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post #301 of 1056
Guess I'll need to find the "welcome to the 21st century wiring" AVS board <---- Quote of the day
post #302 of 1056
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Picked up a 60U50 today from walmart for $898
Pretty happy with it so far, just needs to get my Onkyo receiver in so I have enough HDMI inputs

Have you calibrated yet? What receiver are you going with?
post #303 of 1056
I got a U54 from Costco about a week ago. So far it's pretty good. Has anyone hooked it up to a PC? I tried it out on my ATI HD5870 at 1920x1080 and there is a 1/2 inch black border around the desktop. I can't figure out how to get rid of it. The PC is outputting 1920x1080 and the TV should be the same right?

The border doesn't bug me that much but I'm afraid if I use it the border will create an IR issue. Any ideas how to fix this?
post #304 of 1056
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Originally Posted by hodgi View Post

I got a U54 from Costco about a week ago. So far it's pretty good. Has anyone hooked it up to a PC? I tried it out on my ATI HD5870 at 1920x1080 and there is a 1/2 inch black border around the desktop. I can't figure out how to get rid of it. The PC is outputting 1920x1080 and the TV should be the same right?
The border doesn't bug me that much but I'm afraid if I use it the border will create an IR issue. Any ideas how to fix this?

I haven't tried hooking up a pc to a tv yet but the responses suggest going into the ATI properties and turning on overscan then adjusting it up a bit. It seems nvidia and ati default these to underscan a bit. There's and adjustment on the tv called hdsize1 you could try. The ST had this not sure of the U series.
post #305 of 1056
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Originally Posted by whipit View Post

I haven't tried hooking up a pc to a tv yet but the responses suggest going into the ATI properties and turning on overscan then adjusting it up a bit. It seems nvidia and ati default these to underscan a bit. There's and adjustment on the tv called hdsize1 you could try. The ST had this not sure of the U series.

Thanks. When I first looked I couldn't find overscan settings but I found them and fixed it.

Is there an explanation of all the u54 settings? Like why I'd want to set menu items to a particular value ie noise reduction, content type, hdmi/dvi rgb range etc. The u54 manual does not go into any detail about why or when you should set some value in the menu. Also any tips on how to set my ATI video card settings for using the U54 as an htpc monitor. For example there are settings for color pixel format. Options are ycbcr 4:4:4 or 4:2:2 or RGB 4:4:4 in limited RGB or full. I have no idea what to set any of these at.
post #306 of 1056
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Originally Posted by PathofNeo View Post

The U50 doesn't share the same new 'fast phosphor throw' as the others so with that said they could potentially have worse motion. The UT has outstanding motion performance, even rivaling last last year's high end model IMO. How much does this weight in on your purchase is up to you, but it's definitely excellent bang for your buck. I personally wouldn't skip out on 3D (now) and and faster panel so I thought the UT50 was worth it. Plus they calibrate extremely well for the price you pay as can be seen in the settings thread.
I don't think you can go wrong either way.

I am leaning towards getting a new tv soon, and have found my way to Panny plasma tvs. At the stores 55" seemed to be a sweet spot for me, so that could bump me to the 55UT. But I just got done reading this thread, as possibly I could be interested in the 60U, as I am just interested in a 2d tv. I would use the tv for sports, cable, movies and I play more xbox than I should, so gaming would most likely be pretty important to me.

Gaming issues would most likely only be crystal clear to me only after having tried out myself. One worry I have is just jumping up to a larger size as I currently use a 37", and am looking at these larger sizes. Lately I have been playing BF3 mainly.

I was interested in several quotes throughout this thread, but particularly the one I quoted here. So my question is:

What sources would "motion performance" effect? Sports? Movies? Cable? Xbox? All?

