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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

Is there really a difference in day vs night settings other than contrast ?

not that I have the answer, but I honestly can just barely notice the difference on my panel between MNC's Dnice settings for day and Dnice's reference settings - and I mean like I have to switch back and forth a couple of times to even see the 'shift'.
post #1502 of 2130
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Originally Posted by pwrjnky View Post

I'm going to run the Dnice settings since I can't get chad here until June.

It's an advantage when he lives in your vicinity smile.gif You won't be disappointed he does great work
post #1503 of 2130
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

Is there really a difference in day vs night settings other than contrast ?
If you compare some of the various day/night settings that people have published you will notice sometimes there is no difference except brightness and contrast and sometimes there quite a few changes made in the other settings. Maybe that is more a product of the environment than anything else. Not sure.
And thank you for that info mo949.
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Originally Posted by Freddyknuckles View Post

If you compare some of the various day/night settings that people have published you will notice sometimes there is no difference except brightness and contrast and sometimes there quite a few changes made in the other settings. Maybe that is more a product of the environment than anything else. Not sure.
And thank you for that info mo949.

I guess mileage varys then smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Freddyknuckles View Post

If you compare some of the various day/night settings that people have published you will notice sometimes there is no difference except brightness and contrast and sometimes there quite a few changes made in the other settings. Maybe that is more a product of the environment than anything else. Not sure.
And thank you for that info mo949.

I'm sure there are other techniques, but I was told that once the CMS and gray-scale was dialed in on a Day or Night calibration, all that is needed is to adjust for ambient light with a calibration disc (WOW or many other options). That has worked for me so far. Will see what the next calibrator says.
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Some times the day mode might be calibrated to a different gamma than night mode, and occasionally they might use a different panel brightness setting, both of which would necessitate a complete redo of the 10 point and CMS adjustments.

It's possible to just change brightness and contrast after doing one mode and then have a somewhat acceptable result (you probably could keep most dEs under 3, which some would consider acceptable), but if you really want to nail down the VT50's performance, the white balance, 10 point, and CMS should all be redone for a day vs. night calibration even if gamma and PB remain the same. In other words, it's best to start from scratch.
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Originally Posted by Chad B View Post

Some times the day mode might be calibrated to a different gamma than night mode, and occasionally they might use a different panel brightness setting, both of which would necessitate a complete redo of the 10 point and CMS adjustments.

It's possible to just change brightness and contrast after doing one mode and then have a somewhat acceptable result (you probably could keep most dEs under 3, which some would consider acceptable), but if you really want to nail down the VT50's performance, the white balance, 10 point, and CMS should all be redone for a day vs. night calibration even if gamma and PB remain the same. In other words, it's best to start from scratch.

Well then you know what I want when you get here Chad!
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

Well then you know what I want when you get here Chad!
You got it! Looking forward to it. biggrin.gif
post #1509 of 2130
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

Is there really a difference in day vs night settings other than contrast ?

I like to target 2.1 gamma for my Day mode calibrations (2.3 for Night Mode).
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Originally Posted by WiFi-Spy View Post

I like to target 2.1 gamma for my Day mode calibrations (2.3 for Night Mode).

Makes sense
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Originally Posted by Chad B View Post

Some times the day mode might be calibrated to a different gamma than night mode, and occasionally they might use a different panel brightness setting, both of which would necessitate a complete redo of the 10 point and CMS adjustments.

It's possible to just change brightness and contrast after doing one mode and then have a somewhat acceptable result (you probably could keep most dEs under 3, which some would consider acceptable), but if you really want to nail down the VT50's performance, the white balance, 10 point, and CMS should all be redone for a day vs. night calibration even if gamma and PB remain the same. In other words, it's best to start from scratch.

