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post #121 of 2130
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Originally Posted by rmongiovi View Post

I couldn't find anything except your CIE chart for RGB, which wasn't my issue. It's the luminance that couldn't be fixed with only the color control operational. With YCbCr all the colors were either too bright or too dim so raising or lowering them all worked. With RGB some were too bright and some were too dim so what made some colors better made others worse (and verse visa).

I didn't have any major luminance problems for single points, be it 75% or 100%. I'm 99% sure we'll need the CMS luminance controls to get the VT50 working inside the color space the U-verse boxes use. The color space is not the same as RGB 4:4:4 from DVD/BR player. I can see it's far off visually using my color calibration from a RGB 4:4:4 source frown.gif

I also didn't do a test tracking luminance. I need to do that.
post #122 of 2130
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Originally Posted by WiFi-Spy View Post

Sometimes you might need to fine tune 10IRE by eye in a completely dark room.

The problem with the 10% IRE is getting it down (Y) to a respectable light level using my I1Pro meter. So in my case I have np with getting the 10%IRE to a good gray level (x/y), so I use it to get RGB even, and there by setup for 20% IRE and above. I probably would have a easier time with 10% IRE if I used Green and dropped green way down, but I don't like using Green in my gray scale.

ss
post #123 of 2130
What is the best calibration way that user can do it at home?

i just got my VT50 and i tried different preset but i dont know which setting is the best and how to confirm it is almost perfect?

and there is any way to get the PAnasonic software for checking?

any good tool for calibration for regular users?
post #124 of 2130
You can start here if you like: http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration
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Originally Posted by alz3abi View Post

What is the best calibration way that user can do it at home?
i just got my VT50 and i tried different preset but i dont know which setting is the best and how to confirm it is almost perfect?
and there is any way to get the PAnasonic software for checking?
any good tool for calibration for regular users?
post #125 of 2130
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Originally Posted by wmwilker View Post


I must say I haven't watched many good (IMO) movies lately
. I enjoyed Take Shelter last week but most have been crap. I'll usually watch parts of Casino Royale, Dark Knight and the new Underworld (bad movie but it is what it is. Great dark scenes). I'll also watch cable as that is on for the most part. If I see problems then when I get free time I'll jump into a calibration session. I'm still not happy with the yellow and it does show a little, I think. If I know there is a problem with the calibration I usually pick the picture apart until I re-calibrate. My OCD makes for some poor viewing habits.

Try The Fall. beautiful movie with lots of expansive landscape, sand and desert. It may help with that yellow problem.
post #126 of 2130
Would someone be able to help me with these settings in Custom mode?

Black extension setting?

Gamma adjustment setting?

Contour emphasis setting?

AGC setting?

1080p pure direct setting?

Thanks
post #127 of 2130
If you're just looking for some settings to try then take a look at the first link under SillySally's post or try Cnet's located here: http://forums.cnet.com/7723-19410_102-564711/panasonic-tc-p65vt50-picture-settings/?tag=StickyWin_1338818924521;createThreadPopup
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Originally Posted by jabberjaw99 View Post

Would someone be able to help me with these settings in Custom mode?
Black extension setting?
Gamma adjustment setting?
Contour emphasis setting?
AGC setting?
1080p pure direct setting?
Thanks
post #128 of 2130
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

If you're just looking for some settings to try then take a look at the first link under SillySally's post or try Cnet's located here: http://forums.cnet.com/7723-19410_102-564711/panasonic-tc-p65vt50-picture-settings/?tag=StickyWin_1338818924521;createThreadPopup

I just noticed something about the CNET setting- his color space is *normal*! How in the hell was he able to calibrate anything without starting with Warm 2? The high/low 2pt controls aren't touched much either.
post #129 of 2130
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Originally Posted by Tempest261 View Post

I just noticed something about the CNET setting- his color space is *normal*! How in the hell was he able to calibrate anything without starting with Warm 2? The high/low 2pt controls aren't touched much either.

I've tried his settings on other TVs before and I have never kept them. I told you before that he doesn't hold that much weight with me. I sure wish David MacKennzie would move this way and review for CNet.
post #130 of 2130
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Originally Posted by Tempest261 View Post

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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

If you're just looking for some settings to try then take a look at the first link under SillySally's post or try Cnet's located here: http://forums.cnet.com/7723-19410_102-564711/panasonic-tc-p65vt50-picture-settings/?tag=StickyWin_1338818924521;createThreadPopup

I just noticed something about the CNET setting- his color space is *normal*! How in the hell was he able to calibrate anything without starting with Warm 2? The high/low 2pt controls aren't touched much either.
Colorspace of Normal is correct. Why wouldn't you use that if aiming for Rec709? It is not mandated that Warm2 has to be used as the starting point for a calibration. It could easily be done with any of the other color temp settings smile.gif


Now the color setting of 50 is a concern as flesh tones would be too rosey.
Edited by D-Nice - 6/18/12 at 9:06pm
post #131 of 2130
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

If you're just looking for some settings to try then take a look at the first link under SillySally's post or try Cnet's located here: http://forums.cnet.com/7723-19410_102-564711/panasonic-tc-p65vt50-picture-settings/?tag=StickyWin_1338818924521;createThreadPopup

I will be updating those settings soon. I have been working with Calman (latest version) doing ISF night/day and a lot of combos (2.2,2.4 gamma target, Warm 2 and 1, screen brightness low, natural) calibrations, so for many those settings are of no value because of accessing ISF mode.

