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Good to see you on here Chad. Looking forward to seeing you here in Texas!
I am looking forward to it too! Thanks for your patience as I get the tour planned.
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Has anyone tried a calibration using a deep color source and if so, how did the settings compare to 8 Bit.

Not asking for a discussion about the merits of deep color.
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Has any one used bb for their calibeation? I figure it free, why not try it? If i dont like it, i can just use my (dnice) setting, or get it pro done. Cant do any harm, right?
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Has any one used bb for their calibeation? I figure it free, why not try it? If i dont like it, i can just use my (dnice) setting, or get it pro done. Cant do any harm, right?
That might depend on which Geek does the work. I doubt if it would be better than D-Nice's settings. If you know enough to stop an incompetent in time, then you would probably be OK, but what have you gained?

I've collected links to several reports about BB calibrations and included them at the top of the second post in the thread that linked in the signature area at the bottom of my post.I don't include them with the other reports because the calibrators are anonymous.
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Originally Posted by smjbh5 View Post

Has any one used bb for their calibeation? I figure it free, why not try it? If i dont like it, i can just use my (dnice) setting, or get it pro done. Cant do any harm, right?

Depends on what changes they make in the sm and whether you can change it back. wink.gif
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Depends on what changes they make in the sm and whether you can change it back. wink.gif

No, it depends on how quickly you tell them to back out of the service menu and pack up. There is no need for them to be in the service menu.
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No, it depends on how quickly you tell them to back out of the service menu and pack up. There is no need for them to be in the service menu.
Right, so theres no need for them to even get into the service menu, theres no harm, right. Im going to ask them whether the are going ti calibrate the 3 isf modes. If not, i wont let them do anything. I have dnice's ref setting on the tv now, but its very similar wi what i ser in thx cinema. No real difference to my eyes.
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Originally Posted by Tempest261 View Post


ISF Day might be giving you issues because the ABL kicks in pretty aggressively when trying to make a bright mode.


I've switched to using APL Small Window patterns to tame the ABL, but the large windows should work too- you'll just wind up with a different gamma.


D-Nice also said that the ABL will induce a color influence, with it being more green when it's kicked in. So in theory, it should be less green when it's at a minimum (brightest white). I've been considering trying to find something in the middle to minimize its visible influence- if you're able to calibrate both ranges of ABL for each IRE under 3 dE, then that would be the ideal case, right?


Perhaps this might require a unique pattern, such as somewhere between the large APL and small APL window patterns.

Has anyone figured out a peak brightness target for bright room viewing that avoids the worst of the green shift in ABL?

If so, what size windows and stimulus were you using.
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Originally Posted by smjbh5 View Post

Right, so theres no need for them to even get into the service menu, theres no harm, right. Im going to ask them whether the are going ti calibrate the 3 isf modes. If not, i wont let them do anything. I have dnice's ref setting on the tv now, but its very similar wi what i ser in thx cinema. No real difference to my eyes.

From my knowledge, they calibrate custom. I wouldn't have them do it. They also are on a time restriction, so usually rushed.
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From my knowledge, they calibrate custom. I wouldn't have them do it. They also are on a time restriction, so usually rushed.

That's a good point. If an accomplished calibrator takes 3 or more hours to do the job right, imagine how inferior a rushed Geek Squad calibration would be!
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How foea dnice's other settings (posted on the forums) compare to his reference settings? I cant check right now, im at disneyland!
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Originally Posted by smjbh5 View Post

How foea dnice's other settings (posted on the forums) compare to his reference settings? I cant check right now, im at disneyland!
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How foea dnice's other settings (posted on the forums) compare to his reference settings? I cant check right now, im at disneyland!

It depends on your TV.
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Dear all,

I purchased the Panasonic vt50 65" tv for my living room a few days ago. I'm watching it from about 13.5 feet away.

- When I watch blu-ray movies, they look amazing.
- When I watch Direct TV's HD programming (HD channels). they look awful.

My current Directv receiver setting has 720 p, 720i, 1080 p, 1080i checked.

With the same AV receiver and Directv setting, the HD programming actually looked a lot better on my old and smaller 2005 50" plasma than my new 2012 65" tv.

- Is that the norm?
- Is there anything I can adjust on the tv setting?
- Is there anything I should adjust on the Directv receiver or AV receiver to make television programming looks better?
- I watch Directv more than Blu-ray movies, Should I return my 65" and get a 60"? Will that help?