I defer to the "master". See you next Friday smile.gif
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Originally Posted by KGB173 View Post

I have the VSX-52. It has a the Marvel QDEO chip which was/is considered very good and definitely better than the directv box (which i also have)

After some research and nudging on this thread i go with the following:

1. directv to output native.
2. VSX-52 to upconvert and output 1080p to the TV
3. If you have the oppo then perhaps use that instead for the TV upconversion since the 103 has a superior chip.

biggest downisde with the above is that by outputting native if you do a lot of channel flipping the refresh will be a couple seconds as everything needs to refresh if you go from a 720p to a 480p then to a 1080i channel. i had some WAF issues initially, but got over it. better PQ trumped the extra second or two delay.

some channels will not look like a blu ray, it's a compressed feed so not apple to apple comparison. but 1080p on demand looks amazing and the 1080i or 720p feeds do so as well.

you should use Dnice reference settings. there are two available now. the orgiinal (which some though had too much of a red push) and then the one that MnC posted (Dnice calibrated his set). YMMV as each panel is different and nothing beats a pro calibration, but those two are considered the best plug and play models. you can get a program from Turbe called controlCal to open up other picture modes (to store more settings and make swamping between easier).

there is only a 55" version of this TV, not a 60". unless you want a 2013 model.

hope this helps.
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

well said. Definitely look into controlcal if before wasting your time trying to input all those settings manually- will not only make it so easy but will make real comparisons of the different settings easier with the 2 extra isf modes enabled imo

Thanks to many of you for the informative posts!

Is there anything I need to set on my Pioneer Elite or Panasonic to make it upscale/up-convert? Or do they upscale automatically? Btw, I don't have a Oppo player.

Here's what I tried so far
- Directv set to native. Screen format to original
- Directv all resolutions are checked (480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p)
- Panasonic format set to "full"
- I even confirmed the HDMI cables are high speed. (not sure if it helps)

The result is some TV programing looks good (e.g. Discovery HD) and some don't (e.g. Big Bang Theory, news channels). By not looking good I mean

- Colors are not vibrant
- Faces seem slightly out of focus.
- Areas that suppose to have solid color looks washed
- Somewhat like photographers taking pictures with high ISO / noises
- Somewhat like putting Youtube full screen on a computer monitor.

With the same Directv and TV setting I don't notice those lack of quality on my old 50" plasma.
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Originally Posted by sanramon94582 View Post


- Colors are not vibrant
- Faces seem slightly out of focus.
- Areas that suppose to have solid color looks washed
- Somewhat like photographers taking pictures with high ISO / noises
- Somewhat like putting Youtube full screen on a computer monitor.

With the same Directv and TV setting I don't notice those lack of quality on my old 50" plasma.

I have the same complaints with Dish. some programming looks great, some doesn't. To make myself feel better I just stopped worrying about it.
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Originally Posted by robnix View Post

I have the same complaints with Dish. some programming looks great, some doesn't. To make myself feel better I just stopped worrying about it.

+1 there is little you can do about outside of purchasing a good avr, content varies greatly from program to program.
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Originally Posted by sanramon94582 View Post


Thanks to many of you for the informative posts!

Is there anything I need to set on my Pioneer Elite or Panasonic to make it upscale/up-convert? Or do they upscale automatically? Btw, I don't have a Oppo player.

Here's what I tried so far
- Directv set to native. Screen format to original
- Directv all resolutions are checked (480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p)
- Panasonic format set to "full"
- I even confirmed the HDMI cables are high speed. (not sure if it helps)

The result is some TV programing looks good (e.g. Discovery HD) and some don't (e.g. Big Bang Theory, news channels). By not looking good I mean

- Colors are not vibrant
- Faces seem slightly out of focus.
- Areas that suppose to have solid color looks washed
- Somewhat like photographers taking pictures with high ISO / noises
- Somewhat like putting Youtube full screen on a computer monitor.

