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post #211 of 1782
7/15/12 at 9:09am
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I used this and had to set my sharpness to +23 .

The difference in Blu-ray players can affect sharpness setting as well, not to mention colors.
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post #212 of 1782
7/15/12 at 9:49am
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The difference in Blu-ray players can affect sharpness setting as well, not to mention colors.
I used the BDP-83 with all of its picture settings at 0 and whats interesting is the Spears & Munsil showed +16 as being the proper setting.
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post #213 of 1782
7/15/12 at 12:32pm
My ps3 would clip red, but my new sony bdp doesn't. Another example of players being different.
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post #214 of 1782
7/15/12 at 11:49pm
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

ss,
How are you going about matching (or for that matter, even adjusting) the lum levels?

I guess you are talking about the Lum levels for CMS,

1. I do a gray scale calibration.
2. Do a primary (R,G,B) working the RGB (+-) using the saturation control for the RGB, to bring the primary's around 3%. Most of the time I spend is doing this step to bring the Lum levels under control.
2. Go back into gray scale and touch-up.
3. Go back to CMS and set the secondary's (C,M,Y) using hue control, bring them down below 2 1/2% and also match all the levels. However you may have to use the saturation control for magenta. Then work the primary's and secondary's as close as I can to there respected positions, match all levels and tweak primary's, lowering error levels.
4. Go back and tweak the gray scale.

Its a good Idea to keep checking your 75% white level also.

I use delta 76, but using delta 94 is fine also and probably show even better charts.

ss
Edited by sillysally - 7/16/12 at 12:06am
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post #215 of 1782
7/17/12 at 12:03am
Getting access to ISFccc settings

I am considering to buy a VT50 and calibrate it. I am using a eye1display2 and Chromapure and/or HCFR.
Despite reading through all the posts here, I am not quite sure how to get access to the VT50 ISFccc settings and if there is an alternative.
Do I need special software to access the ISFccc, and if yes, which ones?

Or as an alternative, if I cannot access ISFccc settings, can I use the "Custom" picture mode and calibrate it for ISFccc day viewing, and calibrate the THX picture mode to achieve ISFccc night ?
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post #216 of 1782
7/17/12 at 4:04am
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Originally Posted by turboman123 View Post

Getting access to ISFccc settings
I am considering to buy a VT50 and calibrate it. I am using a eye1display2 and Chromapure and/or HCFR.
Despite reading through all the posts here, I am not quite sure how to get access to the VT50 ISFccc settings and if there is an alternative.
Do I need special software to access the ISFccc, and if yes, which ones?
Or as an alternative, if I cannot access ISFccc settings, can I use the "Custom" picture mode and calibrate it for ISFccc day viewing, and calibrate the THX picture mode to achieve ISFccc night ?

You can use the "Custom" picture mode and use a single set of settings in other words, you wouldn't have seperate "day" and "night" memory slots. The biggest problem with using "Custom" is that you have to drill down to the settings, make your change and then exit each time. It doesn't allow you to move to the next setting without moving up one level (at least). It also times out and returns to the previous level which displays the large menu screen which then screws up your readings.

Many of us are using "ControlCal" software which after using it a little makes you appreciate spending your time getting your settings right rather than entering and exiting menus. ControlCal also turns on the ISF day and night memories for each input. The software allows you to upload setting to each input without you having to re enter everything.