Thanks a lot!
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I would ensure that settings are similar. Also check the hdmi input setting (standard and non standard) and see which looks best. Also the jump from 50 to 65 is something like 50 percent more real estate so 50 percent more obvious do flaws in your transmission become. Welcome to the big screen smile.gif
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Originally Posted by sanramon94582 View Post



- When I watch blu-ray movies, they look amazing.
That's the norm and it indicates that your TV is doing a good job.
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- When I watch Direct TV's HD programming (HD channels). they look awful.
Your problem may be the Direct TV box settings.
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My current Directv receiver setting has 720 p, 720i, 1080 p, 1080i checked.
Do you know what that means in detail? My Comcast box lets me select one of three settings -- 1080i (best for any HDTV channel other than ABC, Fox, and ESPN which are broadcast in 1080i), OR 720p (best for ABC, Fox, and ESPN which are broadcast in 720p) OR native. Native would pass through the native resolution 480i (SD), 720p (ABC, Fox, and ESPN, and 1080i (all other HDTV channels) without conversion. My box converts 480i and 720p to 1080i. That means that I get the best possible picture quality for channels that are not SD or 720p.

If it's possible, I would try setting your Direct TV box to 1080i only, and then see how the HDTV channels other than the 720p channels look. If your box is converting everything to 1080p, that might be contributing to the problem.
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With the same AV receiver and Directv setting, the HD programming actually looked a lot better on my old and smaller 2005 50" plasma than my new 2012 65" tv.
Is your Direct TV connected to the AVR with HDMI? Is the AVR connected to the TV with HDMI?
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- Is there anything I can adjust on the tv setting?
Any TV picture quality can be improved with better settings. You haven't mentioned what picture mode you are using. All I can say is that your TV isn't broken since Blu-ray movies look good.
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- Is there anything I should adjust on the Directv receiver
See above.
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or AV receiver to make television programming looks better?
Without knowing which AVR you have our how it's connected, there is no way to tell for sure. Probably not.
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- I watch Directv more than Blu-ray movies, Should I return my 65" and get a 60"? Will that help?
Probably not, but it's very hard for anyone to advise you without seeing what you see or knowing the details of how your your components are connected and what settings you are using.

The rule of thumb is that a TV isn't defective if it performs well with the best possible source material -- Blu-ray in this case. Being 13.5 feet from a 50" screen would make it tough to see much fine detail. You are seeing more detail, good or bad, with a 65" screen.

You might look into the settings that D-Nice has provided for your TV. That's a good idea under any circumstance. They are worth trying.

Maybe someone in this thread who uses Direct TV can help you with settings for it's box.
Edited by htwaits - 3/19/13 at 1:44am
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Id suggest setting the DirecTV to native and the AVR(assuming it has the feature) to scale everything to 1080p. Let the AVR handle the processing, the DirecTV equipment isnt very good in that regard.
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htwaits,

Does it seem that the 65VT50s like 1080p better than other resolutions?
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Is your Direct TV connected to the AVR with HDMI? Is the AVR connected to the TV with HDMI?
Yes, My Directv connects to the AVR with HDMI and AVR connected to the TV with HDMI.

I'm currently using an old Denon 2809CI that I don't think it upscales. I have a another receiver, Pioneer Elite vsx 53, which I'm gonna try that next.
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

htwaits,

Does it seem that the 65VT50s like 1080p better than other resolutions?
I can't speak with any direct knowledge of the up-conversion capabilities in VT50 displays, but that would be my guess for all 1080p displays. My guess would also be that STB builders do the worst job with up-conversion. By up-conversion I mean the deinterlacing of 480i and 1080i to progressive. I also mean the scaling of 480p and 720p to 1080p.

I know I like the output of OPPO players for Blu-ray and DVD movies. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by sanramon94582 View Post

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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Is your Direct TV connected to the AVR with HDMI? Is the AVR connected to the TV with HDMI?
Yes, My Directv connects to the AVR with HDMI and AVR connected to the TV with HDMI.

