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post #7621 of 10468
i just bought a 2313 and i am in the process of hooking everything up.
I don't have HDMI devices currently, and need to use component cables to hook up a Comcast cable box and a DVD player.
I am currently using an outboard box to switch the signals between the cable box/DVD player and the TV.
(The TV has only one hi definition component input).

Does this receiver have the capability to set a default video passthrough for component?
I would like to set the default to cable box whether the receiver is on or off (standby), and then switch to DVD only when the DVD player is on and sending a signal.
This can apparently be done for HDMI but I don't know about Component.
And how might I accomplish this?

Secondly, assuming I am able to do the above, If the receiver is on and passing a video signal to the TV, can I simultaneously listen to audio from a different source (like CD or radio)?
post #7622 of 10468
Thread Starter 
Standby passthrough ONLY works for HDMI sources.

You CAN however mix a non HDMI audio source with a different non HDMI video source. This is accomplished in the "Inputs" menu using the "Video Source" setting (probably easier though using the web browser interface). So, for example, you could start playing a CD, then go to the Video Source setting and choose CBL/SAT to watch TV along with the current audio stream.

Note however that this feature is NOT available for network audio streams; the newer E/X Series models have fixed this limitation.
post #7623 of 10468
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Originally Posted by TK7537 View Post

Hello,

I am very new and still learning. But I was hoping to get some advice.

I am buying my first sound system. Originally, I decided on the sony-str-dn1030 but after reviewing a lot on this website, I am pretty sure I will return it and upgrade to a Denon 2313. I lconsidered buying new X-3000, but there just really did not seem to be that many upgrades in the new model that would be worth the additional costs. I was hoping to spend between 500-700. For the record, the speakers are from the pioneer sp-pk52fs and the sub is the Klisich rw-12d. Probably not very good but that's what is within my budget. Thoughts?

Also, very uninformed question but how important is the reciver in the overall quality of a sound system? I had thought it wasn't that big of a deal and that it was the speakers are more important but now I feel differently.

I agree with JD about the 2113CI. I have one (very affordable refurb direct from Denon). Love its features, Audyssy, AirPlay. There is not a huge power or function difference between the 2113 and the 2313, so consider a 2113 to let you apply some $ to speakers.

My main advice: Speakers and AVR are a balance. Few of us have unlimited funds to spend on our home theatre/audio gear, so we must make choices. The AVR/Speaker choices will affect each other. For instance, an under-performing AVR can make very good speakers sound terrible. Some time back, my great old NAD receiver finally bit the dust. Tight on cash, I had to settle for a regrettable Pioneer VSX920. This made my PSB Image series speakers sound horrible. Also, an under-powered AVR can actually kill speakers, even good ones. The Denon 2113CI has brought them back to life. Conversly, a very good receiver will certainly sound disappointing through weak speakers.
You may prioritize your speakers. If you listen to music, mostly, concentrate on the mains first. If home theater is your main thing, the center channel is crucial. In my experience, surrounds and the Sub can be improved later as funds allow.
Glad you didn't go for the Sony. You would have regretted it.
Good luck. Enjoy.
post #7624 of 10468
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Originally Posted by darkeclypse View Post

I'm having a USB problem.. Its a newer month+ 3313CI and I just first used the USB port on it for the first time 2 days ago with a USB flash drive with some .flac music files on it and it worked perfectly.. Now after I deleted some of the files it wont work.

I even formatted the drive and put a few .flac files on it to see if it would work again but its still seeing the old list of files that don't exsist on the drive anymore! Its like its not refreshing the files on the drive.

What do I do? reset the receiver after saving the system setup by network?

Ensure the flash drive is formatted in either FAT16 or FAT32.
post #7625 of 10468
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Originally Posted by mdenning View Post

Hey all, I'm having an issue hopefully someone has seen and/or knows how to fix. I recently moved and when I reconnected all my equipment, my AVR (3313) has been defaulting to DIRECT when using my DVR (same dvr as at the previous house). If I manually change it via remote to "Movie", then "Direct", then back to "Movie", it will go back to Dolby Digital, however next time I turn on my system, it is back on DIRECT.

Ive attempted a reset of both the DVR and my 3313, but it seems to still be doing it.

Anyone have ideas?

