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post #7531 of 10468
^^customers who pay msrp are generally more satisfied with they wink.gif purchase
post #7532 of 10468
Forgive me if I'm trodding over well-covered ground but I couldn't find a solution to exactly my question: I've got a Samsung 60ES8000, Denon AVR-2313, and a couple DVD players. I would like to use the ARC (via HDMI) for audio from the TV (Amazon Prime, Netflix, Smart Hub), not the optical cable. Apparently on my setup this only works with the Denon HDMI Control ON and the Sammy Anynet+ (HDMI-CEC) ON. I don't use either the HDMI Control or the Anynet+ functions except for the ARC. Unfortunately those settings result in the AVR switching input from Cable or DVD or whatever to TV Audio. Thanks to jdsmoothie and his incredible FAQs, I know I'm not alone and have the suggestions of turning off the ARC except when needed or sending a delayed input selection command.

So, my questions: Is there any way of having ARC w/o having the HDMI Control and/or the Anynet ON? Is there a simple on/off command for ARC or HDMI Control or Anynet+?

Thanks
post #7533 of 10468
^^^as someone else suggested earlier, if you don't use TV as a source, DELETE the SOURCE "TV", problem solved...
post #7534 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Robome View Post

Forgive me if I'm trodding over well-covered ground but I couldn't find a solution to exactly my question: I've got a Samsung 60ES8000, Denon AVR-2313, and a couple DVD players. I would like to use the ARC (via HDMI) for audio from the TV (Amazon Prime, Netflix, Smart Hub), not the optical cable. Apparently on my setup this only works with the Denon HDMI Control ON and the Sammy Anynet+ (HDMI-CEC) ON. I don't use either the HDMI Control or the Anynet+ functions except for the ARC. Unfortunately those settings result in the AVR switching input from Cable or DVD or whatever to TV Audio. Thanks to jdsmoothie and his incredible FAQs, I know I'm not alone and have the suggestions of turning off the ARC except when needed or sending a delayed input selection command.

So, my questions: Is there any way of having ARC w/o having the HDMI Control and/or the Anynet ON? Is there a simple on/off command for ARC or HDMI Control or Anynet+?

Thanks

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_E5
post #7535 of 10468
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

^^^as someone else suggested earlier, if you don't use TV as a source, DELETE the SOURCE "TV", problem solved...

He's using ARC. That inherently requires the "TV Audio" source.

The solution of deleting that input is only relevant for the opposite situation - people who want to use HDMI CEC but don't care about ARC.
post #7536 of 10468
yeah, I'd like to whack that TV source, but use it from time to time...
post #7537 of 10468
I have a 1713 and it recently developed an issue. I have it set to cable box pass thru when powered off. If I am watching TV then turn on the reciever it switches to cable/sat for a few seconds with no audio. Then it switches to TV audio with no picture or sound. I have to press cab/sat a second time to make it work. This has never happened before. I cycled the power a number of times but nothing worked.

Any suggestions?
post #7538 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Ozzie Isaac View Post

I have a 1713 and it recently developed an issue. I have it set to cable box pass thru when powered off. If I am watching TV then turn on the reciever it switches to cable/sat for a few seconds with no audio. Then it switches to TV audio with no picture or sound. I have to press cab/sat a second time to make it work. This has never happened before. I cycled the power a number of times but nothing worked.

Any suggestions?


Sounds like HDMI control is on. I don't know why it didn't happen before and does now. Did you recently change the HDMI control setting?
post #7539 of 10468
Hey guys, I've ran into problem with my avr-3313. I was watching 2 blu-rays last night and I noticed audio dropouts on both of them. They both lasted for less than a sec. It also happens sometimes on my dish network. I do not think its the hdmi's because they are both pretty much new. I also have a problem with the avr losing signal when I first turn on the avr to watch dish, or when I exit out off netflix, or off a blu-ray to go back to the ps3 menu. I'll have to go from one input to another to get the signal to come back on. Thanks for the help.
Edited by ouu2fan85 - 5/2/13 at 6:26am
post #7540 of 10468
I recently picked up an AVR-2313, and have a couple of questions. I have used Onkyo's for the last number of years, and more recently got an Onkyo TX-NR616 which I'm using in another part of the house.

2 questions with the Denon, the first regards multichannel stereo. I've noticed that with this setting, I far prefer Onkyo's version of it, which just sounds right. I find the 2313's multichannel stero to be too loud, way too much treble, and very little bass. Does this sound right, or am I missing something?

The second question is in regards to the dialouge and subwoofer channel levels that you find in the audio menu. On my Onkyo receiver, if you modify these, they will be changed temporarily and revert back to their original setting on a power off. If you want to change them for good, you have to do it in the speaker setup menu. I've noticed with the 2313 that if you change these, they seem to stay changed, which is fine, I'm just wondering if they can be reset back to the original values that Audyssey set somehow? I tried to reset to defaults in the speaker menu, but that set everything to 0, so it looks like I will have to run Audyssey again.

