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post #8401 of 10468
Negative is Relative

Positive is Absolute

You may set it up either way.
post #8402 of 10468
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Originally Posted by freakycody View Post

OK great, good to know. Now stupid new guy question: what does the 60 and the 70 refer to in those settings?




The default is "absolute" as most folks prefer to see the numbers increase for louder volume and decrease to lower the volume; however, the "relative" is relative to 0db being "reference" volume (85db min actual) so the volume level would be a smaller negative number as you approach 0db and then once past 0db, the number would increase; however, 0db or 80 is generally the highest you want to set the AVR to ensure there is enough headroom to play the peaks.
post #8403 of 10468
Thread Starter 
The volume can be display two ways:

- Absolute volume runs on a scale of 0 to 98
- Relative volume runs on a scale of -80 to +18

The relative scale is tuned such that 0 is "reference", so if you are at -10 volume you know you are exactly 10dB below reference. On the absolute scale, that corresponds to a volume level of 80. So -20dB on the relative scale is equivalent to 60 on the absolute scale.
post #8404 of 10468
Just picked up a 2313CI for $599 shipped to replace my Marantz SR7001. Hope I chose right........wink.gif

This is my setup below:

(2) Rear WH 2 series Wharfedales
(1) Energy CC10 center
(2) Sound Dynamics RTS-P100 powered speakers (towers)
Velodyne SPL-1500R sub

KRP500M Pioneer plasma
PS3
Dish satellite receiver
post #8405 of 10468
Batpig, Jdsmoothie and Sanchopanza thanks for the info. I understand clearly now. Gave you all a thumbs up.
post #8406 of 10468
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Originally Posted by purplerain View Post

Just picked up a 2313CI for $599 shipped to replace my Marantz SR7001. Hope I chose right........wink.gif

This is my setup below:

(2) Rear WH 2 series Wharfedales
(1) Energy CC10 center
(2) Sound Dynamics RTS-P100 powered speakers (towers)
Velodyne SPL-1500R sub

KRP500M Pioneer plasma
PS3
Dish satellite receiver

While waiting for arrival, take some time to review the Audyssey 101/FAQ Guide linked in my sig to ensure you get the best results from Audyssey to include using either a camera tripod or mic boom stand (both linked to in the guide) to support the Audyssey mic.
post #8407 of 10468
3313 is driving me nuts.

Couldnt get it to work last night until unplugging unit twice, then everything was fine.

Another poster gave me a link on how to reset the system,especially for refurbs. Turned on the system tonight and got the no signal box again. Pulled the power cord twice and nothing fixed this time. Then did the manaul reset , holding the on and the info and back buttons. Unit flashes on the gui for 5 seconds, I release. Still no signal.


aggghhh!

What is the next step? Is this a malfuntioning unit that needs to be sent back, a simple fix, or just wont work with my system and I need to trade for a different receiver...i.e marants 5007/6007?
post #8408 of 10468
Try plugging the source into each of the HDMI inputs on the AVR as well as plugging the AVR into other inputs on the TV. Also if you have spare HDMI cables, try replacing the ones currently being used. And finally, you can try the HDMI HDCP reset listed below. If still no joy, try another few resets, and if yet still no joy, then send it back.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465528/the-official-2013-denon-e-series-x-series-avr-model-owners-thread-faq/0_100#user_L11
post #8409 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Try plugging the source into each of the HDMI inputs on the AVR as well as plugging the AVR into other inputs on the TV. Also if you have spare HDMI cables, try replacing the ones currently being used. And finally, you can try the HDMI HDCP reset listed below. If still no joy, try another few resets, and if yet still no joy, then send it back.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465528/the-official-2013-denon-e-series-x-series-avr-model-owners-thread-faq/0_100#user_L11

thanks for the info. I have tried the reset now 5 times and nothing. Have already tried a different cable and plugging the avr into different inputs on the tv.

Will check out the link. Keep trying for another day before calling Denon tech. After that I guess it goes back
post #8410 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

While waiting for arrival, take some time to review the Audyssey 101/FAQ Guide linked in my sig to ensure you get the best results from Audyssey to include using either a camera tripod or mic boom stand (both linked to in the guide) to support the Audyssey mic.

I attached my Audyssey mic to the end of my swifter using twist ties, and propped it up using some boxes fllled with weights biggrin.gif Was able to put it exactly where it should be for 6 positions, and didn't cost me a dime cool.gif
post #8411 of 10468
Best Buy has a Mic stand for half today only with free shipping $15 plus tax.

