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post #8371 of 10469
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Originally Posted by ritholtz View Post

Thanks batpig. There are some ~$30 receivers on amazon. Probably, they might not work with normal speakers.
Prior to the 1913, I was using a tiny Lepai 20W amp with Dayton B652's. it actually sounded pretty good. Amp is like $20-25.
post #8372 of 10469
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Originally Posted by ritholtz View Post

I am trying to see 1713/x1000 vs 1913/E400 for similar price and use pre outs with 1713 for zone 2. We can get MultiEQ XT with 1713. It might not make big difference with XT for normal users though.

I just recently picked up the 1713. I have it running Def. Tech Promonitors (only a 2.1 setup for music) and I can tell you I am very impressed with the Audessey and MultEQ and resulting sound quality. It made a very noticeable difference as compared to out of the box sound. I would def. Reccomend looking at recievers with Audesset/MultEQ.
post #8373 of 10469
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

You don't necessarily have to have an external amp, you can assign the 7.1 channels to a separate zone instead.

The 1713 requires a separate amp for zone 2 (and has preamp outputs), the 1913 has no preamp outputs but can be configured for zone 2. It is unclear whether the 1713 zone 2 output is line level or variable. The 2113 has both assignable amps and preamp output but only line level preamp out, the 2313 is definitely the sweet spot, it has it all (YMMV of course).

I use a Crown XLS1500 with zone 2 output from my 2313.

Fixed on both the 1713 and the 2113CI.
post #8374 of 10469
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

I just recently picked up the 1713. I have it running Def. Tech Promonitors (only a 2.1 setup for music) and I can tell you I am very impressed with the Audessey and MultEQ and resulting sound quality. It made a very noticeable difference as compared to out of the box sound. I would def. Reccomend looking at recievers with Audesset/MultEQ.

Important to note the 1713 uses the more advanced version of MultEQ XT which has 8x the speaker filter resolution than does MultEQ used on the 1613 and 1913.
post #8375 of 10469
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Originally Posted by ritholtz View Post

How much does 2 channel decent external amp cost? Is Denon AVR-1713 better purchase than E400/ 1913 considering it has MutliEQ XT for the same price?
I have a 5.1 setup in living room and 2 extra speakers in dining/patio. I will be using this zone 2 functionality once in a while. I can get external amp and switch them manually when needed.[/quote




Here is a link of the e/x Denon series avs forum. There is some nice features for zones you may be interested in before you make your decision.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465528/the-official-2013-denon-e-series-x-series-avr-model-owners-thread-faq/0_10
post #8376 of 10469
Just got my 3313 to replace my 2113 (both refurbs)

Frustrated right now. Had the 2113 hooked up and everything was fine. Just hooked the 3313ci up with same hdmi to tv, and added the pre amp out cables and then attatched speakers wire to the amp. Turn unit on, correct input on the tv....nothing. Just get a box saying no signal from external unit, to check cables and retry. Aghhhhh.


Quickly ran another hdmi from the tv to the hmdi out on the receiver. Nothing. Unit powers on. I can see the screen startup on the GUI where I can select English and being the startup. I really dont know what to check next. Tried two of the sources (blu ray/media center) with the remote and nothing.

Looks like the unit is powering on and everything is switching fine. Is there a chance on my refurb I have a bad hdmi out? Or is there an obvious setting/selection/etc that I am missing?

UPDATE:

turned off the power at the wall to both tv and receiver. Turned it back on and the denon was in sync with the tv showing the roku player. Changed source on the receiver then back to the media player input (roku) ....nothing. again the message no signal received.

Turned off again at wall and again was able to see the roku through the denon. Went into the audio setup and the Denon logo on inputs not being used and everything is outtta whack. The denon logo isnt white like on my 2113 and is multiple colors and then when i go into the settings there is fuzz and all kinds of weird stuff popping up.
Edited by micah bjj - 6/25/13 at 9:03pm
post #8377 of 10469
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Originally Posted by arzach View Post

Hello there!