The other concern you should have is what are you going to use to generate your pattern. Some of us use a signal generator, others use a DVD player. If you choose to go with the DVD player, make sure that it's reference. You also have the issue that if you are using a cable box that outputs 422, then you want to have your DVD player output 422 for your calibration.
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post #217 of 1782
7/17/12 at 4:10am
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

You can use the "Custom" picture mode and use a single set of settings in other words, you wouldn't have seperate "day" and "night" memory slots. The biggest problem with using "Custom" is that you have to drill down to the settings, make your change and then exit each time. It doesn't allow you to move to the next setting without moving up one level (at least). It also times out and returns to the previous level which displays the large menu screen which then screws up your readings.
Many of us are using "ControlCal" software which after using it a little makes you appreciate spending your time getting your settings right rather than entering and exiting menus. ControlCal also turns on the ISF day and night memories for each input. The software allows you to upload setting to each input without you having to re enter everything.
The other concern you should have is what are you going to use to generate your pattern. Some of us use a signal generator, others use a DVD player. If you choose to go with the DVD player, make sure that it's reference. You also have the issue that if you are using a cable box that outputs 422, then you want to have your DVD player output 422 for your calibration.

+1 for ControlCal. Turbe (the sole developer) is a great guy, and makes a pretty handy tool. Its only significant flaw is that it would be awesome if it could interface with every television on the planet.... but that's up to TV makers smile.gif. Anyway, well worth the asking price.

http://www.controlcal.com/ and/or PM Turbe.
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post #218 of 1782
7/17/12 at 5:05am
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Many of us are using "ControlCal" software which after using it a little makes you appreciate spending your time getting your settings right rather than entering and exiting menus. ControlCal also turns on the ISF day and night memories for each input. The software allows you to upload setting to each input without you having to re enter everything.
Thanks for the reply.
Besides ControlCal, are there other ways/programs to acces the ISF setting?
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

The other concern you should have is what are you going to use to generate your pattern. Some of us use a signal generator, others use a DVD player. If you choose to go with the DVD player, make sure that it's reference. You also have the issue that if you are using a cable box that outputs 422, then you want to have your DVD player output 422 for your calibration.
I dont quite understand about the cable box and DVD player (I do understand 422 more or less). Could you explain a bit more please. Thanks.
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post #219 of 1782
7/17/12 at 5:21am
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Originally Posted by turboman123 View Post

Thanks for the reply.
Besides ControlCal, are there other ways/programs to acces the ISF setting?
I dont quite understand about the cable box and DVD player (I do understand 422 more or less). Could you explain a bit more please. Thanks.

CalMAN will also access the ISF modes. As to your question about using the Custom mode, if you calibrate Warm 2 in the service menu then you can use the THX mode as a night mode. Just adjust your contrast and brightness for the Night mode and calibrate in the service menu. You can then go into Custom mode and set your contrast and brightness for the Day mode and then calibrate the Custom mode.
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post #220 of 1782
7/17/12 at 10:12am
@TopperMcFly

Hi, I hope you can help me. I wanted to duplicate your settings onto my 65tv50. But I have the european Version, so my ranges are different:

Contrast 0-60
Brightness 0-30
Color 0-60
Sharpness 0-10

It would be awesome if you could help me... THX
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post #221 of 1782
7/17/12 at 10:51am
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Originally Posted by turboman123 View Post

Getting access to ISFccc settings
I am considering to buy a VT50 and calibrate it. I am using a eye1display2 and Chromapure and/or HCFR.
Despite reading through all the posts here, I am not quite sure how to get access to the VT50 ISFccc settings and if there is an alternative.
Do I need special software to access the ISFccc, and if yes, which ones?
Or as an alternative, if I cannot access ISFccc settings, can I use the "Custom" picture mode and calibrate it for ISFccc day viewing, and calibrate the THX picture mode to achieve ISFccc night ?
Be wary of possible drift on that meter, unless you can somehow profile it to a more accurate meter like a spectro. The display2/lt has been known to drift after 1-2 years due to the exposed filters, and because this model hasn't been made in a few years, pretty much any display2/lt nowadays are inaccurate from drift/deterioration unless it has been re-calibrated. You might be better off just using THX mode or buying a new meter. The i1display 3/pro is the successor of the display 2 and is better designed to last longer (sealed optics) and is more accurate. The ColorMunki Display is apparently the same sensor as the i1display pro and is a little cheaper but is slower at making measurements, however it's currently not supported by chromapure or calman AFAIK, only HCFR.
Edited by rahzel - 7/17/12 at 11:01am
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post #222 of 1782
7/17/12 at 8:07pm
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Originally Posted by wmwilker View Post

