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Originally Posted by cicbaba View Post

I need some help with my 4month old 3313ci receiver. It shut himself down from time to time when it gets hot. It happens when listening to music or watching a movie after 2 hours of work in 40% of a volume. I think it started to happen after latest firmware update. Is it possible firmware update issue or I have to take it to service? (It's imported without a warranty). It is not a ventilation issue because I have 15' free on top of it.
Thanks for your help

Just took a couple steps away from the purchase cliff.
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^^
It could be a loose speaker wire strand shorting out. Check all speaker terminals on all speakers and avr speaker terminals and make sure the are not touching an adjacent terminal.
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I did the 5/22/2013 firmware update on my 3313CI a while back. Ever since, the web access to the receiver has become extremely sluggish - what used to happen instantly now takes 10-20 seconds. I just got notified on the receiver that there's a new update, but now I'm leery about doing FW updates on it. Did anyone else notice the greatly decreased performance from the 5/22 update? Does the new update address that?

Edit: answered my own question. I just did the update and it fixed the web control performance. Now everything happens instantly like before the 5/22 update.
Edited by wowubbzy - 7/20/13 at 10:43am
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Sorry if this has been answered before , but this is a huge thread. I've got a 3313ci, and trying to figure out how to get sound thru all 7 speakers when playing 5.1 audio. I have the amp assigned to main.

When a 7.1 source is used, all speakers play. When 5.1, the back 2 speakers go silent.

I'm sure this is a basic question, but I'm a relative newbie to high end audio.

Any help much appreciated!
Edited by SEARCH1990 - 7/20/13 at 11:18am
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Try applying PLIIx or DTS Neo:6. Both expand stereo and 5.1 sources to 7.1. PLIIx produces stereo rear channels while Neo:6 generates a mono rear that gets sent to both back speakers.
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Originally Posted by lawtyger View Post

Spoke to Crutchfield - pleasant as usual. It sounds like one option for a longer run is a couple of baluns and Cat5. Took a look on Amazon and saw they could be had for $70 or so.

Regardless of this zone two decision, I'm thinking the Denon 3313ci will be a significant improvement over my current Yamaha RX-V1400 and perhaps will purchase it today. Anyone want to talk me off the cliff before diving in on a 3313ci?

Just joined the Denon 3313ci family. My first Denon receiver and hopefully should outperform my current Yamaha RX-V1400. Now to continue reading through the rest of the 289 pages of this thread.
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Originally Posted by SEARCH1990 View Post

Sorry if this has been answered before , but this is a huge thread. I've got a 3313ci, and trying to figure out how to get sound thru all 7 speakers when playing 5.1 audio. I have the amp assigned to main.

When a 7.1 source is used, all speakers play. When 5.1, the back 2 speakers go silent.

I'm sure this is a basic question, but I'm a relative newbie to high end audio.

Any help much appreciated!

After you have found the Surround modes here is a little more information on them.

My understanding for the standards of Dolby PL II and DTS NEO 6 are as follows.

Dolby is more center oriented in Cinema mode.
DTS is more Surround oriented.
Dolby Music is tweakable .

Dolby Music is the only standard that will you tweak both center and surrounds with Neo 6 Music, just the center, so if you don't like the image (the amount of sound coming from various sets of speakers) here is what the tweaks do.

Center Width gradually spreads the center-channel signal into the front left and front right speakers, creating a broader front sound stage.

Panorama blends the front left and right channel signals into the rear surround speakers, creating a dramatic sense of envelopment. This is like Multi ch, Stereo to me and most suggest to leave this setting off.

Dimension adjusts the balance between the front and rear channels.


Although Dolby PL II Cinema and Neo 6 Cinema is recommended for non music content to preserve the author intent any one should feel free to use Music modes for their own taste for TV and Movie content.
Edited by spager - 7/28/13 at 10:54am
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Not sure where author intent enters into any discussion where the goal is changing the original mix. smile.gif But, yes, I find that PLII Cinema tends to be too center channel heavy for my taste. So, I use the Music mode for all stereo sources. The use of DSPs is really all about personal preference.
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Originally Posted by lawtyger View Post

Spoke to Crutchfield - pleasant as usual. It sounds like one option for a longer run is a couple of baluns and Cat5. Took a look on Amazon and saw they could be had for $70 or so.

Regardless of this zone two decision, I'm thinking the Denon 3313ci will be a significant improvement over my current Yamaha RX-V1400 and perhaps will purchase it today. Anyone want to talk me off the cliff before diving in on a 3313ci?

A less expensive option ....

