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post #7411 of 10467
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Originally Posted by spager View Post

The risk will be slightly higher that you may incur issues from reading the post in this forum and others. You will have to weigh the risk vs reward $$. On a side note Future Shop has them on sale for $499. Also check out page 1 of this forum for an in depth comparison of all the Denon 13 series avr's if you haven't already.

Thanks for your input. My original plan was to buy from future shop, but they are entirely sold out here (online and instore according to the website) so i ended up pulling the trigger on the refurb. Crossing my fingers I will have no problems. Now onto the speaker sub-forum!!
post #7412 of 10467
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Originally Posted by midfiman View Post

Hey batpig,

TOTALLY agree. This is fine for 90% of the time for me. I would have the cable box be the one I would use for passive switching on the receiver. The only time it's an issue is when I'm trying to watch a movie once my daughter (toddler) goes to sleep. I would have to turn the receiver on to watch a blu-ray. Oh well, not that big of a deal. I can just keep the volume low.

I have an AVR-2113 I run in the family room and I also wanted the ability to run two different sources with only TV sound. Mostly for daytime when my wife may put something on for the kids (2 and 6) and there's no need for the AVR to be on. Since I couldn't choose a single dedicated pass-through, I programmed two activities into my Harmony One that launch cable and Blu-ray with no AVR as well as two that launch those sources with the AVR. So, we launch the "with AVR" activity first (making that source the "last" one the AVR sees) and then launch the "no AVR" activity so it turns off the AVR but passes through the current source. You could also just turn off the AVR once you're watching a given source but launching the "no AVR" activity on the Harmony re-maps the volume control to the TV's own.

Perhaps there's a more elegant way to do this for the more Harmony-literate but it takes longer to read it than to do it and my wife is managing so far. wink.gif And I'd echo the usefulness of Dynamic Volume for late night viewing, I almost always have it at least "Medium" since we watch later at night.
post #7413 of 10467
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Originally Posted by PaytonD View Post

Hey guys, first post here, as I'm about to begin my journey on the road to HT. I've decided that the Denon 1913 fits all my needs, and am literally about the pull the trigger and order one.

Is there any reason to be concerned about buying a factory refurbed model? They can be had here in Canada for like $360. I'd also like to hear from anybody who has bought a refurb (any model), and if they've ever had any problems?

The seller (on ebay) states that the unit comes with a 1 year MANUFACTURERS warranty, and a 3 day DOA guarantee. Opinions???

Thanks for the help in advance.
You can get it new from Crutchfield for $400 and with what I've seen lately, I'll bet a phone call to B&H will get you the 2113 for the same price.
post #7414 of 10467
Looks like he's bought the refurb already and moved on to the Speaker & Sub forums; hope it was from an Authorized re-seller...

'course, how they can void the warranty, I've no clue...if I buy a Ford from a Chevy dealer, or used from an individual, FORD can't simply tell me "to go hang" when I need warranty work...
post #7415 of 10467
I have a Denon 3313 Home Theater Receiver and also an extra receiver a Yamaha RX-V750 -7.1 channel – 700 watts total. My Home theater speaker setup has 2 Polk 10B monitors –(6)ohm floor standing front speakers, Bic DV62CLR-S center speaker, 4 Bic Muro M-80 for surrounds and a (2) Bic powered Sub-woofer V1020. Currently the speakers are connected only to the Denon 3313 receiver. How can I take advantage of the spare Yamaha receiver and send maximum power to each of the home theater speakers. Both receivers have preouts. Is it possible to use audyssey after they are connected? AT present all speakers are set to small and 80Hz. Not sure if that is correct as far as the Polks are concerned, but set them anyway. I’m sure this is not the correct way to say it but I want to utilize the Yamaha to power the fronts and possible the center channel. Please explain how I would connect the two receivers. I know the typical response would be to sell the Yamaha and buy a separate amp. The Yamaha was used lightly for a year, it is mint condition (showroom) and originally cost $625. Because of the advances in electronics no one would give near that price today mainly because of no HDMI connections. I’m trying to save a little money because, two years ago went thru chemo and rad and just had L5S1 surgery lower back. Below is listed the specs for all of my speakers. The Denon sounds great as is, I just don’t want the Yamaha to sit in the corner and collect dust and after all the reading time I have had lately, thought it might be possible to improve the sound just a little bit. I thought about giving the Yamaha to my daughter, but she really has nowhere to set a system up right now. JD or Batpig what are your thoughts.