Thanks.
Edited by judge_dredd - 5/2/13 at 7:53am
post #7541 of 10468
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Originally Posted by judge_dredd View Post

I recently picked up an AVR-2313, and have a couple of questions. I have used Onkyo's for the last number of years, and more recently got an Onkyo TX-NR616 which I'm using in another part of the house.

I've noticed that with this setting, I far prefer Onkyo's version of it, which just sounds right. I find the 2313's multichannel stero to be too loud, way too much treble, and very little bass. Does this sound right, or am I missing something?

I noticed the same thing. My Onkyo 709 did mulit-channel stereo very well. The surrounds were balanced nicely and didn't call too much attention to themselves, whereas my Denon 1713 is just the opposite. I am now using PLII Music with Panorama ON / 3 / 3 and it sounds really nice. The same mode on my 709 wasn't nearly as good as it is on my Denon, as it had too much center, no width and the rear sound stage was minimal. It was so bad to me, that I almost didn't even try it on my Denon..........I'm glad I did.
post #7542 of 10468
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Originally Posted by D Bone View Post

I noticed the same thing. My Onkyo 709 did mulit-channel stereo very well. The surrounds were balanced nicely and didn't call too much attention to themselves, whereas my Denon 1713 is just the opposite. I am now using PLII Music with Panorama ON / 3 / 3 and it sounds really nice. The same mode on my 709 wasn't nearly as good as it is on my Denon, as it had too much center, no width and the rear sound stage was minimal. It was so bad to me, that I almost didn't even try it on my Denon..........I'm glad I did.

Thanks, I'll give that a try.
post #7543 of 10468
Finally got my switch box so I could finish setting up my refurb 2113. I think I now know why it was returned. Please look this over and see if I am missing anything.

Test tones both manual and Audio Audyssey work fine. But the left channel distorts with actual inputted material. I did the following:

1) Switched input from Directv to Blu-Ray - (optical to HDMI) still distorts, left channel only.

2) Switched speaker output on back twice A) Switched working right speaker output to left speaker and it worked fine. (Wanted to make sure Niles speaker switch fine for the receiver inputs also. Works great with power amp.) B) Then switched left output to right speaker and distortion followed output.

What confuses me is that the test tones work fine, but the two different source inputs, one optical digital, and the other HDMI both distort in the left channel.
Anyone have any ideas on this one? Thanks!
post #7544 of 10468
Thread Starter 
Sounds like you've done the basic troubleshooting. Unplug it for a few minutes and then try a couple of microprocessor resets. If it still displays the problem, you have a bad unit frown.gif
post #7545 of 10468
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by judge_dredd View Post

I recently picked up an AVR-2313, and have a couple of questions. I have used Onkyo's for the last number of years, and more recently got an Onkyo TX-NR616 which I'm using in another part of the house.

2 questions with the Denon, the first regards multichannel stereo. I've noticed that with this setting, I far prefer Onkyo's version of it, which just sounds right. I find the 2313's multichannel stero to be too loud, way too much treble, and very little bass. Does this sound right, or am I missing something?

The second question is in regards to the dialouge and subwoofer channel levels that you find in the audio menu. On my Onkyo receiver, if you modify these, they will be changed temporarily and revert back to their original setting on a power off. If you want to change them for good, you have to do it in the speaker setup menu. I've noticed with the 2313 that if you change these, they seem to stay changed, which is fine, I'm just wondering if they can be reset back to the original values that Audyssey set somehow? I tried to reset to defaults in the speaker menu, but that set everything to 0, so it looks like I will have to run Audyssey again.

Thanks.

2nd question first -- Audyssey calibrated settings can always be reset by going into the Audyssey menu and then Parameter Check, where one of the options is RESTORE.

1st question -- The first thing to be aware of with MultiCH Stereo on Denons is that the bass management for all channels is copied from the FR/FL mains (e.g. the stereo signal is just duplicated to all channels with no change in bass management). So if your front speakers are set to "large" or have a very low crossover, this will apply to the other speakers in the system, and could mean that little bass is getting redirected to the subwoofer. Make sure your FR/FL speakers are set to "Small" with an 80Hz crossover if they aren't already, this will probably help with the bass.

Second, the important thing to understand is the interaction of Dynamic EQ with MultiCH Stereo. One of the things that Dyn EQ does is boost the surround volume to keep the "surround bubble" coherent for multich content, since the surrounds in movies are typically lower in volume than the fronts. In MultiCH Stereo mode, however, the surrounds start out as loud as the fronts (copied signal) and thus when they are boosted by Dyn EQ, they end up louder than the fronts. This is why the the surround effect sounds too loud/overwhelming and destroys the stereo image. However, Dynamic EQ has a "Refernece Level Offset" setting which tones it down, you should try setting this to 10 or 15 for music sources to prevent the boost from being too aggresive.

