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post #31 of 106
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lens filters good only to protect the lens. nothing else. lens filter only blur the video. video camera take clearer picture/video without filters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e9TUIC-Dtk
buy a spare battery and 32m memory card.
as for batteries, if you can afford. buy only original cannon made battery not third party batteries.

I disagree with you on the filter use . The video i thought was miss leading . And i know for a fact it does not blurr a video image or interfere with it in any way . You believe what you want but none of my videos are blurred at all and i have used a UV filter on all my equip . Main purpose i do have it is to protect the lens area and shutter . If you want yours full of dirt then don't use one but out here in w.texas where it is sand blowing always.... , i'd never be without one ! Look at the video links i have posted and see if you can detect if i do or do not have a filter on for that video . I'd like to see a Professional test done to prove filters cause blurred videos or images .
Edited by ronlhodges - 7/2/12 at 6:59pm
post #32 of 106
What is it about B&W that people don't like? They come highly recommended by the camera shops I've talked too and Canon support.
post #33 of 106
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What is it about B&W that people don't like? They come highly recommended by the camera shops I've talked too and Canon support.

Other forums i am on most people say the quality was not like it use to be . I have no experience with B&W so personally i cannot say that's why i mentioned other forums i've been people have mentioned this . Personally if you want B&W go for it , that way you'll be happy . I've talked several times with Canon but never about the filters . However if that support tech you talked to was dedicated he should have mentioned the kit of filters they sell for that particular camcorder . Other than that buy what you want . I just know HOYA filters and that is what i buy . There is some other filter brands that are way higher cost but i have no idea if they are any better or not .
post #34 of 106
Hi, after reading a bit about these HF M50, 52, 500 the net and here on AVS I decided to order one HF M500. Expecting delivery in the next few days... I have a few questions:

  • Did you try a wide angle lens attachement on your camcorder? If so how does it perform? Any image degradation? I find the 43 mm wide lens to be a bit restrictive, especially for indoor use.
  • Do you know where I could get a good price for a second battery?

Thanks,
Edited by dhan - 7/7/12 at 7:04am
post #35 of 106
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Hi, after reading a bit about these HF M50, 52, 500 the net and here on AVS I decided to order one HF M500. Expecting delivery in the next few days... I have a few questions:
  • Did you try a wide angle lens attachement on your camcorder? If so how does it perform? Any image degradation? I find the 43 mm wide lens to be a bit restrictive, especially for indoor use.
  • Do you know where I could get a good price for a second battery?
Thanks,

Congratulations on your order , i'm sure you will enjoy it . I have not tried a WA lens attachment . Canon is proud of theirs at $305.00 ! I know there are others on Amazon you can get really cheap like under $50.00 but honestly i have no idea if they are any good or if they can cause a bad video . I just know you usually get what you pay for but perhaps someone here may have had experience with cheaper ones and can fill you in . Sorry i been on vacation so haven't answered earlier . I know there are after market batteries for Canons M52, M50, M500 and Amazon has some real cheap but then again not sure how good they are . While on my vacation i spent the whole day at SeaWorld in San Antonio Tx . I did alot of video and had to stop twice and recharge so i would have enough charge for the fireworks that night so i did realize a second backup battery would be very nice ! I'll be editing video for the next 2-3 weeks i guess depending time i have . Look forward to hearing your replies and how you like the camera !
post #36 of 106
I posted today so your answer was quick!wink.gif

What is the average battery life you get for normal usage?
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I posted today so your answer was quick!wink.gif
What is the average battery life you get for normal usage?