Specs for my speakers -

Polk 10B Monitors 6ohms – left and right front speakers - Frequency Response – 22Hz – 25,000 Hz – (1) tweeter , (2) mid range 6 ½ drivers, (1) ten inch sub base radiator – efficiency is 89 db
Bic DV62CLR-S – center channel - Frequency Response – 38Hz – 20kHz , (2) 6 ½” poly/graphite woofers, (1) ¾” poly soft dome tweeter – sensitivity is 90 db @1 watt, 1 meter
Bic Muro M-80 surrounds and back – 40Hz – 22KHz (1) 8” poly/graphite cone woofer and (1) 1” poly soft dome tweeter sensitivity is 90 db @ 1 watt, 1 meter
Sub-woofers (2) Bic V1020’s 10” down firing - Frequency Response – 26 – 180 Hz – sensitivity 90 db

Thanks,
Ed
post #7416 of 10467
Can someone please help me figure out this zone 2 hdmi problem:

This is what the Manual says on page 103:
The following restrictions apply to the HDMI ZONE2 function.
• If you select a same input source for MAIN ZONE and ZONE2, audio playback may be restricted or video
may be interrupted.


And, sure enough, if I try t run Directv to both HDMI zones, I get nothing but problems. Basically, the video and audio will cut out every few seconds. If I shut off the TV in the main zone, and then turn it back on, the problems will usually be gone, and run flawlessly after that.
It seems like this could be some sort of sync issue.

One of the reasons I bought the 3313 was for the 3 zones. zone one had hdmi and 5.1 output, zone 2 goes to a tv via hdmi only, and zone 3 goes outside to 2 speakers.

If this is "normal" behavior, should I be looking to return this and wait for the Pioneer vsx-70 (or please suggest any other 3 zone AVR)?

Thanks!
post #7417 of 10467
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You can get it new from Crutchfield for $400 and with what I've seen lately, I'll bet a phone call to B&H will get you the 2113 for the same price.

Crutchfield America does not ship to Canada. And crutchfield Canada retails it for $580 frown.gif the joys of living in the north.

It was purchased from an authorized retailer, even verified that on the denon Canada website.
post #7418 of 10467
Good, very good. You probably will have no problems.
post #7419 of 10467
Is there a way to sort the Pandora station alphabetically? I tried logging into my Pandora account on their website and sorted the stations but the change didn't apply to the 2313.
post #7420 of 10467
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Originally Posted by PaytonD View Post

Crutchfield America does not ship to Canada. And crutchfield Canada retails it for $580 frown.gif the joys of living in the north.

It was purchased from an authorized retailer, even verified that on the denon Canada website.

I bought a refurb 2113ci about 5 months ago - zero issues so far.
post #7421 of 10467
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Originally Posted by PaytonD View Post

Crutchfield America does not ship to Canada. And crutchfield Canada retails it for $580 frown.gif the joys of living in the north.

It was purchased from an authorized retailer, even verified that on the denon Canada website.

If your in Toronto try G&G got mine from from them a few months back, great price and service
post #7422 of 10467
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Originally Posted by azeemtn View Post

Can someone please help me figure out this zone 2 hdmi problem:

This is what the Manual says on page 103:
The following restrictions apply to the HDMI ZONE2 function.
• If you select a same input source for MAIN ZONE and ZONE2, audio playback may be restricted or video
may be interrupted.


And, sure enough, if I try t run Directv to both HDMI zones, I get nothing but problems. Basically, the video and audio will cut out every few seconds. If I shut off the TV in the main zone, and then turn it back on, the problems will usually be gone, and run flawlessly after that.
It seems like this could be some sort of sync issue.

One of the reasons I bought the 3313 was for the 3 zones. zone one had hdmi and 5.1 output, zone 2 goes to a tv via hdmi only, and zone 3 goes outside to 2 speakers.

If this is "normal" behavior, should I be looking to return this and wait for the Pioneer vsx-70 (or please suggest any other 3 zone AVR)?

Thanks!

When the manual says that, it is only describing the temporary loss of audio/video for about 2 seconds when it does matrix switching, which is by design. The rest is your receiver is probably trying to change the video signal to your zone 2 monitor, and in the process the zone 1 monitor gets confused.
post #7423 of 10467
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

Looks like he's bought the refurb already and moved on to the Speaker & Sub forums; hope it was from an Authorized re-seller...

'course, how they can void the warranty, I've no clue...if I buy a Ford from a Chevy dealer, or used from an individual, FORD can't simply tell me "to go hang" when I need warranty work...