All that said, I strongly recommend considering DBone's suggestion of using one of the "upmix" music modes instead of MultiCH Stereo. If you like that "wraparound" effect, then his suggestion of using PLII Music with the Panorama setting activated is a very good one. The Panorama setting copies more of the signal to the surround speakers, but the overall effect is more blended/subtle, so you will probably like the result.
post #7546 of 10468
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzie Isaac View Post

I have a 1713 and it recently developed an issue. I have it set to cable box pass thru when powered off. If I am watching TV then turn on the reciever it switches to cable/sat for a few seconds with no audio. Then it switches to TV audio with no picture or sound. I have to press cab/sat a second time to make it work. This has never happened before. I cycled the power a number of times but nothing worked.

Any suggestions?

This was discussed literally RIGHT before you posted. The "magical switching to the TV input" is caused by the HDMI-CEC technology in your TV controlling the receiver. Read the last few posts before yours.
post #7547 of 10468
Thanks. I am mostly ticked off that this was a refurb unit which one would have expected to be looked at very closely. Instead, I got a unit that only got up and running due to the information on here. When it was originally hooked up there was no sound or picture so I did the reset. It took me some reading and experimenting to get it to even display the set up menu. I had to unplug and replug in the power 5 or 6 times before that worked. And then I waited for my speaker selector box to arrive only to find out that one of the front speaker outputs is crap also. I should post the serial number on here just in case someone else get stuck with it because I am sure as hell going to try to get it replaced. (Sorry for the rant.)
post #7548 of 10468
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Originally Posted by hhawk View Post

I am mostly ticked off that this was a refurb unit which one would have expected to be looked at very closely.

I would agree that logically the refurb units should receive more rigorous testing before being sold. Based on what I've read, however, they seem to be rather hit or miss. I guess in some cases, there is only so much you can do to polish a turd.
post #7549 of 10468
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

2nd question first -- Audyssey calibrated settings can always be reset by going into the Audyssey menu and then Parameter Check, where one of the options is RESTORE.

1st question -- The first thing to be aware of with MultiCH Stereo on Denons is that the bass management for all channels is copied from the FR/FL mains (e.g. the stereo signal is just duplicated to all channels with no change in bass management). So if your front speakers are set to "large" or have a very low crossover, this will apply to the other speakers in the system, and could mean that little bass is getting redirected to the subwoofer. Make sure your FR/FL speakers are set to "Small" with an 80Hz crossover if they aren't already, this will probably help with the bass.

Second, the important thing to understand is the interaction of Dynamic EQ with MultiCH Stereo. One of the things that Dyn EQ does is boost the surround volume to keep the "surround bubble" coherent for multich content, since the surrounds in movies are typically lower in volume than the fronts. In MultiCH Stereo mode, however, the surrounds start out as loud as the fronts (copied signal) and thus when they are boosted by Dyn EQ, they end up louder than the fronts. This is why the the surround effect sounds too loud/overwhelming and destroys the stereo image. However, Dynamic EQ has a "Refernece Level Offset" setting which tones it down, you should try setting this to 10 or 15 for music sources to prevent the boost from being too aggresive.

All that said, I strongly recommend considering DBone's suggestion of using one of the "upmix" music modes instead of MultiCH Stereo. If you like that "wraparound" effect, then his suggestion of using PLII Music with the Panorama setting activated is a very good one. The Panorama setting copies more of the signal to the surround speakers, but the overall effect is more blended/subtle, so you will probably like the result.

Awesome, thanks.
post #7550 of 10468
I have an AVR-3321 with a RC-1156 Remote. I tried a IR Emitter with no luck. Does anyone know which IR setup I need for me to get this to work?

Thanks
post #7551 of 10468
Sounds like an issue with the emitter/hardware setup.

I'm using iRule on mine with globalcache hardware. Sending commands via IR blaster, and via IP control. I also had an emitter button over the Denon sensor which worked fine also. It's on the left 1/4 of the display and you can see it by shining a flashlight through the tinted display cover.
post #7552 of 10468
RE: ARC & Anynet (Wait a sec - anybody else getting a Terminator vibe here?) . Thanks guys, esp jd's dissertation on ARC. That's what I figured. So my choices are to send the delayed Input signal after every Input change or to program a menu sequence to turn on Anynet when using the TV Input and then turning it off when leaving it. I've got to think of the family when setting up the remote so making them wait ten+ seconds before moving the remote leans me toward the Anynet on/off sequences. That's partly why I was asking about simple Anynet commands.
post #7553 of 10468
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Originally Posted by ouu2fan85 View Post

Hey guys, I've ran into problem with my avr-3313. I was watching 2 blu-rays last night and I noticed audio dropouts on both of them. They both lasted for less than a sec. It also happens sometimes on my dish network. I do not think its the hdmi's because they are both pretty much new. I also have a problem with the avr losing signal when I first turn on the avr to watch dish, or when I exit out off netflix, or off a blu-ray to go back to the ps3 menu. I'll have to go from one input to another to get the signal to come back on. Thanks for the help.

