passing a video signal in which the GUI can overlay, then the GUI should display.
post #7296 of 10468
I have a Denon 1513. I want to know if there is any sound quality difference between Denon 1513 and Denon 1713 ? I know later one has Audyssey but except that feature, is the sound ( for example Direct mode) quality better than 1513? Can anyone who has listened to both AVRs can answer.
post #7297 of 10468
^^^^^^
I haven't heard either one, but based on all the info available, these two receivers will sound the same in Direct mode. But, the question you asked is like asking "take the biggest sound quality difference between these two receivers out, and then tell me if there is any difference". Don't discount Audyssey, especially the MultEQ XT on the 1713 (1613 is cheaper with MultEQ), it is the biggest differentiator in the sound quality that you are asking about.
post #7298 of 10468
+1

No comparison between the two with Audyssey enabled.
post #7299 of 10468
Yeah shash, you are right about MultEQ XT . I know that Audyssey can definitely customize sound quality according the room size, but I want to know if in stereo mode will these 2 receivers sound alike? Do Audyssey work in Stereo?
post #7300 of 10468
Audyssey works on 2 or more speakers. If you want something that sounds better than your TV speakers, then get the 1513. If audio quality is important to you, then get a model with Audyssey.
post #7301 of 10468
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Originally Posted by rupamdatta View Post

Yeah shash, you are right about MultEQ XT . I know that Audyssey can definitely customize sound quality according the room size, but I want to know if in stereo mode will these 2 receivers sound alike? Do Audyssey work in Stereo?

Yes, as jdsmoothie already said. I only wanted to comment on "room size". Audyssey not only corrects for room size, but it accounts for reflections from the characteristics and contents of the room as well.
post #7302 of 10468
I will be hooking up a SVS SB12 subwoofer to my 3313 later today. I've never used a subwoofer with a receiver that has Audyssey before, so I'm not quite sure how to do it. What level gain should I set the sub to before running Audyssey?
post #7303 of 10468
Start it out at about 1/2 gain or 12 o'clock and dial it down further as necessary until the AVR sets the sub volume to roughly -3db to + 3db. This may actually require you to lower the gain to as low as 1/4 or 1/3 of max. If you have not already, review the Audyssey 101/FAQ Guide linked in my sig.
post #7304 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Start it out at about 1/2 gain or 12 o'clock and dial it down further as necessary until the AVR sets the sub volume to roughly -3db to + 3db. This may actually require you to lower the gain to as low as 1/4 or 1/3 of max. If you have not already, review the Audyssey 101/FAQ Guide linked in my sig.

Awesome. Thanks!
post #7305 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

As long as the HTPC is passing a video signal in which the GUI can overlay, then the GUI should display.

Hmm it's not working for me. What button exactly do you press on the remote to get the GUI to show? I've hit like every single button.

In the event that I don't get the GUI to work, am I missing anything important?
Edited by ShadowJ20 - 4/20/13 at 11:44am
post #7306 of 10468
Press Setup on the remote. (p. 83 OM). Try using another HDMI source to confirm it's not an issue with the HTPC video card.
post #7307 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Press Setup on the remote. (p. 83 OM). Try using another HDMI source to confirm it's not an issue with the HTPC video card.

Pushed setup nothing...I'll try your advice later.
post #7308 of 10468
Hey guys, my 2113 shut off out of nowhere today during regular use on both zones and will not turn back on. Red power light is blinking every second or two. Any ideas on what I should do? Thanks

Jason
post #7309 of 10468
post #7310 of 10468
Ok, so it says ventilation issue.... Unit is cold now as it shut down an hour ago. Do I have to do some type of reset to get it to turn back on? No buttons will work at this point, thanks.

Jason
post #7311 of 10468
Unplug the unit for a few minutes and then plug back in and see if it will power on. If not, then use the microprocessor reset procedure listed in post #5 of this thread to power the unit back on. Is the unit enclosed in a tight cabinet? If yes, then pull it out for testing purposes.
post #7312 of 10468
OK, I am a bit torn now! I had my heart set on the 2113, but lately I have been really tempted by the 3313.

The room size is approx. 15x20, and we listen/watch music, movies and TV with this system. We have a 5.1 setup, with Klipsch RF/RC/RS-3 (approx. 12 years old, but works great) and Klipsch RW12-d. The receiver I'll be replacing is a Yamaha RX-V800, primarily because I need to update to HDMI and networking, and I have not been happy with the surround performance. Also, we have hardwood floors, as well as the front half of the right wall open to the staircase, and the room/system will benefit immensely from Audyssey.

I was initially going for the 1713, for MultiEQ XT. Eventually, read Batpig's buying advice to go for the 2113, and additionally it does provide me the option to go to 7.1 if I chose to. Lately I have been lusting over the 3313, with some thoughts of adding a reasonably priced AMP, and therefore, needing pre-amps. It is not that I need really high, ear-piercing levels of output. But, I'd like to have really clean, smooth, warm, powerful mid-range in addition to the highs I get from the speaker/SW set. The Emotiva XPA-5/3 seem like overkill, and I am not sure the Emotiva-UPA-5/3 will make a significant difference over straight 2113/3313, based on what I have read so far. Do you all agree/disagree? Again, this is a future maybe, not an immediate need.

