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post #7501 of 10469
This X4000 looks like it may have the ability to amplify zone 2 OR zone 3. As it has two sets of assignable speaker outs. Doesn't look like it can do 3.1 zone1 and simultaneously power the other 2 zones though like Pioneer.

This would be a nice feature. The 3313 only has 1 assignable set, so you need a 2nd amp for your 3rd zone speakers regardless.
post #7502 of 10469
Thread Starter 
Well there are still only 7 amps built in so I don't think it will really be different than the 3313ci in this respect. You probably will still have the option to assign the two extra amps to either Zone 2 or Zone 3, or Zone 2/3 mono (1 speaker each) just like the 3313.

It remains to be seen how that second set of "assignable" speaker posts will actually function. We have to wait for the manual to come out to know for sure.
post #7503 of 10469
Which brands of IR extenders are compatible with the 2313ci?
post #7504 of 10469
Hello peeps!

Just got a denon AVR X-1000 with some monitor audio bx1s and I have a Samsung LE32C450E1W and I'm having trouble with the USB.

At the mo, when I plug in my USB and try an mp4 file I'm getting audio and no video. I am aware that there are some limitations in terms of type of USB format and mp4 encoding but I don't understand all the technical stuff to make it work.

Is there anything I'm doing wrong on the denon? It says video select is "off" but when I turn it "on" the only options are everything but USB!

Anyone know what to about this?

I've also tried to plug the USB into my TV and the video works but audio is through TV speakers (which are cack!) and obviously when I go to HDMI 1 for the Denon to click TV audio, the video stops!

Am I doing something blindly stupid here?!

Thanks!

D
post #7505 of 10469
I don't believe any receiver supports video from USB, only static images (jpg, gif, etc). I suspect you'll need to plug the thumb drive into a blu-ray player. They do support video from USB, although which file formats are supported varies from player to player.

I'm surprised the TV doesn't provide audio to the TV's digital audio output when playing a video file from USB.
post #7506 of 10469
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Originally Posted by thehabs24 View Post

I have joined the club. Just picked up my 2313CI from costco last night. They had it going for 769 and saw it for 499. Couldn't resist.

I managed to get one as well for that price. Was so surprised to see them on that price as when I was looking a few months back, the best deal I could find was $799!
post #7507 of 10469
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

I don't believe any receiver supports video from USB, only static images (jpg, gif, etc). I suspect you'll need to plug the thumb drive into a blu-ray player. They do support video from USB, although which file formats are supported varies from player to player.

I'm surprised the TV doesn't provide audio to the TV's digital audio output when playing a video file from USB.
That's pretty much the truth. A AVR will only allow audio file format playback and images, but not video files.
post #7508 of 10469
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Originally Posted by judge_dredd View Post

I managed to get one as well for that price. Was so surprised to see them on that price as when I was looking a few months back, the best deal I could find was $799!
They also had 3313CI on sale for $699 if you were lucky per comments on the net.
post #7509 of 10469
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Originally Posted by judge_dredd View Post

I managed to get one as well for that price. Was so surprised to see them on that price as when I was looking a few months back, the best deal I could find was $799!

any receipt? which costco did you go to?
post #7510 of 10469
Maybe I can connect my TV's audio out into the AUX in on AVR and play it from TV.

I'll try that. Thanks, guys
post #7511 of 10469
Thread Starter 
FYI this is the thread for the xx13 models, there is a new thread for the E series and X series models.

The X series hasn't been released in the USA. Are you in Europe?

BTW the answer given above is accurate, these receivers do not support video playback from a USB device.
post #7512 of 10469
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Originally Posted by zoro View Post

When and where?
Google is your friend! cool.gif

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-Xiopx6pWOi0/p_033AVX4000/Denon-AVR-X4000.html
post #7513 of 10469
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Originally Posted by ancym71 View Post

All -

Back in October '12 I posted a request for advice on receivers to consider as part of a home renovation. I ended up getting the Denon AVR 3313ci. So far, so good. It was just installed and hooked up by the a/v contractor. My question is about using the Air Play functionality. Do I need to purchase Apple's Apple TV or an AirPort in order to use the Air Play feature? I assume not, but it's really not all that clear to me.

Also, is there anywhere on this board a quick and easy tutorial for setting up Air Play on the Denon? The instructions are for crap - natch.

Thanks for your help!

ANCyM71

The instructions provided on p. 73 of the OM are actually quite direct and complete. smile.gif
post #7514 of 10469
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Originally Posted by CentralCoaster View Post

This X4000 looks like it may have the ability to amplify zone 2 OR zone 3. As it has two sets of assignable speaker outs. Doesn't look like it can do 3.1 zone1 and simultaneously power the other 2 zones though like Pioneer.

This would be a nice feature. The 3313 only has 1 assignable set, so you need a 2nd amp for your 3rd zone speakers regardless.