No affiliation
post #8412 of 10468
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

Best Buy has a Mic stand for half today only with free shipping $15 plus tax.

No affiliation

Pretty good deal, what kind of adapter would you need to connect it to the audyssey mic?
post #8413 of 10468
Someone else please answer I use my camera tri-pod.
post #8414 of 10468
Thread Starter 
Typically mic stands have a different thread screw than the standard camera tripod thread that the Audyssey mic uses. This adapter is what I have and it's the most popular such adapter on the Audyssey thread: http://www.amazon.com/CM01-Camera-Digital-Recorder-Adapter/dp/B001GWCC4I
post #8415 of 10468
I don't understand the point of all this detail on setting up the MIC. when you are in the room, you are part of the acoustics. So why not find the best way to replicate sitting on the couch with the mic in place of your head? Is me being in there breathing or something enough to have a negative or inconsistent effect? I literally slouched my head back deep into the cushions and held the mic where my ears would be. FWIW my room acoustics are terrible btw. Lots of hard surfaces.
post #8416 of 10468
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Originally Posted by CentralCoaster View Post

I don't understand the point of all this detail on setting up the MIC. when you are in the room, you are part of the acoustics. So why not find the best way to replicate sitting on the couch with the mic in place of your head? Is me being in there breathing or something enough to have a negative or inconsistent effect? I literally slouched my head back deep into the cushions and held the mic where my ears would be. FWIW my room acoustics are terrible btw. Lots of hard surfaces.

Congratulations......
post #8417 of 10468
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Originally Posted by CentralCoaster View Post

I don't understand the point of all this detail on setting up the MIC. when you are in the room, you are part of the acoustics. So why not find the best way to replicate sitting on the couch with the mic in place of your head? Is me being in there breathing or something enough to have a negative or inconsistent effect? I literally slouched my head back deep into the cushions and held the mic where my ears would be. FWIW my room acoustics are terrible btw. Lots of hard surfaces.

The point being that holding the mic gives the audio not an exact point to hit as your hands will move, all be it just very slightly that is enough to throw it off. Calibration relies on direct hits to hone in. Even putting on a table will leave it acceptable to vibration, which is a no no in room calibration.

But if you are not a critical listener and close is good enough than by all means do what you please after all it is your money. There is no problem being in the room just do not be in the direction of the sound and mic. It is advise you breathe though and that will not throw it out of whack.smile.gif
post #8418 of 10468
Is it standard to buy from an authorized dealer (Acc4less) and when you contact them about the receiver not working in your system, letting you know you may need to send it back for a different make/model that they tell you basically it is out of their hands...here is Denons number, deal with them?

I know if I bought this from BB and had this problem they would instantly take it back in exchange or refund.

Still having these 3313 no video problems. Will call Denon hotline tomorrow to see if i can get a fix.

According to Acc4less saying I need to go through denon...sound like I am stuck with denon. My question is, if we cant get the problems on my 3313 resolved is the problem in my specific receiver or will I have this problem with all 3313 receivers? I cant go down a model because I already had to upgrade for the pre amp outs and I dont want to spend any more money going up a model. Would rather return for 5007 and cash or a little more for the 6007. unfortunately, acc4less doesnt seem to consider that an option
post #8419 of 10468
I'm having a problem with my 3313ci now =(

The picture is zoomed in like crazy and I can't seem to fix it. I already reset my Denon twice and nothing. I don't know what else to do to get the picture back to normal. Something definitely went wrong because no one else touched it. Ugh. Not very happy with Denon right now.
post #8420 of 10468
^^
This is more than likely an issue with your TV's adjustment for that particular HDMI input as zooming is not a feature offered by the AVR. Try resetting your TV set.
post #8421 of 10468
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Originally Posted by micah bjj View Post

Is it standard to buy from an authorized dealer (Acc4less) and when you contact them about the receiver not working in your system, letting you know you may need to send it back for a different make/model that they tell you basically it is out of their hands...here is Denons number, deal with them?

I know if I bought this from BB and had this problem they would instantly take it back in exchange or refund.

Still having these 3313 no video problems. Will call Denon hotline tomorrow to see if i can get a fix.