CalMAN will also access the ISF modes. As to your question about using the Custom mode, if you calibrate Warm 2 in the service menu then you can use the THX mode as a night mode. Just adjust your contrast and brightness for the Night mode and calibrate in the service menu. You can then go into Custom mode and set your contrast and brightness for the Day mode and then calibrate the Custom mode.
hello Mike,
Thanks for the info. How to get into the service menu of the VT50? Is this risky for messing things up?
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post #223 of 1782
7/18/12 at 5:14am
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Originally Posted by turboman123 View Post

hello Mike,
Thanks for the info. How to get into the service menu of the VT50? Is this risky for messing things up?

It is very risky if you don't know what you're doing. There is a thread on High Def Junkies on how to get into the service menu. You will probably have to join if you're not already a member but it's free and can be a good resource.
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post #224 of 1782
7/19/12 at 6:27am
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Originally Posted by private Angus View Post

@TopperMcFly
Hi, I hope you can help me. I wanted to duplicate your settings onto my 65tv50. But I have the european Version, so my ranges are different:
Contrast 0-60
Brightness 0-30
Color 0-60
Sharpness 0-10
It would be awesome if you could help me... THX

+1

Beats me why Pana thought they had to be clever and make the config layout diffrent from the Americas version... Maybe they think we, the ****** farmers from Europe, are not able to count to 100 or something? biggrin.gif
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post #225 of 1782
7/19/12 at 7:27am
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Originally Posted by coiken View Post

+1
Beats me why Pana thought they had to be clever and make the config layout diffrent from the Americas version... Maybe they think we, the ****** farmers from Europe, are not able to count to 100 or something? biggrin.gif

O-60, 0-30, etc, is the correct way to do it. The US version is a subtle international plot to convert the States to the decimal system. wink.gif
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post #226 of 1782
7/19/12 at 8:27am
The development teams/code bases are not unified. To add to the confusion, the UK models have different ranges from the Europe models on a few key Controls.
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post #227 of 1782
7/19/12 at 6:39pm
Everybody please forgive me if this question has been aswered multiple times before but I was curious how one would set the vt50 and xbox360 for proper video output/color space. Thank you in advance to anyone who might help.
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post #228 of 1782
7/19/12 at 7:55pm
Has anyone seen calibration reports for the VT50, with measurements of the gamut at lower saturation? I have seen recent reviews from David Mackenzie where he was doing that, but his VT50 review did not include it yet.
New Calman version(beta?) is giving the possibility to do that.
Reason I am asking is that last year, I owned a top of the range Sharp LED which was THX certified. I could calibrate the gamut at 100% saturation perfectly, but less than 100% saturation was a horror show. I could not believe a THX certified TV could show such bad measurements.
So before pulling the trigger on a VT50, I wanted to check on that. Can someone show measurements, or refer to another website.
(If references to other websites are not allowed here, pls PM me)
Edited by turboman123 - 7/19/12 at 9:17pm
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post #229 of 1782
7/19/12 at 8:08pm
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Originally Posted by turboman123 View Post

Has anyone seen calibration reports for the VT50, with measurements of the gamut at lower saturation? I have seen recent reviews from David Mackenzie where he was doing that, but his VT50 review did not include it yet.
New Calman version(beta?) is giving the possibility to do that.
Reason I am asking is that last year, I owed a top of the range Sharp LED which was THX certified. I could calibrate the gamut at 100% saturation perfectly, but less than 100% saturation was a horror show. I could not believe a THX certified TV could show such bad measurements.
So before pulling the trigger on a VT50, I wanted to check on that. Can someone show measurements, or refer to another website.
(If references to other websites are not allowed here, pls PM me)

The ability has been in ChromaPure for awhile now. This is an Advanced Report of my 65VT50 calibrated at 75% saturation. 75% is not right on because I adjusted to make all points as low an average dE as possible.

