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post #7921 of 10467
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1. Correct -- if you are using all 7 amps for main zone, you need to add external amplification for other zones

2. Yep -- all analog, USB, and network inputs will go to Zone 2/3

3. Yep -- just remember that when you start up Airplay it will initially "hijack" the main zone, after which you can switch main zone back to the movie and Airplay will continue in Zone 2

4. Nope

5. Depends on your situation really -- will the wire be run in a location that poses a risk of accidentally damage from a stray shovel or something? Then you might want to run it through some PVC. But even if you bury some PVC to protect the wire I would still recommend wire rated for outdoor / burial use, as anything outdoor is going to be exposed to the elements and you don't want the jacket corroding.
post #7922 of 10467
A very general question here, but to someone who doesn't know a whole, whole lot about these receivers...

Is setting up Audyssey plus the manual crossovers at 80 about all there is to optimizing what the 1713 can do? I also upgraded firmware, but curious if there is anything else in the menu setup or setting wise that is a "must change from default?" Thanks.
post #7923 of 10467
Thanks Batpig! You've always come to my rescue. smile.gif
post #7924 of 10467
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post


3. Yep -- just remember that when you start up Airplay it will initially "hijack" the main zone, after which you can switch main zone back to the movie and Airplay will continue in Zone 2

Is there a way to permanently assign AirPlay to Zone 2 so that this doesn't happen?
post #7925 of 10467
I am generally pleased with the 5.1 movie sound I am getting from the 3313CI. For the most part, it is a significant upgrade over the 3805 I had been using. One thing is bugging me, though. There seems to be an intermittent issue where the volume level of the center channel periodically, significantly drops. The best way I can describe what's happening is that it sounds like a limiter is kicking in. For no apparent reason, the center channel acts like it's hit a peak or something, the volume drops, and then it slowly raises back up to normal. I've redone the Audyssey setup a couple of times now, but it doesn't seem to make a difference. I notice this happening most often when there is a decent amount of activity coming from the rear surrounds, but randomly, at other times as well. Is this normal? Also, this only seems to happen when Audyssey is engaged (Dynamic EQ = ON; Level = Light). I believe I have everything else turned off. I'm a bit bummed because I am enjoying the benefit of the Audyssey EQ, but this behavior is distracting to say the least.
post #7926 of 10467
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3. Yep -- just remember that when you start up Airplay it will initially "hijack" the main zone, after which you can switch main zone back to the movie and Airplay will continue in Zone 2

Is there a way to permanently assign AirPlay to Zone 2 so that this doesn't happen?

No. AirPlay sees the receiver as one "speaker".
post #7927 of 10467
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by tuffluck View Post

A very general question here, but to someone who doesn't know a whole, whole lot about these receivers...

Is setting up Audyssey plus the manual crossovers at 80 about all there is to optimizing what the 1713 can do? I also upgraded firmware, but curious if there is anything else in the menu setup or setting wise that is a "must change from default?" Thanks.

First off, you don't necessarily want to set all the crossovers at 80. Specifically, if any crossover was set HIGHER than 80 you want to leave it as is, lowering crossovers is a no-no.

Second, the only other thing to really worry about is tweaking your Audyssey settings for each input. All the Audyssey settings -- EQ curve, Dyn EQ on/off, Reference Level Offset, and Dyn Vol -- are memorized per input. So for example, you can have your Blu-ray player input set to Audyssey EQ, Dyn EQ on, Dyn Vol off, Ref Offset = 0, but your cable box input might e set to Dyn Vol On Medium, Ref Offset = 10dB. If you aren't sure what this all means check out the various Audyssey FAQ's aggregated here: http://batpigworld.com/wp/?page_id=37
post #7928 of 10467
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Originally Posted by pitchman View Post

I am generally pleased with the 5.1 movie sound I am getting from the 3313CI. For the most part, it is a significant upgrade over the 3805 I had been using. One thing is bugging me, though. There seems to be an intermittent issue where the volume level of the center channel periodically, significantly drops. The best way I can describe what's happening is that it sounds like a limiter is kicking in. For no apparent reason, the center channel acts like it's hit a peak or something, the volume drops, and then it slowly raises back up to normal. I've redone the Audyssey setup a couple of times now, but it doesn't seem to make a difference. I notice this happening most often when there is a decent amount of activity coming from the rear surrounds, but randomly, at other times as well. Is this normal? Also, this only seems to happen when Audyssey is engaged (Dynamic EQ = ON; Level = Light). I believe I have everything else turned off. I'm a bit bummed because I am enjoying the benefit of the Audyssey EQ, but this behavior is distracting to say the least.