Next would be the zone 2/3 audio, discounting the HDMI matrix out. We could use this on the patio, on the other hand I am not sure if it is not simpler to just add a cheap AVR on its own for that. Again, not a must have.

So, then, really the difference I have been wondering about between the 2113 and the 3313 is the "Dynamic Discrete Surround Circuit – D.D.S.C - HD". . To the end of cleaner sound, does DDSC make an audible difference?

Thanks,
Shash
post #7313 of 10468
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Originally Posted by andremal View Post

Everyone including avscience.com still has the 2113 for $649 atm. That's $250 more than I paid for the 1913 and really pushes me out of my budget since I'm trying to convince my wife to let me get a full new set of PSB Image Speakers...

I have a set of PSB Image and love them. Also have a Denon 2113. Went for it due to the better audyssy and better zone 2 capacity. I got the 2113CI as a refurb direct from Denon for 399.
post #7314 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Average volume level for TV listening is usually 50 (or -30db) to 60 (or -20db) with movie listening a little louder at 60 (or -20db) to 70 (or -10db). You will generally have to get to at least 50% of max to get any moderate level volume as modern AVRs generally use a logarithmic volume scale.

Thanks alot. That's precisely what I am doing too. Thought I had a problem somewhere but its normal as you say. Very Happy with the sound and much better than my onkyo experience.
post #7315 of 10468
I am new on amps but what are the benefits of adding an amp such as emotiva to 2113 or any other avr as a matter of fact. Thanks
post #7316 of 10468
When using the Web Control function (page 89 of the 1913 manual), I seem to have lost the little icons that used to be visible beside the name of the album, artist, etc. Now it just says "undefined" there instead of the icon. It still has all the info - like the artist name. It's just the little image that used to be there is now gone. I tried rebooting the PC. Then I tried a different PC on the same network. Then a tablet - all the same (no icons). Anyone else see this issue - and were you able to resolve it? I know its very minor - but I am curious as to what's causing it since it used to work just fine. Thanks,.
post #7317 of 10468
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Originally Posted by sdrm View Post

I am new on amps but what are the benefits of adding an amp such as emotiva to 2113 or any other avr as a matter of fact. Thanks


Adding an amp would add discrete clean power to individual channels. Most notice cleaner sound and increased clarity at lower volumes. Adding a dedicated amp unleashes the full capacity of speakers. In order to add an amp you need pre outs on your reciever. The 2113 does not have pre outs and can not be used with a separate amplifier.
post #7318 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Start it out at about 1/2 gain or 12 o'clock and dial it down further as necessary until the AVR sets the sub volume to roughly -3db to + 3db. This may actually require you to lower the gain to as low as 1/4 or 1/3 of max. If you have not already, review the Audyssey 101/FAQ Guide linked in my sig.

So I hooked up my SVS sub and just ran the Audyssey.setup. With the gain control at 50%, I was getting a level for the sub of -11.5dB. I lowered the gain quite a bit, and it now shows a level of -5dB? Is this acceptable? It does not fall within the range you mentioned. I am also confused about why the Denon set all my speakers to large. Doesn't this pretty much make my new sub pointless? Is there a way to go in and set the speakers to small and manually adjust the crossovers without affecting all the room correction and other good stuff that Audyssey performed?
post #7319 of 10468
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Originally Posted by gweempose View Post

So I hooked up my SVS sub and just ran the Audyssey.setup. With the gain control at 50%, I was getting a level for the sub of -11.5dB. I lowered the gain quite a bit, and it now shows a level of -5dB? Is this acceptable? It does not fall within the range you mentioned. I am also confused about why the Denon set all my speakers to large. Doesn't this pretty much make my new sub pointless? Is there a way to go in and set the speakers to small and manually adjust the crossovers without affecting all the room correction and other good stuff that Audyssey performed?

-5db is fine. If you get +or-12db that means it was out of range for Audyssey to EQ the sub as it would like to. Go into speakers menu then manual setup below audyssey setup. Go to crossovers and change all to small 80hz. Your speakers were set to large because when Audyssey sent out its chirps it recognized your speakers ability to play lower frequencies. Generally that's a good sign. It's always ok to raise an Audyssey "recommended" crossover but never lower. If audyssey were to recommend a 40hz crossover that would mean frequencies lower were out of the range for Audyssey to flatten out the smooth EQ line it creates thus voiding the whole purpose of room EQ.
post #7320 of 10468
^also if you want to run your sub hotter go to levels in the manual menu, go down to the bottom and raise the db from -5db to what you like. I ended up with -5db and run mine at 0db...biggrin.gif. HSU VTF 15h
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