Try unplugging the AVR for a few minutes and then do another reset as that should have resolved the issue the first time. Also note that if you are using a Quick Select, remember to memorize the Quick Select after setting the DD movie mode.
post #7626 of 10468
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Originally Posted by mdenning View Post

Hey all, I'm having an issue hopefully someone has seen and/or knows how to fix. I recently moved and when I reconnected all my equipment, my AVR (3313) has been defaulting to DIRECT when using my DVR (same dvr as at the previous house). If I manually change it via remote to "Movie", then "Direct", then back to "Movie", it will go back to Dolby Digital, however next time I turn on my system, it is back on DIRECT.

Ive attempted a reset of both the DVR and my 3313, but it seems to still be doing it.

Anyone have ideas?

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Try unplugging the AVR for a few minutes and then do another reset as that should have resolved the issue the first time. Also note that if you are using a Quick Select, remember to memorize the Quick Select after setting the DD movie mode.

I have found that resets work best when HDMI pass through is set to "off", and Network is set to "always off"....

Your mileage may vary...
post #7627 of 10468
I'm thinking about getting a 2113 (or the 2313, depending on availability). I live in Australia, so my options are few, but expensive. :\

It will be for a dedicated 7.1 theatre room used for watching movies only, either Blu-rays from my player, or Blu-ray rips from my HTPC. I currently have the Onkyo 1007, and I routinely watch at anywhere from -10dB to -6dB, so yeah, pretty much at the levels you'd expect at a real theatre.

The 2113 would do me proud, then? I will only shoot for the 2313 if my local store doesn't have the 2113 in stock but are willing to drop the 2313's price a little smile.gif

Edit: Oh yeah and I can use banana plugs with these receivers, right? I figure it's about time I started using those things. Anyone have any recommendations with regards to which ones I go with? I've heard there are a few different types.
Edited by Venturai - 5/7/13 at 5:33am
post #7628 of 10468
^^^ @mdenning

There is a Setting in Audio Setup Called Auto Surround Mode that will memorize your audio settings per input. Make sure it set to On other wise if you listen to a Music dvd or something with your network feature in a different mode it will carry that mode to the next input.
Edited by spager - 5/7/13 at 5:19am
post #7629 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Venturai View Post

I'm thinking about getting a 2113 (or the 2313, depending on availability). I live in Australia, so my options are few, but expensive. :\

It will be for a dedicated 7.1 theatre room used for watching movies only, either Blu-rays from my player, or Blu-ray rips from my HTPC. I currently have the Onkyo 1007, and I routinely watch at anywhere from -10dB to -6dB, so yeah, pretty much at the levels you'd expect at a real theatre.

The 2113 would do me proud, then? I will only shoot for the 2313 if my local store doesn't have the 2113 in stock but are willing to drop the 2313's price a little smile.gif

Edit: Oh yeah and I can use banana plugs with these receivers, right? I figure it's about time I started using those things. Anyone have any recommendations with regards to which ones I go with? I've heard there are a few different types.

You should download and compare the manuals for the models of receivers available in Australia. Most of the people posting here are referring to the CI models available in the U.S., which are not the same as tne non-CI models available in Australia. One major difference is that the U.S. 2n13 CI models do not have preamp outputs, while at least the 2313 does.
post #7630 of 10468
Thread Starter 
Venturai -- what's wrong with your current receiver? The cheapest option of course is to simply stick with what you have.

It's pretty much impossible to make a recommendation without understanding what you feel is missing currently.

Also, considering the volume levels, make sure to include the speaker models as you are in the zone where power ratings will matter.
post #7631 of 10468
I'm having trouble trying to figure out how to properly use ARC with the Denon 2113. My setup is a Tivo premiere in HDMI1 and a Panasonic Blu-ray player in HDMI2 of the Denon 2113. I have the HDMI out from the receiver going into the HDMI2 input of my Panasonic P55ST50. I use HDMI2 since that's the one that's labled ARC.

But now I don't know what else I need to do to get audio from the TV source. I have a camera connected to the TV's USB and I use it for Skype on the TV via the app on the TV. I can't figure out how to get sound out from the AVR/speaker setup without using an optical cable from the TV to the AVR. I thought that maybe I need to setup the TV sound input on the AVR but I don't know what to put in that setting as nothing seems to apply. so I just left it as none.

Can anyone give me some guidance on properly using the ARC feature of the TV and AVR?