Thanks in advance.
post #307 of 1056
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Originally Posted by WaveBoy View Post

So does having the same black levels apply to the Panny X5? and is there a difference between the new 2500 Focused field drive for the UT series
in comparison to the older 600 field drive? Or is it just marketing bs? While plasma is 'close', CRT is still the king of motion handeling
PLUS they don't produce any of that nasty dithering effect.

Went to Costco last night, and was thinking of picking up the U54. They were playing National Treasure on it, and from about 6-8 feet away I could notice what seemed like pretty bad noise on faces. I thought maybe they were playing a SD DVD connected with a bad composite video cable. On closer inspection, it looked very much like temporal dithering, and it was a BD hooked up directly with HDMI. I swapped the disk with the neighboring Vizio LCD playing Cars, to make sure it wasn’t a bad encode or crazy film grain (I’ve never seen National Treasure, but because of my son I probably know every shot of Cars!). Not as bad on medium bright colors, but still very noticeable in night sky scenes. Of course now I was looking at a 50” from about one or two feet away.

I’ve never had anything but CRT at home, and this was going to be my first flat panel. I’m pretty picky about monitors, so I only use IPS on my work and home computers, or CRT monitors via SDI when editing videos. The last time I worked with plasma was this summer with a Panasonic TH-50BT300U on a live broadcast, and I didn’t see any dithering with that. Though, for 6x the cost, I guess it would be a bit better :-)

I have to admit, I really don’t know much about PDP tech, and so this degree of dithering was rather surprising for me. I liked the idea of the SD card slot as a quick preview for looking at photos from a camera, but I’m wondering how they’ll look. Do you get used to the dithering?
post #308 of 1056
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Originally Posted by mushusker View Post

Went to Costco last night, and was thinking of picking up the U54. They were playing National Treasure on it, and from about 6-8 feet away I could notice what seemed like pretty bad noise on faces. I thought maybe they were playing a SD DVD connected with a bad composite video cable. On closer inspection, it looked very much like temporal dithering, and it was a BD hooked up directly with HDMI. I swapped the disk with the neighboring Vizio LCD playing Cars, to make sure it wasn’t a bad encode or crazy film grain (I’ve never seen National Treasure, but because of my son I probably know every shot of Cars!). Not as bad on medium bright colors, but still very noticeable in night sky scenes. Of course now I was looking at a 50” from about one or two feet away.
I’ve never had anything but CRT at home, and this was going to be my first flat panel. I’m pretty picky about monitors, so I only use IPS on my work and home computers, or CRT monitors via SDI when editing videos. The last time I worked with plasma was this summer with a Panasonic TH-50BT300U on a live broadcast, and I didn’t see any dithering with that. Though, for 6x the cost, I guess it would be a bit better :-)
I have to admit, I really don’t know much about PDP tech, and so this degree of dithering was rather surprising for me. I liked the idea of the SD card slot as a quick preview for looking at photos from a camera, but I’m wondering how they’ll look. Do you get used to the dithering?

99% sure the panel was set to some sort of vivid setting that you would never use in your home.

I know my 2008 Panasonic plasma had really bad noise on the super bright setting they use in the stores. My Samsung also has very bad noise when using the ultra bright setting.

Making a judgement about a TV in a bright environment like Costco is probably the worst thing you could do.
post #309 of 1056
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Originally Posted by JMUdukes07 View Post

99% sure the panel was set to some sort of vivid setting that you would never use in your home.
I know my 2008 Panasonic plasma had really bad noise on the super bright setting they use in the stores. My Samsung also has very bad noise when using the ultra bright setting.
Making a judgement about a TV in a bright environment like Costco is probably the worst thing you could do.

Makes sense. I never would have expected to judge black levels or contrast there. I guess I was surprised to see how much dithering plasmas could have. Just wanted to make sure that those who have brought them home and adjusted/calibrated them don't see it in normal viewing.