With the same Directv and TV setting I don't notice those lack of quality on my old 50" plasma.

do you have the app for the VSX? much easier to control it that way. you want to set the output to 1080p so the VSX will use the Marvel QDEO chip to upscale the native signal from the directv to 1080p. Now, not everything will look good. For example, my wife loves sex and the city reruns and records them on the E channel in SD. looks like a bunch of crapola. but 720p and 1080i and 1080p channels signals look great, like you mentioned Discovery HD. the VT50 will show all the issues that your 50" plasma did not for two reason IMO. 1, it's a much better TV. 2. it's a 65" versus a 50". if you have not changed your sitting position back then you will see items that you would not have seen before.

also, on the VSX 52 there are options in the video conversion to use the PDP setting which is the Pioneer predefined settings for Plasma. Personally, I have it set there, but the optimal route would be to get a calibrator out who can do a complete calibration using the settings in MANUAL so you can set the contrast, HUE, Mosquito noise etc as needed. I can tell the difference between the PDP setting and putting them all to 0 in Manual, but that doesn't mean one is better than the other. I will probably have a pro come out at one point in the future, but for now, my wife and I are really enjoying the TV and even more so once i stopped putzing around with all the settings.
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Originally Posted by KGB173 View Post

do you have the app for the VSX? much easier to control it that way. you want to set the output to 1080p so the VSX will use the Marvel QDEO chip to upscale the native signal from the directv to 1080p. Now, not everything will look good. For example, my wife loves sex and the city reruns and records them on the E channel in SD. looks like a bunch of crapola. but 720p and 1080i and 1080p channels signals look great, like you mentioned Discovery HD. the VT50 will show all the issues that your 50" plasma did not for two reason IMO. 1, it's a much better TV. 2. it's a 65" versus a 50". if you have not changed your sitting position back then you will see items that you would not have seen before.

also, on the VSX 52 there are options in the video conversion to use the PDP setting which is the Pioneer predefined settings for Plasma. Personally, I have it set there, but the optimal route would be to get a calibrator out who can do a complete calibration using the settings in MANUAL so you can set the contrast, HUE, Mosquito noise etc as needed. I can tell the difference between the PDP setting and putting them all to 0 in Manual, but that doesn't mean one is better than the other. I will probably have a pro come out at one point in the future, but for now, my wife and I are really enjoying the TV and even more so once i stopped putzing around with all the settings.

I just downloaded the iPad iControlAV2 app and set the Pioneer receiver to output 1080p. Yes, they do look a bit better. I bought my TV through Best Buy with a free calibration and I'll update if I see any additional improvement.

I'm not setting my expectation too high with the calibration. I think I need to accept the fact that a much bigger TV will show much more flaws on TV programming. Sure Blu-Ray rocks, but unfortunately my enjoyment on TV programming is a disappointment and a step backward going from 50" to 65" TV.

I guess I now see a reason for 4k broadcast and 4k TV one day.

Btw, I first read that your wife loves sex, then realized she loves sex and the city. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by sanramon94582 View Post

I just downloaded the iPad iControlAV2 app and set the Pioneer receiver to output 1080p. Yes, they do look a bit better. I bought my TV through Best Buy with a free calibration and I'll update if I see any additional improvement.

I'm not setting my expectation too high with the calibration. I think I need to accept the fact that a much bigger TV will show much more flaws on TV programming. Sure Blu-Ray rocks, but unfortunately my enjoyment on TV programming is a disappointment and a step backward going from 50" to 65" TV.

I guess I now see a reason for 4k broadcast and 4k TV one day.

Btw, I first read that your wife loves sex, then realized she loves sex and the city. smile.gif

lol on wife comment.

be wary of the BB calibration. i am a silver member also and waived it. use the dnice settings. you can try his reference ones or the ones posted a few pages back from a user. YMMV with either but one of them should be better than anything you will find on the web and anything BB can do in a one hour calibration at your house with substandard equipment. many horror stories of BB going into the service menu and making changes that void the warranty. not worth the trouble. better to hire one of the recommended calibrators here, there are a number of them who travel and some who may be local to you.

