The Official Panasonic VT50 Settings Thread - Page 42

I haven't unlocked the ISF modes yet
He says to enter each into custom, I only see one custom slot

How does my unit know to switch to THOSE settings when 3d is detected?

they can be entered into a ISFccc memory, I suggest isf Night.

There are two "slots" or rather memories for Custom, 2D Custom and 3D Custom.. If you input a 3D signal or enable 2D-->3D conversion, you will be using 3D Custom on that Input.. same with the ISFccc memories but you have 2D isf Night, 3D isf Night and 2D isf Day and 3D isf Night.. See Procedure #5b and/or #3 in my Instructions I emailed you.

Good detective work here! Single.

But I have a kind of related issue with my Samsung 22" LCD in the kitchen, which has a 1080p native display mode. I feed it through a DVR as well. If I'm watching a 1080i channel (with 1080i out of the DVR), the picture looks excellent (being processed by the Samsung for display in its native 1080p). And if I am watching a 720p channel (with 720p out of the DVR) the picture also looks quite good (not as bright/sharp as with 1080i, but still pretty good) again processed for display in native 1080p.

But if I'm watching a 720p channel and forget to change the DVR from its previous 1080i, then that 720p is interlaced/converted to 1080i in the DVR, and then the deinterlaced/converted/processed to 1080p in the Samsung... and it looks like fake 24p-like MTV video music awards show. In other words live 720p sports events on FOX, ESPN, ABC, now look like cheap MPG videos artificially processed to look "artistic" on your computer.

Granted, the Samsung 22" probably doesn't have the greatest electronics in it (like my 65VT50 does, to produce a much better result at its native 1080p display resolution). But the problem really is the fact that going from 720p through an interlaced 1080i set of conversions, followed by a reversing set deinterlacing to 1080p... that's what is producing the visual artifact effect I see.

If I simply send 720p direct to the Samsung, the processing by the Samsung direct to 1080p looks hugely better.

Same story with your D* setup.

But you're right, I don't have WAF to contend with.

Married here, and my wife has no problem with the delay in channel change, because she almost never changes channels. She only changes to a local station in the morning for news, and otherwise watches recordings from the DVR. With 1TB of drive, she'd have to watch for a few days straight to run out of recorded stuff to watch.

I'm going to scrub this thread and try finding these settings.
Anyone have a link directly to them or a page number?

Several people have mentioned too much red levels on the D-nice released settings for the VT50.

Matt Carlton had D-nice come out to his house and calibrate his TV.

He posted the charts from D-nice's settings available at the ControlCal forum and then the charts from after the calibration. There was a substantial reduction in the red level on the chart from what my limited understanding meant to me.

My thought is that if several of us have too much red from these initial settings, and the other unreleased settings fix that..maybe those settings should be the 'reference'. It is possible that the initial panel used for the released settings is further from the average than many other of us.

I hope D-nice reads this, understands what I am trying to say, and is kind enough to release the file from Matt Carlton's recent VT50 cal.

I think mncs chart actually showed that the non calibrated d nice settings were extremely impressive on his tv even though they weren't created using his specific panel. For better than that you'll have to pay one way or another.

Thanks! Very nice! A few of us are hoping we can get your ISF Night settings from you or D-Nice. I have a calibrated set but I really like to see other calibrations.

No, he actually did have D-Nice come out and calibrate his set. The post-calibration reports are very impressive, both ISF Day & ISF Night.

You would have to ask dnice for the isf night settings, I don't have them. He did load the isf day settings into my custom mode for me to play with.

I know it would be tedious to transcribe all the settings that he put in Custom mode for you, but if you have a chance that would be very cool. I can make any necessary adjustments for night, or just compare them to my ISF Day settings. Thanks!

Yes. What I was trying to say is he had d nice s posted settings in his custom slot. So when dnice came and did the chart of his custom slot it was a very impressive chart given that he didn't actually create those settings specifically for his tv. Typing from the phone so apologies for lack of clarity

Now I see where you are coming from. Since then he has put his ISF Day calibrated settings into the Custom mode, allegedly replacing anything that was there prior.

Since we're talking about calibration on the VT sets, I am looking to buy a new panasonic. Should i get a VT now Or should I just wait for the new ZT? Prices have dropped as we know, and as for myself this will be my first plasma. Maybe just use D-nices' settings and I will be good? Thanks for anyone's input.

Scirica. This is the one. He had the public dnice settings in custom. Very good experiment and kind if shows 1) that calibration settings are significantly better than thx modes ( as our eyes already tell us) and 2) calibration on a panel is significantly better than general calibration settings. That's how I like to see it.

Thanks mnc for such a good experiment.