I'm currently using an old Denon 2809CI that I don't think it upscales. I have a another receiver, Pioneer Elite vsx 53, which I'm gonna try that next.
Try to find out what your Direct TV boxes options are doing. I suggested setting it to 1080i output because that would mean that it was doing nothing for any HDTV channel that isn't Fox, ABC, and ESPN. That would give you a chance to see what your V50 is handling deinterlacing 1080i. You could also test with a TV sourced Blu-ray like the high quality 1080i "Planet Earth", or "Life". You need a Blu-ray player to output "native" resolutions for that test to work.
Edited by htwaits - 3/19/13 at 10:59am
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Originally Posted by jconjason View Post

Id suggest setting the DirecTV to native and the AVR(assuming it has the feature) to scale everything to 1080p. Let the AVR handle the processing, the DirecTV equipment isnt very good in that regard.
I would not set the D* box on constant fixed 1080i. Though it's obviously a PITA I would manually change it to 720p when watching 720p programs, or 1080i when watching 1080i programs, or more ideally just set it to "native" if that option exists.

Theoretically, feeding "native" 720p or 1080i and letting the VT50 do its own processing for display at its own native 1080p resolution will probably give you the best results, although it's possible the 720p/1080i from D* is not that great when compared to true native 1080p from BluRay. I think this is intuitive.

My own "solution" (I have Time Warner Cable) is to go with an Oppo BDP-103 player, which has two external HDMI inputs (for feeding in things just like your D* receiver or my TWC DVR). The Oppo has built-in Marvell QDEO video processing to "clean up" video, and the Oppo can also upconvert to 1080p. The net result is ASTONISHINGLY TERRIFIC picture quality from TWC/LA programming delivered in 1080p to my 65VT50 passing through the Oppo as a "video processor".

For other reasons (i.e. a second HDTV connected to the AVR) I route the HDMI output of the Oppo through my Yamaha RX-V867 AVR which is set to simply "pass through" video to its HDMI output, without touching it in any way. But as both Oppo and AVR have DUAL HDMI OUTPUT, I could have split the video/audio out of the Oppo and sent video-only directly from Oppo to VT50 at cleaned/upconverted 1080p via HDMI-1 for handling picture, and audio-only directly from Oppo to AVR via HDMI-2 for handling sound.

The advantage here is that I needed a BluRay/universal player anyway, and the Oppo 103 is superb in both its video and audio departments (though admittedly not the cheapest one you can buy, if price is your criteria). The "Split A/V" setup sending video out HDMI-1 (to the HDTV) and audio out HDMI-2 (to the AVR), with "noise reduction and other cleanup" along with upconversion to 1080p for my TWC/LA cable DVR occurring in the Oppo, well the picture on my 65VT50 from ALL sources now coming through the Oppo via external HDMI input or from BluRay discs themselves, the picture is just stunning.

Sure, not every cable channel looks great. But it looks MUCH BETTER going HDMI to the Oppo and processed/upconverted to 1080p by the Oppo and then going via HDMI from Oppo to the VT50, than going 720p/1080i from DVR via HDMI into my AVR and then on via HDMI to my VT50.
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Originally Posted by DSperber View Post


Sure, not every cable channel looks great. But it looks MUCH BETTER going HDMI to the Oppo and processed/upconverted to 1080p by the Oppo and then going via HDMI from Oppo to the VT50, than going 720p/1080i from DVR via HDMI into my AVR and then on via HDMI to my VT50.
Just ot clarify, I love OPPO players and I'm aware of what can be done with the latest OPPO players, but I don't see how that relates to solving sanramon94582's main questions. As I understand his questions, they are is my TV too big, and is my TV defective? I suggested restricting the Direct TV box to 1080i as a test for the TV. With that information, other choices can be made that fit sanramon94582's needs. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by sanramon94582 View Post

Yes, My Directv connects to the AVR with HDMI and AVR connected to the TV with HDMI.

I'm currently using an old Denon 2809CI that I don't think it upscales. I have a another receiver, Pioneer Elite vsx 53, which I'm gonna try that next.