Thanks for the help.
post #7632 of 10468
Just called Electronics Expo on a fishing expedition. No 2113CI's in stock... haven't had any for a while... don't expect any more in. 2313CI is $599. No X2000's in stock.
post #7633 of 10468
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by NYHeel View Post

I'm having trouble trying to figure out how to properly use ARC with the Denon 2113. My setup is a Tivo premiere in HDMI1 and a Panasonic Blu-ray player in HDMI2 of the Denon 2113. I have the HDMI out from the receiver going into the HDMI2 input of my Panasonic P55ST50. I use HDMI2 since that's the one that's labled ARC.

But now I don't know what else I need to do to get audio from the TV source. I have a camera connected to the TV's USB and I use it for Skype on the TV via the app on the TV. I can't figure out how to get sound out from the AVR/speaker setup without using an optical cable from the TV to the AVR. I thought that maybe I need to setup the TV sound input on the AVR but I don't know what to put in that setting as nothing seems to apply. so I just left it as none.

Can anyone give me some guidance on properly using the ARC feature of the TV and AVR?

Thanks for the help.

On the receiver side, all you do is turn HDMI Control on. That's it. When HDMI Control is on, you can't assign an HDMI input to the "TV Audio" input because it is now "locked in" expecting a return audio signal from the TV (either via optical or ARC).

Everything else is up to the TV. I believe you need to change the sound setting to "External Speakers" or "Home Theater" or something like that. Also you need to have VieraLink enabled.

Then just switch to the "TV Audio" input on the receiver. If you aren't getting audio, it's something on the TV side.
post #7634 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

You should download and compare the manuals for the models of receivers available in Australia. Most of the people posting here are referring to the CI models available in the U.S., which are not the same as tne non-CI models available in Australia. One major difference is that the U.S. 2n13 CI models do not have preamp outputs, while at least the 2313 does.

Thanks mate, that's good advice, I'll look into that.
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Venturai -- what's wrong with your current receiver? The cheapest option of course is to simply stick with what you have.

It's pretty much impossible to make a recommendation without understanding what you feel is missing currently.

Also, considering the volume levels, make sure to include the speaker models as you are in the zone where power ratings will matter.

My current receiver isn't faulty or anything, it's just that I'm looking to upgrade to a newer one that can do 3D over HDMI, and my older Onkyo cannot.

Okay, so as far as my speakers go, these are my fronts,this is my centre, these are my sides, and these are my back surrounds. And just out of curiosity, my sub is the Seaton SubMersive.
post #7635 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Venturai View Post

Edit: Oh yeah and I can use banana plugs with these receivers, right? I figure it's about time I started using those things. Anyone have any recommendations with regards to which ones I go with? I've heard there are a few different types.

Right.
post #7636 of 10468
Thread Starter 
Gotcha. The reason I asked is simply because the Onkyo 1007 is a completely different level of receiver. It cost $1,500+ (USA) msrp, has 9 channels of amplification, THX Ultra2 certification, and weighs around 50lbs. It already has MultEQ XT, Dynamic EQ/Vol, plus Audyssey DSX. I would be cautious about swapping for a newer receiver that is not only less than half the price, but less than half the weight.

Normally power is overrated and the amp section of something like the 2113 is plenty sufficient, but you are powering a full 7ch setup to nearly full reference volume. Eyeballing your speaker specs they seem fairly sensitive, but not overly so. Just seems a shame to make this swap just for 3D support. Have you considered instead getting a dual-HDMI output Blu-ray player rather than swapping to a newer, but much lower level receiver?
post #7637 of 10468
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Have you considered instead getting a dual-HDMI output Blu-ray player rather than swapping to a newer, but much lower level receiver?

I have, yeah, but most of my usage these days is through the HTPC cause I just can't stand disc-swapping. Unless there's some sort of dual-hdmi-out setup for the PC that I can consider.

You're right though, the 1007 is a very capable receiver, and ordinarily, upgrading to something like Sony's S790 would be a far cheaper, and wiser, solution for me.
post #7638 of 10468
Thread Starter 
I have to imagine there are dual HDMI output video cards for htpc setups.
post #7639 of 10468
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Originally Posted by ColterLovette View Post

Ok, well if I may make a suggestion if you're looking at changing equipment...