You could try replacing the HDMI cables as "being new" doesn't mean anything if they don't work properly; however, it's also possible that the dropouts could just be a result of the audio tracks from the source (especially possible when it's not happening all the time).
post #7554 of 10468
I'm having a very annoying sound problem with Denon 3313ci and my HTPC : half of the time my computer boots or restart, i don't have any sound and

The only way to get back my sound is to reboot my HTPC or restart my receiver.

I've had issues with hdmi video handshake in the past, so i have tried the EDID override trick and ended up buying a Gefen HDMI Detective. That fixed all problems i had with hdmi handshake. But now i'm having problems with audio

I have tried to remove my HDMI Detective but i'm still having problems with audio.

I've tried different sound mode on my receiver and it doesn't change anything. Currently it is set to Multi CH stereo and i'm still having problems. I have also tried with a different input and tried letting the receiver set the sound mode by itself.

setup:

- HTPC with sound over hdmi
- HIS iSilence H775P1GD Radeon HD 7750
- Denon 3313ci
- Windows 8
Edited by anarchoi - 5/2/13 at 7:57pm
post #7555 of 10468
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Originally Posted by D Bone View Post

Sounds like HDMI control is on. I don't know why it didn't happen before and does now. Did you recently change the HDMI control setting?

D Bone - you were correct turning the LG Simplink (hdmi control) off fixed it. I have no idea why the issue just started. It has been that way since day 1. I recently unplugged everything during a storm. Maybe things got out of sync.
post #7556 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Ozzie Isaac View Post

D Bone - you were correct turning the LG Simplink (hdmi control) off fixed it. I have no idea why the issue just started. It has been that way since day 1. I recently unplugged everything during a storm. Maybe things got out of sync.

Glad to hear it!
post #7557 of 10468
Thanks. I bought the AirPort Express but according to Apple it can only act as a bridge to a an Apple network, not to another such as FiOs which is what I have. I'm somewhat skeptical though as I've seen other posts elsewhere claiming success in doing so. If you have any more insight I'd appreciate it.

Thanks.

ANCyM71
post #7558 of 10468
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Originally Posted by ancym71 View Post

Thanks. I bought the AirPort Express but according to Apple it can only act as a bridge to a an Apple network, not to another such as FiOs which is what I have. I'm somewhat skeptical though as I've seen other posts elsewhere claiming success in doing so. If you have any more insight I'd appreciate it.

Thanks.

ANCyM71

I am using the Airport Express with my setup and it works great! I had some (frustrating) time getting it set up (just some security issues that weren't explained well), but once I got it figured out, it's been working like a champ ever since! I have a UVerse Wifi router in one bedroom and the AE connected to the 3313 downstairs via wifi and I have yet to have any networking problems. I have even downloaded and installed (successfully) 2 updates already... smile.gif
post #7559 of 10468
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Originally Posted by anarchoi View Post

I'm having a very annoying sound problem with Denon 3313ci and my HTPC : half of the time my computer boots or restart, i don't have any sound and

The only way to get back my sound is to reboot my HTPC or restart my receiver.

I've had issues with hdmi video handshake in the past, so i have tried the EDID override trick and ended up buying a Gefen HDMI Detective. That fixed all problems i had with hdmi handshake. But now i'm having problems with audio

I have tried to remove my HDMI Detective but i'm still having problems with audio.

I've tried different sound mode on my receiver and it doesn't change anything. Currently it is set to Multi CH stereo and i'm still having problems. I have also tried with a different input and tried letting the receiver set the sound mode by itself.

setup:

- HTPC with sound over hdmi
- HIS iSilence H775P1GD Radeon HD 7750
- Denon 3313ci
- Windows 8


There's a utility which makes HDMI audio much more reliable with Nvidia cards. I dunno if it helps with AMD Radeon cards. See http://www.avsforum.com/t/1317491/silent-stream-bug
post #7560 of 10468
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Originally Posted by ancym71 View Post

Thanks. I bought the AirPort Express but according to Apple it can only act as a bridge to a an Apple network, not to another such as FiOs which is what I have. I'm somewhat skeptical though as I've seen other posts elsewhere claiming success in doing so. If you have any more insight I'd appreciate it.

Thanks.

ANCyM71
I think there was a misunderstanding regarding "Apple network". It is a device designed to bridge or extend a network that happens to have some cool functionality with iOS devices, but will support other devices as well.
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