lastly, dont forget to input the settings into each HDMI input you use. for the blu ray, have the pionneer output 1080p/24 for the blu ray input and then you can choose if you like 60hz or 96hz (i use 96).
For both:
1. Pure Cinema (Pcinema) Default: "Auto"
2. Progressive.Motion (P.Motion) Default: "0"
3.) Stream Default: "Off"
Video Adjust:(V. Adj) PDP for Plasma. this is the one that adds a few extra settings. you can do manual and set it all to zero. see if you see any difference. But you have to choose one anyway with the video conversion set to on (which is the only way to upconvert to 1080p.
All the rest of the Video Parameters I have set to "Default"

3D needs it's one setting input. if you do streaming like netflix that is another one you have to input. if you stream via DLNA I believe that is another. Turbe on here has a program called controlcal you can buy for a reasonable price that will make the above easy, or you can do it manually.
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Thank you KGB173 for being so helpful.

Separate question: Does any VT50 owner hear a small buzzing, humming fan noise from the TV? When the room is dead silence I can hear it from 13 / 15 feet away.
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Originally Posted by sanramon94582 View Post

Thank you KGB173 for being so helpful.

Separate question: Does any VT50 owner hear a small buzzing, humming fan noise from the TV? When the room is dead silence I can hear it from 13 / 15 feet away.
Plasma's do hum. It's one of their traits. To what degree varies greatly from set to set. It should certainly not be loud enough to interfere or be obtrusive from your listening position.
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I'm trying to go through the D-nice settings and don't know where to adjust CMS such as R-Hue, R-Sat, R-Lum, G-Hue, G-Sat, G-Lum...

I guess it has to do with Color mgmt off (Is that right?) but my custom mode color management is grayed out. I did a search and found the below threads but didn't seem to work for me. I went to "First Time Set Up" step 3 to select home use, but it's still grayed out.

How do I switch to home use? Where do I navigate to adjust R-Hue, R-Sat, R-Lum, G-Hue, G-Sat, G-Lum...? Thank you much!

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Originally Posted by heisman View Post

Just received this set from Amazon this afternoon. Am trying to adjust the settings based on some of the suggestions in this thread, but I can't access them (specifically color management). Does anyone know why?

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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

Did you switch to Custom mode to get to CMS?

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Originally Posted by heisman View Post

Yes, and still grayed out to the off position.

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Originally Posted by KONICA TECH View Post

Make sure you are in home use and not store Demo mode:)

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Originally Posted by heisman View Post

BAM! Thank you kindly.
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I just got my 55" VT50. Trying to do the non-pro calibration on the Disney WOW disc. If I have the "True Black" showing up as black, I can't get the "true white" to be white no matter how high I turn the contrast. If I change brightness to make "true white" and higher invisible, then I can't get the dark blacks to be invisible. Not sure what I'm missing, though this is my first stab at using a calibration disc. I'm in the Custom mode.

Also, it seems that when the entire screen is white, it appears grey, but the less white that is on the screen, the whiter it is. If I open a notepad window for example, and have it small, it is really white. If I expand it to fill the screen, it gets greyer the more I stretch the window. This also being my first Plasma, there's a lot I have to learn. Just wondering if there's an obvious setting or easy setting change I could do to make these things a little better. I don't expect professional level results, but just white whites and black blacks, and perhaps consistent whites?

I have disabled C.A.T.S., AGC, contour emphasis, and black extension.
Edited by Hastor2 - 3/23/13 at 9:38pm
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Originally Posted by sanramon94582 View Post

I'm trying to go through the D-nice settings and don't know where to adjust CMS such as R-Hue, R-Sat, R-Lum, G-Hue, G-Sat, G-Lum...

I guess it has to do with Color mgmt off (Is that right?) but my custom mode color management is grayed out. I did a search and found the below threads but didn't seem to work for me. I went to "First Time Set Up" step 3 to select home use, but it's still grayed out.

How do I switch to home use? Where do I navigate to adjust R-Hue, R-Sat, R-Lum, G-Hue, G-Sat, G-Lum...? Thank you much!