Instead of returning the express, buy a nicer router like one of the few below to add to what you have:

Linksys
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007IL6OR2

Apple (If your on Apple systems, I have had a TON of good reviews years after installing these. They seem to do very well)

Extreme (If you're on a budget) & TimeCapsule (Best) listings: http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac/mac_accessories

If you buy the Apple hardware keep your express as I have a hunch you'll have much more success with it afterward and the whole system will work as wanted.

Buying one of the above will pull you off of the routing system in the FIO's so you'll essentially dumb that box down to just a modem and have your own router do all the thinking. I recommend this anyway on any data connection. Gives you more power/control and I think some of the issues your experiencing is from the FIOs box being a restrictive pain.

Just some thoughts. We should probably move this to PM if you need further info so we quit hijacking this AV thread. wink.gif

Good Luck!

-Colter

At the risk of beating a dead horse I called Apple again for S & Gs and after carefully and in painstaking detail explain my non-Apple FiOs home network system I asked the $6400 question: Can I use Apple Express as a WIRELESS bridge from the 3313 to my home network. Apple's tech was equally clear and detailed in her reply: NO, it cannot be used in that manner on a non-Apple network.

So, is this bull? I have a week before I can't return the Express to Apple and if I can't use it I'd like to return it and buy something that will work as a media bridge.

Sorry for going on and on about this, but really it's been an education and I appreciate everyone's help!

ANCyM71
post #7640 of 10468
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Originally Posted by ancym71 View Post

At the risk of beating a dead horse I called Apple again for S & Gs and after carefully and in painstaking detail explain my non-Apple FiOs home network system I asked the $6400 question: Can I use Apple Express as a WIRELESS bridge from the 3313 to my home network. Apple's tech was equally clear and detailed in her reply: NO, it cannot be used in that manner on a non-Apple network.

So, is this bull? I have a week before I can't return the Express to Apple and if I can't use it I'd like to return it and buy something that will work as a media bridge.

Sorry for going on and on about this, but really it's been an education and I appreciate everyone's help!

ANCyM71
That's completely contrary to the description on their website. For that price it damn sure better act as a bridge, repeater, etc... I'd send it back and buy a dedicated bridge. The D-Link DAP-1522 worked great for me, that said I also have a D-Link router. It was about $70 after shipping.
post #7641 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Ryan25 View Post

That's completely contrary to the description on their website. For that price it damn sure better act as a bridge, repeater, etc... I'd send it back and buy a dedicated bridge. The D-Link DAP-1522 worked great for me, that said I also have a D-Link router. It was about $70 after shipping.

Thanks. I read a few reviews of the D-Link you recommend and a common theme was how difficult it is to set up as a media bridge. What's your take? Mind you, I am NOT a tech person in any way. I can muddle my way through setting up the wifi connection on my MacBook Pro but installing and setting up routers, bridges, knowing the difference between WAN and LAN is not my strong suit. I need something that is dead simple to set up and that needs little attention after it's up and running.

The "Official" Denon xx13 Owner's Thread and FAQs pointed out these can work as bridges in order to use AirPlay. What are your thoughts on the makers and/or specific models cited?

http://www.amazon.com/TRENDnet-Wireless-4-Port-Bridge-TEW-640MB/dp/B004FMI3DA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1308997797&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-WNCE2001-Universal-Internet-Adapter/dp/B003KPBRRW?tag=viglink121847-20

http://www.amazon.com/Cisco-Linksys-WET610N-Dual-Band-Wireless-N-Adapter/dp/B001QVQ7JU?tag=viglink121847-20
post #7642 of 10468
That's exactly why I suggested that bridge...with the caveat that I have a D-Link router. I plugged the DAP in and pressed the WPS button, I was then given 60 secs to press the WPS button on the router, it was up and running in less than 2 mins.

My belief is that any of the bridges will work, but matching the brand with your router will allow for a more seamless setup.

What router are you using, is it fairly modern?
post #7643 of 10468
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I have to imagine there are dual HDMI output video cards for htpc setups.

I didn't get any hits doing a local search, but you've given me an idea which I'll try out tonight. I'll try a dvi to hdmi cable tonight and see if I can get 3d working with that if I just hdmi the audio straight to my receiver.

Thanks mate.
post #7644 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Ryan25 View Post

That's exactly why I suggested that bridge...with the caveat that I have a D-Link router. I plugged the DAP in and pressed the WPS button, I was then given 60 secs to press the WPS button on the router, it was up and running in less than 2 mins.