Is this happening with all sources or just one (e.g. your cable/sat box)? The culprit here is Dynamic Volume -- note that "Audyssey" is several layers of processing so saying "this only happens when Audyssey is engaged" isn't really that descriptive. The first layer is just the EQ, the second layer is Dynamic EQ (loudness contouring), and the third layer is Dynamic Volume (controlling swings in volume). It's the third part that moves volume levels up/down, so that's likely the cause. Try it with Dyn Vol turned off (but leaving the other Audyssey tech enabled) and verify.

When Dyn Vol first kicks in, it starts the level off low and then "eases in" to find the right average level. Normally, this happens only once when Dyn Vol is engaged, but if there is a brief drop-out in the signal then it will re-do this initial ease in which might be what you are hearing.
post #7929 of 10467
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

First off, you don't necessarily want to set all the crossovers at 80. Specifically, if any crossover was set HIGHER than 80 you want to leave it as is, lowering crossovers is a no-no.

Second, the only other thing to really worry about is tweaking your Audyssey settings for each input. All the Audyssey settings -- EQ curve, Dyn EQ on/off, Reference Level Offset, and Dyn Vol -- are memorized per input. So for example, you can have your Blu-ray player input set to Audyssey EQ, Dyn EQ on, Dyn Vol off, Ref Offset = 0, but your cable box input might e set to Dyn Vol On Medium, Ref Offset = 10dB. If you aren't sure what this all means check out the various Audyssey FAQ's aggregated here: http://batpigworld.com/wp/?page_id=37

Thank you. I believe all of my crossovers were set to 40hz, and the sub at 120hz. So I think 80hz for both makes sense...
post #7930 of 10467
Thread Starter 
The sub setting is NOT a crossover, and it's not set by Audyssey. Definitely sounds like you should follow that link and start reading through some Audyssey 101 wink.gif
post #7931 of 10467
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Is this happening with all sources or just one (e.g. your cable/sat box)? The culprit here is Dynamic Volume -- note that "Audyssey" is several layers of processing so saying "this only happens when Audyssey is engaged" isn't really that descriptive. The first layer is just the EQ, the second layer is Dynamic EQ (loudness contouring), and the third layer is Dynamic Volume (controlling swings in volume). It's the third part that moves volume levels up/down, so that's likely the cause. Try it with Dyn Vol turned off (but leaving the other Audyssey tech enabled) and verify.

When Dyn Vol first kicks in, it starts the level off low and then "eases in" to find the right average level. Normally, this happens only once when Dyn Vol is engaged, but if there is a brief drop-out in the signal then it will re-do this initial ease in which might be what you are hearing.

Thanks for the feedback. It happens from time to time with all inputs (Direct TV/PS3-1/PS3-2/Xbox). I think you are right that it is the Dynamic Volume. What I don't get though, is it's only the center channel speaker where I notice the severe drop in volume. When it happens, if the rear surrounds are active, they almost completely drown out any dialog coming from the center.

I've tried different combinations of settings, but not the one you suggested. I'll try that tonight and see if it does the trick. So far, I've mostly been using Dynamic EQ - OFF, with Dynamic Volume - Light.
post #7932 of 10467
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

The sub setting is NOT a crossover, and it's not set by Audyssey. Definitely sounds like you should follow that link and start reading through some Audyssey 101 wink.gif

So should I leave it at 120hz? Does it hurt that I put it at 80hz?

Looking in that link, which document should I be looking at?
post #7933 of 10467
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Originally Posted by tuffluck View Post

So should I leave it at 120hz? Does it hurt that I put it at 80hz?