The X4000 acts the same in this respect as the 3313CI in that either Zone 2 or 3 stereo or Zone 2/3 (Mono) can be supported by the AVR's amps with Zone 2/3 pre-outs for use with an external amp. The additional 2CH from an external amp to extend the X4000 from 7.2 to 9.2 can only be used for the following CH .....




Also note, that the "X" series manuals are now all posted on Denon's website.
Edited by jdsmoothie - 4/30/13 at 5:18pm
post #7515 of 10469
Batpig/All -

Another question re Air Play set up and the 3313 network connection. I've done additional reading and figured out I need a wireless router/bridge because I don't have a close enough port/connection to the receiver to hardwire it. I've looked at several options from Netgear, WD, TRENDnet, etc., but want to know if Apple's Air Port/Air Port Extreme could function as the bridge? I ask because we have Apple at home - laptops; iPads/Pods - and figure that might make set up easier and compatibility better. If my better option is to go with another type of router, I'm fine with that and would like input on what brands I should consider or being pointed to a helpful thread on the AVS site.

By the way, much of what I've learned came from here: http://www.avsforum.com/a/denon-2011-and-2012-avr-faq-setup-and-troubleshooting-guide and BatPig.



ANCyM71
post #7516 of 10469
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Originally Posted by xitman View Post

You need to select TrueHD or DTS HD in the audio setup menu in the movie menu. Also make sure that your BD players audio settings setup to passtrough the sound.

Setting the HDMI output on my blu-ray player to bitstream fixed the issue.

What a difference, I like this DTS-HD-MA
post #7517 of 10469
Hi Experts,

I recently bought 2113 and connected it with my Samsung 51 inch plasma, sat /cable box, wii, and router. I am facing the following problems, can someone let me know if they had faced similar problems.

1. My Samsung doesnt have ARC so I have connected optical cable to the receiver, I use my TV to play the media files from USB / NAS and and select TV audio on the receiver, whenever I try switching it back to sat/cable i do receive any audio/video, i believe it is HDMI handshake issue and have changed few HDMI cables but the problem still exists. I called Denon Service guy and he disconnected the router and the problem seems to be resolved. He is of the option that I have to change the router, before plunging on the new router I wanted to have your opinion how can the router affect the output.

2. Also i have noticed a peculiar problem that while playing music from the NAS thru the receiver the pause / stop button doesnt seem to work on the remote. Anybody facing similar issue.
post #7518 of 10469
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Originally Posted by ancym71 View Post

Batpig/All -

Another question re Air Play set up and the 3313 network connection. I've done additional reading and figured out I need a wireless router/bridge because I don't have a close enough port/connection to the receiver to hardwire it. I've looked at several options from Netgear, WD, TRENDnet, etc., but want to know if Apple's Air Port/Air Port Extreme could function as the bridge? I ask because we have Apple at home - laptops; iPads/Pods - and figure that might make set up easier and compatibility better. If my better option is to go with another type of router, I'm fine with that and would like input on what brands I should consider or being pointed to a helpful thread on the AVS site.

By the way, much of what I've learned came from here: http://www.avsforum.com/a/denon-2011-and-2012-avr-faq-setup-and-troubleshooting-guide and BatPig.



ANCyM71
Yes, AirPort can act as a bridge.
post #7519 of 10469
I'm getting ready to pull the trigger thanks to you guys but wanted to get some advise. I have a focal 800v cc, and 2 706v for fronts and two 106 customs for surrounds. I've narrowed down to the pioneer 1522-k or denon 3313 what do u guys think as far as receiver?
post #7520 of 10469
Whatever you get you want pre-outs on the back of the receiver encase you later on want to add separate amps to power your speakers.. Which is what i'll be doing soon with my Polk Audio LSiM 705s,706c and 703s for surrounds.

The 3313CI is the first model to have pre-outs. Wish I would of went with the 4520 (next model up) as it has a full 11.2 pre-outs and 9.2 channel speakers and the highest grade of Audyssey which is best.
post #7521 of 10469
Thanks I hadn't tougth about that. Are those recivers powerful enough for the speakers
post #7522 of 10469
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Originally Posted by Rafa341 View Post

Thanks I hadn't tougth about that. Are those recivers powerful enough for the speakers

Those speakers look pretty power efficient at 90db and they use around 120watts so you really should be golden with the 3313ci. Though if you ever want to see later on if separate amps will open the sound up some then you'll want pre-amps. I'd say the Denon or even the 4520 if you want or need the extra features.
post #7523 of 10469
Thread Starter 
I wouldn't even consider the 4520 unless he has cash to spare. He's only running a 5ch setup. The upcoming X4000 will feature the same XT32 calibration and will be a much better value than the 4520 if he wants to pay a bit extra for the best auto EQ software.
post #7524 of 10469
I am not sure about the pioneer but if I was going to power the Focals 706v (with minimum impendence of 3.60 ohm) I would opt for the Denon 4311 or the 4520 if you have the money or want the top of the line. If you are living in the States the 4311ci is discounted heavily by some of the online resellers. You could always add external amps to the 3313 but I would go for the 4311 and not have to add external amps.
post #7525 of 10469
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I wouldn't even consider the 4520 unless he has cash to spare. He's only running a 5ch setup. The upcoming X4000 will feature the same XT32 calibration and will be a much better value than the 4520 if he wants to pay a bit extra for the best auto EQ software.
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Originally Posted by ray587 View Post

So the X4000 is now just a 4520 with a little less power and a lot lower price tag. Let's just hope the Denon quality is still there. Hard to justify the extra $1300.00 for a 4520 now.