According to Acc4less saying I need to go through denon...sound like I am stuck with denon. My question is, if we cant get the problems on my 3313 resolved is the problem in my specific receiver or will I have this problem with all 3313 receivers? I cant go down a model because I already had to upgrade for the pre amp outs and I dont want to spend any more money going up a model. Would rather return for 5007 and cash or a little more for the 6007. unfortunately, acc4less doesnt seem to consider that an option

When AC4L originally started selling Denon refurbs (Oct 2010), they handled any "defective" returns as you would expect any vendor to by simply replacing it; however, when Denon got them back it turned out that a large number of the returned units were not defective at all, but rather just "user error" so Denon decided to get involved with the return process so their CSRs could help reduce the "user error" issues. Although it is unlikely the same issue would present with another unit, in some instances the issue is the result of an incompatibility with the devices in the setup.
post #8422 of 10468
Just a usability question. Hope someone can help.

The only thing that is driving me crazy about the denon at the moment is the off display. WIth other AVR's I have when the unit goes into standby mode a light on the front goes from green to red and the display is turned off.

With my 3313 the light stays green, the display turns on (I have it set to turn off after a period of inactivity) and then states that the ';main zone off' and then the display stays on. Is there any way to get the display to turn off while in standby mode? (or I suppose is this an issue with my unit)
post #8423 of 10468
Yup. The 3313CI will do the same thing when Zones 2 and 3 are turned off. smile.gif
post #8424 of 10468
So I can give up my search in the manuals to turn the unit into a full standby mode - it's annoying mainly because it's hard to tell if the amp is off from the other side of the room (actually thinking about it it isn't - the display blanks when it is turned on) - still anoying though - more so because the wife keeps asking why the amp is on!
post #8425 of 10468
2313CI picture settings? I have a Kuro plasma which was pro calibrated. I noticed that I have settings for i/p scaler, resolution, and progressive mode. Any idea what I should leave those at? Thank you...
post #8426 of 10468
Thread Starter 
Video Conversion should be left on to enable graphics overlays (volume, GUI, etc)

Video scaling on/off is up to you. It's obviously irrelevant for 1080p signals but for lesser resolutions you can check to see if the scaler in the Denon is superior to that in your TV. If I remember correctly Pio Kuros were never rated that highly for SD processing, but if you don't have any SD sources you are probably fine just leaving this disabled.

If you do enabled scaling then resolution can be left on "AUTO" unless you experience problems. Same with progressive mode.

Note that these video processing (OUTPUT) options are not the same as the picture settings (PICTURE ADJUST) which allow you to tweak brightness, contrast, etc. Since your Kuro is pro calibrated you obviously don't want to mess with this too much, but since the settings are memorized by input you could (just an example) pump up the brightness and color saturation a bit for video games without affecting your blu-ray player.
post #8427 of 10468
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Video Conversion should be left on to enable graphics overlays (volume, GUI, etc)

Video scaling on/off is up to you. It's obviously irrelevant for 1080p signals but for lesser resolutions you can check to see if the scaler in the Denon is superior to that in your TV. If I remember correctly Pio Kuros were never rated that highly for SD processing, but if you don't have any SD sources you are probably fine just leaving this disabled.

If you do enabled scaling then resolution can be left on "AUTO" unless you experience problems. Same with progressive mode.

Note that these video processing (OUTPUT) options are not the same as the picture settings (PICTURE ADJUST) which allow you to tweak brightness, contrast, etc. Since your Kuro is pro calibrated you obviously don't want to mess with this too much, but since the settings are memorized by input you could (just an example) pump up the brightness and color saturation a bit for video games without affecting your blu-ray player.

Thank You.
post #8428 of 10468
Just in case any one else has the same confusion my amp wouldn't turn off as Zones 2 and 3 were turned on (even though I'd configured the speakers for main only).

TO turn them off I connnected to the amp from my pc and turned them off from there - once those zones were turned off the amp went fully into standby mode
post #8429 of 10468
Using the iPhone App (or, I presume) the Android App is also an easy way to turn on & Off Zones.
post #8430 of 10468
Hey guys. Got the 2113ci last fall and all has been well until the last month or so. Seems I now experience 3 to 4 second audio and video dropouts no matter what source I'm watching -- directv, appletv, or ps3. The only thing I can think of that may have changed around the time this started to occur was that I installed an optical to analog audio converter for my appletv audio so I can listen to it via zone2. But I'm pretty sure I installed that weeks before this issue started.

I've unplugged the receiver multiple times since this started with no success. Seems to occur as frequently as two or three times an hour and is really frustrating while watching movies on appletv as it pauses the movie and requires the user to menu out and then back in to the movie to pick up where you left off. Otherwise, without menuing out, if I just press play to restart, I get no audio.

Any help resolving would be appreciated! Thanks!
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