That's up to the manufacturer to decide. Factory car warrantees are transferrable. On most other consumer goods they are not. So yeah, go hang.
post #7424 of 10467
nice Beagle in your sigtag, but, unless you are Denon AND I'm trying to get some Warranty work done on a used product, I'd appreciate not being told to "go hang"
post #7425 of 10467
sorry if this is off topic but any word on the xx14 models? I didnt see a thread for this but if I recall they usually come out around this time of the year. Thanks
post #7426 of 10467
Thread Starter 
Thread here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465528/the-official-2013-denon-avr-model-owners-thread-faq

They have been rebranded from the current numbering scheme, the lower level models (replacing 1513, 1613, 1913) have been redubbed the "E-Series" and have already been released.

The "CI" models are being replaced by the "X-Series" and will be formally announced soon.

The most exciting bit of news is that the 3313 replacement (X4000) will have MulTEQ XT32 with SubEQ dual sub calibration, DTS Neo:X added as an option to DSX for wide/height processing, and the ability to expand to 9 channels simultaneously with an external amp.
post #7427 of 10467
3313 was listed on Amazon May 16, 2012
post #7428 of 10467
^^^

And your point is...?
post #7429 of 10467
Perhaps the 3313 replacement will come out on or about that date?
post #7430 of 10467
Much chance of an 11.2 Denon?
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Thread here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465528/the-official-2013-denon-avr-model-owners-thread-faq

They have been rebranded from the current numbering scheme, the lower level models (replacing 1513, 1613, 1913) have been redubbed the "E-Series" and have already been released.

The "CI" models are being replaced by the "X-Series" and will be formally announced soon.

The most exciting bit of news is that the 3313 replacement (X4000) will have MulTEQ XT32 with SubEQ dual sub calibration, DTS Neo:X added as an option to DSX for wide/height processing, and the ability to expand to 9 channels simultaneously with an external amp.
post #7431 of 10467
CentralCoaster,

I was thinking something like that too, where the TV is trying to sync over and over again for some reason. I was thinking I may have to set the TV settings manually to 1080p in the web Gui.
What I wasn't sure of why audio was also cutting out over and over again.

I called Denon support, and they are going to try and recreate in their lab based on what I gave them, so hopefully I'll have an answer soon.
post #7432 of 10467
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

Much chance of an 11.2 Denon?

Already exists in the 4xxx models (4810, 4311, now 4520).
post #7433 of 10467
Without External Amp & modern?
post #7434 of 10467
Thread Starter 
I highly, highly doubt you will ever see it happen without an external amp. How many amps can you stuff in one box? How many would you even want, all driven by one power supply? I think 9 is a reasonable practical limit, the 11 channel capability is probably only used by a small fraction of end users and those who do will almost certainly have external amps anyway.

Not sure what you mean by "modern"? The 4520 is essentially state-of-the-art in featureset.
post #7435 of 10467
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

nice Beagle in your sigtag, but, unless you are Denon AND I'm trying to get some Warranty work done on a used product, I'd appreciate not being told to "go hang"

Your words not mine. Btw he's a German Shepherd mix, not a beagle. If you don't like being disagreed with, then please stop speculating.
post #7436 of 10467
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Originally Posted by CentralCoaster View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

nice Beagle in your sigtag, but, unless you are Denon AND I'm trying to get some Warranty work done on a used product, I'd appreciate not being told to "go hang"

Your words not mine. Btw he's a German Shepherd mix, not a beagle. If you don't like being disagreed with, then please stop speculating.

well, now that I'm looking on a 60" Plasma, instead on an iPhone I can see it is a mongrel; used to live on the California central coast...

P.S. the words are from a movie, any chance you know which one?
Edited by SanchoPanza - 4/25/13 at 6:43pm
post #7437 of 10467
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I highly, highly doubt you will ever see it happen without an external amp. How many amps can you stuff in one box? How many would you even want, all driven by one power supply? I think 9 is a reasonable practical limit, the 11 channel capability is probably only used by a small fraction of end users and those who do will almost certainly have external amps anyway.

Not sure what you mean by "modern"? The 4520 is essentially state-of-the-art in featureset.

yes, but the other 2 you cited aren't; I know Yamaha had, past tense, an 11.2; probably didn't work out
post #7438 of 10467
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Originally Posted by azeemtn View Post

Can someone please help me figure out this zone 2 hdmi problem:

This is what the Manual says on page 103:
The following restrictions apply to the HDMI ZONE2 function.
If you select a same input source for MAIN ZONE and ZONE2, audio playback may be restricted or video
may be interrupted.