I had a problem with the sound level on my Denon AVR 2313 receiver. It is now solved due to the latest firmware upgrade which I installed today, but the problem is still a mystery for me, so:

When working in network mode, the sound level was low - very low! I needed to turn the volume button up to around 50-60 on the scale to get a reasonable sound level (that's just a bit more than halfway on the volume button). For other inputs (TV audio, CD, Bluray) comparable sound level was around 15-25 on the scale. It had not always been like this, and it was only in network mode: when streaming internet radio, podcasts or from my HTPC or smartphone.

I have always had the latest firmware.
The input level was at highest level +12 dB when in network mode. Lower in other modes.
I was in contact with the local support, and they suggested a reset. This didn't work, and apparently it was a network reset in according to the guide in the beginning of this thread. So, I didn't do a Microprocessor Reset.
I suspect the BubbleUPnP Android app to be the problem caused it was first observed when using this app. But this is only a suspicion. With the app it is possible to control the volume level.

Well, as told in the beginning, the problem disappeared with the latest firmware upgrade, but still leaves some questions:

What might have caused the problem? BubbleUPnP?
Would a Microprocessor Reset have solved the problem?
Has anyone experienced similar problems?

Cheers!

I have the same problem. (And thats why i came to this forum) For me, it occurs after the latest firmware update. (Or maybe the issue was there, just that i started using the Synology NAS DS Audio app on my iPad recently). I have the 2313CI and the firmware version is 1490-1169-0000-6520-2987.

Problem started when I used the ipad app to control the volume. I noticed there was a sudden decrease in volume (as if some kind of auto gain control kicked in) when I turned up the volume.

Afterwards, streaming network audio (flac format) has low volume even when directly using the avr's media streaming function. If I play the same piece from CD, sound level is normal.

I may try the microprocessor reset. But am curious if there are other ways to resolve this problem.
post #8378 of 10469
Maybe you guys can help me...

I've been having some handshake issues with my setup and I've narrowed it down to the Denon 1713. I am about 60 days past the purchase date but Crutchfield is letting me do a swap. However they have no more 1713. They offered the E300 but it has no XT and I do not want to spend more for the units that do have it. I've asked them to ship me the Yamaha X465, but I'm really not sure it is going to please me compared to the Denon and Audyssey. Any thoughts on what I should do?
post #8379 of 10469
Hi again,
one first problem with the 2113: the device no more answering to remote control (out of the blue)
Upon pressing the remote's buttons, I still see them lighting up - only no answer from the receiver.

Changed the batteries today - to no avail.
Unplugged the receiver and plugged it again - still no answer.

Is this a matter for calling the service in the warranty period/send the receiver for repairing?

Thanks.
post #8380 of 10469
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Originally Posted by alexandru27 View Post

Hi again,
one first problem with the 2113: the device no more answering to remote control (out of the blue)
Upon pressing the remote's buttons, I still see them lighting up - only no answer from the receiver.

Changed the batteries today - to no avail.
Unplugged the receiver and plugged it again - still no answer.
Otherwise, the receiver functions normally, by pressing its own buttons.

Is this a matter for calling the service in the warranty period/send the receiver for repairing?

Thanks.

Note: false allarm. Checked with the manual and it said I have to press 'Main' or 'Zone 2' from the remote - which I did, still no answer, pressed again both of these buttons, no avail.
Then, after some 5 seconds, the receiver began to function and answering to remote's commands.

The problem disappeared smile.gif
Edited by alexandru27 - 6/26/13 at 1:52am
post #8381 of 10469
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Originally Posted by micah bjj View Post

Just got my 3313 to replace my 2113 (both refurbs)

Frustrated right now. Had the 2113 hooked up and everything was fine. Just hooked the 3313ci up with same hdmi to tv, and added the pre amp out cables and then attatched speakers wire to the amp. Turn unit on, correct input on the tv....nothing. Just get a box saying no signal from external unit, to check cables and retry. Aghhhhh.


