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post #1021 of 1056
How do the 60U50 and 60U54 compare to the LG 60PN6500 and 60PA6500 and 60PA6550 as well as to the S60 and S64?
I've been looking at the LG 60PN6500 for $799 + tax, but see the 60U54 for about the same price with shipping. I also found the Panasonic TC-P60U50 at my local Walmart for only $700. I though the LP was the cheapest 60" plasma before that. Someone recommended the U50 and S60 over the LG at comparable prices, but I know nothing about these Panasonic models since they are not reviewed by Consumer Reports, except for the S60, which has better PQ than the PA6500. If the U50 is as good as the S60, then I'd probably buy that, especially with it being $100 cheaper than the LG.
post #1022 of 1056
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What is the PQ difference, if any, between this, and the new S60, for the 50" size? I am torn between the two
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Originally Posted by Tk111 View Post

The u54 and u50 have the vt50 panel without all the bells and whistles...

What is the vt50 panel? So, without bells and whistles, I assume the PQ is equivalent between the U50/54 and S60? Consumer Reports describes the S60 as superior PQ to the 50LGPN6500, but I don't have a reference to the U50/54.
post #1023 of 1056
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Originally Posted by HDTimeShifter View Post


What is the vt50 panel? So, without bells and whistles, I assume the PQ is equivalent between the U50/54 and S60? Consumer Reports describes the S60 as superior PQ to the 50LGPN6500, but I don't have a reference to the U50/54.

I think you should check out the S60 thread. Reports are that the S60 panel has some sort of filter built into it and is a higher quality panel than the U50. Whether you'd notice that improvement or not is debatable. Also, I question that the U50 uses the VT50's panel "without the bells and whistles". The VT50 was the top-of-the-line panel from Panasonic in 2012.

If it were my money and those were my options I'd pay the $100 for the S60.
post #1024 of 1056
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Originally Posted by bbexperience View Post

I think you should check out the S60 thread. Reports are that the S60 panel has some sort of filter built into it and is a higher quality panel than the U50. Whether you'd notice that improvement or not is debatable. Also, I question that the U50 uses the VT50's panel "without the bells and whistles". The VT50 was the top-of-the-line panel from Panasonic in 2012.

If it were my money and those were my options I'd pay the $100 for the S60.
I'm sorry i miss quoted the u50/54 have the exact same panel as the ST50?
post #1025 of 1056
Please assist with the calibration I used.

The problem I am having since the calbration is too much of a red hue or tinge in the picture. You see it in peoples faces as it is very noticeable in the faces. Also, for example, the red color that you see on the bottom of ESPN the red it too over blown.

How do I dial down a little on the reds with the calibration I used below?

The calibration I used came from:
http://reviews.*******************.com/panasonic-plasma-tv/panasonic-u50-picturesettings

I used it exactly how they put it which is:

Picture Mode: Custom
Contrast: 80
Brightness: 64
Color: 49
Sharpness: 15
Tint: 0
Color Temp: Warm2
CATS: OFF
Mosquito NR: OFF
Motion Smoother: OFF
Black Level: Light
24P Direct In: 60Hz

And went into the Service Menu and adjusted the white balance like they had it:

W/B high R +7
W/B high G 0
W/B high B +16
W/B low R +7
W/B low G 0
W/B low B +5
post #1026 of 1056
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Originally Posted by mjnoles1 View Post

Please assist with the calibration I used.

The problem I am having since the calbration is too much of a red hue or tinge in the picture. You see it in peoples faces as it is very noticeable in the faces. Also, for example, the red color that you see on the bottom of ESPN the red it too over blown.

How do I dial down a little on the reds with the calibration I used below?

The calibration I used came from:
http://reviews.*******************.com/panasonic-plasma-tv/panasonic-u50-picturesettings

I used it exactly how they put it which is:

Picture Mode: Custom
Contrast: 80
Brightness: 64
Color: 49
Sharpness: 15
Tint: 0
Color Temp: Warm2
CATS: OFF
Mosquito NR: OFF
Motion Smoother: OFF
Black Level: Light
24P Direct In: 60Hz

And went into the Service Menu and adjusted the white balance like they had it:

W/B high R +7
W/B high G 0
W/B high B +16
W/B low R +7
W/B low G 0
W/B low B +5
Put it back to default and use anikun's new settings that have the click method and you will be more than happy
post #1027 of 1056
Hello all!

I own the 50U50 and have been considering getting the CYS 2100 SCART RGB to YUV adapter for my oldskool consoles (Genesis, SNES, Neo Geo) but I've heard that some TVs can actually accept RGB via component with no conversion.