Having been spoiled by my 3 Kuro's black level, night settings imo are the closest setting to Kuros blacks. But as D-Nice pointed out it still is about 2 or 3 brightness clicks above the black levels of a Kuro (so to speak).

However I don't want to come off sounding like I don't like my 65VT50 because I do, and in most other ways I like my VT50 better than my 141 Kuro 9G. imo the "9G" Kuro is better than the "8G" Kuro's.

ss
post #132 of 2130
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Originally Posted by Tempest261 View Post

I just noticed something about the CNET setting- his color space is *normal*! How in the hell was he able to calibrate anything without starting with Warm 2? The high/low 2pt controls aren't touched much either.

I have tried color space normal, and yes It does work as D-Nice pointed out, but imo not as well as warm 2.
If you use the Green +/- (I don't use green), you get away for the most part from using " high/low 2pt controls".

ss
post #133 of 2130
Warm 2 looked best when I first plugged in my 65VT50 but after a few hours of panel prep slides and TV viewing, it is now too red.
post #134 of 2130
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Warm 2 looked best when I first plugged in my 65VT50 but after a few hours of panel prep slides and TV viewing, it is now too red.

I was talking about doing a ISF calibration and using warm 2, not suggesting it is the best to use for non calibrated settings.

ss
post #135 of 2130
How do you create these custom picture profiles/viewing modes?
Isfccc is ON... I got Professional 1 and Professional 2 profiles in the viewing mode list..

But for instance. My contrast only goes up to 60. You guys have some values thats too high for my set.. Cant go that high.. And some of the setting options are not availible anywhere on My 65vt50.

Some help would be much appreciated.
Do i ned to create à custom profile somehow? Step-by-Step on how to do this?

Tnx in advance
post #136 of 2130
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Originally Posted by Jejje View Post

How do you create these custom picture profiles/viewing modes?
Isfccc is ON... I got Professional 1 and Professional 2 profiles in the viewing mode list..
But for instance. My contrast only goes up to 60. You guys have some values thats too high for my set.. Cant go that high.. And some of the setting options are not availible anywhere on My 65vt50.
Some help would be much appreciated.
Do i ned to create à custom profile somehow? Step-by-Step on how to do this?
Tnx in advance

Where are you located? I think it's mostly NA people in this thread. We have a different control panel vs the rest of the world.
post #137 of 2130
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Originally Posted by Tempest261 View Post

Where are you located? I think it's mostly NA people in this thread. We have a different control panel vs the rest of the world.

Im located in Sweden.. So i have a Nordic version (Y)
65vt50y
So then i guess thats it then..

Are our screens capped you think? Or is my contrast=60(Max) same as north american max contrast setting?

And also im missing alot of settings compared to you guys frown.gif
post #138 of 2130
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Originally Posted by Jejje View Post

Im located in Sweden.. So i have a Nordic version (Y)
65vt50y
So then i guess thats it then..
Are our screens capped you think? Or is my contrast=60(Max) same as north american max contrast setting?
And also im missing alot of settings compared to you guys frown.gif

Try Avfourms. wink.gif
post #139 of 2130
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

I will be updating those settings soon. I have been working with Calman (latest version) doing ISF night/day and a lot of combos (2.2,2.4 gamma target, Warm 2 and 1, screen brightness low, natural) calibrations, so for many those settings are of no value because of accessing ISF mode.
Having been spoiled by my 3 Kuro's black level, night settings imo are the closest setting to Kuros blacks. But as D-Nice pointed out it still is about 2 or 3 brightness clicks above the black levels of a Kuro (so to speak).
However I don't want to come off sounding like I don't like my 65VT50 because I do, and in most other ways I like my VT50 better than my 141 Kuro 9G. imo the "9G" Kuro is better than the "8G" Kuro's.
ss

I hear ya.
post #140 of 2130
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Originally Posted by billharris4 View Post

Guys, is anyone using the Disney WOW disc for basic calibration? I did some basic adjustments last night, and everything went well except for the advanced contrast test, which uses a white checkerboard pattern (also star patterns above and below). Supposedly, you adjust the contrast so that the elements labeled "ideal white" in the pattern look like white snow. But it seemed like no matter how I changed the contrast, the look of that test pattern didn't really change. Is anyone else having better luck with this? Thanks very much.

I had the same issue with mine. I made sure the brightness was correct and just set contrast to 85.

What are most of you guys setting your sharpness at ?
post #141 of 2130
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Originally Posted by pavelbure View Post

I had the same issue with mine. I made sure the brightness was correct and just set contrast to 85.
What are most of you guys setting your sharpness at ?