In the LCD screen full charge usually shows about 160+/- and has been up to 180mins . I videoed off and on all day the 4th at SeaWorld and charged twice . First time i was down to about 43 mins left and i wanted to be sure to have enough for the fireworks show so i charged for 20 mins and it put it back to roughly 65-70 mins . Then i videoed more and got down to last click on the LCD panel showing battery low charge so i charged again for 45-mins and it put it back to 76-mins so did some more video then had about 45-mins left for the Fireworks and shot a full 15-mins none stop and had 30-mins left on the battery . Altogether i shot 38 pictures and 137 videos strips at different lengths . After i put them all together i had about 1-hr and 22-mins worth of viewing and will be putting it on a DVD later to watch on TV . This is my first time for a vacation trip and video anything special so just glad i got what i wanted . I added in transitions for each different scene and added a introduction and ending . So all in all i think the battery helt up really well for what i did from 10:00am til 10:00pm that day .
post #38 of 106
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Made my first DVD for watching on the TV and i am highly surprised how well it did . It turned out to be just over an hour and twenty minutes . I recorded in Manual mode with XP+ , AVCHD . The video turned out very well and was pleased how well it looked on my 37" LG LCD TV 720p . Next time i video for a DVD i'll try FULL HD at highest quality and see how well it comes out . At the settings i chose it gave me a little over 5-hrs recording data on a 32-gig card . Highest quality knocks me down to juts a little over 2 hrs on the same card . Mostly now just learning the best way to use PSE Premiere 10 which has turned out to be a great software editor for my needs . I know i made the right choice when i bought Adobe !

Here is a Sample on YouTube :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTqXL6ek1cY&feature=plcp
Edited by ronlhodges - 7/8/12 at 7:16pm
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Ron,

I'm having a small disagreement with some long time, senior posters ("gurus") at the Adobe Premier Elements forum. Basically, they are writing that PE does not support 1080p60. I'm trying to politely suggest they are wrong. When you try the highest quality setting on your camera, does it record in 1080i60 or 1080p60? If it does the p60, would you test it in PE10 for me?

Thanks.

Bill
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Ron,
I'm having a small disagreement with some long time, senior posters ("gurus") at the Adobe Premier Elements forum. Basically, they are writing that PE does not support 1080p60. I'm trying to politely suggest they are wrong. When you try the highest quality setting on your camera, does it record in 1080i60 or 1080p60? If it does the p60, would you test it in PE10 for me?
Thanks.
Bill

I'll check it out later when i'm not working Bill . I think that i saw output quality there was a choice of 1080HD 60p but i'll have to double check . At Canon it states
"
24Mbps Recording offers the highest bit rate in the AVCHD standard. The result is enhanced detail, finer tonal gradation and improved reproduction of moving subjects."

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/standard_display/VIXIA_imgquality#h
post #41 of 106
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Ron,
I'm having a small disagreement with some long time, senior posters ("gurus") at the Adobe Premier Elements forum. Basically, they are writing that PE does not support 1080p60. I'm trying to politely suggest they are wrong. When you try the highest quality setting on your camera, does it record in 1080i60 or 1080p60? If it does the p60, would you test it in PE10 for me?
Thanks.
Bill
From when i was comparing the specs of this to the V700, i think i remember seeing that the m50 didn't do 1080/60p but only 1080/60i.
post #42 of 106
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I found this searching the web and thought i'd share it cause this may make since to a few wondering about this question of difference between 1080i or 1080p and from what i read i agree with the explainations or at least it's the best explaination i've read so far .

http://www.highdefforum.com/archive/t-100811.html

here is something i found on Panasonics page :

http://www.panasonic.net/avc/camcorder/hd/900_800_series/feature1.html#more2
post #43 of 106
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I found this searching the web and thought i'd share it cause this may make since to a few wondering about this question of difference between 1080i or 1080p and from what i read i agree with the explainations or at least it's the best explaination i've read so far .
http://www.highdefforum.com/archive/t-100811.html
here is something i found on Panasonics page :
http://www.panasonic.net/avc/camcorder/hd/900_800_series/feature1.html#more2
In order to take advantage of 1080/60p, not only does the camera need to support that format, but also every link in the chain along the way to the viewer. In other words, the NLE, the playback device, and then finally the display. Now obviously the display will support it as long as it's a 1080p display, since all displays have a minimum refresh rate of 60Hz. The NLE and playback device typically need to support the AVCHD 2.0 standard in order to display your recorded content at 60 progressive frames per second.