I am still considering LCD though, because this is mostly for the wife & kids during the day. At night, I use the calibrated PJ. It's just that I can't stand bad picture, so the CRT I had for normal viewing kept us all happy.
post #310 of 1056
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Originally Posted by mushusker View Post

Makes sense. I never would have expected to judge black levels or contrast there. I guess I was surprised to see how much dithering plasmas could have. Just wanted to make sure that those who have brought them home and adjusted/calibrated them don't see it in normal viewing.

I was surprised as well, but it didn't look like dithering to me, rather it seemed to be pixel crawl, as the pixels were moving in still images. In fact, this is a side-effect of the standard picture mode; switching to Movie (or any other) mode gets rid of it.

My guess is that this mode reduces IR and increases the claimed phosphor life (since it's the default). Of course, nobody actually uses it like this when they get home, but it is discouraging when seen in retail. Cynically, it may have the side effect of making people choose higher-end (more profitable) screens.
post #311 of 1056
As a Costco employee myself, I'd love to say we tweak every TV so it looks its very best....

But frankly, things are so chaotic in the mornings, it's a miracle we even get 'em all turned on every day! biggrin.gif

But seriously, yes it's on Vivid. Otherwise everyone would buy the Samsung LED next to it (brightness sells).

It'll look a HELL of a lot better once you get it home and tweak it (or at least put it on Cinema).
post #312 of 1056
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Originally Posted by Jbrown7815 View Post

Picked up a 60U50 today from walmart for $898
Pretty happy with it so far, just needs to get my Onkyo receiver in so I have enough HDMI inputs

Could you post some pics? Hows the reflections/washout during the day?
post #313 of 1056
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Originally Posted by StinDaWg View Post

Could you post some pics? Hows the reflections/washout during the day?

I'm considering picking up the U50 from Walmart as well. I have the same question: how does this panel look during the daytime? I'd like to get a plasma, but I have 2 skylights in my living room and I'm afraid they might be an issue.
post #314 of 1056
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Originally Posted by robfilms View Post

i just bought a u54 from my local costco for $599 + tax.
this is my first non-crt television.
i plan on reading the 10 pages before this posting and develop some form of a plan.
i must admit, though thrilled, i'm a wee bit overwhelmed.
the last time i bought a new tee vee was in 1987-a 20" panasonic!
i unboxed it and plugged it in.
embarrassing to be near four decades behind the curve.
ymmv.
be well.
rob

so i have not even unboxed the u54.

i just finished reading this entire thread and the entire ut50 thread.

i'm exhausted and my head is swimming.

it is lovely outside so i'm going for an hour motorcycle ride.

but i want to start the set-up this afternoon.

i do not have blu-ray or xbox.

i do have a dvd player and a mac.

so i'm wondering what images i can use to assist in the 100hrs break in.

thoughts?

is there some downloadable piece of full screen media that i can run?

i've read where folks have mentioned slides but i don't know where i can find these "slides".

and how will the "slides" run continuously on the u54?

any and all info anyone cares to share is greatly appreciated.

be well.

rob
post #315 of 1056
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Originally Posted by robfilms View Post

so i have not even unboxed the u54.
i just finished reading this entire thread and the entire ut50 thread.
i'm exhausted and my head is swimming.
it is lovely outside so i'm going for an hour motorcycle ride.
but i want to start the set-up this afternoon.
i do not have blu-ray or xbox.
i do have a dvd player and a mac.
so i'm wondering what images i can use to assist in the 100hrs break in.
thoughts?
is there some downloadable piece of full screen media that i can run?
i've read where folks have mentioned slides but i don't know where i can find these "slides".
and how will the "slides" run continuously on the u54?
any and all info anyone cares to share is greatly appreciated.
be well.
rob

Here's a post I made earlier addressing similar questions. Slides included. Once you start the media player make your settings since the settings are different for each input including the media player. I'm under the impression you need to up the contrast when running the slides to age the panel quicker.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1433674/newbie-question#post_22489202
post #316 of 1056
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Originally Posted by whipit View Post

