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Take another look. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Take another look. wink.gif

I did & it still has 7 (Seven) sets of Analog inputs.
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

I did & it still has 7 (Seven) sets of Analog inputs.

For 7 individual components. Not multichannel input.
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

I did & it still has 7 (Seven) sets of Analog inputs.

For 7 individual components. Not multichannel input.

My mistake; goes with trying to read from this iPhone
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DOH!!! wink.gif
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

@ceh383 -- Not to discount your experience -- as I'm sure you heard what you heard in your room and were careful with your setup methodology -- but I would caution that your experience is truly unique and should not be generalized to any broad conclusion about XT vs. XT32. As you already know, your experience runs contrary to that of nearly every other person who has stepped up to XT32. Plus, on a theoretical level, it simply doesn't make any sense. XT32 is a much enhanced version of XT (or as Splicer put it, "XT on steroids"). It not only has far greater resolution for calculating EQ filters, but it also appears to have an evolved philosophy of dedicated more of those enhanced resources to smoothing out the bass frequencies. There is no logical reason why XT32 would do a WORSE job of correcting the bass than XT, and I don't think anyone should worry that it will make the bass "boomier" -- if anything, it makes the bass so smooth that somebody who is used to the boomier bass of a less-corrected system might think the bass has been "turned down".

I can tell you that in my brief experience with XT32, having gone through regular MultEQ (2310) and XT (2113), my experience definitely parallels that of the majority. The bass is smoother, less boomy, and better defined than it has ever been, and the overall system cohesion and clarity is slightly better as well.

So not to poop on your post tongue.gif but just wanted to make sure that the "general public" is aware that your experience is well outside the norm in this context.

As I said, most, if not all would disagree, I also qualified my statement with "After running both versions I found, at least in my room, the 3313 with XT sounded better."

Before running Audyssey (on both AVR's) I ran some REW sweeps, and found a rather large boost in the 30~50Hz range. I used a MiniDSP to help correct this issue, and it helped a great deal.
After running XT on the 3313 the FR got even better, and it sounded that way, nice and clean.

After running XT32, the boost I cut with the MiniDSP was back, not as bad, but it was there. The next step was to take the MiniDSP out and rerun Audyssey...No real difference.
At this point I had a failure with the 4520 and sent it back for a replacement. The second 4520 arrived and I had it 2-1/2 days before it had a different failure. I didn't even have a chance to run Audyssey. I sent it back for a refund. Perhaps the unit I got had more issues than what failed, I don't know.

I now have the 3313 in my bedroom and it sounds great there as well.

Since I got rid of the 4520 and moved the 3313, I deleted the REW measurements....Stupid I know, cause right now I'd love to post them....
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Originally Posted by Splicer010 View Post

DOH!!! wink.gif

My statement was not untrue; I was just comparing two differ things...
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Thread Starter 
Unfortunately only one of them was the thing we were actually talking about tongue.gif
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So what model does he have to go back to for amci?
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3310CI .... but moot point really as the OP has a 3313CI and more importantly using EXT IN jacks would disable Audyssey and the majority prefer using HDMI with Audyssey for SACD.
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Good point just a matter of what does the D/A conversion.
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

3310CI .... but moot point really as the OP has a 3313CI and more importantly using EXT IN jacks would disable Audyssey and the majority prefer using HDMI with Audyssey for SACD.

I used multichannel analog from my DV-48AV before going to the 3313. I now use HDMI for both SACD and DVD-A and it works fine. Fewer cables along with the benefit of Audyssey. The downside is the resolution of the DV-48AV has to be set to at least 720P for multichannel SACD or DVD-a over HDMI. Normally it is set to 480 for DVDs and the Radiance does the upscaling. I was able to program my MX-980 to change the resolution based on content so this is no longer a problem.
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Originally Posted by TheSly View Post

Hi fellow Denoners!

I've had a 2313 for a few months and ever since I set it up there has been a video/audio issue. While watching something the screen will go black and the audio will cut out for around 3secs, then it will come back on again and continue working. This will happen multiple times in short succession.

I've noticed it happens after an hour or so of watching. It also occurs on multiple HDMI inputs and I only use HDMI as output. I've noticed it on the projector, but haven't had a chance to test it on the 2nd output, which is a TV.

I store the amp in a floating cabinet that is mounted around 12cm off the wall, so has an open back, but has a door on the front left slightly open for air flow.