My questions are:
  1. Will this TV accept an RGB signal (like from a PS2 switched to RGB in the settings)?
  2. Will this TV display a 240p resolution over component?

My computer is currently hooked up to the TV via component, as I sometimes use the TV as a 2nd monitor. Would setting the desktop resolution to 320x240 be an acceptable test (assuming Nvidia will let me set a custom resolution that low)?

If anybody wants to answer a couple bonus questions:

If I wanted to build an RGB cable for my Neo Geo (assuming RGB works on my TV) where would the composite sync signal go? (My wild guess is the green plug)

and

What color mode should I set my 360 on? (totally unrelated!)
Edited by Billkwando - 5/14/13 at 12:41pm
post #1028 of 1056
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Originally Posted by mjnoles1 View Post


And went into the Service Menu and adjusted the white balance like they had it:

Could you please PM me the procedure to get into the service menu? (I know, all "disclaimers apply" and "this energy drink may cause posterior discharge") wink.gif

Thanks!!!! smile.gif
post #1029 of 1056
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Originally Posted by Billkwando View Post

Could you please PM me the procedure to get into the service menu? (I know, all "disclaimers apply" and "this energy drink may cause posterior discharge") wink.gif

Thanks!!!! smile.gif

Are the instructions anywhere in this forum? I am interested in tweaking the service menu too, but cannot find entry instruction anywhere.

DerrikMo
post #1030 of 1056
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Originally Posted by derrikm View Post

Are the instructions anywhere in this forum? I am interested in tweaking the service menu too, but cannot find entry instruction anywhere.

DerrikMo

I think I found it here:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1410013/the-official-panasonic-u50-54-owners-thread/780#post_22980749

but be careful and write everything down before you mess with it.
post #1031 of 1056
Just got the 60U54 about 2 months ago and I have to say I'm somewhat underwhelmed after everything I had heard about plasma TVs. The black levels aren't out of this world and the worst part is that any high contrast areas (especially white text on a black background) produce an RGB rainbow effect similar to DLP projectors. Does anyone on here have any advice for remedying either or both of these problems? I would really appreciate it so that I don't have to try and sell this TV, since I'm still try to sell my old 46" one and I don't have room for these babies to keep piling up!
post #1032 of 1056
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Originally Posted by kevdoggx View Post

Just got the 60U54 about 2 months ago and I have to say I'm somewhat underwhelmed after everything I had heard about plasma TVs. The black levels aren't out of this world and the worst part is that any high contrast areas (especially white text on a black background) produce an RGB rainbow effect similar to DLP projectors. Does anyone on here have any advice for remedying either or both of these problems? I would really appreciate it so that I don't have to try and sell this TV, since I'm still try to sell my old 46" one and I don't have room for these babies to keep piling up!
Calibrate in the service menu using anikun's settings, you might have a lemon I have the same tv and have no such problems
post #1033 of 1056
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Originally Posted by Tk111 View Post

Calibrate in the service menu using anikun's settings, you might have a lemon I have the same tv and have no such problems

Thanks. I did try anikuns updated settings last night and I think things are improving now that I have over 100 hours on the TV, but that rainbow effect is just too much to handle. From others on here it seems like Panny has pretty good customer service, do you recommend I run this past them and see what they say?
post #1034 of 1056
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Originally Posted by kevdoggx View Post

Thanks. I did try anikuns updated settings last night and I think things are improving now that I have over 100 hours on the TV, but that rainbow effect is just too much to handle. From others on here it seems like Panny has pretty good customer service, do you recommend I run this past them and see what they say?
The tv gets better with age, mine looked like total **** until I got about 200 hours on it I now have a 1000 plus and its beautiful panasonic isn't going to do **** for you, cinema modei have a well lit room and my settings are contrast 84 brightness 57 color 49 tint 0 sharp 0 or 25 all other options off, I played battlefield 3 on game mode for 4 hours Thursday night and didn't see a hint of IR game mode 85 55 49 0 50 color management on all others off, Cnet's 10th best 60" tv in the world
post #1035 of 1056
What are the differences between the U50 and U54? and do they both have gamma presets, to get the gamma to 2.2?