Sharpness should always be at 0. It's kind of a misnomer- you'll technically get a sharper picture with it set to 0.
post #142 of 2130
I just got my 65VT50 yesterday and have been just enjoying some "mixed" content as others say around here. Now I don't have any hardware for calibration yet, I've always done it by eye with either the 709 disc and Disney's WOW. Now I've been reading up on ISF calibration and have noticed it mentioned here a couple of times. Why do most people recommend moving the white balance to the warmer shades? I've tried this on both of my TV's and always ended up feeling that the whites just end up with a yellower hint. Is this simply because it gets better calibrated out with ISF vs. my eyeball, or is that yellow hint expected? Its just one of those fairly common suggestions that always had me confused. Thanks!

Dan

p.s. thanks for all the good info, its a whole new world to learn on these forums.
post #143 of 2130
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Originally Posted by turbo_dan View Post

I just got my 65VT50 yesterday and have been just enjoying some "mixed" content as others say around here. Now I don't have any hardware for calibration yet, I've always done it by eye with either the 709 disc and Disney's WOW. Now I've been reading up on ISF calibration and have noticed it mentioned here a couple of times. Why do most people recommend moving the white balance to the warmer shades? I've tried this on both of my TV's and always ended up feeling that the whites just end up with a yellower hint. Is this simply because it gets better calibrated out with ISF vs. my eyeball, or is that yellow hint expected? Its just one of those fairly common suggestions that always had me confused. Thanks!
Dan
p.s. thanks for all the good info, its a whole new world to learn on these forums.

Calibrators usually start off with Warm1 or Warm2 because it gets you closer to the target Rec 709 HD spec. Not sure that I would do it without the ability to calibrate the white balance though. Until you calibrate, I would just use whatever looks good to your eye for now.

If you DO want to start DIY calibrating, stick around- these guys are really helpful.
post #144 of 2130
Tempest, hows the swap going?
post #145 of 2130
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Originally Posted by pavelbure View Post

I had the same issue with mine. I made sure the brightness was correct and just set contrast to 85.
What are most of you guys setting your sharpness at ?

Thanks--good to know I'm not crazy. Well, about this, anyway.
post #146 of 2130
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

Tempest, hows the swap going?

It's going okay. I just now today was told that Panasonic is going to replace the panel. I'm grateful I guess, but it took a bit longer than I expected. It sounds like they were definitely on the fence about replacing it for a dead pixel- I got multiple calls about "how far away are you from the TV when you see it?" and "where is it located?"

To anyone else looking to replace a panel for a dead pixel, if you can still return it for a swap, do it. I went this route because I had to borrow my friend and his truck (he lives far away) to pick it up from the store originally, and he was so cool about it that I didn't want to have to ask him to do it again. Lesson learned: wait for it to go on sale for Amazon (or buy a vehicle big enough to hold a 65" plasma TV smile.gif) and have them handle the shipping/returns. Good news is that they did decide to replace the panel though!

My i1 Pro 2 isn't here yet anyway (sounds like SpectraCal was back-ordered), so it's not a big loss. I'll be getting some more calibration results soon enough (I promised Turbe at least a month ago!) once I get this new panel and meter.
post #147 of 2130
Well I hope that they get that panel swapped out real soon.
post #148 of 2130
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Originally Posted by turbo_dan View Post

I just got my 65VT50 yesterday and have been just enjoying some "mixed" content as others say around here. Now I don't have any hardware for calibration yet, I've always done it by eye with either the 709 disc and Disney's WOW. Now I've been reading up on ISF calibration and have noticed it mentioned here a couple of times. Why do most people recommend moving the white balance to the warmer shades? I've tried this on both of my TV's and always ended up feeling that the whites just end up with a yellower hint. Is this simply because it gets better calibrated out with ISF vs. my eyeball, or is that yellow hint expected? Its just one of those fairly common suggestions that always had me confused. Thanks!
Dan
p.s. thanks for all the good info, its a whole new world to learn on these forums.

Using warm 2 color temp in ISF modes you shouldn't expect yellow tint, as long as you setup the CMS settings correctly.

The biggest reason why I say warm 2 color temp mode, is for us DIY calibrators. Warm 2 is the closest mode to D65 color temp, should come in around D62, as were the other temp modes should come in around (warm 1) D70 and higher with the other modes . However for a really good pro calibrator that isn't hung up on showing there client great looking grafts but rather spot on numbers, warm 1 or neutral should be NP. Of course both spot on numbers and grafts are even more reassuring. cool.gif

ss
post #149 of 2130
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

Try Avfourms. wink.gif

Lol, i always thought these forums were the same. I thought it just had a major redesign of the layout. Is the avforums more suitable for european models? Why is the name so similar? I also have the Y version and noticed that the settings are quite different, also located in sweden.
post #150 of 2130
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Originally Posted by humix View Post

Lol, i always thought these forums were the same. I thought it just had a major redesign of the layout. Is the avforums more suitable for european models? Why is the name so similar? I also have the Y version and noticed that the settings are quite different, also located in sweden.

Two different forums, I believe that AVforumns is UK based. Few of us here know very much beyond the very basic differences in EU and NA models. The quirks of the tvs are often news to most of us too.
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