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Although unlikely to be a result of the converter, easy enough to remove it from the chain to confirm. Otherwise, you will likely want to reset the microprocessor (p. 148) after first using the Web Control feature to save the config file to a PC (p. 90).

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465528/the-official-2013-denon-e-series-x-series-avr-model-owners-thread-faq/0_100#user_E9
post #8432 of 10465
Thanks jd. I don't think it's the converter since its happening with all sources. I'll see if resetting the microprocessor works.
post #8433 of 10465
So I might buy a pair of 3313 for my new build house. I think they will do everything I want, and then some.

3313 1. In av closet on first floor running living room (7.2 system) kitchen (2 channel zone 2) dining room (2 channel zone 2, speaker switch connected) and outdoor space (2 channel zone 3, 4 speakers running through a switch). Zone 2 and 3 will 99.9% of the time be running Sonos via optical input. Id also like to be able to use that input on zone 1. Zone 1 will primarily be Xbox and Bluray sources (cut the cord). Do I need to be worried about impedenace with this receiver, and using switches?

Denon 3313-2, Master suite, zone 1 in bedroom 5.1 system. Zone 2 is master bath 2 channel, zone 3 is walkin closets (2 channel. 4 sspeakers)

Wont be using the 2nd hdmi out at all, we mostly listen to music. Please find any and all faults you guys think I might run in to!
post #8434 of 10465
Sonos amps in use? Otherwise, you'll need to add (2) 2CH amps to the first 3313CI one each for Zone 2 and Zone 3 and a 3rd 2Ch amp for the 2nd 3313CI Zone 3.
post #8435 of 10465
I'm gonna have a couple of bookshelves speakers for awhile is all. 2 channel. How will this all work as far as bass management? I wouldn't want any low frequencies going to them. But I know they have to go somewhere right?
post #8436 of 10465
Actually I will just not rerun Audyssey after unhooking all the speakers and placing 2 surround speakers as left/right. This way I can leave them set to small and subwoofer yes although there is no sub hooked up. But will this apply the former speakers EQ settings to the small ones? Even then just turn Audyssey off.
post #8437 of 10465
I upgraded from a 591 to 2113 denon receiver. I had my MacBook connected to the old receiver with a display port to Hdmi adapter and a Hdmi cable. Doesn't seem to work anymore with the new receiver. Any one see this problem before?
post #8438 of 10465
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Sonos amps in use? Otherwise, you'll need to add (2) 2CH amps to the first 3313CI one each for Zone 2 and Zone 3 and a 3rd 2Ch amp for the 2nd 3313CI Zone 3.

So, because I am running 7.2 on main zone, I need extra amps (there's not 9 or 11 powered channels, just 7). Does each zone have its own turn on lead/trigger for an external amp? What if I run my 7.2 off preouts to independent amps, can I assign the denon internal amps to zone 2/3?
post #8439 of 10465
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Originally Posted by Ardothewan View Post

I upgraded from a 591 to 2113 denon receiver. I had my MacBook connected to the old receiver with a display port to Hdmi adapter and a Hdmi cable. Doesn't seem to work anymore with the new receiver. Any one see this problem before?

Have you tried every HDMI input on the 2113CI? Are both video and audio not working? Check the settings on the Macbook haven't changed. Does it work when connected directly to the TV?
post #8440 of 10465
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

I'm gonna have a couple of bookshelves speakers for awhile is all. 2 channel. How will this all work as far as bass management? I wouldn't want any low frequencies going to them. But I know they have to go somewhere right?

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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Actually I will just not rerun Audyssey after unhooking all the speakers and placing 2 surround speakers as left/right. This way I can leave them set to small and subwoofer yes although there is no sub hooked up. But will this apply the former speakers EQ settings to the small ones? Even then just turn Audyssey off.

The EQ settings don't follow the speaker, rather the speaker post, You would be better served rerunning Audyssey again with the book shelf speakers connected to the FL/FR speaker posts and the sub connected. Then reset the FL/FR to SMALL/80Hz and remove the sub without changing the sub to NO (otherwise the FL/FR will default to LARGE).
post #8441 of 10465
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Originally Posted by JustBusiness View Post

So, because I am running 7.2 on main zone, I need extra amps (there's not 9 or 11 powered channels, just 7). Does each zone have its own turn on lead/trigger for an external amp? What if I run my 7.2 off preouts to independent amps, can I assign the denon internal amps to zone 2/3?