Also, how do they compare to this years S60 when it comes to black levels, brightness and color?
Because the difference between color was quite shocking when i compared my 2011 S30 to my 2012 X5.....My X5's color(Super vibrant, rich and saturated)blew it out of the water and the picture was also noticably brighter, but because it's a low end 720p model the black levels were weak...definitly weaker then the S30's.
Edited by WaveBoy - 6/22/13 at 10:24pm
post #1036 of 1056
Only going by memory here, but I think the u54 was a costco type variant of the panel, maybe lacking the game mode of the u50, other than that the same panel. As for gamma presets, there are none. If you check out cnet they have measurements of the u50. If your looking for over saturated color I don't think the u50 will do that too well, I find the color to be very subdued and natural on this panel.
post #1037 of 1056
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Originally Posted by cv1981 View Post

Only going by memory here, but I think the u54 was a costco type variant of the panel, maybe lacking the game mode of the u50, other than that the same panel. As for gamma presets, there are none. If you check out cnet they have measurements of the u50. If your looking for over saturated color I don't think the u50 will do that too well, I find the color to be very subdued and natural on this panel.

Well, CNET after calibration(i think) got a gamma of 2.026...The question is what is it in custom & game mode. and i`m suprised to hear that the colors are on the subdued side since my X5 can produce very rich, vibrant, saturated and punchy colors, MUCH more so than my dissapointing S30 ever could. You`d think the colors of the X5 would carry on to the U50....The only other main differences being that the U50 has FAR better black levels, superior motion handeling and 1080p. My X5`s black levels are noticably weaker and flat out mediocre compared to my 2011 S30`s deep inky blacks and the same goes for motion handeling. i guess panasonic`s 720p models get the worst of everything.tongue.gif Even CNET scored it with a 2 out of 5 stars.
Edited by WaveBoy - 6/23/13 at 9:30pm
post #1038 of 1056
i always owned lcd tv panasonic now I'm looking to buy a plasma tv im a bit nervous going with a plasma for the image retention if it going to break after 1 year etc i'm looking a 3 model u50 or ut 50 and the s60 witch one could be the best for my need gaming and movie only smile.gif
post #1039 of 1056
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Originally Posted by WaveBoy View Post

Well, CNET after calibration(i think) got a gamma of 2.026...The question is what is it in custom & game mode. and i`m suprised to hear that the colors are on the subdued side since my X5 can produce very rich, vibrant, saturated and punchy colors, MUCH more so than my dissapointing S30 ever could. You`d think the colors of the X5 would carry on to the U50....The only other main differences being that the U50 has FAR better black levels, superior motion handeling and 1080p. My X5`s black levels are noticably weaker and flat out mediocre compared to my 2011 S30`s deep inky blacks and the same goes for motion handeling. i guess panasonic`s 720p models get the worst of everything.tongue.gif Even CNET scored it with a 2 out of 5 stars.

Game and custom not sure what the gamma is on those modes, but there is certain processing on that can't be disabled. Brighter scenes seems to crush the dark areas into pure black, maybe it is some sort of black extension, not positive. If you don't mind losing some picture accuracy game and custom mode are nice and punchy looking.
post #1040 of 1056
Hi all, I just bought this TV online and it should arrive shortly. I'm planning on playing some older games(like mega man 2) on this tv using the Wii U Virtual console. After reading a lot of messages on this thread, it seems that people use some images to "break in" their plasma tv to avoid IR.

So my question is : should I run these images slides http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloads/download_main.htm for 200 hours before playing older games with some static images like megaman 2?

As you can see on this screenshot http://psoneclassics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/mega_man_2gameplay1.jpg on the top corner left of the screen, there are two vertical bars that sticks there when playing. After the 200 hours, should I not even worry one bit for IR? I would greatly appreciate your help, i'm not familiar with TV's. Thank you
post #1041 of 1056
Every panel seems to be unique in regards to IR. My U50 after about 4000 hours still gets it. I can lessen it by keeping contrast to around 50. Not sure if those images will help with IR but I guess it can't hurt to try.
post #1042 of 1056
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Originally Posted by Steffz0r View Post

Hi all, I just bought this TV online and it should arrive shortly. I'm planning on playing some older games(like mega man 2) on this tv using the Wii U Virtual console. After reading a lot of messages on this thread, it seems that people use some images to "break in" their plasma tv to avoid IR.

So my question is : should I run these images slides http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloads/download_main.htm for 200 hours before playing older games with some static images like megaman 2?

As you can see on this screenshot http://psoneclassics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/mega_man_2gameplay1.jpg on the top corner left of the screen, there are two vertical bars that sticks there when playing. After the 200 hours, should I not even worry one bit for IR? I would greatly appreciate your help, i'm not familiar with TV's. Thank you

In a word, no. Play all you want, just try not to go longer than say, 2 hours straight with static images on the screen, and when you're done playing (and during breaks) always run the slide/wipe tool in the menu. It doesn't have to be for the full 15 minutes. but it's better than pausing. I've played hours of games on my 50U50 with no permanent IR. We've fallen asleep with the netflix menu on and the IR was gone by the end of the next day.