For further technical details on the AVCHD standards, see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVCHD#Specifications
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Originally Posted by bsprague View Post

Ron,
I'm having a small disagreement with some long time, senior posters ("gurus") at the Adobe Premier Elements forum. Basically, they are writing that PE does not support 1080p60. I'm trying to politely suggest they are wrong. When you try the highest quality setting on your camera, does it record in 1080i60 or 1080p60? If it does the p60, would you test it in PE10 for me?
Thanks.
Bill
Judging from their own website, and a few threads in other forums, it does not look like PE supports AVCHD 2.0 yet.
post #44 of 106
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From when i was comparing the specs of this to the V700, i think i remember seeing that the m50 didn't do 1080/60p but only 1080/60i.
I'm not sure what the real truth is, but I bought into the Panasonic version that 1080p60 is better than 1080i60 because I bought a Panasonic. Later I bought a Sony that does p60 too. For some reason, Panasonic and Sony seem to push it and Canon seems to push another approach.

The reason I asked Ron if his camera does 1080p60 was not to start a features discussion. Rather, I was hoping he would "test" 1080p60 files in his Premier Elements 10 software. On another forum, the moderators are insisting 1080p60 is not supported and won't work. I'm not having any trouble and all I have is a mid grade laptop. I don't think the moderators on the other forum have a camera that does 1080p60, so can't or won't try it.

Bill
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Originally Posted by bsprague View Post

I'm not sure what the real truth is, but I bought into the Panasonic version that 1080p60 is better than 1080i60 because I bought a Panasonic. Later I bought a Sony that does p60 too. For some reason, Panasonic and Sony seem to push it and Canon seems to push another approach.
The reason I asked Ron if his camera does 1080p60 was not to start a features discussion. Rather, I was hoping he would "test" 1080p60 files in his Premier Elements 10 software. On another forum, the moderators are insisting 1080p60 is not supported and won't work. I'm not having any trouble and all I have is a mid grade laptop. I don't think the moderators on the other forum have a camera that does 1080p60, so can't or won't try it.
Bill
I think the key point of the question is how one defines if/how it "works" on the NLE. I don't have Adobe PE but my guess is that it will import any 1080/60p clips just fine and you can edit them as you could with any other formats. However, when you go to render the finished product, the output file might be in a format other than 1080/60p (ie 1080/60i or 1080/30p.) My suggestion would be to cross check the input and output files with a program I use called MediaInfo. This is an excellent free tool to give the user some insight into the codec and attributes of the video file.

Being that AVCHD 2.0 is so new, it doesn't surprise me that most NLEs or playback devices don't support it yet. But that doesn't mean recording in 1080/60p and preserving the original AVC files in that format are without benefit. It's only a matter of time before AVCHD 2.0 sees widespread adoption (and i believe the PS3 already does) so buying a camera which supports it now (but maybe your NLE or playback device does not yet) is more or less a case of future proofing for those high detail, fast motion shots you want to record now and playback at the highest possible quality later.
post #46 of 106
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Here is what i found out on the M50 :


Native 24p Mode – allows 24 frames per second to be captured and recorded — a big advantage for serious filmmaking work.

24p Cinema Mode* – a combination of two features that can be used independently or together. The first feature offers a video frame rate of 24p, while the second adjusts the color and tonal characteristics to evoke the look and feel of a big-screen movie.

30p Progressive Mode* – once exclusive to pro-level camcorders, this mode delivers clarity to fast-action subjects like news and sports, and is the perfect frame rate for clips intended to be posted on the web.
*Records in 60i.


30p Progressive Mode is great for fast action subjects



So basically what i'm sayin Bill is that i guess i can't test it cause it only records in 60i , sorry frown.gif .