My belief is that any of the bridges will work, but matching the brand with your router will allow for a more seamless setup.

What router are you using, is it fairly modern?

It's an Actiontec provided by Verizon. It's been working very well. We've recently moved it to the main floor of our house as part of a renovation. The signal was always strong even when it was in the basement - save for a dead spot or two - but now it's even better. Do do you know anything about Actiontec? The reviews on Amazon are good overall. I'm considering this one: http://www.amazon.com/Actiontec-Wireless-N-Modem-Router-GT784WN/dp/B004NBZ98K/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1368002242&sr=1-1&keywords=actiontec+bridge



ANCyM71
post #7645 of 10468
^^
If you haven't run into this issue yet, keep in mind the following tip on using Actiontec routers with Airplay.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465528/the-official-2013-denon-e-series-x-series-avr-model-owners-thread-faq/0_100#user_L1
post #7646 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Venturai View Post

I'll try a dvi to hdmi cable tonight and see if I can get 3d working with that if I just hdmi the audio straight to my receiver.

Unfortunately, that didn't work. The computer got confused when I attempted playback of anything, because it was picking up the two display devices; 1 being the projector, and 2 being the receiver. I did try disabling the hdmi display device that was listed as the receiver, but then it wouldn't output the sound either. As luck would have it, I haven't been able to find a graphics card with dual-hdmi out, nor even a sound card with hdmi out. And while I can see there are powered hdmi splitters available for purchase, I would assume such a device wouldn't work when connected to a pc because, once again, it would show two display devices being connected.

So yeah, it looks like I've come full-circle. I've got two choices then, really; settle for a Blu-ray player with dual HDMI out, or... would the 2113 or 2313 have what I need?
post #7647 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
If you haven't run into this issue yet, keep in mind the following tip on using Actiontec routers with Airplay.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465528/the-official-2013-denon-e-series-x-series-avr-model-owners-thread-faq/0_100#user_L1

Thanks. Any thoughts on Actiontec products in general? The Verizon provided one has worked fine and without incident. I figure I can't go wrong and might do myself a favor vis-a-vis compatibility, ease of set up by going with the same brand for the media bridge hook up.

ANCyM71
post #7648 of 10468
Venturai,

Some of the "professional" graphics cards have dual HDMI outputs. The Nvidia Quadro FX 580 in my computer at work has one DVI plus two HDMI outputs. I suspect you'd still have the display confusion, though.

There are HDMI devices which can be configured to provide a specific EDID so the computer wouldn't see the ones provided by the displays. A Web search for "EDID emulator" turns up quite a few. I believe some switches include that functionality, but a quick Web search wasn't particularly helpful.
post #7649 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Venturai,

Some of the "professional" graphics cards have dual HDMI outputs. The Nvidia Quadro FX 580 in my computer at work has one DVI plus two HDMI outputs. I suspect you'd still have the display confusion, though.

There are HDMI devices which can be configured to provide a specific EDID so the computer wouldn't see the ones provided by the displays. A Web search for "EDID emulator" turns up quite a few. I believe some switches include that functionality, but a quick Web search wasn't particularly helpful.

Thanks mate. At this stage I'm all but convinced that a new receiver is the way to go. It's a shame to have to do away with my trusty 1007, but that 3D itch is one that's begging to be scratched, because what I've seen thus far projected onto my 120" screen has looked nothing short of fabulous.

I assume nobody here has had problems with either the 2113 or 2313 running a full 7.1 setup at near reference in a dedicated room? I shouldn't have a problem with at least the 2313, surely.
post #7650 of 10468
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Originally Posted by ancym71 View Post

At the risk of beating a dead horse I called Apple again for S & Gs and after carefully and in painstaking detail explain my non-Apple FiOs home network system I asked the $6400 question: Can I use Apple Express as a WIRELESS bridge from the 3313 to my home network. Apple's tech was equally clear and detailed in her reply: NO, it cannot be used in that manner on a non-Apple network.

So, is this bull? I have a week before I can't return the Express to Apple and if I can't use it I'd like to return it and buy something that will work as a media bridge.

Sorry for going on and on about this, but really it's been an education and I appreciate everyone's help!

ANCyM71

I've used my old apple express (previous generation) as a bridge back when I was running a linksys router as my main unit.

Refer your support person to this:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1731
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