Quickly ran another hdmi from the tv to the hmdi out on the receiver. Nothing. Unit powers on. I can see the screen startup on the GUI where I can select English and being the startup. I really dont know what to check next. Tried two of the sources (blu ray/media center) with the remote and nothing.

Looks like the unit is powering on and everything is switching fine. Is there a chance on my refurb I have a bad hdmi out? Or is there an obvious setting/selection/etc that I am missing?

UPDATE:

turned off the power at the wall to both tv and receiver. Turned it back on and the denon was in sync with the tv showing the roku player. Changed source on the receiver then back to the media player input (roku) ....nothing. again the message no signal received.

Turned off again at wall and again was able to see the roku through the denon. Went into the audio setup and the Denon logo on inputs not being used and everything is outtta whack. The denon logo isnt white like on my 2113 and is multiple colors and then when i go into the settings there is fuzz and all kinds of weird stuff popping up.

The first thing to do when you receive a used or refurb unit is to reset the microprocessor to ensure all settings are restored to their factory defaults. Please review post #5 of this thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1409431/the-official-denon-avr-xx13-model-owners-thread-faq/0_100#post_21995260
post #8382 of 10469
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Originally Posted by tuffluck View Post

Maybe you guys can help me...

I've been having some handshake issues with my setup and I've narrowed it down to the Denon 1713. I am about 60 days past the purchase date but Crutchfield is letting me do a swap. However they have no more 1713. They offered the E300 but it has no XT and I do not want to spend more for the units that do have it. I've asked them to ship me the Yamaha X465, but I'm really not sure it is going to please me compared to the Denon and Audyssey. Any thoughts on what I should do?

The nice thing about Crutchfield is that their return period is 60 days (ie. much longer than most places). The new Denon X1000 replaces the 1713 and is the same MSRP so would be the correct model they should offer you.
post #8383 of 10469
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Important to note the 1713 uses the more advanced version of MultEQ XT which has 8x the speaker filter resolution than does MultEQ used on the 1613 and 1913.

Good point
post #8384 of 10469
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

The nice thing about Crutchfield is that their return period is 60 days (ie. much longer than most places). The new Denon X1000 replaces the 1713 and is the same MSRP so would be the correct model they should offer you.

Crutchfield never suggested that one, but it is now $449 on their website, and I only paid $350 for the Denon. Is that too high? How do I go about negotiating that with Crutchfield? I really don't want to pay $100 more for the same unit that's just newer with no real other differences.
Edited by tuffluck - 6/26/13 at 7:27am
post #8385 of 10469
Well then don't. If crutchfield sold new models at the same price as year old stuff then how are they supposed to move the year old stuff? MSRP doesn't mean much.
post #8386 of 10469
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Originally Posted by CentralCoaster View Post

Well then don't. If crutchfield sold new models at the same price as year old stuff then how are they supposed to move the year old stuff? MSRP doesn't mean much.

They are out of the old model though, seems to me like they should give me the newer one as a replacement because of that.
post #8387 of 10469
Found a used 2113ci for around $300. Can't decide if I should snag it or not. I currently have a 591.

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post #8388 of 10469
Thread Starter 
^^^ $300 is a good price and it's an excellent receiver, it will be a big step up from the 591.

-- MultEQ XT instead of regular MultEQ
-- 7 amps instead of 5
-- Zone 2 pre-outs
-- Much nicer GUI with the ability to overlay on 3D sources
-- Video conversion and scaling
-- Network features, including web browser / smartphone control, Airplay, Pandora, Internet Radio, etc.
post #8389 of 10469
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by tuffluck View Post

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

The nice thing about Crutchfield is that their return period is 60 days (ie. much longer than most places). The new Denon X1000 replaces the 1713 and is the same MSRP so would be the correct model they should offer you.

Crutchfield never suggested that one, but it is now $449 on their website, and I only paid $350 for the Denon. Is that too high? How do I go about negotiating that with Crutchfield? I really don't want to pay $100 more for the same unit that's just newer with no real other differences.

I would definitely push for an X1000 if you are confident that the 1713 is defective. As JD notes it is the direct replacement for the 1713. The E series models they offered only have regular MultEQ.