Here's a post I made earlier addressing similar questions. Slides included. Once you start the media player make your settings since the settings are different for each input including the media player. I'm under the impression you need to up the contrast when running the slides to age the panel quicker.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1433674/newbie-question#post_22489202

whipit-

thank you for the link.

i apologize for the newbie tone of my questions:

if i put the slides on a usb thumb drive or sd card and insert them into the appropriate slot on the pannie u54, how do i change the slides?

do i play the jpgs in "slideshow" mode or some version of that?

and i take it from your supplied link you think the use of slides or even an accelerated breakin period is a foolish waste of the hours the u54 can render quality images?

again, thanks in advance for any info you (or anyone) cares to share.

be well.

rob
post #317 of 1056
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Originally Posted by robfilms View Post

whipit-
thank you for the link.
i apologize for the newbie tone of my questions:
if i put the slides on a usb thumb drive or sd card and insert them into the appropriate slot on the pannie u54, how do i change the slides?
do i play the jpgs in "slideshow" mode or some version of that?
and i take it from your supplied link you think the use of slides or even an accelerated breakin period is a foolish waste of the hours the u54 can render quality images?
again, thanks in advance for any info you (or anyone) cares to share.
be well.
rob

You are welcome, no need to apologize, we are just trying to inform so you can decide what method you want to use. Either is very acceptable. Entirely up to you. I'm not hiring a calibrator and will just let the panel settle in on it's own.

You first go into settings and turn off eco>auto turn off feature. Then insert the drive and in viera tools start a slideshow. Then change the interval to slow or whatever allows for around 20 seconds per slide. Then adjust your contrast.

If you go to high def junkies dot com and join you can access D-Nice's settings thread for some specific info in the 2012 thread.
post #318 of 1056
Just picked mine up last week; Great TV for the price at Costco! Thanks to all for the info on this unit, and suggested settings.
post #319 of 1056
I just wanted to pass along an observation. I picked up my P60U50 last night at Walmart(actually second one,
as the first had a broken screen), and noticed that the bezel on mine has the thinner crystal edged bezel that
is on the UT. Nice surprise, as it looks a little classier. As an aside, coming from a TH-50PX80U, I am amazed
at the black levels. Very impressive.
post #320 of 1056
I have had my U54 from costco for over 3 months. NO COMPLAINTS! Great picture and no banding, dithering, green, noise, blah blah blah. Anyone buying a U54 your getting a solid TV comparable to last years VT30 in regards to picture quality.

If you have a room with bright lights or sky lights get a LCD/LED.

Congratulations U54 owners, this TV is a steal for $599 at costco.
post #321 of 1056
What do you call the fuzzy static that appears in some films? I was just watching Dr. Strangelove on my U54 and in many of the shots with sky or other gray tones there appears to be a lot of static. It's a little distracting. Is there a way to mitigate it? Is this unique to plasmas?
post #322 of 1056
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Originally Posted by hodgi View Post

What do you call the fuzzy static that appears in some films? I was just watching Dr. Strangelove on my U54 and in many of the shots with sky or other gray tones there appears to be a lot of static. It's a little distracting. Is there a way to mitigate it? Is this unique to plasmas?

That's film grain and should absolutely be there.
post #323 of 1056
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Originally Posted by plethoraHD View Post