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/standard_display/VIXIA_performance
post #47 of 106
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......So basically what i'm sayin Bill is that i guess i can't test it cause it only records in 60i , sorry frown.gif .
http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/standard_display/VIXIA_performance
No issue. The various mode setting on these cameras we have can stir up a lot of argument. I want to emphasize that I don't think there is anything wrong with your, or any, camera because it does not do 1080p60 -- which makes HUGE files.

What I think I've learned (maybe) is that Windows 7 can be installed in a 64bit version allowing it the opportunity to use nearly an unlimited amount of RAM. The 32 bit version of Windows 7, and earlier, are 32 bit and, somehow, that limits them to 4GB of RAM. Not knowing any better I put 8 GB in my laptop. Since it has Win 7 64, I installed the 64 bit version of Premier Elements 10. What I think that means is that the HUGE 1080p60 files don't choke on my computer. No, it is not speedy, but it works. The moderator I was having a discussion with apparently had a good computer, but was either not using the 64 bit PE10, 64bit W.in 7 or didn't have as much memory.

(For those that don't have it, if you buy Premier Elements 10 in a box with DVDs, there are three versions in the box. One for Macs, one for 32 bit versions of Windows and one for 64 bit Windows 7. You can use the serial number twice. You could install once on a Mac and once on a PC, or two Macs or two PCs. Pretty good for $65.)

If you're interested in this, you can read the "discussions" here, http://forums.adobe.com/message/4544344#4544344 and here, http://forums.adobe.com/message/4549057#4549057.

Bill
post #48 of 106
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I'll be off friday so i'm going to test what i can anyway . I've not actually tested in the max performance of the M50 yet i know it has 30 Mbps or 24Mbps and so far only the 24Mbps is all i have tried . I don't usually go the max cause of the large files and short time to video in . But since it will be a test only it doesn't matter . It will just be a short test anyway . BTW my computers at home have a 750-gig HDD with 3.0 GHz AMD Athlon II x4 640 processor and i have 5-gig mem (upgradeable to 8-gig) , WOS7 64-bit . I install everything at 64-bit . Now PE is somewhat slow opening and getting to the work table but after that it's about average speed .
Edited by ronlhodges - 7/11/12 at 2:05pm
post #49 of 106
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No issue. The various mode setting on these cameras we have can stir up a lot of argument. I want to emphasize that I don't think there is anything wrong with your, or any, camera because it does not do 1080p60 -- which makes HUGE files.
What I think I've learned (maybe) is that Windows 7 can be installed in a 64bit version allowing it the opportunity to use nearly an unlimited amount of RAM. The 32 bit version of Windows 7, and earlier, are 32 bit and, somehow, that limits them to 4GB of RAM. Not knowing any better I put 8 GB in my laptop. Since it has Win 7 64, I installed the 64 bit version of Premier Elements 10. What I think that means is that the HUGE 1080p60 files don't choke on my computer. No, it is not speedy, but it works. The moderator I was having a discussion with apparently had a good computer, but was either not using the 64 bit PE10, 64bit W.in 7 or didn't have as much memory.
(For those that don't have it, if you buy Premier Elements 10 in a box with DVDs, there are three versions in the box. One for Macs, one for 32 bit versions of Windows and one for 64 bit Windows 7. You can use the serial number twice. You could install once on a Mac and once on a PC, or two Macs or two PCs. Pretty good for $65.)
If you're interested in this, you can read the "discussions" here, http://forums.adobe.com/message/4544344#4544344 and here, http://forums.adobe.com/message/4549057#4549057.
Bill

I did a short test tonight and definitely it only records in 60i and in Cinemode only tho . It give a choice of 60i as standard , and 30p or 24p recording . I did the 60i and processed it for a viewable computer show and it had no problem during the progress until finished . This was with PE 10 .
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Ordered ours today based on great reviews of the 2011 M400. I will post comments after it comes....
Is it worth it to get the UV filter for normal use? I am worried it will affect recording.
Sent from my DROID BIONIC using Tapatalk 2

Congratulations on your order ! I definitely believe you will have joys of fun and be happy with your choice . And yes i would definitely get the HOYA 43mm Filter ! it is very thin , wont interfere with any videos , and it helps some with reflection but the very main reason i bought mine was because it protects the optic glass when the shutter is open and keeps it free of debris or if you accidently bump it you wont touch the lens optics at all . I been using UV filters on all my cameras and lens for yrs and i have HOYAs on each and everyone ! I put this on a few days after i bought the camcorder and never taken it off . All the video links i have posted were shot with the UV filter on so check them out and you'll see there is no interference .