I have the VSX-52. It has a the Marvel QDEO chip which was/is considered very good and definitely better than the directv box (which i also have)

After some research and nudging on this thread i go with the following:

1. directv to output native.
2. VSX-52 to upconvert and output 1080p to the TV
3. If you have the oppo then perhaps use that instead for the TV upconversion since the 103 has a superior chip.

biggest downisde with the above is that by outputting native if you do a lot of channel flipping the refresh will be a couple seconds as everything needs to refresh if you go from a 720p to a 480p then to a 1080i channel. i had some WAF issues initially, but got over it. better PQ trumped the extra second or two delay.

some channels will not look like a blu ray, it's a compressed feed so not apple to apple comparison. but 1080p on demand looks amazing and the 1080i or 720p feeds do so as well.

you should use Dnice reference settings. there are two available now. the orgiinal (which some though had too much of a red push) and then the one that MnC posted (Dnice calibrated his set). YMMV as each panel is different and nothing beats a pro calibration, but those two are considered the best plug and play models. you can get a program from Turbe called controlCal to open up other picture modes (to store more settings and make swamping between easier).

there is only a 55" version of this TV, not a 60". unless you want a 2013 model.

hope this helps.
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Originally Posted by KGB173 View Post

I have the VSX-52. It has a the Marvel QDEO chip which was/is considered very good and definitely better than the directv box (which i also have)

After some research and nudging on this thread i go with the following:

1. directv to output native.
2. VSX-52 to upconvert and output 1080p to the TV
3. If you have the oppo then perhaps use that instead for the TV upconversion since the 103 has a superior chip.

biggest downisde with the above is that by outputting native if you do a lot of channel flipping the refresh will be a couple seconds as everything needs to refresh if you go from a 720p to a 480p then to a 1080i channel. i had some WAF issues initially, but got over it. better PQ trumped the extra second or two delay.

some channels will not look like a blu ray, it's a compressed feed so not apple to apple comparison. but 1080p on demand looks amazing and the 1080i or 720p feeds do so as well.

you should use Dnice reference settings. there are two available now. the orgiinal (which some though had too much of a red push) and then the one that MnC posted (Dnice calibrated his set). YMMV as each panel is different and nothing beats a pro calibration, but those two are considered the best plug and play models. you can get a program from Turbe called controlCal to open up other picture modes (to store more settings and make swamping between easier).

there is only a 55" version of this TV, not a 60". unless you want a 2013 model.

hope this helps.

well said. Definitely look into controlcal if before wasting your time trying to input all those settings manually- will not only make it so easy but will make real comparisons of the different settings easier with the 2 extra isf modes enabled imo
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Originally Posted by sanramon94582 View Post

Yes, My Directv connects to the AVR with HDMI and AVR connected to the TV with HDMI.

I'm currently using an old Denon 2809CI that I don't think it upscales. I have a another receiver, Pioneer Elite vsx 53, which I'm gonna try that next.


there is only a 55" version of this TV, not a 60". unless you want a 2013 model.

hope this helps.
You covered more than I did, and better too. tongue.gif
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Hi guys. I'm calibrating in ISF day mode, but my FTL isn't going higher than 24. Even with contrast on 60 (EU model). How do I get more ftls?

Also: I can't seem to get my colors right. Green and Red just won't go to their happy place frown.gif
Edited by EricNL - 3/20/13 at 8:03am
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I downloaded a few HD videos to test out, but I can not see to get the TV to recognize them as 3d formats. I only get the option for 2D>3D. My laptop is hooked to my TV via HDMI. What am I doing wrong?

Nvm- figured it out. I still can't seem to take it off of 60hz though. I am getting crazy ghosting.
Edited by NickBaragona - 3/20/13 at 4:43pm
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Originally Posted by Freddyknuckles View Post

Thanks for posting these and a BIG thanks to D-Nice.
Would you happen to have night settings you would care to share too?

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Sorry, I don't have the night settings.

Sorry to beat a dead horse but I have to say your calibration settings from D-Nice are far and away the best I have used so far and that includes his original reference settings. Since you do not have the night settings, do you suppose you might be able to contact him about obtaining the night settings for your calibration?
I know I am asking a lot so If not I certainly understand if you don't want to but I am also sure I am not the only one who would love to try them out.
Cheers
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Originally Posted by Freddyknuckles View Post


Sorry to beat a dead horse but I have to say your calibration settings from D-Nice are far and away the best I have used so far and that includes his original reference settings. Since you do not have the night settings, do you suppose you might be able to contact him about obtaining the night settings for your calibration?
I know I am asking a lot so If not I certainly understand if you don't want to but I am also sure I am not the only one who would love to try them out.
Cheers

Is there really a difference in day vs night settings other than contrast ?
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