Correct. Only 7 powered channels are possible from the AVR. And no, using the main zone pre-outs would not obviate the need for the external amps as there is no "Free Amp Assign" feature as there is on the flagship 4520CI. The 3313CI has (2) 12v triggers so as long as the external amp has a 12v triigger as well, each amp could be turned on when the power to the individual zone is set to ON. Otherwise, you could use a smart power strip that would turn both of the amps on when the AVR itself powered ON.
post #8442 of 10465
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Correct. Only 7 powered channels are possible from the AVR. And no, using the main zone pre-outs would not obviate the need for the external amps as there is no "Free Amp Assign" feature as there is on the flagship 4520CI. The 3313CI has (2) 12v triggers so as long as the external amp has a 12v triigger as well, each amp could be turned on when the power to the individual zone is set to ON. Otherwise, you could use a smart power strip that would turn both of the amps on when the AVR itself powered ON.

Ok, I can deal with that. I copied the following from a blurb about the 3312, and it seems that it has been removed from the 3313, will this impact use of my Sonos, since most things are FLAC? Or only for something like SACDs?

"--- Ability to send digital 2.0 PCM audio (optical/coax only, not HDMI) to Zone 2/3"
post #8443 of 10465
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Although unlikely to be a result of the converter, easy enough to remove it from the chain to confirm. Otherwise, you will likely want to reset the microprocessor (p. 148) after first using the Web Control feature to save the config file to a PC (p. 90).

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465528/the-official-2013-denon-e-series-x-series-avr-model-owners-thread-faq/0_100#user_E9

Well, resetting the microprocessor didn't work. Had the issue occur multiple times using directv, appletv and streaming via AirPlay. Any other ideas JD? Really appreciate your help.
post #8444 of 10465
Could be handshake issues. Since it happens to all sources try swapping out the avr to tv hdmi cable. You could also try a different hdmi port on your tv..
post #8445 of 10465
Clarity and detail.........

Replaced my Marantz SR7001 with the 2313CI, wowwwww. What a huge change in clarity and detail pertaining to sound smile.gif
post #8446 of 10465
Any suggestions for how I can make use of my harmony along with the different sound modes?

I.e. when I have "Internet Radio" I'd like a music sound mode, but for media player one that is more appropriate for watching movies (but even then, I also watch TV shows on it...)

How do you guys make use of and switch between all the different sound modes? It's SO complicated!
post #8447 of 10465
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Originally Posted by JustBusiness View Post

Ok, I can deal with that. I copied the following from a blurb about the 3312, and it seems that it has been removed from the 3313, will this impact use of my Sonos, since most things are FLAC? Or only for something like SACDs?

"--- Ability to send digital 2.0 PCM audio (optical/coax only, not HDMI) to Zone 2/3"

Yes, unless you connect the Sonos with RCA cables, to pass the audio to Zones 2/3 would need to use an optical --> analog converter.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10423&cs_id=1042302&p_id=6884&seq=1&format=2
post #8448 of 10465
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Originally Posted by oak1a View Post

Well, resetting the microprocessor didn't work. Had the issue occur multiple times using directv, appletv and streaming via AirPlay. Any other ideas JD? Really appreciate your help.

You can try the HDMI reset procedure listed below as well as possibly changing out the HDMI cables.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465528/the-official-2013-denon-e-series-x-series-avr-model-owners-thread-faq/0_100#user_L11
post #8449 of 10465
So what's the fix to allow variable output for the pre amp out on the 1713 and 2213Ci?
Edited by martytoo - 6/30/13 at 11:26am
post #8450 of 10465
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Known Issues for the Denon AVR-XX13 models

This post will be used to list any known issues being discussed in this thread or identified by Denon as well as their resolution (if any).

3.  If there have been no previous HDMI handshake issues with either a cable or sat box connected via HDMI to the AVR, and suddenly either audio or video issues start occuring with the cable/sat box, check to see when the last time the cable/sat box got a firmware update and whether the issue started immediately after the update as firmware updates to the cable/sat box have been known to cause both audio (dropouts) and video (loss of GUI) issues.  The work around until another firmware update can be issued to the cable/sat box to resolve the issue is to either connect cable/sat box (HDMI) directly to the TV with cable/sat box (optical) to the AVR, or cable/sat box (component/optical) to the AVR.

I just read this and was thinking about my handshake pink-screen problem. It sounds like this may not be a faulty AVR at all if this is common in the Denon player with a cable box? Can you comment?
post #8451 of 10465
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post


The EQ settings don't follow the speaker, rather the speaker post, You would be better served rerunning Audyssey again with the book shelf speakers connected to the FL/FR speaker posts and the sub connected. Then reset the FL/FR to SMALL/80Hz and remove the sub without changing the sub to NO (otherwise the FL/FR will default to LARGE).