I think we are talking about two different things. He may indeed have been comparing the public settings to the calibrated ones at some point, but subsequent to that he said DeWayne put his ISF Day settings in his Custom mode so he could "play" with them. Those are the settings I'm interested in since D doesn't share settings from his customer calibrations.

I was only clarifying my original post that you initially disagreed with. I understand you'd like to have him transmit his after calibration settings. Maybe he already has controlcal and just needs to spit out into XML ?

He doesn't, but d-nice put them in his custom mode. Let's end this, it's going nowhere fast

Hey I emailed D-Nice to get permission to post my new Custom settings. I don't want to post them without his permission so I am waiting to hear back.

Just to clear everything, I was using his posted settings in Custom when he came to calibrate my set. He measured those settings as well as the default THX modes. We were both surprised how well his posted settings measured, but there was still a noticeable improvement from his calibration. He then asked me which setting, ISF Day or Night, to put into my Custom mode. I chose ISF Day.

Anyway, just thought it would be interesting to show how well his posted settings measured and how much of an improvement over the THX modes they are. Actually his CMS settings were nearly spot on!

I have no use or desire for them, so this is just pure curiosity. If you paid him for the calibration, they would be your settings and should be able to do as you wish with them, no? You paid for them.

I finally got a chance to use D Nice's posted 3d settings and must say they are the best my 3d has been.

I tried this over the weekend. ABC had oscars and the lakers/mavs game and both were 720p. Time lag is about 2 seconds additional. Picture quality was good. no WAF so far, but then again i didn't tell her. Hopefully she doesn't read these forums...

thanks again for the input.

If you are looking to enter D-Nices 3D (stereo) settings or 2D settings and they are marked as custom settings then use custom mode not ISF mode (day or night).
ISF modes don't have all the settings that custom mode has, so trying to use ISF night or day will only confuse you and not come out right.

If you want to enter D-Nice's 3D custom mode settings, simply press the 3D button on your VT50's remote. That will bring up your VT50's 3D modes, click the menu button page over to custom mode then start entering D-Nice's setting..

After you have the settings entered and play a 3D Blu Ray movie your VT50 should default to 3D (stereo) custom mode and the settings you entered.

If you enter any 3D settings in ISF mode (day/night) after you entered 3D settings in custom mode your VT50 will default to the last mode you entered 3D settings in. However you can switch back to custom mode by paging back to custom mode.

ss.

That's not correct.. ISFccc and Custom have the same calibration controls available on the VT50 (and VT30). Some controls are input global controls (not actually stored in a individual memory) but available to be changed at any time with the remote if necessary.

I am not talking about "Global controls" or settings that are not stored.
Just for starters, please show me were in ISF day/night settings you can input W/B high/low settings.

Simply look at my settings in my sig (VT50) for ISF mode (ISF mode has the same settings for 2D as it does for 3D (stereo) and then look at D-Nice's custom mode settings. My settings show all of the available settings for ISF mode. Now look at the Custom mode settings that are available in the VT50.

imo D-Nice use custom mode for one reason, and that is so if you don't have Controlcal you can easyly enter the settings use you TV's remote.
As I said in my post "ISF night or day will only confuse you and not come out right." if you are trying to input custom settings like D-Nice's 3D settings, use custom mode and don't have controlcal..

However I do see in the latest version of Controlcal that you do have W/B high and low settings, so the with next Cube calibration I will use Controlcal's High and Low settings to see how that works. As you probably know Calman doesn't use those settings for ISF mode.

I will report back on how Controlcals W/B H/L settings work using Calman's LUT cube calibration and a 21 point W/B.

Update. I ran a 3D (stereo) LUT cube calibration using Calman 5.1, Radiance Mini 3D and my VT50. I also used Controlcal W/B H/L settings (Calman doesn't have these settings only W/B (grayscale) up to 21 points).
Keep in mind that these types of 3D (stereo) calibrations are much harder to get right than the 2D calibrations.
Anyway below are the results from this calibration using Controlcal. I ended up with a 5.77FL not bad.


So my point is, if you have a copy of Controlcal you may want to try this for 3D (stereo) calibration.


ss
Edited by sillysally - 2/26/13 at 7:56am

It's been a while since I've used Calman but I do recall that in order to do the two point calibration, you first have to select 2 point in the same menu that you later change to 10 point. You even have an option of using 20/80 or 30/80.

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Edited by JimP - 2/26/13 at 3:54am

Yes Jim you are correct, however I am not talking about % (0-100) with W/B 10 point.

However I did edit that post so as not to cause any confusion.

ss

Update. I sent you a PM explaining.
Edited by sillysally - 2/26/13 at 8:13am

SS,

I'm still confused....but that has nothing to do with calibration.

DirecTv set to native. Pioneer set to pass through.

If I am in a light controlled environment, do I even need separate day/night settings?

What's the proper usage for each?