I'm thinking it might be heat related as in the past when it's happened I've opened the cabinet door and vented it a little, and it's stopped. There is around 4-6cm on sides and on top in the cavity it sits and the heat/top is no hotter than I would expect it to be.

I've reviewed the troubleshooting in this thread, and searched online, and see no mention of this kind of problem, so I was wondering if others have encountered it, and have any suggestions as I was thinking of calling Denon to see if they would be able to solve it under warranty.

Thanks,

Just an update on this. I was watching the projector tonight and the black out happened, waited a bit and it did it again, so I switched the projector off and just used the TV, and the same thing happened a few mins later. Guess that proves it's not the HDMI cable, unless they are both gone. I'll need to try the heat issue now. I'll put a thermometer above it to see what temps it gets too, and possibly blow a fan in there when it happens to see if it helps.
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AVR-3313CI Firmware Update

Anyone know what fixes/features are in Firmware 1490-1179-0000-4120-2987? Got the notification this morning and (yes) downloaded and installed it. Uneventful.
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

3310CI .... but moot point really as the OP has a 3313CI and more importantly using EXT IN jacks would disable Audyssey and the majority prefer using HDMI with Audyssey for SACD.

Yeah, trying to use the EXT IN jacks was stupid pilot error on my part. The problem as I see it isn't necessarily with the 3313, rather, it's with the DVD-3910 since it is incapable of outputting a DSD signal over HDMI. The only available options for it are analog out (not possible with the 3313) or D-link (the older D-link connection is not compatible with the newer 3313 variant). Since I still have an AVR-3805, I guess I will keep it in service for 3910 use until such time I can upgrade to a new universal Blu-ray player like the Oppo. I also have an older (fat) PS3 with SACD capability hooked up to the 3313, so I can play SACD's through it over HDMI. I was just hoping to consolidate everything over to the 3313 using a more elegant solution than the PS3 for high-res audio, but it appears that can't be done for now...
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Originally Posted by alanh220 View Post

AVR-3313CI Firmware Update

Anyone know what fixes/features are in Firmware 1490-1179-0000-4120-2987? Got the notification this morning and (yes) downloaded and installed it. Uneventful.

Post #6 updated with changelog info.
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I use the 2nd link ones and they work just fine.
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Originally Posted by jaspal86 View Post

Can someone tell me what kind of banana plugs they use with this receiver, I've read about fitment issues with some of the ones I've been looking at.

http://www.amazon.com/Sewell-Direct-SW-29863-12-Deadbolt-12-Pair/dp/B006U3O566/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1369256996&sr=1-4&keywords=monoprice+banana+plugs

http://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-109436-High-Quality-Copper-Speaker/dp/B0097JLQVC/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1369256996&sr=1-1&keywords=monoprice+banana+plugs

Do people prefer the open or closed screw type?

I think closed are the best.
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Thread Starter 
FYI -- you're in the wrong thread, the E/X Series models are this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465528/the-official-2013-denon-e-series-x-series-avr-model-owners-thread-faq

The 4306 was a $2k flagship type unit, not really a fair comparison to an ~$800 mid level receiver.
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Just got a notification so I updated to 1490-1179-0000-4120-2987 on my AVR-3313ci. I don't see a changelog anywhere. Anyone know where I might find one?
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I have a Denon 3313 CI a Panasonic TCP65VT50 and a Samsung BDP3600 Blu-Ray player.

Bought most of the stuff in January February time frame (except the Samsung, its old) I hooked all up with HDMI cables and after messing with some handshake issues between TV and AVR the audio return channel and Denon's In-Command all worked flawlessly until last Sunday. I moved some equipment and ran the HDMI and speaker cables through a wire channel to clean up the back wall. Now ARC and In-Command no longer works and sometimes the audio out of the Denon goes away and I have to do a reset to get it back... I have spent hours on the phone with denon tech support and we have not been able to solve the problem. Picture moves from cable dvr to Denon to TV no problem and standby works. Audio from dvr to denon no problem. Audio return for Net flix no longer works. In-command that allowed me to use cable remote for either TV in standby or AVR when it is on no longer works. Power on blu-ray and In command would swithch avr input. that no longer works..