Yes that's good. Thanks!
post #8452 of 10465
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Have you tried every HDMI input on the 2113CI? Are both video and audio not working? Check the settings on the Macbook haven't changed. Does it work when connected directly to the TV?

Yes I tried different ports and it worked straight on the tv so I don't think it's the MacBook at this point...
This is an older mscbook so audio didn't work thru the display port anyway. I have thy connected via optical which works
post #8453 of 10465
I have a puzzle... my 1613 is connected to a condo wireless network via a bridge and every so often my activity is interrupted by someone's vacation pictures! I cannot get my own iPhone to stream pictures onto my setup via AirPlay or any other method - how in the dickens is someone else doing it?? I tried setting up a local private wireless network to isolate my setup from the condo network but this still happens.

Any ideas?
post #8454 of 10465
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by martytoo View Post

So what's the fix to allow variable output for the pre amp out on the 1713 and 2213Ci?

Get an X1000, X2000, or 2313ci instead
post #8455 of 10465
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Originally Posted by DrEwe View Post

I have a puzzle... my 1613 is connected to a condo wireless network via a bridge and every so often my activity is interrupted by someone's vacation pictures! I cannot get my own iPhone to stream pictures onto my setup via AirPlay or any other method - how in the dickens is someone else doing it?? I tried setting up a local private wireless network to isolate my setup from the condo network but this still happens.

Any ideas?

I had this problem with my brother's iTunes controlling my Denon. I was told he would have to change his settings for this to be controlled.

What did was set up two different networks. Mine was 192.168.1.1 and on the rorouter I set up for him I designated his network with 192.168.2.1.

We then bought a better router for him and that $200 Netgear gigabit router configured itself during a very easy setup procedure. It read my mind and set up a different network automatically.

:-)
post #8456 of 10465
Just recently I started experiencing audio/video issues when watching my DirecTV (HR34) receiver through my Denon 1713. It appears to have audio/video handshake issues on specific channels (Premium channels) that are preventing me from watching my paid content. I have tried swapping HDMI cables, power cycling the devices, and plugging directly into the TV. Nothing seems to work properly.

I have read that DirectTV receivers are bad at HDMI handshake issues. Is this most likely the issue? Are there steps I can try to work through to help troubleshoot the problems?
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Yes, unless you connect the Sonos with RCA cables, to pass the audio to Zones 2/3 would need to use an optical --> analog converter.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10423&cs_id=1042302&p_id=6884&seq=1&format=2

Ok, so what would I be losing with a 3312? Doesn't seem like much/anything? I can still control 3312 with ip control, right?
post #8458 of 10465
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Originally Posted by vanduse1 View Post

Just recently I started experiencing audio/video issues when watching my DirecTV (HR34) receiver through my Denon 1713. It appears to have audio/video handshake issues on specific channels (Premium channels) that are preventing me from watching my paid content. I have tried swapping HDMI cables, power cycling the devices, and plugging directly into the TV. Nothing seems to work properly.

I have read that DirectTV receivers are bad at HDMI handshake issues. Is this most likely the issue? Are there steps I can try to work through to help troubleshoot the problems?

I have handshake issues also with a 1713, but through a cable box instead. If you look up about 5 posts, you'll see I referenced page 1 that mentioned these handshake issues are common on the Denons.
post #8459 of 10465
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Originally Posted by JustBusiness View Post

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Ok, so what would I be losing with a 3312? Doesn't seem like much/anything? I can still control 3312 with ip control, right?

Yup ... same IP Control capability. You basically lose the 4k upscaling/pass through and the ability to play Airplay independently to Zones 2/3 (ie. it must also be selected in the main zone as well).
post #8460 of 10465
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Originally Posted by vanduse1 View Post

Just recently I started experiencing audio/video issues when watching my DirecTV (HR34) receiver through my Denon 1713. It appears to have audio/video handshake issues on specific channels (Premium channels) that are preventing me from watching my paid content. I have tried swapping HDMI cables, power cycling the devices, and plugging directly into the TV. Nothing seems to work properly.

I have read that DirectTV receivers are bad at HDMI handshake issues. Is this most likely the issue? Are there steps I can try to work through to help troubleshoot the problems?

Lots of good information in the link in Troubleshooting link in my sig to include the following ...

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465528/the-official-2013-denon-e-series-x-series-avr-model-owners-thread-faq/0_100#user_L11
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