Do yourself a favor and contact Turbe about buying control cal. You can use Control Cal with the xml files posted in this thread to push the settings to your TV from your PC. Worth every penny for the convenience, makes it super easy to compare the different settings that have been posted as well.
post #1523 of 2130
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Originally Posted by robnix View Post

Do yourself a favor and contact Turbe about buying control cal. You can use Control Cal with the xml files posted in this thread to push the settings to your TV from your PC. Worth every penny for the convenience, makes it super easy to compare the different settings that have been posted as well.

+1
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Originally Posted by robnix View Post

Do yourself a favor and contact Turbe about buying control cal. You can use Control Cal with the xml files posted in this thread to push the settings to your TV from your PC. Worth every penny for the convenience, makes it super easy to compare the different settings that have been posted as well.

Couldn't agree more, that was the best purchase I've made in a long time (including buying a VT50 lol).
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post


Originally Posted by WiFi-Spy View Post

I like to target 2.1 gamma for my Day mode calibrations (2.3 for Night Mode)


Makes sense

2."odd" gamma?

i thought this set only has setting for 2."even" gamma

2.2/2.4/2.6...etc
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Originally Posted by billmich View Post

2."odd" gamma?

i thought this set only has setting for 2."even" gamma

2.2/2.4/2.6...etc

You can adjust by varying luminance with the 2p and 10p GS controls - takes a meter though....
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I just got the 65vt50 three weeks ago. Love it! Any pro calibrators recommendations for Austin? I saw Jeff is in Texas in October but I truly don't know if I can wait that long.

Also thanks to everyone on this thread! Tons of great info. Fun and educational for all
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Originally Posted by neotide View Post

I just got the 65vt50 three weeks ago. Love it! Any pro calibrators recommendations for Austin? I saw Jeff is in Texas in October but I truly don't know if I can wait that long.

Also thanks to everyone on this thread! Tons of great info. Fun and educational for all

Sonny DiFranco of Home Theatre Guru is local in Austin

Doug Weil of Clearly Resolved will be in Austin on Tour May 18 - 20.

Chad Billheimer of HDTVbyChadB will be there soon I believe (he may be in TX now, I'm not sure.

Contact info linked below in my signature
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In addition to my question above, I'm wondering if I should be concerned about my panel? It is new and has less than 100 hours on it, but I'm really surprised at the fact that I can't adjust the contrast on Disney WOW to make the white and higher stars invisible while also having the black ones invisible on the brightness test. Also concerns me that a small area of white can be very white, while a whole screen of white looks more grey. As I mentioned, expanding a white area on the screen makes the screen gradually darker. I've turned off any features that would adjust the automatically which I am aware of.

Just concerned about my set as I'm still within the return period, and wondering if its likely just settings, or if I could have an issue with the set itself. Aside from that, it looks great when watching movies or playing games unless the whole screen goes white as part of the scene. Then it looks kind of dull.

I switched from an LCD and have never had a Plasma, so there's some getting used to things I'm sure, but thought I'd at least be able to do the "advanced" calibration on Disney WOW without needing a pro.
post #1530 of 2130
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Originally Posted by Hastor2 View Post

In addition to my question above, I'm wondering if I should be concerned about my panel? It is new and has less than 100 hours on it, but I'm really surprised at the fact that I can't adjust the contrast on Disney WOW to make the white and higher stars invisible while also having the black ones invisible on the brightness test. Also concerns me that a small area of white can be very white, while a whole screen of white looks more grey. As I mentioned, expanding a white area on the screen makes the screen gradually darker. I've turned off any features that would adjust the automatically which I am aware of.

Just concerned about my set as I'm still within the return period, and wondering if its likely just settings, or if I could have an issue with the set itself. Aside from that, it looks great when watching movies or playing games unless the whole screen goes white as part of the scene. Then it looks kind of dull.

I switched from an LCD and have never had a Plasma, so there's some getting used to things I'm sure, but thought I'd at least be able to do the "advanced" calibration on Disney WOW without needing a pro.
You should not want the brighter than white stars to be invisible. You only want the blacker than black stars invisible. Please refer to the instructions that come with the WOW disc to understand how to use the patterns on that disc.
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