I have reset the Denon. I have disconnected all cables and powered off waited over an hour reconnected stil does not work. I have cycled CEC control on VT50, Blu-ray and denon countless times all to no avail. I can't believe that all three cables decided to quit at the same time and just for ARC and In command. I have no idea where to go or what to do at this point.

Any ideas???????
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Originally Posted by rangerbob View Post

Audio return for Net flix no longer works.
I have a GT50 with a 1913 and I haven't ever been able to get ARC to work FWIW.

That sucks, you're rocking pretty close to my dream set-up and having issues like that. Did you call Panny? Where'd you buy the gear? Some retailers will offer tech support.
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

On the receiver side, all you do is turn HDMI Control on. That's it. When HDMI Control is on, you can't assign an HDMI input to the "TV Audio" input because it is now "locked in" expecting a return audio signal from the TV (either via optical or ARC).

Everything else is up to the TV. I believe you need to change the sound setting to "External Speakers" or "Home Theater" or something like that. Also you need to have VieraLink enabled.

Then just switch to the "TV Audio" input on the receiver. If you aren't getting audio, it's something on the TV side.
Thanks for the help. The HDMI Control was the answer. Now ARC is working correctly. However Hdmi control created a problem with my Harmony one. Now when I power up, the AVR just goes to the most recent input. I always have to press help to get the AVR to the proper input. Is there an input delay I should use on the harmony? Should I change the order of what's powered on?

I know it's the hdmi control as I've eliminated all other variables.
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Those kinds of problems are not usual with ARC. You may find an optical connections works better than ARC.
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Originally Posted by BIslander View Post

Those kinds of problems are not usual with ARC. You may find an optical connections works better than ARC.
For me, it just doesn't matter that much. I can just as easily fire up the PS3 or ATV.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mvalpreda View Post

Just got a notification so I updated to 1490-1179-0000-4120-2987 on my AVR-3313ci. I don't see a changelog anywhere. Anyone know where I might find one?

Fail. Look a whole five posts up from yours wink.gif
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Originally Posted by BIslander View Post

Those kinds of problems are not usual with ARC. You may find an optical connections works better than ARC.

I totally agree, I have the Denon 3313 CI, Panasonic TCP65VT50 and a Sony DBP-S790 Blu-Ray player and for audio from any app from my TV(internet browser, Netflix, Hulu +, YouTube apps and also when I stream videos through DLNA from my home PC using the DLNA option on the TV) I found it to work best using the optical out from the TV and running that back to the 3313 and selecting that as the audio versus using ARC. Just simpler and cleaner in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by jreedar View Post

I totally agree, I have the Denon 3313 CI, Panasonic TCP65VT50 and a Sony DBP-S790 Blu-Ray player and for audio from any app from my TV(internet browser, Netflix, Hulu +, YouTube apps and also when I stream videos through DLNA from my home PC using the DLNA option on the TV) I found it to work best using the optical out from the TV and running that back to the 3313 and selecting that as the audio versus using ARC. Just simpler and cleaner in my opinion.

IMHO, in order for ARC to be truly useful, they need to separate it from the rest of the HDMI control. The fact that you are forced to turn on CEC when you want to use ARC is rather annoying, as CEC has a tendency to cause all sorts of undesirable side effects.
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Though I read through the manual and did some searches here, I was unable to find answer to my questions regarding Zone 2 setup on my Denon 3313 receiver. Pardon me if my questions seem too naive smile.gif

Background: I have a 7.2 setup in my Main Zone and I am looking to use Zone 2 to connect to my outdoor speakers (to be purchased) on the patio.

Questions:

1. As I understand, the output from Zone 2 will need to be fed to another amp (Old Onkyo receiver, via regular red/white audio cable) and the outdoor speakers would need to be connected to that amp. Is this correct?

2. I only plan to use Denon's HD Radio and AirPlay feature to output from Zone 2. Is that feasible?

3. In this proposed setup, I would be able to still watch movies on my Main Zone 7.2 setup, while Zone 2 streams AirPlay on the outdoor speakers, correct?

4. Am I missing anything that I need to consider in this setup?

5. I am planning to use 16ga. Burial Speaker Wire for outdoor speakers. Is that good or should I use PVC conduit?

6. Though this is not the right thread for outdoor speakers recommendation, if anyone has any suggestions, please feel free to pitch in. I am considering a pair of BOSE FreeSpace 51 speakers for now.

Thanks in advance for your assistance.
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