AdvancedColorManagementReport ISF Day June 1ReducedSize.pdf 370k .pdf file
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post #230 of 1782
7/19/12 at 8:17pm
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

The ability has been in ChromaPure for awhile now. This is an Advanced Report of my 65VT50 calibrated at 75% saturation. 75% is not right on because I adjusted to make all points as low an average dE as possible.
AdvancedColorManagementReport ISF Day June 1ReducedSize.pdf 370k .pdf file

Hey Buzz, thanks a lot for the reply.
That looks fantastic!!
I made my measurements last year, also with Chromapure, but an older version then and it could not show Luminance deviations at lower saturation yet.
Since when does Chromapure have this capability?

This is my measurement of the Sharp in THX mode, not calibrated.
The 100% saturation gamut is not too bad. But look at the lower saturations!!
This was a top of the line model in 2011. I see you are THX certified. How can THX give certifications for such lousy performance? THX-Origina.pdf 29k .pdf file
I discussed this at that time in this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1273038/calibrating-a-display-with-undersaturated-primaries
Edited by turboman123 - 7/19/12 at 9:04pm
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post #231 of 1782
7/20/12 at 12:09am
In my 55VT50's (euro) media player mode , when watching MKVs from USB, I cannot see the advanced picture settings, only 3 modes are available. No thx mode, to pro1 mode ! eek.gif Is it me that is doing something wrong or are advanced settings not available in the media player????
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post #232 of 1782
7/20/12 at 5:48am
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Originally Posted by turboman123 View Post


I made my measurements last year, also with Chromapure, but an older version then and it could not show Luminance deviations at lower saturation yet.
Since when does Chromapure have this capability?
This is my measurement of the Sharp in THX mode, not calibrated.
The 100% saturation gamut is not too bad. But look at the lower saturations!!
This was a top of the line model in 2011. I see you are THX certified. How can THX give certifications for such lousy performance? THX-Origina.pdf 29k .pdf file
I discussed this at that time in this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1273038/calibrating-a-display-with-undersaturated-primaries

The ChromaPure Advanced Color Management module was released with V2 in September, 2010 although it was buggy. I initially calibrate at 100% saturation and have made it a habit to check 25, 50, and 75% afterwards. If the tracking is too far off I recalibrate using the 75% Rec.709 option in Color Management, recheck all levels in Advanced, and adjust as necessary to get the lowest average dE for all levels. If some 100% saturation has to be sacrificed in the process so be it. How much content is at 100% anyway?

I'm a THX Level II Certified Calibrator but beyond that I have no association and know little about THX Certification for consumer electronic goods.The THX modes in all displays are "okay" but subject to the spec differences in electronic components. Many $25,000 studio monitors with military spec parts are calibrated often as well because of drifting. Some studios/post houses use 3D LUT calbration as often as weekly. I know, overboard, but if you want to be as accurate as possible....
Edited by buzzard767 - 7/20/12 at 7:57pm
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post #233 of 1782
7/20/12 at 11:18am
Could a US User please post the Ranges of the picture setting (e.g. contrast)... Thanks a lot !!
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post #234 of 1782
7/20/12 at 11:26am
You cannot duplicate the NA settings on models in Europe / UK which don't have the Panel Brightness control like the NA models do.
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post #235 of 1782
7/20/12 at 11:27am
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Could a US User please post the Ranges of the picture setting (e.g. contrast)... Thanks a lot !!