Looking in that link, which document should I be looking at?

yes, probably.

no. just potentially cuts out "higher" frequency content from the LFE channel (depending on the mix)

FAQ/Audyssey101. You can find those links on the ifrst post of this thread, too . . .
post #7934 of 10467
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

1. Correct -- if you are using all 7 amps for main zone, you need to add external amplification for other zones

2. Yep -- all analog, USB, and network inputs will go to Zone 2/3

3. Yep -- just remember that when you start up Airplay it will initially "hijack" the main zone, after which you can switch main zone back to the movie and Airplay will continue in Zone 2

4. Nope

5. Depends on your situation really -- will the wire be run in a location that poses a risk of accidentally damage from a stray shovel or something? Then you might want to run it through some PVC. But even if you bury some PVC to protect the wire I would still recommend wire rated for outdoor / burial use, as anything outdoor is going to be exposed to the elements and you don't want the jacket corroding.

you need to add external amps to the main zone too Batpig if you want great sound quality . .. xx13 denon just dont cut it. you need da power

i just hooked up 2 emotiva xpa 1s mono blocks Wow the sound quality is so Amazing .. a big improvement over the xpa 3 which was a massive improvement over my denon 3313ci..

fuller richer smoother faster cleaner clearer and so much better Awesome





cheers biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
post #7935 of 10467
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Originally Posted by tuffluck View Post

So should I leave it at 120hz? Does it hurt that I put it at 80hz?

Looking in that link, which document should I be looking at?

Yes. leave it at the factory default setting of 120Hz. Click on the Audyssey 101/FAQ Guide linked in my sig.
post #7936 of 10467
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Originally Posted by NYHeel View Post

Thanks for the help. The HDMI Control was the answer. Now ARC is working correctly. However Hdmi control created a problem with my Harmony one. Now when I power up, the AVR just goes to the most recent input. I always have to press help to get the AVR to the proper input. Is there an input delay I should use on the harmony? Should I change the order of what's powered on?

I know it's the hdmi control as I've eliminated all other variables.
Does anyone have ARC working and is also using a Harmony remote? If so what did you need to do to get the input to change properly?

Thanks
post #7937 of 10467
IIRC, one option is to add about a 7-8 second pause after the AVR powers on so that after the AVR switches to the TV source the Harmony can then switch to whatever source you want to use.
post #7938 of 10467
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Originally Posted by TroyG View Post

I just purchased this new system and I hope I made a wise choice. I am still in the process of getting all my speakers. For the front main speakers I have a pair of Mirage omni 260 that I had for a while but never used.

Well to start here is my two first questions on my thousand to come:

1. Does my receiver need to stay on all the time to watch my TV as when I shut of the receiver I lose the video.

2. I lost my sound from the TV itself. There will be many times when I just want to use the speakers Especially late night when my son is sleeping. Do I have it hooked up wrong or is it a setting in the receiver. I am only using HDMI cables, is there something else needed.

Well thanks in advance and there will be many questions to follow.

AVR-1613

1. No. Set the "HDMI Control" setting (p. 87 OM) to ON and then set the "Standby Source (p. 87 OM) to the source name you want to pass through when the unit is in Standby (eg. CBL/SAT).

2. See #1. Also note that for a cable/sat box, you may also want to consider connecting the HDMI from the cable/sat box directly to the TV with an optical cable from the cable/sat box to the AVR. This configuration will avoid any possible HDMI handshake issues that may result from a future firmware update to the cable/sat box.
post #7939 of 10467
JD,

Thanks for your reply and help. I am not clear on number #2. Are you saying run the HDMI from my cable box directly into the TV and run an optical cable from my cable box to my AVR?
post #7940 of 10467
I'm looking to upgrade my receiver and have been considering the Denon AVR-2313. I've tried to search the thread but can't find the info I'm looking for, so I'm looking for some advice please!

I have a 2d plasma TV which is used most of the time and a 3d projector for movies, sport and the occasional game. I understand that if they are both connected and on at the same time, that the amp will default to the lowest denominator (in this case the 2d TV) and the projector will not be seen as 3d capable. However, if the TV is off (not in standby, off) will the Denon recognise the projector as 3d and feed that info to the Blu Ray player and the PS3? I'm hoping that it will do this either on its own or with something I can program into a Harmony remote.