There are also some definite differences that make the X1000 better than the 1713:

- 3 year warranty instead of 2
- Enhanced Zone 2 functions (Zone 2 pre-outs can be set to variable volume instead of line level, digital sources can pass in "All Zone Stereo" mode)
- Video Select allows you to mix HDMI video sources with network/USB/tuner audio sources
- Spotify added as a Network streaming option
- Improved on-screen status display from the INFO button

You might want to review the first posts of the E/X series thread to see more specifics on the models: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465528/the-official-2013-denon-e-series-x-series-avr-model-owners-thread-faq
post #8390 of 10469
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I would definitely push for an X1000 if you are confident that the 1713 is defective. As JD notes it is the direct replacement for the 1713. The E series models they offered only have regular MultEQ.

There are also some definite differences that make the X1000 better than the 1713:

- 3 year warranty instead of 2
- Enhanced Zone 2 functions (Zone 2 pre-outs can be set to variable volume instead of line level, digital sources can pass in "All Zone Stereo" mode)
- Video Select allows you to mix HDMI video sources with network/USB/tuner audio sources
- Spotify added as a Network streaming option
- Improved on-screen status display from the INFO button

You might want to review the first posts of the E/X series thread to see more specifics on the models: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465528/the-official-2013-denon-e-series-x-series-avr-model-owners-thread-faq

They told me no, no, and then no a third time (that's CSR, supervisor, and manager level respectively).

I really don't want to go into the details, but basically he blamed his CSR's accidental shipment of the E300 on me and also said they've already been gracious in giving me a $25 discount (which I found on retailmenot and used on my original purchase as a valid coupon code). So, I told him to expect the 1713 back for a full refund, he said okay.
post #8391 of 10469
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Originally Posted by tuffluck View Post

They told me no, no, and then no a third time (that's CSR, supervisor, and manager level respectively).

I really don't want to go into the details, but basically he blamed his CSR's accidental shipment of the E300 on me and also said they've already been gracious in giving me a $25 discount (which I found on retailmenot and used on my original purchase as a valid coupon code). So, I told him to expect the 1713 back for a full refund, he said okay.

Take a ride to your local Best Buy, they are clearing out the XX13 series right now, and I grabbed a brand new 1713 for $300 last week.
post #8392 of 10469
Yeah I even got my 1713 for $ 275! sweet deals
post #8393 of 10469
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Originally Posted by Ryan25 View Post

Prior to the 1913, I was using a tiny Lepai 20W amp with Dayton B652's. it actually sounded pretty good. Amp is like $20-25.
Does it work fine with in celing sterio speakers in living room or big patio speakers. Watt specifications looks weak for this Amp.
I am debating weather to get 1713 with above zone 2 requirement for $290 (nice deals in bestbuy as of now) or wait for e400/2113 price to drop further.
I already got rain check for E400 for $299 for frys to use with 7.1 media room.
Thanks
Edited by ritholtz - 6/26/13 at 1:47pm
post #8394 of 10469
So I just picked up a pair of klipsch kg3.5 for a bargain, gonna be grabbing a kv-3 center when I find a deal (want to stick with similar series of speakers for my front and center). Already snagged a sw216 Yamaha sub (what started this budget used build). Anyways this is my first foray into surround sound and have narrowed it down to the 1613 or maybe 1713 if i can swing it, though still flexible on brand and model. For being a newbie figured the audyssey multEQ would be very beneficial (xt even more so). So starting with 3.1 and will build to 5.1 once I can afford it.

Anyways the main questions is that my fronts are 65watts, center will be 75watts, how will this be with the 1613 75watts or 1713 80 watts per channel? I know as long as I don't crank it up i should be fine but is there a limit or setting I can set to make it prevent the volume from reaching a certain level? Also worth spending the 50ish bucks for the 1713? I cant benefit from the extra 5 watts, no need for zone 2, and mainly just getting it for the audyssey multEQ XT. What's everyone's thoughts on this setup? Thanks for any info

Oh and my room is 15'x18' but my viewing area; TV, couch, speakers, etc is in approxiametly 15'x13'. Dinner table and chairs are against the wall taking up about 5' of space from my entertainment zone haha.
post #8395 of 10469
If you can, get the 1713 for its improved version of Audyssey.