And, sure enough, if I try t run Directv to both HDMI zones, I get nothing but problems. Basically, the video and audio will cut out every few seconds. If I shut off the TV in the main zone, and then turn it back on, the problems will usually be gone, and run flawlessly after that.
It seems like this could be some sort of sync issue.

One of the reasons I bought the 3313 was for the 3 zones. zone one had hdmi and 5.1 output, zone 2 goes to a tv via hdmi only, and zone 3 goes outside to 2 speakers.

If this is "normal" behavior, should I be looking to return this and wait for the Pioneer vsx-70 (or please suggest any other 3 zone AVR)?

Thanks!

The point of that bolded note above is to indicate that as with most HDMI switches (without EDID override capability), with the same HDMI source going to both the AVR (main zone) and TV (Zone 2), then the audio and video going to the main zone would be limited to whatever the Zone 2 TV can handle .... so for example, if your Zone 2 TV is only 720p and can only receive 2CH stereo audio, then the main zone would also be limited to 2CH stereo/720p even if you are passing a DD 5.1/1080p video source to the AVR. The sync issues are more likely HDMI handshake issues which happen with some components connected to the AVR.
post #7439 of 10467
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Originally Posted by Edison Harris View Post

I have a Denon 3313 Home Theater Receiver and also an extra receiver a Yamaha RX-V750 -7.1 channel – 700 watts total. My Home theater speaker setup has 2 Polk 10B monitors –(6)ohm floor standing front speakers, Bic DV62CLR-S center speaker, 4 Bic Muro M-80 for surrounds and a (2) Bic powered Sub-woofer V1020. Currently the speakers are connected only to the Denon 3313 receiver. How can I take advantage of the spare Yamaha receiver and send maximum power to each of the home theater speakers. Both receivers have preouts. Is it possible to use audyssey after they are connected? AT present all speakers are set to small and 80Hz. Not sure if that is correct as far as the Polks are concerned, but set them anyway. I’m sure this is not the correct way to say it but I want to utilize the Yamaha to power the fronts and possible the center channel. Please explain how I would connect the two receivers. I know the typical response would be to sell the Yamaha and buy a separate amp. The Yamaha was used lightly for a year, it is mint condition (showroom) and originally cost $625. Because of the advances in electronics no one would give near that price today mainly because of no HDMI connections. I’m trying to save a little money because, two years ago went thru chemo and rad and just had L5S1 surgery lower back. Below is listed the specs for all of my speakers. The Denon sounds great as is, I just don’t want the Yamaha to sit in the corner and collect dust and after all the reading time I have had lately, thought it might be possible to improve the sound just a little bit. I thought about giving the Yamaha to my daughter, but she really has nowhere to set a system up right now. JD or Batpig what are your thoughts.

Specs for my speakers -

Polk 10B Monitors 6ohms – left and right front speakers - Frequency Response – 22Hz – 25,000 Hz – (1) tweeter , (2) mid range 6 ½ drivers, (1) ten inch sub base radiator – efficiency is 89 db
Bic DV62CLR-S – center channel - Frequency Response – 38Hz – 20kHz , (2) 6 ½” poly/graphite woofers, (1) ¾” poly soft dome tweeter – sensitivity is 90 db @1 watt, 1 meter
Bic Muro M-80 surrounds and back – 40Hz – 22KHz (1) 8” poly/graphite cone woofer and (1) 1” poly soft dome tweeter sensitivity is 90 db @ 1 watt, 1 meter
Sub-woofers (2) Bic V1020’s 10” down firing - Frequency Response – 26 – 180 Hz – sensitivity 90 db

Thanks,
Ed

Based on your post that the 3313CI has no issues powering your current setup, if you don't want to sell it, then use it to power Zone 2 speakers (back patio, deck, office, work out room, etc.) or keep it until such time as your daugher can use it.
post #7440 of 10467
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Originally Posted by PaytonD View Post

Hey guys, first post here, as I'm about to begin my journey on the road to HT. I've decided that the Denon 1913 fits all my needs, and am literally about the pull the trigger and order one.

Is there any reason to be concerned about buying a factory refurbed model? They can be had here in Canada for like $360. I'd also like to hear from anybody who has bought a refurb (any model), and if they've ever had any problems?

The seller (on ebay) states that the unit comes with a 1 year MANUFACTURERS warranty, and a 3 day DOA guarantee. Opinions???

Thanks for the help in advance.

Lots of folks have purchased refurb units without any problems at all although you rarely hear from them because they have no reason to post/complain. Also if you purchased with a credit card, note that your card issuer may add an additional year to the 1 year warranty (Amex will for sure as will some MC/Visa) making it 2 years.
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