I've tried to get this working on an Onkyo 616 and it has major issues in dealing with the two. I need to make sure the Denon doesn't have the same problem before taking the plunge, as I can't get one locally and will have to get it shipped from the UK (I'm based in Ireland), which will be a major pain if it has to go back.

Thanks in advance!
post #7941 of 10467
I recently purchased a Denon 2113 receiver. I want a really nice surround sound system, so I am building it one piece at a time. My first purchase is an HSU HC-1 MK2 Center Channel. I have hooked up the center into the correct inputs, but when I try to set the receiver to tell it that I don't have "front" speakers, the only options are Large and Small. Following batpigs advice to set the option to None for speakers you don't have is not an option.

How can I properly set up the receiver to route all information to the center channel and downmix stereo inputs (ie FM radio) to mono onto the center channel?

This is only until I can purchase some bookshelf speakers for FL and FR.

Thanks!
post #7942 of 10467
Go grab some Dayton B-652's. FL/FR is the first piece of the puzzle, use those til you have the coin to drop on something else, then move them to your surround speakers. Once you upgrade those, use them in Zone 2 on your back patio. $50 can go a longgggggg way.
post #7943 of 10467
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Originally Posted by nickg2027 View Post

I recently purchased a Denon 2113 receiver. I want a really nice surround sound system, so I am building it one piece at a time. My first purchase is an HSU HC-1 MK2 Center Channel. I have hooked up the center into the correct inputs, but when I try to set the receiver to tell it that I don't have "front" speakers, the only options are Large and Small. Following batpigs advice to set the option to None for speakers you don't have is not an option.

How can I properly set up the receiver to route all information to the center channel and downmix stereo inputs (ie FM radio) to mono onto the center channel?

This is only until I can purchase some bookshelf speakers for FL and FR.

Thanks!

There's no way to tell the receiver to downmix to mono to the center channel output.

Try connecting your speaker to either the FL or FR output. Then press and hold the Movie button on the remote to select the "Mono Movie" sound mode.
post #7944 of 10467
Batpig any chance there would be a firmware upgrade for the 3313 that would display information like the x4000 does when you click the info button?
* The INFO button on the remote now calls up a rich display of information including input/output speaker channels:

Thanks,
Ed
post #7945 of 10467
Thread Starter 
Don't know for sure but I tend to doubt it.
post #7946 of 10467
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Originally Posted by TroyG View Post

JD,

Thanks for your reply and help. I am not clear on number #2. Are you saying run the HDMI from my cable box directly into the TV and run an optical cable from my cable box to my AVR?

Correct.
post #7947 of 10467
Quick question about zone 2 assignment on the 3313ci:

I have an rca cable going from zone 2 out on the 3313 to the dvd analog audio input of my older 2807. I have the correct source output selected in zone 2 on the 3313ci, and the correct input source selected on the 2807. Problem is - no sound. If I switch the rca cable on the 3313ci to the pre out fl and fr , I then get sound in zone 2, but it isn't independant of zone 1, and the volume is controlled on the 3313, not the 2807.

Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks in advance for any help...
post #7948 of 10467
Thread Starter 
What source are you trying to play? Remember only analog and network sources go to Zone 2.

What about the volume setting for Zone 2? Is it set to fixed or variable?
post #7949 of 10467
Batpig,

Tried pandora and apple tv. . Need to check volume setting. Does this mean that I can't play apple tv audio to zone 2 (or 3) if it is connected via hdmi?

Thanks for the help...
post #7950 of 10467
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Originally Posted by SEARCH1990 View Post

Batpig,

Tried pandora and apple tv. . Need to check volume setting. Does this mean that I can't play apple tv audio to zone 2 (or 3) if it is connected via hdmi?

Thanks for the help...

Correct unless you purchase a optical to analog rca converter. The Avr Airplay function will do what you need to do. I guess that Denon in their wisdom figured that they have Solved the Airplay highjacking the main zone limitation and that if you were to have Apple Tv running it would be better to have it running in the main zone where you have a better intuitive GUI and video in which you would not have a need for zone 2. Folks that don't use apple products and want to run optical to zone 2/3 are out of luck and don't know why they opt to discontinue this feature.
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