I got a U54 at Costco almost a month ago, as an "emergency" replacement for a Dell Plasma that died. During that time I've been playing with the settings and modes, primarily because my screen has some DSE/banding taking up most of the right side of the screen and a bit of the left side. It is only really noticeable during sports/grass/dirt panning, and low-to-mid solid backgrounds and games with sunsets (such as Red Dead Redemption).
As for settings, this is what I have observed:
Calibrating my set revealed that Cinema, Custom, and Vivid all look great, but carry enough of a difference so that they are not identical. Also, the HDMI Content Type has no effect in Cinema mode. These are my current settings on each mode after using the TV for a few weeks with Contrast at 78:
Contrast: 83
Brightness: 56 (Cinema), 60 (Custom), and 59 (Vivid) - black levels have no noise/pixel dance
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0
Color Temp: Normal (if I use a Contrast of 90 or higher, then Warm1 is easier on the eyes in a medium-to-darker room)
Color Mgmt: Off
C.A.T.S.: Off
Video NR: Off
Aspect
Screen Format: Full
HD Size: 2
HDMI Settings: Nonstandard, Graphics
Advance Picture
Block NR: Off
Mosquito NR: Off
Black Level: Light
3:2 Pulldown: Auto
Using the AVS slides, the "Misc Patterns - Additional - Color Steps" slide demonstrates on my TV that Cinema preserves the lowest light level above black, where Custom and Vivid blacken the lowest light level above black in favor of making the rest of the image a shade brighter. Also, the "Basic Settings - APL Clipping" contains no blinking black bars when using Custom and Vivid modes.
Now, to my DSE/Banding. It has "grown" in visibility as the TV has broken in, and is most noticeable with the Contrast in the 70-80 range. Cranking the Contrast up to 100 improves this in all modes. But, on a grey background it just about goes away only in Vivid mode. Custom mode displays it slightly more, and Cinema mode displays it the most (especially when using a balanced dark-room contrast of 75-80) - which is unfortunate because I think Cinema overall delivers the best picture on my Cable TV, PS3, and Wii sources. And, I don't necessarily WANT to crank up the Contrast to 100.
There is also some slight IR with this TV, on all modes. The TV Menu's "Menu" has been visible on a few occasions, and I can get some IR to stick when using the Original theme on my PS3, and setting the background to a dark green. Selecting the "Photo Viewer" on the XMB (which displays some Polaroid-type picture images), then going back to a neutral XMB selection like "Turn Off System" will display the edges of these picture images in the dark green background. Also easily seen in this dark green background are the horizontal lines created by line bleed. I can get the IR to disappear by either using the TV's screen wipe, or by watching a few minutes of constantly-changing content on the TV. I think I've seen line bleed in actual viewing programs/movies only once so far, but I'm sure it will probably show up again.
As for the rest of the TV's performance, after almost a month of viewing, the calibrated picture is fantastic during most viewing. On all sources, the Black is really remarkable. The white-level brightness is uniform at each corner, edge, and center. There is no color blobbiness of any kind. Games are very responsive and look wonderful, even sub-HD-rendered games like Red Dead Redemption and Super Mario Galaxy 2. In the majority of viewing and gaming, the DSE/banding is not noticeable to the viewing eye.
But with solid-color dimly-lit backgrounds, my U54 is worse-looking than some of the pictures posted in the UT50 thread and other threads, and worse than any TV or computer monitor I've owned that has been capable of displaying HD-level content. Based on some of the threads I have been reading, receiving a Panasonic Plasma that doesn't exhibit this issue can amount to a "panel lottery" for customers. And given that it could get better or worse over time, and that there are probably some people out there who will never "see" what I or others have experienced (even if it is present on their TV), I don't know if it's a lottery where there are many winners, or few.



PlethoraHD,

Thanks for this post. Lots of good info. I have a question about the banding issue you reported. I have had this set for about a week and I have noticed banding on the right edge of the TV similar to how you describe in your post. I am curious to know if it has continued to get worse or if it remained the same or got better in the months since you first noticed it. I am trying to decide whether or not to exchange the TV or if I should just deal with it. I am curious if anyone else is seeing this problem as well, as it may be common or if it is truly a defect. Thanks in advance for any replies
post #324 of 1056
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Originally Posted by PathofNeo View Post

That's film grain and should absolutely be there.

This isn't just film grain. The static is moving wildly and is very distracting.