I ended up getting the HOYA "G" series filter.... It was under $10 so caught my eye. Do you happen to know what the difference is? I am kinda clueless lol. I see the one you posted says multicoated, the G does not but to me it is another language.

I did take a test vid (max quality, AVCHD) and played back the file streamed onto my tv. Great quality for indoor (our house doesn't have the best light), there was minimal noise. I am looking forward to checking outdoor daytime clips.

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I ended up getting the HOYA "G" series filter.... It was under $10 so caught my eye. Do you happen to know what the difference is? I am kinda clueless lol. I see the one you posted says multicoated, the G does not but to me it is another language.
I did take a test vid (max quality, AVCHD) and played back the file streamed onto my tv. Great quality for indoor (our house doesn't have the best light), there was minimal noise. I am looking forward to checking outdoor daytime clips.
Sent from my DROID BIONIC using Tapatalk 2

You would understand it better by reading here on the HOYA website especially at the bottom of the page where it tells the value in a Multi-coated filters . It's very easily understood here :

http://www.hoyafilter.com/products/hoya/hoya-02.html
post #52 of 106
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I did a short test tonight and definitely it only records in 60i and in Cinemode only tho . It give a choice of 60i as standard , and 30p or 24p recording . I did the 60i and processed it for a viewable computer show and it had no problem during the progress until finished . This was with PE 10 .
Life is good when your Canon camcorder at its best setting, your Microsoft driven computer and your Adobe software all work happily together!

Bill
post #53 of 106
"I want to emphasize that I don't think there is anything wrong with your, or any, camera because it does not do 1080p60 -- which makes HUGE files."

I agree that 108060p is not the the be all and end all of video, but

Careful - file size depends ONLY on bitrate, not frame rate or whether there is interlacing.

The bitrate for the best 108060i setting on most camcorders is 24Mbps. That for 108060p is 28Mbps. Choosing 108060p is not going to make the file size hugely different (actually it will be 1/6th bigger). Choosing a lower bitrate 108060i will lower quality relative to the 24Mbps setting; this has nothing to do with progressive versus interlaced.
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"I want to emphasize that I don't think there is anything wrong with your, or any, camera because it does not do 1080p60 -- which makes HUGE files."
I agree that 108060p is not the the be all and end all of video, but
Careful - file size depends ONLY on bitrate, not frame rate or whether there is interlacing.
The bitrate for the best 108060i setting on most camcorders is 24Mbps. That for 108060p is 28Mbps. Choosing 108060p is not going to make the file size hugely different (actually it will be 1/6th bigger). Choosing a lower bitrate 108060i will lower quality relative to the 24Mbps setting; this has nothing to do with progressive versus interlaced.

Appreciate the info there and i understand for the most part what your talking about . I definitely know that my camera or most cameras on the market today do not do 108060p but the difference is so small that you would have to be highly technical to be able to tell the difference , and it actually cannot be judged by looking and comparing two different camcorders of comparable qualities or the video they produce . It's mostly is going to be from the data source of the video output . Most people looking for an average camcorder that will produce what top notch television camcorders can do . Other words what i'm saying is just because i have a Canon HF M50 and on market average it's pricey yes for that camcorder range but some people may expect it to produce a video at the equal quality of the Canon XF or XH models which are high $$$ professional camcorders but it just simply is not going to do it . You have so much difference in structure , lens , quality and for most people that buy those type are usually professionals in a field not only of using it but knowing how it works and last but least have the proper software and editing know how to make movies like what you see on TV . Lower grade camcorders in the range i have cannot compete but like i said some people with little knowledge ( i'm one of them ) probably do expect that quality . But i'm all up for testing and i'll be testing the 30p and 24p recording also . All in all is what can people afford and what are they going to use it for and to what extent ?? But mainly i tell people to make sure you are happy with your purchase cause it maybe one you have a long time so don't buy just cause someone says hey this is a good camera or because someone was able to make a video and you want the same results . I have a long way to go to learn all this bitrate and out put . It's fun but i'm not a pro by a long shot and that is not my intentions so as long as i know i have a quality camera and software to do the business and i can produce a satisfactory video for me and the family to watch , then i'm happy wink.gif !