Now on to another topic. The Viera U50 plasma DOES work with 240p video signals!!!!!

I decided to take a gamble and bought a CSY 2100 / CVS 287 clone (a converter box that converts RGB signals taken directly from game consoles's output via SCART cable and converts them to component video for displaying on CRTs and HDTVs) as I've heard that it tends to work on Panasonics. It works perfectly on my Neo Geo, which looks as good as 240p possibly can on a honkin big plasma screen. I'm thinking about picking up a scanline generator as those big pixels are a bit scary when you think about it) but apparently they're all geared toward gear that's 480 and up, which is a bit ironic, methinks.

Anyway, anyone who owns this TV and was nervous about pulling the trigger, worry not!

Now if only we could find a way to defeat the TV's autosensing jacks, so we could hook up a switchbox to swap between composite and component video..... Not that I'll need composite for much after I complete my SCART cable collection! biggrin.gif

P.S. My TV and I both reside in the USA, in case the SCART thing throws you off. The cables are ordered from retro console (monoprice doesn't do SCART game cables) and the box came from Amazon (alas monoprice doesn't do those either).
Edited by Billkwando - 6/28/13 at 12:48pm
post #1043 of 1056
Hey everyone.

This week I've noticed what I think is the Dirty Screen Effect on my 2-month old 50u50. There are some vertical lines on the right side of the screen that appear on lighter colours, especially when the camera pans over lighter colours.

I called Panasonic and they're sending a tech.

Just wondering what I should expect the tech to do. Does anyone know what causes DSE and how it's fixed?

Thanks
post #1044 of 1056
Other than replacing the panel, I haven't read anything on the forum of how a tech can fix that issue. Looks more like something you will just have to live with, or return it if you can, and hope to get a panel with less of the dreaded DSE.
post #1045 of 1056
I just checked it out with a green background, and if I turn the contrast down to 60-70 it becomes VERY visible across the entire right half of the screen. not good!
post #1046 of 1056
Thanks the the 2nd Edition Spears & Munsil bluray...which has jumped to the top of my calibration disc collection...I've made some minor tweaks:

Cinema

Contrast: 94
Brightness: 56
Color: 49
Tint: -2
Sharpness: +15
Color Temp: Warm1
post #1047 of 1056
Has anyone actually calibrate the U50 with a meter? I have and my settings are quite different than the settings Anikun07's settings that everyone is using. I am away from home so I cant post them but this weekend I will try and rerun a calibration using Dnices settings and then with my current ones and Ill probably try my factory ones again also. Mine was actually pretty close out of the box.

I used a X-rite i1 Display Pro to calibrate it and I believe it to be accurate as I recently bought a factory calibrated Dell u2713hm and the meter read very comparable # as came the factory calibration card for the u2713hm.

I have read the whole thread sometime ago and I thought I saw someone actually calibrated theirs with a meter but I cant find the post now.

Note I used HCFR and now I noticed using the new one when I tried it this weekend my # changed a little bit. I haven't kept up with the recent changes so if someone knows all the different settings I need for using it on a plasma let me know. Off hand I used the 10% window on the older HCFR and one the new one I used 1% was comparable to the old 10% windows. Also didn't notice much difference using Plasma meter correction vs not using a correction. They have added some other new items I don't know what I need to use for sure like under gamma I used the default BT 1886 and I read that I should be using Display Gamma with black compensation and I haven't tried that to see if it makes a difference in my results.
Edited by bscool - 11/15/13 at 4:47pm
post #1048 of 1056
Haven't calibrated my U50, but I am curious to see what settings you have come up with:D
post #1049 of 1056
I do have some results on this laptop I have with me from calibration from this last summer. This was using HCFR 3.0.4.0 and like I mentioned before now with the newer HCFR 3.1.0.2 I get slightly different results, for the better if I remember correctly. I just played around with the new HCFR this weekend but I didn't have much time.

These are the same settings but showing the difference in results from using a 10% window vs a 25% window. Overall the 25% #'s "look" better in HCFR but they are the exact same settings in the TV. You can see the ABL brings the 100% white reading down from 93 cd/m to 85 cd/m with the 25% window also.

Also reading back at some of the old posts I see people saying that there blacks are grey and not a true black, my blacks are so black I cannot tell where my TV screen ends and the benzel starts when watching in a dark room and putting up a black background on my screen. So I don't know what to think of that, could it be something in the settings? I have my brightness at 51 and contrast I have set from 71-85 depending on my use, I also use it for my HTPC and I turn it down to 71 when using it for the HTPC and usually just end up leaving it on that since that's what I use to view anything on the TV 99% of the time.



post #1050 of 1056
ahh very nice!
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