Wattage ratings on speakers normally indicate the maximum amount of continuous power they can absorb without damage, not the amount of power needed to drive them. It depends on how efficient they are (look for the sensitivity rating), but most speakers produce a reasonable sound level when driven with less than 10 Watts.

Receiver power ratings are usually highly misleading. Too much depends on exactly how the power is measured. A receiver's power rating gives you only a vague idea of the loudest sound it can produce.

Doubling the power driving a speaker increases the sound level by 3dB. Our hearing is not linear: doubling the *apparent* sound level requires that the sound level increase by 10dB -- which is about a factor of 10x in power. For a 100Watt receiver, a 5 Watt increase is only 5% -- a difference of 1.05. It's completely inaudible.

In other words, a difference of 5 Watts in a receiver's power rating is the equivalent of no difference at all in what you hear.
post #8396 of 10469
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Originally Posted by ritholtz View Post

Does it work fine with in celing sterio speakers in living room or big patio speakers. Watt specifications looks weak for this Amp.
I am debating weather to get 1713 with above zone 2 requirement for $290 (nice deals in bestbuy as of now) or wait for e400/2113 price to drop further.
I already got rain check for E400 for $299 for frys to use with 7.1 media room.
Thanks
Google search it, easy to find. I'm pretty sure it was Gutenberg at Cnet that tested them with full-size speakers and came away pretty impressed. Remember, T-Class amps are supposed to be much more efficient than others. Theoretically, you get a lot more bang (volume) for your buck (wattage).

EDIT: I stand corrected, Guttenberg used some bookshelf speaks. That said, it should easily power your in-ceiling speakers. Head-Fi has a forum thread with a lot of good info and comparisons.
Edited by Ryan25 - 6/26/13 at 2:13pm
post #8397 of 10469
So it should be safe, should not have to worry about blowing my newly acquired speakers as long as i do not go crazy on the volume. The KG3.5 are pretty senstive 94dB @ 1watt/1meter. With this Best Buy talk about closing out the xx13 series i may have to go swing by there.

So all in all, system wise, this should be a fairly good sounding. I just want to make sure I get the most out of what i got and not throwing money down the drain.
post #8398 of 10469
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Originally Posted by tuffluck View Post

Crutchfield never suggested that one, but it is now $449 on their website, and I only paid $350 for the Denon. Is that too high? How do I go about negotiating that with Crutchfield? I really don't want to pay $100 more for the same unit that's just newer with no real other differences.

Some places (eg. Electronics Expo) would more than likely have just shipped you the X1000 and called it a day. As that is not the case with Crutchfield, they would likely offer credit towards the X1000, although as others have suggested, if you call around to all of the Best Buy stores in your area, you may find a 1713 or even 2113CI at a much reduced price.
post #8399 of 10469
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Originally Posted by freakycody View Post

So it should be safe, should not have to worry about blowing my newly acquired speakers as long as i do not go crazy on the volume. The KG3.5 are pretty senstive 94dB @ 1watt/1meter. With this Best Buy talk about closing out the xx13 series i may have to go swing by there.

So all in all, system wise, this should be a fairly good sounding. I just want to make sure I get the most out of what i got and not throwing money down the drain.

On average, those 94db speakers will only be drawing about 1-2W/Ch even at reference level volume; however, there is a "Volume Limit" setting which you can set for -20db/60 or -10db/70 to ensure the volume is not raised too high.
post #8400 of 10469
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

On average, those 94db speakers will only be drawing about 1-2W/Ch even at reference level volume; however, there is a "Volume Limit" setting which you can set for -20db/60 or -10db/70 to ensure the volume is not raised too high.

OK great, good to know. Now stupid new guy question: what does the 60 and the 70 refer to in those settings?
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