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10110&cs_id=1011012&p_id=8120&seq=1&format=2
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Originally Posted by lawtyger View Post

Spoke to Crutchfield - pleasant as usual. It sounds like one option for a longer run is a couple of baluns and Cat5. Took a look on Amazon and saw they could be had for $70 or so.

Regardless of this zone two decision, I'm thinking the Denon 3313ci will be a significant improvement over my current Yamaha RX-V1400 and perhaps will purchase it today. Anyone want to talk me off the cliff before diving in on a 3313ci?

Just joined the Denon 3313ci family. My first Denon receiver and hopefully should outperform my current Yamaha RX-V1400. Now to continue reading through the rest of the 289 pages of this thread.

Oops. I was about to talk you into going up to that higher cliff as you should really go for the replacement for the 3313ci, the ass kicking X4000. Too late to cancel?
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^^^if it were me, I'd follow bp's recommendation & go with the X4000
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Thanks. I've ordered from monoprice before. I'll check this out.
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

^^^if it were me, I'd follow bp's recommendation & go with the X4000

Coming from a receiver that didn't even have an HDMI input or output I think I stepped up. I'm a pretty basic user but I didn't see anything on the X4000 that was worth $400 to me. I'm just a normal listener, not a true audiofile. I know it's been listed many times before, but since you made the above comment what dis you think the X4000 had that a regular listener like me would want to pay $400 more for?
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Audyssey XT32
Audyssey SubEQ (2 subs)
Ability to expand to 9.2 with External Amp
Listen to 1 HDMI source & watch another
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Might be less than $400 if you CALL

SVS sales
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Originally Posted by lawtyger View Post

Coming from a receiver that didn't even have an HDMI input or output I think I stepped up. I'm a pretty basic user but I didn't see anything on the X4000 that was worth $400 to me. I'm just a normal listener, not a true audiofile. I know it's been listed many times before, but since you made the above comment what dis you think the X4000 had that a regular listener like me would want to pay $400 more for?

If that is the true difference in price that you would be paying, and price is an issue, then you should be more than pleased with your new 3313CI purchase. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

Listen to 1 HDMI source & watch another

This would only be possible if you have the Zone 2(HDMI) speakers in the same room as your 5.1 setup.
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^^^was just about to add what jd said above. The 3313 is a fine piece of gear!
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^ $799 from Crutchfield, no tax. Isn't the X4000 retailing for $1299 (at least on Amazon). Maybe it's a $500 difference. I think I am going to be very happy moving from the 8 year old Yamaha to the 3313ci.

But, if someone wants to post the extras I'm missing I'll be happy to go down them one by one to tell you my opinion on them for my usage.
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Keep in mind that although most authorized resellers will charge MSRP (eg. Crutchfield) thare are a number of them that discount off MSRP to include AVScience Sales, Electronics Expo, Paul's TV, Wide World Stereo, etc. but you must call them to get their discounted price. Suffice it to say the difference would be closer to $200 than $400.By the same token however, if they have the 3313CI still in stock it would obviously be at a lower price point than Crutchfield as well. smile.gif


Edited by jdsmoothie - 7/20/13 at 6:32pm
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

Audyssey XT32
Audyssey SubEQ (2 subs)
Ability to expand to 9.2 with External Amp
Listen to 1 HDMI source & watch another

I'm just a normal listener who probably won't even appreciate much of the offerings the 3313 i just purchased has. The first item above I didn't even know about until coming back to the forum a few days ago. The last 3 are of no interest to me. I plugged and played my RX-V1400 back in 2004 and was content with my setup. Building a brand new house and being able to run wiring, etc. is what prompted my upgrade.

I have an SVS sub and can't imagine having two, lol, as my new drywall if not the foundation itself may crack with two.

As far as "calling" some of the vendors mentioned goes, for the average person one doesn't even know who to call. I wouldn't have even thought of calling SVS subs and hadn't even heard of the other vendors (AVScience Sales, Electronics Expo, Paul's TV, Wide World Stereo) jd mention. If you want to hit the masses put your price out there - you know the vast majority of Joe public isn't even going to forums for advice let alone calling places they have never heard of to see if the price on their website can be negotiated over the phone.

But back to the main point and my particular usage - none of the 4 options listed on the X4000 sound worth $100, $200, $300 or whatever for my usage so it sounds like getting a break on last year's old model was a great choice. For others, perhaps the X4000 is indeed the way to go. I'll put the money saved to something else in the new house (the plasma, a nice universal remote or if my wife gets wind that I saved some money she may steal it for a new set of china or something). Building and furnishing a new house isn't cheap so paying even $100 more for option I don't need doesn't make sense if it takes me beyond the budget I set $800. The 3313 seemed like a lot of receiver for that price so I pulled the trigger.
Edited by lawtyger - 7/20/13 at 6:50pm
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Congrats on your new house & 3313!
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thanks for the help guys!
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Originally Posted by lawtyger View Post


As far as "calling" some of the vendors mentioned goes, for the average person one doesn't even know who to call. I wouldn't have even thought of calling SVS subs and hadn't even heard of the other vendors (AVScience Sales, Electronics Expo, Paul's TV, Wide World Stereo) jd mention. If you want to hit the masses put your price out there - you know the vast majority of Joe public isn't even going to forums for advice let alone calling places they have never heard of to see if the price on their website can be negotiated over the phone.