There are still reasons to go for the "flagship" unit. First off, the price difference at msrp is only $1,200, not $1,300.... but more importantly, the "street price" difference is smaller, assuming the X4000 is initially selling for around $1k it's more like $700-800.

The 4520 also has superior build quality. It's larger, heavier, is built in Japan vs. China, has fancier binding posts and has a more robust amp section certified to be capable of driving 4ohm speakers. Some people will pay a premium for that stuff. Plus of course it has 9 amps built in and can expand to 11 channels, whereas the X4000 has 7 amps built in and can only expand to 9.

Some other differences:

- 4520 has 4 zones instead of 3. While the HDMI matrix output on the 3313/X4000 is tied to Zone 2, the 4520 has it on a dedicated Zone 4 meaning you can still do two separate stereo music zones (2 and 3)
- 4520 has dual component video outputs which can be assigned to Zone 2 and Zone 3, so you could theoretically distribute HD video to all 4 zones vs. only 2 on the X4000.
- 4520 has a built in 4-port ethernet hub
- 4520 has more legacy connectivity -- an extra component video input, an extra RCA analog input, and 7.1 multich analog inputs
- 4520 has an incredibly flexible array of Amp Assign options including a "custom" free assign mode, whereas the X4000 will likely just have the standard 2 assignable amps for Zone 2/3, bi-amp, etc.

Now, I agree with you that for MOST people the 4520 is overkill and the X4000 is going to represent an awesome value in comparison, but the 4520 is a higher end unit and does offer additional build, power and features.

or, he wants some of the above, I like the Ethernet hub
post #7526 of 10469
I've read that Denon wont honor the warranty if there receivers are bought online? Any truth to that? Glad I bought mine from PaulsTV locally.

BTW.. my Polk Audio LSiM speakers were tested and dipped into the low 3ohm range and run fine off my Denon 3313CI. I'm going sep amps anyways shortly cause I want more power 200+ Watts for my dynamics.
post #7527 of 10469
Thread Starter 
Totally false. You just need to make sure it's an AUTHORIZED online dealer: http://usa.denon.com/us/wheretobuy/pages/onlineetailers.aspx
post #7528 of 10469
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Originally Posted by darkeclypse View Post

I've read that Denon wont honor the warranty if there receivers are bought online? Any truth to that? Glad I bought mine from PaulsTV locally.

BTW.. my Polk Audio LSiM speakers were tested and dipped into the low 3ohm range and run fine off my Denon 3313CI. I'm going sep amps anyways shortly cause I want more power 200+ Watts for my dynamics.

Denon has one of the best warranty policy in the business with three year warranty on ci models. I have followed many Denon forums and it is very rare that if a problem occurs that they do not address it and fix it. They do require to purchase from an authorized dealer which seems reasonable to me considering the cost of repairs.

Impedance is tricky when ever there is 4ohm mentioned in the speaker description and some speakers will dip and throw your avr (rated for 6ohms) into protection mode, while other will not. If the OP is looking for top of the line high fidelity and can afford or can wait I would definitely wait for the Denon X4000 and Maybe have to add an external amp or pick up the 4311 with both having Better Audyssey Multi XT 32 correction software.
Edited by spager - 5/1/13 at 4:02pm
post #7529 of 10469
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Originally Posted by darkeclypse View Post

I've read that Denon wont honor the warranty if there receivers are bought online? Any truth to that? Glad I bought mine from PaulsTV locally.

BTW.. my Polk Audio LSiM speakers were tested and dipped into the low 3ohm range and run fine off my Denon 3313CI. I'm going sep amps anyways shortly cause I want more power 200+ Watts for my dynamics.

What you likely heard was that "Pioneer Elite" models purchased on line voids the Pioneer warranty. Also note that a number of members have purchased "on-line" from Paul's TV as they are one of the "go to" vendors that discount off MSRP.
post #7530 of 10469
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

What you likely heard was that "Pioneer Elite" models purchased on line voids the Pioneer warranty. Also note that a number of members have purchased "on-line" from Paul's TV as they are one of the "go to" vendors that discount off MSRP.

You are probably right about that.. hehe

Oh and damn. I payed retail! Well I did get a pair of 3D glasses for free with it since I needed them.
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