All 0-100 except Tint -50 to +50
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post #236 of 1782
7/20/12 at 7:21pm
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The ChromaPure Advanced Color Management module was released with V2 in September, 2010 although it was buggy.How much content is at 100% anyway?
I also used V2 in Sep2010 and had some emails with Tom about the bugs. I have been thinking the same as you: how much content is 100% saturation anyway?
But for me a question is: when we calibrate at different saturation levels, at what Luminance should we calibrate? I saw this interesting thread about average APL:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1414313/better-to-have-2-2-gamma-or-stable-2-3-gamma-on-a-plasma/60
Average APL was 20-25%. So then, should we also calibrate gamut/saturation at 25% Luminance, and not just at 75% or 100% Luminance? (btw: at what Luminance do you do your saturation tracking?)
To give dues to the guy who made me aware of saturation tracking: it was stereomandan.
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

The Elite can't even be adjusted with an external video processor so it must be fed information for thousands of points instead of a handful.
I read comments about the colour problems on the Elite. But I have not seen calibration reports showing it. Do you know a link whare I can see such a calibration report?

(Buzz: these remarks and questions do not actually belong in a VT50 thread. If you prefer not to continue this discussion in a VT50 thread, I would be glad if you could send me a PM)
Edited by turboman123 - 7/20/12 at 7:26pm
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post #237 of 1782
7/20/12 at 8:20pm
FWIW deleted my Sharp info in my previous post. To answer your question, I've seen reports but don't recall where. The problem is color tracking.

Regarding luminance levels for calibrating sub 100% saturation levels for plasmas, I doubt values less than 75% would work with some meters because they might have trouble measuring the Y of Blue.
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post #238 of 1782
7/20/12 at 9:49pm
Topper - thank you for posting the settings; they are simply superb and turned my initial disappointment with out of the box settings to delight. Still tweaking a little as I'm coming from a 6 year old Samsung plasma that while the picture was great, was probably a little too birght and colorful. The items I'm looking at are changing the gamma between 2.2 and the 2.4 you recommend, increasing panel brightness to high from med, and increasing color from 50 to approx 60. Testing all independent of one another and continuing to revert to your settings.

Very interested for morning to arrive so I can see these settings in daylight. Also looking forward to the Open Championship and F1 qualifying - both should look stunning.

Edit - leaving panel brightness as "med" as high looks pretty bad with DirecTV
Edited by PhilH930 - 7/20/12 at 10:02pm
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post #239 of 1782
7/21/12 at 3:53am
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FWIW deleted my Sharp info in my previous post. To answer your question, I've seen reports but don't recall where. The problem is color tracking.

I looked at the video on color tracking at the 2012 valuelectronics shootout.
http://www.*********************/
In the video, the color tracking of the Sharp Elite looks like the calibration I made in 2010 on a different Sharp model LC-52LV3 (Japanese top model; I was living in Japan at that time):
THX-Original.pdf 29k .pdf file
What I saw on the video, was like what I measured in 2010 on the Sharp LC-52LV3:
- 75% or 80% saturation of yellow and green was measured lower at 60% or 50%
- the hue of cyan and blue at around 75% saturation shows a strong deviation, even though hue at 100% saturation was OK.

Sorry for going on about this in a VT50 thread. But I posted these findings as an amateur (Forumname Baets) in 2010 without getting much acceptance, and now in the 2012 shootout the experts present it as a big discovery with the aid of a new Calman version.
Finally I feel somehow vindicated.

Coming back to the VT50: pay attention to the color tracking measurements from Buzz, because I think it is important and shows how good the VT50 is, and how bad other panels can be.
Edited by turboman123 - 7/21/12 at 9:08pm
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post #240 of 1782
7/23/12 at 11:20am
Hey guys,

I actually had Geek Squad come out and calibrate my 65" VT50. I know probably a mistake but I took advantage of them offering a free calibration so I thought there was nothing to lose. The guy came out and only calibrated the settings in the service menu for the custom setting. He did not touch anything in the actual menu. He showed my the readings on his laptop which showed that he got it as close to 6500K as possible except for on the lowest IRE's. After he left I put in a calibration blu-ray and on the black level tests, the blacks have a brown/reddish tint to them. This even happens in the THX modes. Did he completely screw up the tv and if so can I get back into the service menu and reset what he did? Thanks in advance.
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