Oh Quan Tar,

There have been hundreds of happy posters over the last 3 or 4 yrs. that have cashed in on the savings from advice to phone online resellers. The reason they do not post their prices is that when advertized on their website that opens the door to price matching especially from big box stores cutting into their market share.

To your point the X4000 is for the enthusiast and you should be very happy with your 3313.smile.gif
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question for teh gurus, on my new 2113ci, it seems like my surrounds are 'louder' or more pronounced than the rest of my speakers, this is most notable when playing battlefield3 on my ps3 where i'm getting lots of sound from my l/r surround but less from my l/r front and center speakers. i had run the audyssy setup holding the mic in the six different positions.
its running in dolby d mode during the game which seems to be the mode i notice it in the most, never had this problem with my 785s i had prior to this receiver.
thanks in advance for any help/advice
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Originally Posted by hikouka View Post

question for teh gurus, on my new 2113ci, it seems like my surrounds are 'louder' or more pronounced than the rest of my speakers, this is most notable when playing battlefield3 on my ps3 where i'm getting lots of sound from my l/r surround but less from my l/r front and center speakers. i had run the audyssy setup holding the mic in the six different positions.
its running in dolby d mode during the game which seems to be the mode i notice it in the most, never had this problem with my 785s i had prior to this receiver.
thanks in advance for any help/advice

If by "holding" you mean that you physically held the mic in your hand then all bets are off. As indicated in your 2113CI Owner's manual as well as listed in the Audyssey 101/FAQ Guide linked in my sig, for the best calibration you should be using either a camera tripod or better yet a mic boom stand as well as stepping out of the surround field each time and lastly using all 8 mic positions. Please refer to the Guide linked in my sig for more information.

Also note that the whole point of Audyssey Dyn EQ is to boost the surrounds/bass when the volume level is < 0db/80 so if you find it is too much boost, set the Reference Level Offset (p. 104 OM) to 10db.
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I have an issue on my 1713.

On my cable/sat input I'm getting no sound. Everything else is fine. Going to do a reset and see if it helps.
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When I did the Audyssey setup on my 1713 using the proper mic placing method in a standard room, it had my rear speakers WAY too loud. I made my adjustments manually and am much happier....
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Keep in mind that although most authorized resellers will charge MSRP (eg. Crutchfield) thare are a number of them that discount off MSRP to include AVScience Sales, Electronics Expo, Paul's TV, Wide World Stereo, etc. but you must call them to get their discounted price. Suffice it to say the difference would be closer to $200 than $400.By the same token however, if they have the 3313CI still in stock it would obviously be at a lower price point than Crutchfield as well. smile.gif

So, my fault for looking at this thread before going to bed - had Denon receivers on my mind all night smile.gif. To get a difference of $200 the X4000 would need to get down to $999. I took a look at the website for the store names listed and did some other general searches and the lowest I've seen the X4000 was $1,2999 (if the site even has it) and for the 3313 it was $799, again if it was even listed.

I've got the phone numbers for the places listed and will try to call to see what prices I get quoted. I'm happy with my price of $799 for the 3313 but if the suggestion is that the other shops go much lower over the phone and sell a X4000 for $999 (the $200 difference possibly suggested) or sell the 3313 for $100 to $200 less than the $799 I paid Crutchfield, than getting a X4000 for $999 or a 3313 for $699 is a decision I will have to reconsider. Everyone is sort of tip-toeing around what the price really is or could be for these two units so if you have a specific knowledge of the price being in this range than PM me. Like I said, building a new house is expensive so an extra hundred here and there just adds up to other toys for the house.

And yes, upon reconsideration of the X4000 if I could get it for only $200 more than the $799 I paid for the 3313 (as was suggested) then I may be inclined to do so mostly to have the newest model rather than last years and for the 4th difference listed earlier regarding listening and watching two different HDMIs in the main room.
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Originally Posted by brunotheboxer View Post

I have an issue on my 1713.

On my cable/sat input I'm getting no sound. Everything else is fine. Going to do a reset and see if it helps.

That was easy. Did the 10min soft reset and all is well. Must have been a glitch I guess.
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