I fiddled with settings to see if anything helped like adjusting noise reduction etc. but nothing seemed to help. Where can I go to get an explanation of all the settings and when and why to use a certain setting?
post #325 of 1056
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Originally Posted by hodgi View Post

This isn't just film grain. The static is moving wildly and is very distracting.
I fiddled with settings to see if anything helped like adjusting noise reduction etc. but nothing seemed to help. Where can I go to get an explanation of all the settings and when and why to use a certain setting?

Did you take it out of standard mode and put in custom or cinema? Standard mode adds a lot of grain. Second, check the brightness setting and put it on around 50, it seems 54/56 may cause dithering in dark areas.

You may want to look in the ut50/st50 settings threads and plug in some other users settings to see what happens.
post #326 of 1056
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Originally Posted by whipit View Post

Did you take it out of standard mode and put in custom or cinema? Standard mode adds a lot of grain. Second, check the brightness setting and put it on around 50, it seems 54/56 may cause dithering in dark areas.
You may want to look in the ut50/st50 settings threads and plug in some other users settings to see what happens.

I put it in cinema the moment I got it. Standard was garbage. Brightness is on 55. The problem is in mid tone areas, not dark.
post #327 of 1056
You said you noticed it while watching Dr. Strangelove. Film grain is more obvious with older films so that's why I assumed it was that. All noise reduction settings should be turned off! Give my new cinema settings a shot and see what you think.. it's on page 4 or 5 of the UT50 Settings Thread.
post #328 of 1056
Hi, first post on here after reading a lot and though you guys could help me out. My 2005 Sony 51" just crapped out and now I am in the market for a new, economical tv and came across this one. I am not sure if is right for what I am looking for. What are your thoughts?

My family:
- mostly watches kids cartoon movies (Disney, Pixar, etc) or old-school cartoons (Smurfs, Gummi Bears, He-man, etc)
- sometimes the wife and I watch a thriller, comedy, etc. from an up-converting DVD player
- we watch downloaded shows on our computer. If I could hook it up to the tv that would be a bonus!

- the tv is in a fairly bright room with windows that don't have blinds; light blue walls and a white carpet
- one longer couch is in front of the tv but another couch is off to the side and the views sees the tv from an approx 45degree angle

Thanks for your help and recommendations!
(I am not going to spend $350 to repair our old tv, no matter how much we liked it)

PS - costco still has this tv on for $599 for one more week!
post #329 of 1056
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Originally Posted by HoomHow View Post

Hi, first post on here after reading a lot and though you guys could help me out. My 2005 Sony 51" just crapped out and now I am in the market for a new, economical tv and came across this one. I am not sure if is right for what I am looking for. What are your thoughts?
My family:
- mostly watches kids cartoon movies (Disney, Pixar, etc) or old-school cartoons (Smurfs, Gummi Bears, He-man, etc)
- sometimes the wife and I watch a thriller, comedy, etc. from an up-converting DVD player
- we watch downloaded shows on our computer. If I could hook it up to the tv that would be a bonus!
- the tv is in a fairly bright room with windows that don't have blinds; light blue walls and a white carpet
- one longer couch is in front of the tv but another couch is off to the side and the views sees the tv from an approx 45degree angle
Thanks for your help and recommendations!
(I am not going to spend $350 to repair our old tv, no matter how much we liked it)
PS - costco still has this tv on for $599 for one more week!

I'm using mine in a room with no sunlight and the dim lights and computer monitor reflections are quite noticeable. If I'm going to sit down and focus all my attention on a movie I turn off all lights except for one behind the TV. Using this in a room with no shades would probably be very distracting at best and unwatchable at worst.

Edit: I'll add that sometimes it depends on what you're watching. Bright content will not be nearly as adversely affected as darker.
Edited by hodgi - 10/29/12 at 3:43pm
post #330 of 1056
I've got 500 plus hours on my tv never had a problem until today, I watched good day Sacramento for about hour and a half and got the worst burn in I have ever seen I've run the on brightest setting for 2 hours and the logo is still there I'm pissed
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