Sorry i got so far off subject but mainly i just wanted to mention that all bsprague was wanting to find out is if my camcorder recorded in 60i or 60p and if it did 60p then test and see if Premiere Elements software could work it and produce a 1080 60p video output . But it only records at 60i so testing it for that purpose would not help . BUT it's still a great camcorder !!
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Life is good when your Canon camcorder at its best setting, your Microsoft driven computer and your Adobe software all work happily together!
Bill

Yep your right there ! wink.gif
post #56 of 106
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Originally Posted by bsprague View Post

Ron,
I'm having a small disagreement with some long time, senior posters ("gurus") at the Adobe Premier Elements forum. Basically, they are writing that PE does not support 1080p60. I'm trying to politely suggest they are wrong. When you try the highest quality setting on your camera, does it record in 1080i60 or 1080p60? If it does the p60, would you test it in PE10 for me?
Thanks.
Bill

Bill were yoyu ever able to find out if PE processed a 60p video or not ?
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Bill were yoyu ever able to find out if PE processed a 60p video or not ?
It most certainly does on my Toshiba laptop, i5 one disk computer, which is far from a video workstation workhorse.

There is a PE board dominated by a couple of long time experts. One says Adobe "does not support" 60p. He doesn't have a 60p camcorder so can't or won't try it. Adobe's PE10 product sheet says it supports AVCHD, but doesn't say 1.0 or 2.0, where 60p is fully included.

Where the issue came up on the Adobe board was where someone is having trouble with 60p on and older computer. I think the trouble is that, like lots of software with many thousands of users, a few have hardware/software conflicts. The thousands that make it work never show up on the trouble shooting user boards. The few that do, can seem like a lot. I had to give up on Vegas Movie Studio when, after a month of easy fun, it locked up permanently. I worked on it for weeks and decided it was time to concentrate on PE10.

So, as far as I'm concerned and until someone proves otherwise, it works even if the sentence "Premier Elements is designed to accept and process 1080p60 files." can't be found. You can'f find a sentence saying it doesn't work either.

Bill
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Has anyone figured out how to get the Wi-Fi connection working well? Is there something I'm missing? I detect my router, enter the encryption key, and it can not log in. All other devices on my network are all using the same password I am entering into the camer and they work perfectly. Can anyone help?

Sincerely,
Very grateful new M50 owner.
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Originally Posted by raskal66 View Post

Has anyone figured out how to get the Wi-Fi connection working well? Is there something I'm missing? I detect my router, enter the encryption key, and it can not log in. All other devices on my network are all using the same password I am entering into the camer and they work perfectly. Can anyone help?
Sincerely,
Very grateful new M50 owner.

I have not chose to use mine in my M50 . I disabled the Wi-Fi . Have you gone into the settings and enabled the Wi-Fi ? Just checking . I know alot have trouble with it connecting but i have read where some liked it really well .
post #60 of 106
Hi,
I just found your thread and have started to view it; I'm up to posting number 14. My camera is the Canon HF M50, with filters, lens accessories (not Canon) wide and tele, 32 GB cards: two at 30mbps and one at 45 mbps. I just ordered a sd extreme pro 32 mb card that is speedy at 90 mb per second. I also have a iMAC to edit on running Final Cut Pro X. I'll be attending an editing class at the local film school this month till spring.
So much for getting caught up with digital video technology.
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